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November 22, 2011

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DrJ

OT, but MrsJ got a mention on the WSJ web site yesterday. No, she does not use my name.

http://www.fins.com/Finance/Articles/SBB0001424052970204531404577052083563593826/The-Best-Paying-Sales-Jobs

The article does sex up some of the salary ranges.

RichatUF

What is the threat we don't know about now?

I would have had a good answer for that one. How did the greatest slate of candidates ever do?

narciso

I noticed this job is still open a year later,


http://www.fins.com/Finance/Jobs/151928/Executive-Director-National-Institute-for-Civil-Discourse?link=FINS_jobs_peoplewhoapplied

Jack is Back!

Well, that was interesting.

Perry gets the most improved award.
Newt offered up his views on illegal immigrants and guess what - he is a Perry/Bush/McCain acolyte. Didn't know that.
Bachman is just stupid.
Romney is too lock-step neutral - make no enemies.
Paul is the most illogical and persistent cranky uncle in the room but still a nut job.
Cain was back in charge of his thoughts but at the same time unconvincing since he is no longer outside the mainstream.
Santorum is credible but lacks exposure.

Just my opinion. Still unprepared to pick anyone just now.

OMG - ABO

Niters.

centralcal

But because I am a nice person,...

Many of us have a hard time finding that person on this thread and numerous others. Sometimes, "reality" is only in your own mind.

You are not making friends here, Sara. You are turning people off to you.

Jack is Back!

RichatUf,

Latin America and the homeland.

A few about Iran walking a bomb into Manhattan where they park it in a tent at Zuccotti Park.

Latin American = Hezbollah sneaking in as grape pickers.

narciso

More debates like this, make it tolerable, of course 'the unicorn dust' crowd find it very alarmist.

Rick Ballard

I wonder if Paul will retire to Area 51? You know - spend those golden years among his family...

centralcal

I think Perry has come a long way on his journey of a thousand miles.

I am not prepared to support anyone yet, but at least I am not down to only one "electable" candidate, as the pundits and media would like me to be.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Well since I don't drink, the answer to that is no. Since I wasn't the one bullshitting about Paul's voice and Romney being hysterical, you aren't even making any sense, you drinking?

I don't cover up, I don't fudge around the edges, I say what I think and if you don't agree, fine, argue the point, don't hide behind ad homs. You aren't going to bait me into telling you how stupid I think you are (or how smart either). Do you see bogey men everywhere?

I'm favoring either Romney or Gingrich, I defend either or both when I agree with them, I keep my mouth shut when I don't. I think Perry's ah shucks Mitt attitude is as phony as they come, but he doesn't have a chance now, so I feel no need to defend or debase him. Lotta Romney debasing goes on around here and I do speak up.

I don't defend Dana. That's your reading problem again. I defend a principle that in this case happens to include Dana, but it could be you, and I would do the same. A point that doesn't fit your picture, so you just ignore it, but it doesn't make it any less true or any less out in the open and straightforward.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Lose Bachmann, Paul, Santorum and Huntsman from now on. They diminish those in the field who have a serious chance of winning.

If Romney is to win, he needs to read as much on the 1948 election as possible and learn from it. He is starting to sound like Thomas Dewey who, when he ran in 1944, Alice Roosevelt described as the "little man on the wedding cake. His bland, non-controversial "prevent defense" approach did not change four years later and he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

narciso

The flight back to Zeta REticuli B, don't take off till next week, Rick

Melinda Romanoff

Sara-

Don't do that again.

Kim-

TallBloke has a HUGE link to what I've been noodling.

Rick Ballard

Jim Rhoads,

I believe Romney has the best strategy going. Should he win the nomination, I would anticipate that he will shift gears smoothly and become as combative as necessary to win. I wouldn't bet on him winning the nomination but he's holding down the strong negatives very well.

I still don't want any drop outs other than Paul quite yet. The more targets the better.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

You are not making friends here, Sara. You are turning people off to you.

However will I survive a dozen or so blog commenters not wanting to be my friend? But hey, the next time you run a popularity contest, ccal, let me know so I can schmooz and play the right games, trash the people on the trash approval list and no one else, stick to the irrelevant and bring the food that no one can pronounce and no one has any idea what the ingredients are and then treat everyone to the game with right basketball team.

Maybe I can be one of the cool kids then and I can give a speech, "they like me, they really like me." ::rolling eyes::

centralcal

Conservatives gone wild . . .

We are missing a lot of fun on those NRO cruises. Just saying!

Melinda Romanoff

Sara-

You haven't slept in at least 24. Your very ample will is in the driver's seat. You need a dentist. I will find one for you.

OK?

daddy

Hate Sarah Palin update:

ADN reports that a 20 year old Pennsylvania man, who placed hundreds of harassing phone-calls to Palin's attorney in which he made threats to Palin and death threats to her Attorney, will plead guilty to that Federal charge. He and his father had already been issued orders restraining them from approaching the Palin's; the son for stalking Sarah, and the father for making hundreds of harassing calls to her parents..

Max Penalty: 2 years in jail and a $250,000 fine. Sentence to be delivered 1 December. Naturally ADN comments section savages Sarah.

Then, as if to atone for the above Sarah story not being negative towards her, the ADN posts a second story: Todd Palin reimbursed $2,500 for trial attendance.

This story takes a backhanded swipe at Todd Palin because tho' he was flown down to Tennessee as a potential witness for the trial that resulted in the conviction of that creep who hacked her e-mails, Todd was never called as a witness. In court they only called Sarah, her daughter Bristol, and an aide, not Todd. Therefore the ADN uses the opportunity to, in so many words, depict Todd Palin as a mooch off the Government, and thus invites commenters to continue the savaging of the Palin's as in the first story linked above.

What I have learned in this whole ugly episode is that we really have to somehow organize and collectively fight back against these Ellie Light attacks in our media and their comment sections when they occur. They are well orchestrated, they are immediate, and they are voluminous. We have to be able to get together rapidly and respond in defense.

It is too easy to say little or nothing and to let good people be destroyed by these folks. We have to do better.

How do we organize such a thing? Any suggestions?

centralcal

I am on board, daddy. Shit, we can barely tread water on this "comment section." Alas :(

Melinda Romanoff

Done.

Jane

I took that picture in a bar in San Juan. Not bad, eh?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

See, Daddy, it is all Sarah Palin's fault. If she was running, I would never have to say anything positive about Mitt Romney and then I would have some friends. Oh wait, hate on Palin is just as strong as hate on Mitt, just different voices. Shoot. Back to the drawing board.

centralcal

Sara: Mel seems to be a very dear friend to you, as he has been to many of us. A really nice man, with no ulterior motives that I can discern. Perhaps you should listen to him?

jimmyk

If you think the bickering her has been rough the last few days, check this out. It's hard to decide who is being the bigger jack**s, but I vote for Douglas Brinkley, who obviously thinks that it's beneath his dignity to have to interact with anyone who "didn't go to college." (Brinkley was testifying in favor of declaring ANWR some kind of off-limits national monument.)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Take me to a dentist? I don't need any dentist, I needed an antibiotic, which I got yesterday, and some pain medication which I also got. Some sleep? I slept on an off, probably got a total of 4 or 5 hours today, about my typical amount every day.

Mel has been a good friend. Good enough I don't want to give him my cooties by talking to him publicly.

And why the hell are you in this conversation anyway? Why am I? All I did was express an opinion that poor woe is me Jane took exception to because she confused two words and then tried to lay it off on me. A lawyer's trick.

jimmyk

Oops, that should have read "bickering here" not "bickering her" in my 11:04. I don't mean to pick on females.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I do want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and very full bellies, lots of laughter and love with your families, and safe trips if you are traveling.

You can give an extra thanks because I probably won't be around here for several days, as I'm leaving for Seattle tomorrow and won't be back until early Monday morning.

centralcal

Oh sure, jimmyk! ha ha ha ha.

We are all very bilingual here - English and typos are our specialties.

G'night all. Sweet dreams (as long as they include Buh-rock and Moochelle leaving DC in January 2013!)

Jim Miller

Of possible interest, especially to Alaskans. The Seattle Weekly has, in among the endless ads for "medical" marijuana, a crime story by Rick Anderson on Peggy Sue Thomas, a former beauty queen who is accused of being an accomplice to murder.

And the Alaska connection? She was once married to Mark Allen, the son of Bill Allen.

Her life would seem implausible if you were to see it depicted on a soap opera.

Here's the link for those who are interested.

(The reporter, Rick Anderson, is an old lefty, but pretty good on crime stories.)

narciso

Right, I wasn't going to complain about tone,
Paul actually makes my skin crawl, even more
than Huntsman, sort a Carter with a Texas twang, on the foreign policy front. Hope you feeling better, Sara, my mother is almost through this most harrowing of weeks.

jimmyk

And following on the previous thread, for all those smarties who watch ABC News rather than Fox: Not only are there 57 states, but there are over 1000 countries!

narciso

But remember she went Wellesley, so she can't be stupid, 'lord love a duck' When did the brainslugs reach Australia;

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/no_no_no_no_no_no/

daddy

test

daddy

Jim Miller,

By eerie coincidence, today Prosecutors decided to drop charges against Bill Allen of Child Sex Abuse.

"Prosecutors evaluated allegations involving five or so teenage girls but weren't able to corroborate that any of them had sex with Allen at age 15 or younger...In Alaska, the age for consensual sex is generally 16... One of Allen's accusers was a young woman who said she first met Allen when she was working as a 15-year-old prostitute...she described how Allen flew her multiple times from Seattle to Anchorage for sex when she was 16..."

Geez. What a family.

But it gets worse:

"Federal prosecutors have never stated publicly why they dropped the Allen case...Allen is scheduled to be released from federal custody today."

Hope our Lawyers read the story. I may be reading it incorrectly, but I think it says that the Fed's have let Allen walk from Fed charges, and then have helped squash the State's effort to prosecute him. Allen apparently is now scott free after all that lying and corruption as top witness in the Ted Stevens fiasco. It seems to me from the story that the Fed's have and are protecting Bill Allen; for what reason, who the heck knows. Maybe he has dirt on them. Just yesterday in this ADN story about Prosecutors withholding evidence from Ted Stevens during his trial we learned that:

1) "prosecutors withheld crucial information from defense lawyers about sexual abuse allegations against Allen that if revealed to jurors, could have affected his credibility."

2) "According to evidence developed by Anchorage police and the FBI in the Boehm case -- but not made public at the time -- Tyree had sex with Allen when she was 15, and then, at Allen's request, later swore it didn't happen."

3) And that the FBI Female top agent had an 'unprofessional/inappropriate' personal relationship with Bill Allen, which now somehow has been deleted from yesterday's ADN story.

In this whole sordid miserable Ted Steven's affair it looks to me like the only guys to actually face repercussions were dead Ted Stevens, and the unfortunate FBI rookie who went public and became a WhistleBlower. Once he observed what the hell was going on he found he had to go public to try to stop it, and he took a ration of crap in the Press and from his superiors for blowing the whistle. He's probably ostracized for life.

So now you tell me Allen's former Daughter in Law is accused of murder? Par for the course if you ask me:(

daddy

Here are the 2 ADN links I mentioned in the above story. With them in the text I was unable to post:

1) Allen unlikely to face child sex abuse charge.

2) Stevens prosecution team won't face criminal charges

JMH,

That may be the glitch that is causing us to be unable to post. Same thing has happened to me twice as happened to you a few days back, and here it happened again. Had to delete all links in order to get it to take.

daddy

Narciso,

That Diane Sawyer comment is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

She is an absolute imbecile. Man, that is frightening.

el polacko

hey sara and jane ! guess what ? nobody else cares what either of you think. take it outside.

Danube of Thought

Huntsman makes my skin crawl.

I would not have wished this self-immolation on poor Sara, and I pray she will recover. This has been a sad thing to witness.

glasater

Herman Cain said Syria had oil in tonight's debate. Although to me he didn't seem to get asked too many questions.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for a Holman Jenkins opinion piece comparing Obama and Carter. In Jenkins' opinion, Carter was a far better POTUS than Obama.

Jack is Back!

Good Morning, JOMers

I forgot Huntsman in my summary last night.

He is losing his tan and snarkyness but still makes DOoT's skin crawl.

Sleeping on it, the biggest surprise to me was Newt on illegal immigration. And for some reason, I think Perry took a big bounce up while Cain looked pedestrian and Romney still smarmy willing to say anything to get elected and smile while doing it.

Regurgitating Paul still leads me to believe he pulls more from the wacky left than on the right (anti-war, drug legalization, etc).

Jack is Back!

Washington's proclamation:

"George Washington's Original Thanksgiving Proclamation

    "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to
acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."
    "Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the Beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble
thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
   
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplication to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our national government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to  protect and guide all sovereigns and nations, especially such as have shown kindness to us, and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as God alone knows to be best."
----Given under my hand, at the city of New York, George Washington
The 3rd day of October, AD 1789"

narciso

'Just nuke it from orbit, just to be sure'


http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2011/11/unable-win-fair-and-square-big-labor-pushes-ambush-elections

narciso

Give yourselves a hand, Duke and Duke.


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/195261-senate-dems-ready-to-move-400-billion-in-new-bills

narciso

I'm used to this fellow getting the story wrong, recall his remarks on Petraeus,, which
fit a certain template;

http://www.nationaljournal.com/fact-check-how-serious-is-the-threat-to-pakistan-s-nuclear-program--20111122

narciso

I mean do they do any independent research at all;

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/110079-pak-nuke-security-focus-again-after-naval-base-attack.html

Jane

JIB,

I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think the press has pretty much decided that the field in Newt and Romney and Perry will not be coming back.

I want him to come back. However Mitt found a huge leg up on both Newt and Perry yesterday with their respective immigrations positions.

I was impressed by the debate.

narciso

I guess he thinks if he says it, it's gospel;

http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/06/28/5048/after-bin-laden-militants-closer-pakistan-nukes

narciso

It helps when you have questioners who know what their talking about, that hasn't been true about Blitzer, probably since the Gulf War.

narciso

To think this almost makes him a 'wise man'
in the Democrat ranks, lol


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/22/paul-begala-gingrich-dominates-foreign-policy-debate.html

narciso

This is the part, that particularly rankles;


Except, of course, for the parade of disgraced neocons who were among the questioners. A cavalcade of former Bush officials took one last moment in the spotlight, desperate to wash off the stench of their deceit and failure in Iraq. It didn't work. Their presence only served to remind the nation of the catastrophic consequences—in both blood and treasure—of putting a Republican in the Oval Office.

narciso

The Administration, that sent troops to Bosnia
and Haiti, while AQ was building it's ranks

Melinda Romanoff

narciso-

I would wager that Herr Bleetzer hasn't known what he was talking about since forming his first words.

narciso

It's just like Chinese food, Roger Altman and co, just throwing trillions as suggested cost
of the Euro bailout, on CNBC, 'it's a mad house'

NK

TCollins-- I read Jenkins in the WSJ, and I agree with him. Carter is certainly the worst ex-POTUS (Eisenhower, Hoover and GHWBush the best), but absolutely 'Bam is the worst sitting POTUS -- ever. Unlike 'Bam, Carter never shoved down the throats of the 50%+ of Americans who hated his guts policies that they hated more than him. In Bam's case those hated -- even unAmerican policies are -- Obamacare, oil/gas prohibitions, refusing to cut spending, constant class warfare and tax hike demands, hyper Fed regulations, crony socialism to steer subsidies to pals, sticking international friends in the back (Israel, GB, Poland, Czecks, Taiwan etc etc...) and on and on. Carter was an arrogant fool. 'Bam is a narcisist Leftist (fortunately he is also an incompetent.)

mikey

Down the road, any Republican candidate in the general election that gives the impression that they would deport someone's grandparent that has been here for 25 years can not win the election.

narciso

Understandable frustration I think,

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283765/happy-sweet-sequesterd-days-mark-steyn

narciso

SAy it ain't so, Angela;

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283823/eurocracy-run-amuck-samuel-gregg

Old Lurker

Speaking of other things, I see that Germany had trouble with a bond issue yesterday. Wonder how that is going to speed the unwinding of the Euro, or how soon more accurate risk adjusted interest rates impact US bonds? Let's see...7% on $15 Trillion is how much again? Does that impact our budget very much?

Melinda Romanoff

OL-

It's a bit more complex than that.

And today, the market has declared the ECB "Dead".

narciso

Doesn't that just illustrate the futility of the enterprise, it's like Joe Biden's 'wisdom'
writ large, 'Game over, man'

Melinda Romanoff

OL-

You have mail.

Janet

A new sting video from Project Veritas. A Prof. will do a research paper for money to bolster a desired point.

Old Lurker

Got, it, thanks Mel.

This stuff makes my head spin.

Something about sleeping with elephants comes to mind.

narciso

I've alway wondered what Tyler has meant by that title:


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/whose-debt-am-i

Sandy Daze

Mel, if re the Euro situ (that you sent to OL) would you plz consider cc-ing me at sandydaze at gmail ?

Thnx in advance for your consideration of this request.

OMG-ABO,
Sandy

narciso

Is it bigger than a breadbox,

Melinda Romanoff

I'll post it here.

From the FT/Alphaville blog, a different take on the bund auction and what it exposed.

Melinda Romanoff

Sandy-

I just try to keep the majority of the "inside baseball" stuff from cluttering up the place. I'll share just about anything here, if asked.

If I put up everything I read, I'd end up in my own Narcisolator.

Old Lurker

Mel's link is worth reading if you can stand it.

narciso

Of course, it would be just like the nutroots not to give any credit on the point, do they
really think this information is propietary;

narciso

Schumpeter called, I didn't mean that creative, Hayek says I told you so.

narciso

Beck is playing a montage of quotes from Occupy leaders, they are insane and dangerous, and they sound too much like what I described about the founding of Baader Meinhof and other groups, for confort.

Danube of Thought

Minus 18 at Raz today.

narciso


This is one, from a fool unacquainted with say the Decembrist (the group, not the band)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCP97AWXlZU

Benjamin Franklin

I will be here to remind all the Romney bashers of their apostasy when they suddenly pronounce him the Messiah. A Fickle bunch with short-term loyalty with an even shorter memory for good things, Verrrrrry long memory on real or imagined slights.

narciso

Ironically, Volodya's network is more honest,
about what is involved, then again once they had a similar manifestation, to Occupy, called Narodny Volya


http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33056

jean

Mel Thanks for the link.I sent it on to my husband.

Sandy Daze

Mel, other knowledgeable experts,
when comes the straw that breaks the camel's back?
All/ALL of the news sounds bad. . . and yet the system seems to continue apace. That which cannot go on forever, won't.
- next week?
- next month?
- next February?
- a year?

All the signs, to me, seem dire. Am I not understanding the situation correctly?


ABO-OMG,
Sandy

Janet

This Am. Thinker article says that there is a movement to Occupy some retailers on Friday...WalMart is one of them.
Where do middle class, lower middle class, & the relatively poor shop? WalMart.
These spoiled brats have never lived in a small town where there was limited availability of lots of products. Now everyone in town can choose a camera or bike or barbecue grill from a wide variety. How is that bad?

I really am sick of some rich elite group demonizing certain businesses....if they don't want to shop there, then they don't have to.

Melinda Romanoff

These signs aren't so dire, Sandy.

Wouldn't you agree?

narciso

Yes, it does seem to defy the laws of economics, Sandy,

Melinda Romanoff

Carp, TOTUS is on.

centralcal

Turkey of the United States, Mel?

Benjamin Franklin

In two years, we shall see the de-classified CIA docs, then we'll see,,,


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/22/the_holy_grail_of_the_jfk_story/

More likely, Kennedy was ambushed by enemies who sought to avoid detection. That is what JFK’s widow, Jacqueline, and his brother Robert believed. As David Talbot demonstrated in his 2007 book “Brothers,” Bobby Kennedy concluded within hours of the .gunfire in Dallas that his brother had been killed by anti-Castro Cubans. For the rest of his life, RFK never abandoned a conspiratorial interpretation of his brother’s death. (Full disclosure: Talbot is my boss and friend.)

Melinda Romanoff

Birds to be sent to re-education camp.

rse

janet-thanks for that link. You're probably not surprised I know exactly what the why is to O'Keefe's question. Have described it some and will describe it more. Ironically using graphic explanations from an utterly shocking book from the 60s that was withdrawn from the shelves of Rutgers' library. I was finishing up the book and took a break when I saw that link. Lots of coming full circle over and over again these days. That thread has become a rope now.

narciso-I have mentioned this before and it is relevant to your comments on the Baader-Meinhof Gang or the Red Brigade or the Shining Light. They all came out of academe. There is no grounding in real world experience to temper the utopian aspirations. In pushing a mindset that is malleable and can be controlled, you leave people without any tethers to reality or enough knowledge of history or the enduring constancy of human characteristics and motivations and reactions from great literature to recognize the absurdity of what they are being told.

AB- About to add brine to turkey. Nice way to open the sinuses.

Benjamin Franklin

At least they refrain from pepper spray

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/22/corrupt-and-brutal-egypt-s-police-fight-for-their-survival.html

"The fiery confrontation taking place in Egypt today is about pushing the Army out of power. It’s also about teaching the police once and for all that the unchecked brutality it has long considered its privilege will no longer stand."

Appalled

Ben:

I can understand you wanting to unload some pepper spray on some of these folks, when they determine that they will support Romney for President, and do so asserting his virtues. But really, I don't see a Tea Partier selecting the lever for Obama, or refusing the vote, because Romney is not perfect enough. Buckley's "The Most Conservative Electable Candidate", while expressed in his Ivy League manner, is really very practical, and will be followed.

The real problem for the GOP has been the debates, which have displayed a lot of crazy and hurt the GOP brand. (When your party stops being represented by Paul Ryan and Boehner, and is instead explified by the Gov. Perry or Herman Cain of the debates, you lose a lot of credibility.)

jimmyk

OT, but a bit of schadenfreude:

http://www.observer.com/2011/11/faye-dunaway-leaves-rent-stabilized-ues-place-gets-dissed/

And there are still those who think that rent control is for the poor.

NK

Bund Auction-- this seems like a really big deal (even the Canadian FM says so). I have no knowledge of the workings of Bund Auctions, but failing to sell 40% of the offering for what ever reason is --well -- alarming. I'm an Occam's Razor kinda guy; this tells me not many investors are interested in buying Bund Bonds at the %rate on offer. Easy enough, the real question is why? ze Germantz are making steadfast progress on their gov't debt and may balance their budget by 2012. So why did the offering flop now? My guess is that investors see German taxpayers as the buyer of last resort of all of the lousy PIIGS debt, so interest rates have to be marked up accordingly. Contagion has in effect bubbled all the way up to Germany. BOE gilts and USTs are the last sovereign debt standing-- but for how long?

Jack is Back!

rse and (A)B,

I have also added my brine but the darn turkey is 17lbs and takes up all the room in the pot. A 5 gal bucket won't fit in the room I have in my secondary fridge which is a combo double drawer fridge/feezer we use for drinks, ice and ice creams. Almost spilled it all over the place.

I am going to have to turn it often to get is absorbed but it should be fine.

Also, started my butternut squash soup ahead of time. Now in the fridge for tomorrow. And I have prepared by Stuesel dough ahead of time. I can't believe I am doing all this for 3 people but it should be fun to see how everything turns out.

Benjamin Franklin

Appalled;

lLOL. I know. These folks will return to their own vomit and lap Romney up, extolling the virtues of the larger chunks, before they will vote for Obama.

I used to laugh at a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat Uncle who would vote for a cocker spaniel, as long as it carried the D Brand.

BR

Sandy and Mel, I just finished reading Heinlein's "Friday," written in 1982. He lists some interesting indicators:

Excerpts from pg 240-242: "What are the marks of a sick culture?"

"... when the people of a country stop identifying themselves with the country and start identifying with a group. A racial group. Or a religion. Or a language. Anything, as long as it isn't the whole population."

"Dominance of males over females..." [Actually, I'd say vice versa. Cavemen actually did pretty well in surviving and protecting their females :)]

"...before a revolution can take place the population must lose faith in both the police and the courts."

"...high taxation... inflation of the currency and the ratio of the productive to those on the public payroll... country on the skids when its income and outgo get out of balance and stay that way--even though there are always endless attempts to wish it away by legislation."

"...little signs... silly-season symptoms... against the law to be naked outside your home. Even in your home of anybody can see in."

Pg 242 has more - I'd gladly type it if anyone is interested.

Last one: "A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others... loss of politeness, of gentle manners...."

*****

Heinlein already saw that in 1982. But I say this time we'll have a selective Dark Ages. Those who continue to push this Marxist abomination on Earth will get their noses rubbed in it so hard, they'll never do it again. Obama, Soros and their masters have their uses, to end this once and for all. The rest of us will survive and have fun.

Melinda Romanoff

NK-

No.

Go read the link above. It was withheld.

Benjamin Franklin

Amazing what deep-cover moles sacrifice in the process.....


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/20/my-life-as-white-supremacist.html


“These people are just plain crazy,” Matthews says. “If they don’t like you, they [would] take you out to have you shot. They don’t care. These people think that if they overthrew the government they’d make a better world. Their world would be a total nightmare.”

Rick Ballard

Who here has ever said they would not vote for T1000? I've taken his measure, looked at his desperate search for the Goldilocks Optimum, reviewed his reliance upon credentialed morons to pick out the middle of the road forward, considered his ongoing battle to not offend the Fuddle and determined that he is definitely not ABO. He carries no marxist taint, only the taint of too much exposure to Northeastern mindrot. I don't believe he'll run as the little man on the wedding cake, I believe he'll run as the "expert" from Bain Wrecking and Salvage.

He's certainly not my first pick but he can beat BOzo and that's all that matters in the end.

Danube of Thought

Lemme axe you people something: How, after 2,100 pages of Dodd-Frank, did the MF Global fiasco occur?

Melinda Romanoff

BR-

I read it when it came out, a riff on "The Crazy Years", IMO.

Appalled

BF:

something about vomit

Um, I would not have expressed myself that way, myself. I think the folks who have said they would support a lawn gnome over Obama have been pretty up front about their aims.

The real problem is that the GOP has no produced a "not-Romney" that looks anything like a President. The fact that Gingrich, Huntsman and Santorum come the closest says something about what the W years did to the GOP bench. If we don't have Romney win in 2012, however, the GOP bench will be spectacular. The issue, then, though, is whether a second Obama term is anything I even want to contemplate.

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