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October 17, 2011

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Annoying Old Guy

I am sure CNN thinks all of those GOP minds were looted from the deserving poor out with OWS. After all, there's clearly a shortage there.

Jane

We are all a bunch of ABO-ers. WE have made up our minds that much.

Texas Mom 2012

And a lot of us are in the NOT ROMNEY camp as well...

PD

Speaking of polling, here's one that suggests OWS is a FAIL.

Poll: Washington to blame more than Wall Street for economy

Asked whom they blame more for the economic situation, 64% named Washington, and only 30% named Wall Street.

Clarice

Get out th e big butterfly net, guys, the Pres is moving into Capt Queeg territory:

From The Hill


President Obama is against repealing the health law's long-term care CLASS Act and might veto Republican efforts to do so, an administration official tells The Hill, despite the government's announcement Friday that the program was dead in the water.

"We do not support repeal," the official said Monday. "Repealing the CLASS Act isn't necessary or productive. What we should be doing is working together to address the long-term care challenges we face in this country."

Porchlight

Things seem to me to be settling into:

1) Like Romney or can live with him
2) No Romney, no way nohow, but unsure about which non-Romney candidate can make the grade

centralcal

We're on the same page, Clarice. I posted that headline at 2:40 PM on another thread with the parenthetical notation that Zero is certifiably nuts! lol.

Butterfly nets, Captain Queeg, nutso-whacko . . . he is entering into lunatic territory.

Jack is Back!

If Obama is Queeg then who is Doc? It would have to be someone in his own regime to be true to the story. Lot of Clintonistas in the regime but I am not aware of any of them being real close, close enough to steal the strawberries, that is.

narciso

Someone clearly moved the strawberries, sigh, I feel the same way. Porchlight, Perry has proved uninspiring, Cain if he can channel the same attitude he had in his column, he could really catch fire.

Jack is Back!

Hey, I just thought of something: The Cain(e) Mutiny:)

DebinNC

I like it, JiB. Other movie titles...

The Cain(e) Mutiny
HurriCain(e)
The Good Herman

Clarice

CC, of course we're on the same page.
I like the Cain(e) Mutiny, too. It covers a lot:The public liking of him, the rise of a man unpackaged by the pros, the popularity of someone the Duke & Duke crowd didn't want..

franke

I want Bachmann - but we need Romney. Cain is too "undisciplined" (he speaks his mind unfiltered). He'll be apologizing and clarifying off the cuff remarks that if he were a Dem wouldn't be an issue the whole time. And he has NO political experience.

Romney is disciplined (sometimes painfully so), experienced, and as polished as Obama in front of a microphone.

Plus, he seems to realize his past immigration and health care mistakes...

centralcal

Sorry, franke - we do not NEED Romney. We might end up having to settle for him, sad to say.

Jane

We sure as hell do not need romney!

macphisto

"C'mon, how high were they?"

[Johnny Carson] they were SO high that they could see Michelle Obama from their house![/Johnny]

HI-YOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Jack is Back!

Give Pizza A Chance. Imagine.

Gives the X Factor a new meaning!

Well, I can imagine him in the West Wing without his feet up on the desk and knowing where the doors are while at the same time saving his country with a smile on his face and his wife minding the family and not the lunch rooms of America.

DebinNC

It's astonishing that Perry with his Texas record and $15 million seems to be the forgotten man. Tomorrow night's foreign policy debate will be pivotal. If Cain stumbles as many here seem to expect, I hope Perry does really well. Santorum may have a chance to shine, which would be fine with me too.

DebinNC

Loved that video, Jack is Back!! Herman Cain exudes joy of an "I like me, and I like you too" sort. Obama is an "I love me, and I don't want you within 10 feet of me" sort,

Clarice

JiB, that tape is fantastic..Shows off his great voice, sense of humor and creativity..

Sue

But he won't support Perry, the chairman of the Republican Governor's Association and governor of the great State of Texas for the past 12 years. But he will support Romney.

Sue

Heck, he'll even graciously agree to be Romney's VP but not Perry's.

Jim Miller

Off topic, but probably of interest to most here:

Karl Rove will be the featured speaker at the Washington state Republican dinner tomorrow night -- and Joe Wilson, yes, that Joe Wilson, will be picketing him.

I can't recall any other times when one party sponsored a demonstration against another party's fund raising dinner, though I suppose that it must have happened before, maybe during the Civil War.

centralcal

Sue - that stance by Cain re: Perry, is deeply troubling.

centralcal

Jim: Last time I saw photos of Joe Wilson he was bordering on obese. This picketing business might be pretty tiring for a man of his girth!

Sue

It is troubling to me. He can say he doesn't agree with Perry's stance on immigration, he can say he doesn't think Perry is this or that, but to flat out say he could support any of them but Perry just turns me off. Perry might be a poor campaigner, but he is the governor of Texas. I think Cain has made a deal with Romney.

Sue

At this point in time, I'll be supporting Perry until he has to face the inevitable and then I'll support Romney. I don't think I'll be supporting Cain.

Sue

I also think Cain says stuff today that tomorrow might be a joke.

Sue

At this point in time, I'll be supporting Perry until he has to face the inevitable and then I'll support Romney.

Which is what I did last time, come to think of it. I supported Thompson until he flatlined. Romney was my 2nd choice after him. McCain and Huckabee were never my choice, but I held my nose and voted for McCain. I'll do the same for Cain if he is the nominee, but I don't think I like him as much as you guys seem to.

Sue

Perry may have already flatlined. Hot Air has a poll that has him down to 3% in Florida. ::sigh::

DebinNC

I don't think I like him as much as you guys seem to.

I know you're disappointed in how Perry has fared. I am too, but he can still turn it around. So far though, he doesn't seem to have his heart in it.

Barbara

Cain impressed me in the Fox News debate with his answer to the question concerning which of the candidates he would pick for his running mate. Newt said the question was a game and he wouldn't play. Most of the candidates pretty much said the same thing except Perry who chose a combination of Newt and Cain. This is what Cain said:

"This is a game, and it is hypothetical. I'll play the game. If Governor Romney would throw out his jobs/ growth plan and replace it with 9-9-9, he has a shot. If he does not, I would probably go with Speaker Gingrich, who I have the greatest admiration for, in all seriousness, because of his history and his depth of knowledge. I could go on because I have respect for everybody up here, but it's a game."

When Cain said, "I'll play the game" with such a confident, polite-but-firm attitude, I sat up and paid attention. It's a small detail I know, but I really admired him for that. I'm still not confident that Cain could win the general election and am unsure about how he would handle foreign policy issues, but it's early days yet.

What he, and to a certain extent Gingrich, are doing is changing the way that candidates deal with the press and the inane dialog that permeates the primary process. Cain is refreshing in a way that is reminiscent of Ronald Reagan. Not bad company, that.

Clarice

I read somewhere that Americans tend to vote for President someone most unlike the present officeholder. If we see Obama as a lying airhead, Cain with his practical, quite knowledgable and straightforward responses seems to be a nice refreshing change.

If we see Obama as a metrosexual who simply mouths faculty lounge nonsense without understanding, Cain with his down to earth, very deep understanding of many things--like the Fed and the economy --is a nice refreshing change.

If we see Obama as a man who doesn't understand the first thing about business, taxes, insurance,Cain is a nice refreshing change.

Danube of Thought

Nice to see this old fool publicly humiliated.

Janet

I don't think I like him as much as you guys seem to.

Same for me, Sue. I'm feeling manipulated by the MFM again. Have there been ANY positive Perry articles in the MFM? ANY? Perry gets press, but only negative "he is a disappointment" press. I don't know.

Jane's You Too post & link about Joshua Booth really got to me today...I'm pretty disgusted with politics & politicians. The men in the arena vs. political actors. Lady Gaga singing to Clinton, Obama adoration...it is sickening to me.

narciso

Mika proves 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree':


http://moonbattery.com/?p=3398

Clarice

He is a nasty crackpot, narciso, and that remark proves it. But don't forget when people talk about foreign policy "experts' that fruitcake and others like him are considered by the bien pensants to be one.

Rick Ballard

Let's see if the MFM pimps give Cain a free pass tomorrow. The current Dem/MFM strategy appears to be to pump up Cain in order to split off Perry supporters and make the Model T1000 Top Man the GOP candidate. The moment he's the candidate, the cult bit gets a huge trumpet blast that will last until the general.

That's not bad strategy but the amount of initial support for Cain may have them checking their hole cards. I just don't see the T1000 making the connection. This is no country for oligarchs at the moment.

Danube of Thought

The unionized public sector always gets first dibs:

"Senate Democrats will try to move a component of President Obama's $447 billion bill -- $35 billion in aid to state and local governments to rehire or retain teachers and first responders -- as early as this week, disappointing Republicans who say another piece of the apple would've had a better chance for success. 'Our economy cannot afford to lose any more jobs,' Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Monday, vowing to hold a vote 'as soon as possible,' and promising one provision per week when Congress is in session."

centralcal

I am not ready to cede Perry. Remember how far down and out McCain was during his early pre-Primary days.

Janet is correct - all the MFM reportage - significantly on our side - has been very negative about Perry.

Like Sue, I was a Thompson supporter and felt really depressed that he just couldn't seem to ignite.

What will be, will be.

Pops

Perry screwed up big time. Everyone thought he was the real conservative and couldn't wait for him to get in.

Then he started out talking just like a liberal. He gets to decide what drugs to give your children,. I'm heartless if I won't support subsidizing illegal aliens education.

He simply can't fix those mistakes.

People accept Romney for who he is, but they don't accept Perry because he isn't who he pretends to be.

Barbara
The current Dem/MFM strategy appears to be to pump up Cain in order to split off Perry supporters and make the Model T1000 Top Man the GOP candidate.

I agree, Rick, although I must say that Perry's mixed performance in the debates so far is making their job easier than one would have expected. When Perry entered the race, he soared to the top. As his debate performances fizzled, people looked elsewhere for a candidate - first Sarah then Christie. Cain has filled that spot for now.

All of this tells that me that the voters are still searching. They want a candidate that they can comfortably back, and they are not happy with Romney. As of this moment, Cain is in the spotlight, but I don't think that it means he's been anointed. Not yet anyway.

MarkO

I don't think I've mentioned this before, but as I heard Obama say that his bill would put people back to work, "right now, right now," i remembered that he is a liar.

narciso

Maybe this LUN will work, seriously:

peter

Model T-1000? that was a Pontiac Chevette. Maybe there was something to Obama killing off Pontiac. LUN

Janet

This is funny - OWS video "I need attention"

Jack is Back!

Regarding the fall of Perry (who I like) and the rise of Cain (who I also like), perception in politics is reality of the first order. There is not enough time, energy or even money to cover all of the ifs, buts, ands, whats, who's and where's in a candidates life and decisions. You are dealing with a public that is either working, cleaning the house, at soccer practice or watching ESPN. When you get a chance to make an impression whether in a Bloomberg debate or on The View, you take it, make the best and move on to the Daily Show or O'Reilly or MTP.

And in presidential campaigns especially at the nominating and primary levels there is only so much time in the day. You have now 5 states in play - Iowa, NH, SC, NV and FL - that need attention or inattention depending on the staff and the money you have. You don't have the bully pulpit, AF One and a compliant press corps. You don't have a message that is as photogenic and controversial as OWS [the press wants blood not a discussion on 999].

You need to do something that keeps you front and center. Cain, because he is a newbie without baggage politically, can do that by singing a'capello The Impossible Dream or propose a total revamp of the federal income tax system [something even the crazy uncle in the attic, Dr. Paul hasn't even proposed]. He has what is called in the game, traction. And he has it with a staff of 3 or 4, a publisher who is bankrolling his campaign in a way and a press looking for the possible juicy event of one black guy running against a half-black guy.

Man, won't that sell papers. Hell even Pinch is hoping for something that dramatic in a country just now dedicating a chinese statute to the icon of civil rights. The essayists, polemicists and philosophers will be wetting themselves.

Romney, even with his Mormonism, doesn't even come close to that dynamic.

bolitha

I think your Leader has spoken which is fine with me.

Gmax

To backstop PD's poll upthread at 3:52 I note that THE HILL has a very similar poll out today with the same finding. Here is the key graphs:

In the minds of likely voters, Washington, not Wall Street, is primarily to blame for the financial crisis and the subsequent recession.

That is the key finding of this week’s The Hill poll, which comes as the national Occupy Wall Street movement — a protest that objects to risky practices and excessive salaries at major banks, along with American income disparities in general — enters its second month.

The movement appears to have struck a chord with progressive voters, but it does not seem to represent the feelings of the wider public.

The Hill poll found that only one in three likely voters blames Wall Street for the country’s financial troubles, whereas more than half — 56 percent — blame Washington.

Moreover, when it comes to the political consequences of the protest, voters tend to believe that there are more perils than positives for Obama and the Democrats.

If you want a hoot go over to the Hill and when you find the article on this poll go to the comments. The moonbats are dismissing it because in their minds THE HILL is a rethuglican pollinf firm! Denial runs deep with these progs...

glasater

I hope JMH wanders by and checks out this link:

Will Romney hire Obama’s climate-change guru Holdren?

From Hot Air -- which I know many here read on a regular basis:

...the Romney administration in 2005 essentially did what Barack Obama’s EPA wants to do now. He imposed CO2 emission caps — the “toughest in the nation” — in an effort to curtail traditional energy production. Not only did Romney impose these costly new regulations, he then imposed price caps to keep power companies from passing the cost along to the consumer. As we have seen in RomneyCare, regulation and price controls eventually drive businesses into bankruptcy or relocation.

So what has happened to Massachusetts’ electrical production since signing these regulations into law? According to the EIA, whose latest data is for 2009, it dropped 18% in four years, from over 46 billion megawatt hours to 38 billion. International imports, however, went from 697 million megawatt hours in 2006 to 4.177 billion megawatt hours two years later, and to almost 5 billion megawatt hours in 2009, more than twice the amount imported in any of the previous twenty years.

And who advised Romney on these regulations? Why, none other than Obama’s chief science adviser, John Holdren...


This is frightening.

Jack is Back!

Romney = Cap & Trade
Cain = TARP
Perry = Form of DREAM act

Now ask yourself the simple question on a NPV (net present value) basis - which one of these costs the most to the economy of the USA?

maryrose

bolitha:
Are you still on the leader kick? I thought we resolved that weeks ago.
I think it is too early in the game for a definitive nominee. Remember the dems dragged out their primaries until June giving repubs less time to nail Obama.The dems also timed the economic meltdown for a September surprise.

Jane

Janet,

Debra Booth made me happy. I loved meeting her. I loved hearing about Josh. I can't explain it - she gave me faith in this country.

Gmax

Kevin Williamson at NRO is spending a great amout of time down around OWS. What does he find, well this:

Almost every organization present at OWS is explicitly communist or socialist. Almost every piece of literature being handed out is explicitly communist or socialist. I don’t mean half, and I don’t mean the overwhelming majority — I mean almost all of it. Yes, there are the usual union goons trying to figure out how to get OWS to do the bidding of the AFL-CIO and the Democratic party, and the usual smattering of New Age goo (the “Free Empathy” table) and po-mo Left wackiness (animal-rights nuts), the inevitable Let’s-Eradicate-Israel crowd (“Free Palestine, from the river to the sea!”). But, that being said, almost every organized enterprise and piece of printed material I have encountered has been socialist or communist. It’s been a long time since I saw anybody peddling books by Lenin. It’s been a long time since anybody told me the Ukrainians had it coming.

And Zero is throwing in with them, like he did early on with Hugo Chavez. HMMMMMMM

Rick Ballard

Projected TARP costs as of March per CBO. $19 billion.

Cap & Trade was not enacted but was to serve as a form of totalitarian regressive tax sufficient to support the oligarchy and the welfare state. The cost will be somewhat higher than $19 billion.

Danube of Thought

"The dems also timed the economic meltdown for a September surprise."

And just how did they do that?

Gmax

And for the Trifecta I note this cheerful note in another poll:

Republicans seem far more excited to vote in next year's presidential elections than Democrats are, suggesting the same sort of enthusiasm gap that pushed the GOP to big gains in the 2010 elections.

The numbers were part of the latest CNN-ORC International poll that found 62 percent of self-identified Republicans were extremely or very enthusiastic about voting for president, while only 48 percent of Democrats said the same thing.

Its going to be another tidal wave. Bye bye moonbats.

Clarice

Gmax, I think O has misread the OWS and believes his union friends have succeeded or will succeed in coopting the leadership to his ends.

maryrose

DOT:
Read "too Big To Fail" and :The Big Short"
Little Timmy Geithner was up to his eyeballs in the dumping of Lehman and the saving of others.Merrill and J.P. Morgan were given a pass. Bernanke and Paulson equally guilty.Had the acted in a more judicious way and faster it could have been averted. Advantage: dems.

Jack is Back!

I read on The Blaze that Soros and his myriad of snake oil companies are buying up ammo and gun manufacturers left and right. One being Remington, which I have a hard time believing. I am NRA and haven't read anything like that lately. Anyone know if this is accurate? If it is, we are in deep too-doo.

Danube of Thought

""C'mon, how high were they?"

[Johnny Carson]: "Thet were so high, the Tidy-Bowl Man had to send up a flare to get their attention."

Hiyooooh!

Janet

Gmax, these same people were at the anti-war marches in DC in 2003 when I first got engaged with politics. I found my notes the other day where I had looked up A.N.S.W.E.R., United for Peace & Justice, all kinds of pro-Palestinian groups...I had never realized that the same old groups show up for all these protests.
Leftist flotsam rent-a-mobs.
Where is the Glenn Beck show to expose the roots & major players in these organizations to the general public?...Oh yeah, they got rid of him cause he is a kook.

pagar

"Almost every organization present at OWS is explicitly communist or socialist."

http://biggovernment.com/rebelpundit/2011/10/17/update-communist-marching-with-occupychicago-identified-as-ofa-organizer-for-president-obama/

Almost everyone Obama has been identified with since his earliest days has been "explicitly communist or socialist"

Gmax

Intl. ANSWER = communists

United for Peace and Justice = communists

Some of the pro Palestine groups are communists as well.

BTW Medea Benjamin and Code Pink are birds of a feather.

Gmax

Dont take my word for it, go look it up. Or maybe Narciso could do lineage tree of this. The web is very tightly strung.

narciso

These are the people, who constituted the International Action Center(Ramsey Clark's
group) that in turn founded ANSWER:

Ideologically, the WWP is orthodox Marxist-Leninist. The Party's Trotskyist origins are reflected in much of Sam Marcy's early literature. However, Marcy also continued to uphold the USSR as a socialist state until the very end.

pagar

"Oh yeah, they got rid of him cause he is a kook."

As far back as I can remember, it has been the same. Sen Joe McCarthy, gotten rid of because he threatened the Communists. The John Birch Society, harasssed for being right about issue after issue. The list goes on and on. Now what do we have-- mob rule egged on by the US President.

Gmax

I think O has misread the OWS

Actually, misreading (along with overreacting) seems to be the only two behaviors in which this President has any aptitude whatsoever...

Jack is Back!

Read Kevin Williamson in NRO. The whole thing is socialist-commie with a few animal rights and trans-gender support groups thrown in to add a little spice.

This is why I want a picture of AF One circling Manhattan, like in 2009, and delivering Dear Leader to his chosen constituency.

Cameras rolling toward the people with American flags, protesting the pinkos as being intolerant, unpatriotic tea-baggesrs.

Captain Hate

Regarding Remington arms, the WSJ site didn't have recent news about it. Plus wiki says it's owned by Cerberus Capital Management which employs Dan Quayle. So I'd say that Soros getting his grubby mitts on it is somewhat unlikely; although I'm sure stranger things have happened.

Danube of Thought

Dem pollster Doug Schoen:

"Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

"The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

"An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote."

Danube of Thought

Maryrose, I've read The Big Short and found nothing in it remotely to suggest that the Dems as a party--or anyone else--wanted, or had the power, to control the timing or the occurrence of the financial meltdown of September 2008. Paulson is a Republican. Bernanke is a W appointee. So we are asked to believe that Tim Geithner engineered the whole thing, and did it to benefit the Dems?

It sounds pretty much like Gary Sick's claim that VP Bush flew in a superjet to ask the Iranians not to release the hostages before the 1980 election.

Dennis D

I will pull any lever thats not Obama

( ) Obama (X) Dirty Dancing with Chaz Bono
( ) Obama (X) Romantic Weekend in Vegas with Helen Thomas

Tom  Maguire
Gmax, I think O has misread the OWS and believes his union friends have succeeded or will succeed in coopting the leadership to his ends.

That gives Barry credit for insight and a strategy; I just think he is having a 60's flashback (even though his 60's occurred in the 80's).

The community organizer sees a community needing organization - how can he resist?

I think embracing the kooky left-outs can only end in disaster, but I am not a political genius like Axelrod and Barry.

Meanwhile, all the 'shocked, shocked!' articles and op-eds of spring 2012 could just as easily be written now: who knew these OWS people were so violent/anti-Semitic/anti-religion/anti-American? Who indeed.

MarkO

Help me out, friends.

If we take all the money from the rich, that will only work one time. Then what do we do. Give it back and start over? Damn. It seemed too good to be true.

Clarice

You are probably right, Tom. Amazing how often you are even though you are "not a political genius like Axelrod and Barry."

Barry doesn't learn from his mistakes either. Jumping in to support these folks is a lot like calling the Cambridge cops "dumb" when they handcuffed a suspicious and uncooperative Gates.

and there is a hint of madness with the CLASS stuff which hints of desperation.


Clarice

Well, MarkO, that's been known to happen. By the mid 80's when I was there the USSR 's stock of goods stolen from the rich was shabby, needed extensive repairs and there were no replacements on the horizon.

Captain Hate

Mark, you're at least a step ahead of the people you're questioning. Odummy doesn't have the slightest grasp of economics. He thinks that economic growth happens by sheer luck and the people that generate it are unfairly holding back from investing in the future because they don't like him. He thought he could come in and start robbing the treasury for all his cronies and the economy would just grow to make up for it. I mean the MFM told him that Bush rewarded his cronies and the economy grew for a while for him; why would they hold back now?

henry

MarkO, rich people have money coming out their wazoos. They won't run out as long as unicorns roam.

Clarice

***And there is a hint of madness with the CLASS stuff, today's threat to veto a repeal looking like an ill-considered desperation move.******

Iggy

--Projected TARP costs as of March per CBO. $19 billion.--

Rick,
Does that include the cost of the Fed advancing them the free money to pay back the original injections?

narciso

Of course, the fact that unicorns don't exist are inconvenient, was the Congress explicitly
defunding CLASS, I must have missed it, apparently TOTUS didn't tell him either.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

I really like Herman Cain, primarily because I have been listening to him for years in Atlanta and liked the way he handled his talk show gig. Of all the candidates, on balance I like him the best.

Whether he is a viable candidate for president is another matter. The path to nomination is a long one and Cain's path is longer than those of either Romney or Perry.

If he continues to perform in the crucible of electoral competition as well as he has so far, and if he can develop the financial base to compete he has a real chance IMO. Those are very big ifs.

Iggy

--( ) Obama (X) Dirty Dancing with Chaz Bono
( ) Obama (X) Romantic Weekend in Vegas with Helen Thomas--

Jeebus. Talk about taking [or two] for the team.

narciso

'These goggles they do absolutely nothing'

Rick Ballard

Iggy,

The cost of Mad Ben's printing frenzy will never be known. It really doesn't look like the wholly politicized Fed is ready to take a break even now. Perhaps Cain will be asked to address this particular idiocy tomorrow?

JM Hanes

glasater:

"This is frightening."

No, it's not. It's the worst kind of guilt by association, totally stripped of context. Here's single the relevant paragraph of the Hot Air memo, which it seems nobody actually knew about, when they started beating Romney up with Holdren:

In the development of greenhouse gas policy, Romney Administration officials have elicited input from environmental and economic policy experts. These include John Holden[sic], professor of environmental policy at Harvard University and chair of the National Commission on Energy Policy and Billy Pizer, an economist at Resources for the Future, an environmental policy think-tank based in Washington D.C

I note that it was Romney "administration officials" who "elicted input" from the man who was the preeminent source of environmental policy at the time -- a year before Watt's Up was even a twinkle in one of the most important climate skeptic's eye. Big whup. Who knows if Romney even spoke to the guy, himself?

If folks want to slam the policies Romney set in place, have at it. He needs to account for those decisions. But as far as I know, Romney has never endorsed or discussed, and may not even have been aware of, a single one of Holdren's reprehensible views on other subjects. If anyone can come up with a scrap of evidence that Romney is, or ever was, sympathetic to those views, bring it on. Till then, I don't think we're looking at smoking guns, I think we're seeing smears.

pagar

"Cap and trade was not enacted"

RGGI was enacted in 10 states. All the leftists are overwhelmed with all the free money they have gotten from these big corporations. Few mention the fact that it is a total scam. The corporations pass the expenses to the consumer. The leftist politicians take the money gotten from the total public and redistributes it to their favorite few.

"“RGGI is a stealth tax hidden in our electric bills, with the illusion of free money to those who benefit from its funds,” Garrity said."

LUN

narciso

This was the other person consulted in the memo, to fight the C0 2 monster, in the LUN

Clarice

Nah, Rick. More likely to be what's his favorite pizza or name the under viceroy for Lower Pukeistan.

Jim Miller

JM Hanes - The Holdren story reminds me of how economist Mark Zandi became a "Republican", and a McCain "advisor".

(He's not a Republican, and he was never a McCain advisor, in any real sense, but leftists and reporters -- but I repeat myself -- found it convenient to say he was.)

glasater

JMH-

Perhaps I should have made my comment a bit more clear in that I found the part I bolded -- he then imposed price caps to keep power companies from passing the cost along to the consumer -- frightening. A businessman should know better I would think.

Threadkiller

Totally off topic. For some reason this has screwed up my reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5XSTwv4vA

What the Hell was that?

JM Hanes

glasater:

I put that whole post pretty strongly, but I was really aiming at the folks like Red State and Morrissey who can casually characterize a potentially non-existant relationship between Romney and Holdren as Romney's "partnership with a familiar conservative bête noire." I'm afraid I caught you in the crosshairs!

Jim Ryan

Did any libertarian futurists say "faster please" about the lesbian couple that is using chemistry to deprive its boy of a sex? After all, it is a futuristic, scientific advance.

East Bay Jay

Re. TM's 9:29, I think we're seeing what happens to children with short attention spans: they grow up to be adults that don't plan beyond the next decision to be made/syllable to be uttered. They're not playing chess. Lord no. They're not even playing checkers. They're playing tic tac toe and hoping for a tie most days.

Captain Hate

So 8 is the right age to make a choice like that, Jim? I'm thinking these aren't the same type of same sexers that Julianne Moore and Annette Bening portrayed.

glasater

I understand, JMH, and you make good point. And I should better clarify a comment made.
I've heard Romney defend his promoting Romneycare by saying that at the time the state's economy was doing well and he wanted to take advantage of the good times to get costs under control.

Jim Miller's comment on how Zandi became a 'republican' is very interesting.

Jim Ryan

The couple will eventually have to take out a restraining order against the young man, Cap'n. He will have a score to settle.

Captain Hate

I can think of a whole laundry list of actors in that play he'll have issues with, Jim. Assuming he ever gets out of therapy.

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