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October 12, 2011

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Dave (in MA)

harrjf, for more fun you could ask them if they were aware that Obama is a Keynesian.

Jack is Back!

Reflecting back on the debate last night, a few observations:

1. Cain has a projection problem sitting down and discussing his policy and positions. He is constantly blinking and looking less sure of himself than when standing and at arm's length from the others.

2. Perry had some very good moments but also some apathetic appearing moments. Like Palin he can talk up, over, under and around the others on energy issues and made great points about tying job creation to energy development. But I just have this feeling that he has either a health problem or an energy problem that keeps him a little too sedated for something this important.

3. Gingrich is by far the smartest guy in the room but then so were the Enron guys. He is more sure of himself and isn't terribly worried about what he says. His comments on the Fed and Dodd-Frank generated the first applause from the crowd. Up until that point I thought the audience had been warned to not show any emotion for any of the candidates. If there was one person who helped themselves last night more than the others it was Newt. It would not surprise me to see him move into 3rd position either before or after the Vegas debate.

4. There should be one of those One Million Dollar X Prizes for figuring out how the RNC can use Ron Paul effectively during the Presidential campaign. Like it or not he does generate great sound bites and makes very relevant points on the economy.

5. Michelle Bachman is flat out an under-achiever who has no ideas, no plans, no concepts other than to trash those of the other candidates. She is overly reactionary.

6. Jon Huntsman at least was honest about who he is and how he got there by naming his Dad as his economic guru (in more ways than one). But he has that frat boy flippiness (like the 999 pizza joke) that turns off people that he is not serious.

7. Santorum is going nowhere and has to become a "buttinsky" just to say what's on his mind. But at least Charlie Rose thinks S comes before R in the alphabet. It was the only time and last time Santorum will lead Romney.

And lastly, Bloomberg TV may have done more to generate less ratings than they currently have with having Charlie Rose and Karen Tumulty as questioners. They are far from photogenic (like Julia Goldman, for example) and could not even understand that the Republican candidates would have a different idea of what happened to the economy, housing and joblessness than what DNC talking points say. They were aghast at what Newt said about Dodd and Frank and didn't understand what Bachman was insinuating even after Newt made it criminal. That and having that pinko retread Al Hunt as the intro to the debate - what happened Mike Kinsley as unavailable?

But then if you can't handle these types now what will you do when it becomes you against JEF on the greater national stage next fall?

Jack is Back!

One other thing I forgot to include: Was it coincidence that the Tumulty questioning was straight out of the DNC playbook and that DWS showed up in the Spin Room after the debate?

Also, I don't know if it was the lighting, the seating or the makeup but a number of the candidates didn't look as good as in the other debates. On the other hand, Max Factor would take up farming if he had to do Tumulty and Rose.

NK

Matt-- I've been a student of the Pacific War between the Empire of Japan and USA (1941-1945) for 45 years. Your summary and opinion about the Obamaniac proposed apology are perfect in all important respects. FYI -- even AFTER the 2 Atomic bombings, junior Imperial Army officers staged an coup and attempted to prevent the Emperor's surrender speech (the first time virtually any Japanese heard Hirohito's voice) from being radio broadcast. The militarist "Code of Bushido" had infected millions of Japanese, Operation Olympic the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands would have been Medieval, a starvation blockade and air/sea bombardment would have killed even more Japanese. Harry Truman made a terrible but correct decision.

NK

Matt-- here's a link to the August 14th-15th 1945 coup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_Incident

centralcal

JiB - the lighting was horrible! Cain, an attractive mature black man, is quite telegenic every time I have seen him on TV. But NOT last night. He appeared to have black fuzz just above his brow line and all across his forehead - it was caused by shadows, especially if he wrinkled his forehead while speaking.

I think I mentioned last night that it was a toss up between Rose and Tumulty as to who had the largest, saggiest bags under their eyes. The shadows cast by the poor lightening only accentuated it.

Danube of Thought

My father, having fought the Japanese from Midway to Gudalcanal to Okinawa, was preparing for the invasion of Japan when those two bombs were dropped. I think he would simply never have believed that a future American president would undertake to apologized for sparing him and millions of others the ordeal of such an invasion.

This man is a disgrace to this country.

NK

DOT-- if I can ask was your father USN or USMC?

Jack is Back!

Matt,

He doesn't need to apologize for HIroshima, hell, he has Pearl Harbor. He can just tell the Japanese how sorry we are that we built a naval base there in Hawai'i that offered such an attractive nuisance to them. Then he can apologize to the Russians for Seward screwing them royally when he stole Alaska from them. With that done he can then apologize to France for how we screwed Napolean over the Louisiana Purchase. He has already given Mexico a wink and a nod over the Gadsden Purchase (ask Jan Brewer).

OT: Just when you thought Joe Biden could not top himself he exceeds even his own expectations with this howler. LUN

Jim Ryan

It is dogma on the left that the Japanese were about to surrender and, knowing this, we dropped both bombs in order to test the new tech and to scare the Soviets. And on the left, dogma is dogma.

fdcol63

Hopefully, one day America can apologize to the world for electing Obama.

narciso

He's mentioned a fair amount in thar chronicle of the naval campaign in the Solomons, 'Neptune's Inferno' NK, from his
own journal, it's a really riveting read.

NK

JimR-- 1960s revisionist dogma = BS.

rse

LUN is a nice essay on how the problem of too many college graduates is global.

As I am writing, let me make one aspect clear in case some of you have a decision to make this year. This is in the public domain already, but not really well-known. Part of the Race to the Top apps and tied into the national K-12 standards are agreements with the public higher ed systems in most of the states to take all the graduates under Common Core and put them into credit bearing, non-remedial coursework.

As expensive as private colleges can be, the state systems will be under tremendous pressure to dumb down coursework over the next few years under the terms of these agreements. The prestige schools are already being pressured by foundations to target their students' beliefs and values because they are likely to be the leaders of tomorrow.

Good private schools that are not trying to get into or stay in the US News Top 20 or so may be the best port in the storm over the next couple of years as all this shakes through.

Danube of Thought

USN. Fought all the major ship-to-ship battles in the Solomons and survived the sinking of USS Atlanta at Gudalcanal and numerous Kamikaze attacks at Okinawa.

Jim Ryan

NK - 1960s revisionist dogma = Marxist propaganda.

Captain Hate

Stedman's recent pressers have Tammy Bruce dropping multiple F bombs.

Frau Verspottung

rse - re: Pitzer costs. Sustainability is pricey and empowerment priceless..

jimmyk

the state systems will be under tremendous pressure to dumb down coursework over the next few years under the terms of these agreements.

I've been hearing that post-graduate (masters programs, professional schools) are the next frontier--there's been a big uptick in applications by students hoping to distinguish themselves from the hordes of mere college graduates. In other words, MAs are the new BAs. I haven't seen any hard numbers, but that's the scuttlebutt.

MarkO

When first listening to Obama's views on policy, it felt to me as if he were not an American. American in the sense that almost all of us share a certain belief or understanding of our country. Not even John Kerry would undertake to apologize for dropping the bomb that ended the war. Only someone, devoid of historical facts and steeped in a culture of unAmericanism could hold such a conviction.

Have I mentioned that he's just not that smart?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Until I read Neptune's Inferno, I wasn't aware of the extent of Naval casualties in the Solomons and Guadalcanal. In fact, the Navy lost more men than the Marine Corps ground troops. That book really opened my eyes.

DrJ

MAs are the new BAs

I've thought for a long time that this was going to happen. I sure hope the classical Ph.D. remains untouched.

Dave (in MA)
JiB - the lighting was horrible! Cain, an attractive mature black man, is quite telegenic every time I have seen him on TV. But NOT last night.
I thought that Herb was the only one who didn't suffer from the harsh lighting. Maybe I'm still trying to get used to the 52" HD we have, but I thought that he was the only one who didn't obviously have a funeral director makeup job. Not that any of it really matters.
fdcol63

Obama does not hold any "traditional" American values or affiliations precisely because he's "cosmopolitan", having grown up and matured in college all over the place.

Growing up among Muslims in Indonesia during very formative years, with an atheist mother and a Muslim step-father, combined with his biological father's Kenyan Muslim anti-colonialism, is it any wonder that he's anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-Semitic?

These sentiments were simply reinforced by the people he's surrounded himself with over the years. People like FMD, his leftist professors at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, and his cadre of associates in Chicago like MO, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, Jeremiah Wright, etc etc etc.

And yet the American people elected this doofus as POTUS.

Old Lurker

I recently hosted five of my 60's era fraternity brothers for a mini reunion. We talked about how each of us and everyone else we graduated with either started work in late June after graduation or went straight to grad school that September. In the case of grad school, we all had real jobs by age 24 or so.

Collectively, all of the kids of this small group today are entering real jobs at 28 or 29 now, and in several cases it is a stretch to call them real jobs.

macphisto

it's entirely correct that the atomic bombs were necessary, but they weren't the determinative factor in Japan's capitulation; what tipped the scale was the USSR's declaration of war the day before Nagasaki and the Soviets rolling up the Imperial troops in Manchuria like a cheap carpet. the Japanese were terrified of the Red Army, which they knew was huge and heavily equipped even compared to the US/Allied Forces facing them from the east, held a grudge against them dating back to the Russo-Japanese war at the turn of the century, were commanded by leaders who didn't care about casualties, and had little regard for Western niceties about rules of war, atrocities, and such. and once the Emperor and the government knew they were trapped between two enormous armies, they knew there was no alternative but capitulation or utter destruction.

Clarice

The extent to which the Japanese population was propagandized to fight to the last man is evident from the Guam suicides of women and children when we invaded. a Japanese American man who was an Army intel officer in the first ground troops after we invaded the mainland said he was trying to get villagers to stay where they lived and not flee so they could distribute relief supplies..they wouldn't listen to his requests to stay put until he shouted,"Look at me. I am Japanese American. I give you my word no harm will come to you. We have food and medicine we want to give you but we cannot until you stop running and stay put." The turned, saw him and stopped and, at last, the rescue mission could take place.


(A side note: When Eleanor Roosevelt visited his US base, all the Japanese american soldiers were locked up in the brig. PHEH)

Frau Verspottung

Thanks for the link, ManTran.

MarkO

Let’s recite class (in honor of the more than creepy Atlanta OWS bunch): Who interred Japanese Americans without due process? A. Democrats. Who dropped that nasty, radioactive, unacceptable, (we can contain Iran if it gets one) bomb on Japan? A. Democrats. Now, for extra credit: Who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act? A. Democrats.

macphisto

and not just Guam. many of us have probably seen the film footage from Saipan of the civilians leaping to their death off the cliffs there, where hundreds died.

fdcol63

MarkO: Who fought to keep African-Americans as slaves? A) Democrats.

macphisto

they hadn't been told to fight to the last...they'd been told the Americans would torture and rape them. which is to say they'd been told American soldiers would behave like Japanese soldiers did in the Asian campaigns.

NK

macphisto--

careful with that history stuff. The Japanese war cabinet played for time in the summer of 1945, offering Stalin parts of Manchuria/Siberia in exchange for backing off of the Potsdam declaration, and a negotiated peace. The Red Army taking by force what the War Cabinet offered showed the Japanese that playing for time got them nothing except more death, and possibly the loss of the Emperor. When the US indicated that uncondtional surrender did not necessarily include loss of the Emperor, it was done. BUT the Red Army was no threat to the Home Islands; they had virtually no amphibious capability and Russia's heavy bomber threat paled in comparison to the B-29 force. Reason prevailed, not Stalin's army.

matt

I tried to put Obama's actions in context in the LUN.

It wasn't just the sheer wrongness of his apology, for that is what he has done. His request to apologize would be seen not only by the Japanese, but by all Asians as what it is.

More importantly, it was then, and is for a second time, an incredible loss of face both in Asia and even here. He has laid bare his character, and the whole world now knows he has none.

He is a craven, supine fool who knows very little and has no objectivity.I believe in a moral world he would be thrown out of office in disgrace. Let's work to that end.

NK

Jim Rhoads -- FYI there are literally dozens of worthwhile histories of the Guadalcanal Campaign, land , sea and air (August 1942-January 1943) and the Solomons Campaign that followed in Spring- Fall 1943. The losses and courage of the USN were sobering. As a society, Americans can never repay the courage and sacrifice of men like DOT's father.

Dave (in MA)

Poppin' Fresh @ Hotair is now saying that the "apology" story could be interpreted in different ways.

ROA

The actual Wikileaks text is posted below. It is not clear to me that Obama proposed apologizing for Hiroshima, or if that is what non-nuclear groups were hoping he would do. That is also the opinion of Ed Morrissey at Hotair. (LUN)

POTUS VISIT TO JAPAN: TOO EARLY FOR HIROSHIMA VISIT
--------------------------------------------- ------

¶5. (C) VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public
will have high expectations toward President Obama's visit to
Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level
of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear
groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President
would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech
on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both
governments must temper the public's expectations on such
issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to
apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a
"non-starter." While a simple visit to Hiroshima without
fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message,
it is premature to include such program in the November
visit. Yabunaka recommended that the visit in November
center mostly in Tokyo, with calls on the Emperor and Prime
Minister, as well as some form of public program, such as
speeches, an engagement at a university, or a town hall-like
meeting with local residents. Highlighting the busy
political calendar in the coming weeks, including the
election of the new Prime Minister, launching of the new
Cabinet, and the Prime Minister's participation in the UN
General Assembly and the Pittsburgh G-20 Summit, Yabunaka
noted that both sides should begin working quickly on the
President's November visit. The Ambassador conveyed an
informal invitation for the new Prime Minister to attend the
Pittsburgh Summit, adding that an official invitation will
follow once the Prime Minister is elected.

Jane

Matt,

I hope you send that to Insty. It's great.

fdcol63

Besides the revisionist aspects of Obama's attempt to apologize, he apparently gave no thought to what it would do to present day circumstances.

Like whether or not it would be used by anti-nuclear power groups or to the current Japanese-American military alliance.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Agreed, NK. God bless them all.

macphisto

yes. yes, i AM a huge enthusiast for the history of the Second World War. i was born in 1956, so when i was a kid it was still part of recent cultural memory in the same sense that the Clinton years are today and i imbibed it then, and how could it not be fascinating? an enormous global struggle of nothing less than Good and Evil, waged by some of the military and political giants of the 20th century and perhaps of all Western history, and with the first leaps into truly modern--and in some cases truly aesthetically beautiful--technology? how could i not be enthralled by Hitler vs. Churchill? Halsey and Nagumo? the utter balls of Doolittle, or Skorzeny? the beauty of a Spitfire or an US Navy destroyer at speed? the awful ballet of Midway? or the horrifying sweep of an air raid on Germany, or the armored advances at Alamein or Kursk? of course, now that i'm older i see the tragedy in all of it a lot more than when i was a child, but i'm still fascinated by the subject, and by the WWI->WWII period in general, because i believe that period created the conditions we live under today. World War II really only ended when the Wall fell and Germany was no longer occupied.

matt

why don't you, Jane? He's tough.

matt

Politically, he is sliced, diced and done in Asia. Between his Bojangles shuffle with China and now this, no one will trust him to keep his word.

We have officially sold the Taiwanese out with the fighter and arms deal kiboshes and everyone is looking around trying to figure out how to deflect the Chinese hegemon.

Then again, China has its own issues and may end up in deeper trouble than they can deal with.

Thomas Collins

If we were a serious country, the news that Obama asked the Japanese to accept his apology for the A-Bombs would have prompted a bipartisan call for an investigation into whether the story was accurate and, if the story turned out to be accurate, Obama's immediate resignation. It's pretty sad when the Japanese have to save Obama from embarassing the US.

NK

ThomasCollins-- that's abit harsh-- a bit. First we have to determine if the idiot Obamaniac actually offered an apology. He probably did, but that has to be investigated and established.

fdcol63

A good campaign slogan:

"I will NOT apologize for America!"

Thomas Collins

NK, I am so discouraged to have a POTUS who, when a story like that comes out, I find it perfectly believable. The surprise to me would be if the story were found to be inaccurate.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

IMO, these are two of the evil persons
in the Obama Regime and they came from the Romney camp.

Rather than say the Romney camp, is it possible they came from the majority dem camp of Massachusetts? I don't know, but if your pool of choices is 90% dem, I think there is a better than even chance you may have to go with a dem.

Perhaps one of the MA-ites can tell us.

jimmyk

"I will NOT apologize for America!"

Can we apologize for having elected Obama?

macphisto

@NK: we're not necessarily contradicting each other. the Japanese had peace feelers out since 1943. however, Stalin had committed at Potsdam to declare war on Japan 3 months after Germany surrendered, and he had motivation: the lands Japan took from Imperial Russia during/after the Russo-Japanese war. if nothing else, Soviet war with Japan would have required Japanese troops and supplies in China and the other remaining Asian territories which would otherwise be available for the home islands.

true enough about Soviet bombing capability, but they'd have had to fly shorter distances since Soviet territory is closer to Japan, which might have mitigated that problem somewhat. and if it'd come to that, i think that Soviet industry, much of which had been moved back beyond the Urals when the Nazis were in full flower, could have built some boats, and Stalin's officers would have made the troops get into them no matter how bad they were.

anyway, it's something of a moot point. once they were well and truly surrounded, the jig was up. at that point, Japan had the choice of good cop or bad cop.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

He rightly prides himself on his leadership skills, but he seems to think leaders don't apologize or admit they were mistaken.

Rule #6: Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Romney wants me to insure them, apparently, but not educate them. I mean, why else would he make a statement that there are 1,000,000 uninsured children in my state. Does he have any idea how many of those 1,000,000 are here illegally?

Perry almost sounds like he is bragging. I have more illegals than you did, neeener neener neener.

MarkO

I yield to many in my understanding of the facts of the end of the war in the Pacific, but there was no surrender even after the display of overwhelming force by dropping the first bomb. That surrender came ONLY after the second bomb makes me think that in the absence of such force, the overall carnage would have been unreasonable to impose so long as there was an effective alternative.

I am a big fan of overwheming force.

Thomas Collins

Sara, I don't know whether the folks in question were Romneyites. I certainly acknowledge that if you are the Governor of Massachusetts, you aren't going to be able to have Sarah Palin and Rick Perry types in your cabinet. However, I just don't see Romeny in this campaign as giving sufficient urgency to entitlement reform and energy development (in sharp contrast to Perry, who I think gets it). That is the primary reason I think Perry is the superior candidate.

macphisto

I'm not in any sense arguing against the bombs. i favor the highest possible degree of whelming.

NK

macphisto-- fair enough.

FYI-- for all his faults, Jim Webb's "The Emperor's General" is a fascinating pseudo-history of the need for the Japanese Power Elites to preserve the Emperor, in order for most of them to avoid war crimes prosecutions and regain socio-economic power after the occupation ended. The Emperor was the key, his grandfather gave Japanese peasants Family names and baseball. the oligarchs meant nothing to the people, but the Emperor did. The oligarchs understood that.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I am having to defend myself on Gardasil while Romney sits there, the author of Obamacare, and gets a pass'.

Mommy, they are being mean to me, boo hoo. For a guy who paints himself as a rugged Texan, he sure whines alot.

Sue

Perry almost sounds like he is bragging. I have more illegals than you did, neeener neener neener.

Really? You really need to slow down while reading Sara. Go back and re-read that one.

Janet

For a guy who paints himself as a rugged Texan, he sure whines alot.

Perry didn't say that, Sara.

Sue

Mommy, they are being mean to me, boo hoo. For a guy who paints himself as a rugged Texan, he sure whines alot.

OMG. You really should quit looking for things to jump Perry for and read.

Sue

Perry didn't say that, Sara.

I don't know how I could have made that any more plain than I did. There is one in every crowd, I suppose.

Charlie (Colorado)

My father, having fought the Japanese from Midway to Gudalcanal to Okinawa, was preparing for the invasion of Japan when those two bombs were dropped. I think he would simply never have believed that a future American president would undertake to apologized for sparing him and millions of others the ordeal of such an invasion.

Mine was in an airfield in Okinawa. Ditto to all of the above.

Porchlight

Just catching up today - missed the debate last night.

The discussion of Hiroshima-Nagasaki and a possible Obama apology to Japan is especially interesting in light of recent stories floating the notion that Obama plans to run a re-election campaign in the style of Truman's in 1948.

So which is it - is he Truman II, or the anti-Truman?

Appalled

Looking at the wikileaks excerpt above -- there is no way to conclude Obama offered to do anything. Yabunka seems to be acknowledging that expecting an apology is unrealistic.

Is there any other wikileak showing a context that an Obama apology had been offered?

Jane

Matt,

I have no pull - now Hit is an entirely different matter.

Janet

It was obvious, Sue.

Charlie (Colorado)

I've been hearing that post-graduate (masters programs, professional schools) are the next frontier--there's been a big uptick in applications by students hoping to distinguish themselves from the hordes of mere college graduates. In other words, MAs are the new BAs. I haven't seen any hard numbers, but that's the scuttlebutt.

Well, to a great extent, BAs are the new high school diploma.

I mean really. You've got to get a pretty good BA to match up with a high school diploma not many years ago.

And that's not far off from 8th grade graduation a few years earlier yet.

About the time the Education degree was invented.

The decline since then is all coincidental, I'm sure.

Porchlight

The thing about MAs being the new BAs is that at some point students are not going to agree to incur more debt for increasingly shadowy job prospects down the line, and universities aren't going to agree to pay their way.

So while I agree that BAs are becoming devalued in the same way that h.s. diplomas were before them, there may be an upper limit here.

Pop goes the bubble.

Old Lurker

It is always fun to look at the average SAT scores of those entering the teacher factories compared to students entering the other colleges in the same university.

Also just a coincidence I am sure, Chaco.

NK

ThomasCollins/Appalled-- The WikiLeaks posting is indeed ambiguous. Hence, that's why I sugested to TC more facts needed to be established. Appalled, as to your 'context' question, a Japanese newspaper interpreted the cables as meaning that Obama offered and the Japanese Foreign Ministry politely declined. I think that's pretty good context of the Japanese perspetive of the Wiki cable.

Ranger

Well, it is the contiual credential escelator. A HS diploma was a discriminator, because only 50% of the population achieved it. The only way to overcome not having one was a good tour in the military, to prove you had a degree of discipline and could be counted on to follow instructions and be relied upon.

Now, most kids (except in the inner city) graduate HS, so the BA became the dviding line. Now, with federally backed tuition subsidies, everyone can eventually get a BA if they just stick it out long enough.

matt

"both governments must temper the public's expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a "non-starter.""

This paragraph would not have been included unless the discussion was mooted by the president. The Japanese would never have been so presumptious to have raised such a delicate issue. To have then stated that the Japanese said the issue is a "non-starter" is a very clear that the ball was in their court in diplo-speak.

A diplomat, like a Democrat, can argue the point, but it is a clearly phrased "no".

NK

Matt--the Japanese newspaper shares your interpretation. It is a simple fact that no Japanese Government has ever asked for a US apology-- that would undermine Japanese refusal to apologize for 1931-1945. I agree with ThomasCollins, I assume the Obamaidiot offered a US apology. The Japaenes declined and we all settled on Obama's DEEEEEP bow to the Emperor.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

i was born in 1956, so when i was a kid it was still part of recent cultural memory in the same sense that the Clinton years are today and i imbibed it then, and how could it not be fascinating? an enormous global struggle of nothing less than Good and Evil, waged by some of the military and political giants of the 20th century and perhaps of all Western history, and with the first leaps into truly modern--and in some cases truly aesthetically beautiful--technology?

I was born on VE day and when I was little my Dad used to say that when Germany heard about my birth, they knew they had no choice but to surrender. I think I believed this for a few years. Ugh!

However, in high school, I remember my friend's father's advice: Learn to type. (His daughter, BTW, is now a neurosurgeon) He told us that he was the only soldier in his unit that could type, so he was assigned to one of the Generals while the rest of his unit went to the battlefield and 90% did not come back.

A few years later this advice came back to me when I was on my first real job interview and the employer tore my resume in half and said, "One question, can you type?"

Captain Hate

So which is it - is he Truman II, or the anti-Truman?

The Truman Show

Porchlight

It is always fun to look at the average SAT scores of those entering the teacher factories compared to students entering the other colleges in the same university.

OL, you are correct, but up close it's not so fun. Working with the students who come to the library, I can assure you that the ed students (though usually very sweet) are the stupidest ones on campus (save for those in the school of social work). The Ph.D. and Ed.D. candidates in the ed school would make you weep.

These are the people who will be running the schools and the school boards and managing millions in taxpayer dollars. Not to mention teaching our kids and grandkids, of course.

Captain Hate

However, in high school, I remember my friend's father's advice: Learn to type.

I took a couple elective classes for it in high school in anticipation of having to type college term papers.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

A good campaign slogan:

"I will NOT apologize for America!"

No Apology: The Case for American Greatness (9780312609801): Mitt Romney: Books.

Thomas Collins

I know it's been posted before, but, in light of matt's 4:07 PM post, I think the cable is worth posting again (see LUN). When looked at as a whole, it becomes clear that, as matt posted, this was the Japanese saying "no" to a US request (at least a request for the Japanese to consider the possibility). I think that, reading the cable as a whole, there really is no other reasonable way to interpret it. So, the question then becomes whether the cable is an authentic cable.

rse

jimmyk-

The aspiration is to regulate what goes on in every education program so the emphasis is on the credential = some degree of skills. Knowledge is frowned upon because it is not equally accessible to all.

First time I ever heard the term P-20 I was confused. It means regulating through the PhD programs. There is a determination to get credentials distributed by proportion of population no matter what. Truthfully other aspects of this story are so mindboggling this seems like icing on the cake to me now.

All I know to do is tell the story in a compelling way with the economic consequences discussed as well. And the history of comparable ideas. There are few people who have not or will not be impacted by this. Even if they have no kids.

NK

TC-- I share your and Matt's assumption. But more facts are needed, including as you point out authenticity. If true, the Japanese Foreign Ministry knew in 2009 that the Obamaidiot is a know-nothing moron of the highest order.

Porchlight

I love typing. Had an old-school teacher in high school. Poor thing, her hands were gnarled with arthritis but she still could tell us how to do it even if she couldn't demonstrate. She also taught us to sit up straight with our feet flat on the floor. To this day I never get tired at my desk, thanks to that advice. So glad my parents encouraged me to take that class.

Captain Hate

I think that, reading the cable as a whole, there really is no other reasonable way to interpret it.

When you use the word "reasonable" in an argument it almost entirely removes Poppin' Fresh from the discussion.

Clarice

Taranto BOTW takes aim at the mods last night who didn't flinch when one of them (Tumulty) suggested Wall Street player should be arrested and were livid at the suggestion that law breaking Didd and Frank should be:


>blockquote>Tumulty posed the following question: "Congresswoman Bachmann, three years after the financial meltdown, Main Street continues to suffer. People have lost their jobs, they've lost their homes, they've lost their faith in the future. But Wall Street is thriving. The banks not only got bailed out by the government: They made huge profits; they paid themselves huge bonuses. Do you think it's right that no Wall Street executives have gone to jail for the damage they did to the economy?"
If one were to construe this as a straight question rather than an exercise in (or opportunity for) political posturing, the correct answer would be: Of course it is right. A civilized country, governed by the rule of law, does not imprison people merely to quench the public's thirst for revenge. If there is good cause to think that a Wall Street executive has violated the criminal law, let there be an investigation. Imprisonment is appropriate if and only if such a crime is proved beyond a reasonable doubt.{snip}Both Rose and Dionne express shock at the idea of scapegoating liberal politicians, but neither raises an objection to the idea of scapegoating Wall Street executives. What makes liberal journalists think that if they help to stir up a lynch-mob mentality, it will not turn against them or the people they like?

Old Lurker

Porch, I mentioned before my experience like that of Clarice on the boards of private schools here in DC. Granted these schools' kids are at the top end of the bell curves anyway, and granted that their family environments encourage accomplishment and would do so no matter where they sent those kids for high school. (We used to note quietly among ourselves that we charge $400,000 for K-12 schooling to get kids into XXX when that kid would get there anyway for free from the school up the street.)

But I noticed even in that rarified setting a sense of "good enough" which means to these families that their kid will/must get into the Ivy of his choice, where he will do well (whatever that means). Interestingly that bar was low enough that these schools need to teach school fewer than 150 days per year compared with public schools at about 180 days and schools of my generation closer to 200. Working at anything serious on such a part time basis results in less rigour and seriousness about the whole "job" of getting educated which in turn leads to taking five years for a four year degree, then a year off for world travel and decompression before starting a job. And even then the entry into the "job market" starts with an internships or a do-good non profit job of some sort.

All of that said, there are bell curves within bell curves so that while my description above fits many, there are indeed, still, a group of very hard working brilliant kids who work harder and learn more and in greater depth than we ever did after walking through the snow uphill both ways to school back in the day.

If you get my drift.

jimmyk

Well, to a great extent, BAs are the new high school diploma.

I was taking that for granted in my comment--I think that's been true for 30+ years (dating back to the 70s when high schools went in the toilet and college enrollments jumped in part for draft deferments).

Learn to type.

I taught myself how to type using my mother's typing manual from the 1940s. That book was a hoot, with pictures of these 40s-era secretaries. But I can still remember: "d d-e d-e-d e-d-e ...." One of the smartest things I did, though unfortunately my fingers are much faster than my brain at this point.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Perry didn't say that, Sara.

I don't know how I could have made that any more plain than I did. There is one in every crowd, I suppose

Turn about is fair play, right Sue? How does it feel to have someone totally mischaracterize your boy? Weasel words aren't going to win any points for Perry.

There is nothing wrong with my reading skills, but your irony and sardonic skills could use some remedial work.


Thomas Collins

At the rate we are going, high school diplomas will be the new toilet training.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It was obvious, Sue.

Of course it was obvious, as was my response. I may not be the smartest person here, but I am far from dumb and sometimes you guys just make it too easy.

Frau Verspottung

"About the time the Education degree was invented. The decline since then is all coincidental, I'm sure."

Hear, hear, ChaCo. Thank goodness I did not have a degree or degrees in education; I started teaching with less pay than those who did and had to endure education classes while "in harness."

Frau Verspottung

OT to Man Tran-
Our small McClatchy newspaper had a full-page ad from LightSquared to let us all know how much the company has worked in the interest of the public and how they are 100% sure there is nothing amiss with their scheme, er, product.

Porchlight

OL,

Thanks. That's encouraging. But I wonder what the future is for my sweet, but middling-talent 3rd grader in public school. I think a selective four-year college is just a fantasy for her, though it wasn't for me or for my siblings and my parents, for which I am grateful.

Hence the waitressing job that I am preparing her for. :) Also she might make an excellent secretary.

Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations, as they say...

Jack is Back!

Sara,

You know you can promote and cheer on your guy all you want without denigrating any of the others. Sue was only projecting what she would like to see from her candidate. Can you name one thing Perry has said about Romney that you take exception with because it is not factual or is mean-spirited?

Me, i have reserved my pick until we get closer to Iowa. In fact, I don't know how anyone can get fully on any of the bandwagons. I have eliminated several but I like everyone of them more than the current occupant and that should be the laser-like focus.

/Obama eundum - Obama Quisque sed

Jane: Go To LUN - are you aware of this?

Charlie (Colorado)

I was born on VE day and when I was little my Dad used to say that when Germany heard about my birth, they knew they had no choice but to surrender. I think I believed this for a few years.

Well, we still do, Sara.

Charlie (Colorado)

I took a couple elective classes for it in high school in anticipation of having to type college term papers.

I was strongly discouraged from it on the basis that I was on the college-prep track and should be doing more "academic" stuff. I only managed to get 3 years of drafting (another "vocational" topic) because I was then determined to be an engineer. (Question: how much drafting does a software engineer do? A: Hah.)

I then taught myself to type in the interval after I left college the first time when I wrote True Confession stories for a living.

Ever since, my motto's been stolen from Shoe: "I live like I type: fast, and with a lot of mistakes."

Sara (Pal2Pal)

When looked at as a whole, it becomes clear that, as matt posted, this was the Japanese saying "no" to a US request (at least a request for the Japanese to consider the possibility)

We were always taught that the Japanese felt shamed by the way the Declaration of War came about in relation to the timing of Pearl Harbor and that later, after the war, it was a national shame. Was this just after the fact propaganda? I think most Americans would be of the mind that if there are any apologies due, they are due to America, not Japan. Pearl Harbor, Bataan Death March, etc.

I regret to say that my knowledge surrounding WWII is sadly lacking. I think it was still too raw a subject, too soon, when I was in high school studying American/World history. I know that most of the fathers, uncles, even grandfathers of my peers served and not many were willing to talk about their experiences at that time. My German teacher did speak of his experience in Germany. He was with one of the units that liberated one of the camps. Being fluent in German, he was assigned to translate and I remember being shocked when he would get tears in his eyes recounting some of the stories. A teacher crying was not something we'd ever seen before.

I don't recall any classes where we discussed the Pacific Theater. I think I learned my history of those battles from '50s era John Wayne/Richard Widmark war movies. I think I was in my 40s before I learned that my Uncle had been with MacArthur in the Philippines. In fact, I'm not sure if I even knew he had served until then.

Frau Verspottung

Porch, you never know what lies ahead. I used to play waitress at her age. The pad and pencil with a new page at every turn was heaven for me at eight. I grew up around restaurants. I waitressed my way through high school and a fancy college and have some varicosities to prove it. I attended my advanced German class at Pomona College wearing a salmon nylon uniform so I could be on time for the afternoon shift at the old Claremont Inn. I waited tables four years at college, was head waitress and also worked the night grill at CMC's Hub cafe. This was all in addition to working in two libraries at the same time. Don't be surprised at what a waitress can do.

Clarice

Damn, Chaco, I was born 5 days before Pearl Harbor. In those days women who had just given birth spent 2 weeks in the hospital and my mother heard the news over the radio in the maternity ward.

Porch, sign her up for junior Achievement at the earliest possible moment.

Elliott

So the bright shiny object the AG thinks will distract attention from a disastrous US law enforcement operation that put weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartels is the discovery of a plot in which it is alleged that an agent of a foreign power wished to employ a Mexican drug cartel for terroristic and perhaps belligerent acts inside the United States? Genius.

Danube of Thought

I dunno. Having read the cable, I can't firmly conclude that Obama had proposed to apologize. Would love to learn who was saying what to whom in the days and weeks before the cable was sent.

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