Despite An Abundance Of Pizza...

Herman Cain tells Jimmy Kimmel he has never smoked pot, which opens a whole new line of investigation for our restless media.

And a fifth woman comes forward with a "troubling pattern" story which (per the story-teller herself) doesn't reach the level of harrassment:

A former employee of the United States Agency for International Development says Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain asked her to help arrange a dinner date for him with a female audience member following a speech he delivered nine years ago.

Donna Donella, 40, of Arlington, said the USAID paid Cain to deliver a speech to businessmen and women in Egypt in 2002, during which an Egyptian businesswoman in her 30s asked Cain a question.

"And after the seminar was over," Donella told The Washington Examiner, "Cain came over to me and a colleague and said, 'Could you put me in touch with that lovely young lady who asked the question, so I can give her a more thorough answer over dinner?'"

Donella, who no longer works for USAID, said they were suspicious of Cain's motives and declined to set up the date. Cain responded, "Then you and I can have dinner." That's when two female colleagues intervened and suggested they all go to dinner together, Donella said.

Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said.

The next time the women heard from Cain was Christmas, when he sent them his gospel CD.

Guys - they never call.

Comments

[Clarice]

I like the notion of Gloria Allred deciding elections. Elsewhere (PJM) there are huge fights breaking out on whether questioning dubious charges means we are stooping to the nuts and sluts defense and whether proving our moral superiority means we should not demand a reasonable standard of proof before pitching our men overboard.

Guess which side I'm on.

[narciso]

Al right, the signals seem to lead to Chicago, but the removal of Daley, suggests
the White House is pursuing another strategy
that has been seen before, in the LUN

[narciso]

True, Clarice, what could possibly go wrong having an impartial arbiter as Allred, sigh.
Pajamas has bought a 'whole new set of steak knives' for the occasion,

[matt]

JFK....

William Jefferson Clinton

John Edwards

Where was the media when these men were whoring their way across America?

[centralcal]

Interesting little piece from Sneed about Bialek meeting up with Cain a month ago:

The Cain Encounter ...

They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends.

She grabbed his arm and whispered in his left ear.

She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”

The witness recounting the above (and more) says Sharon has applied for a job at WIND radio where the witness works and that she is due for a 2nd interview Thursday.

Should be interesting.

[rse]

LUN is a story that has caught my attention. When an UN agency that was pulled into my story less than a week ago is referred to as "the most unaccountable, ethically challenged of all UN bureaucratic agencies" we have the making of a huge unappreciated problem.

Kim-I would recommend looking at that mentioned report. I foresee the template for mutual mischief.

[narciso]

Meanwhile back at the ranch,

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/07/grassley-to-white-house-cough-up-lightsquared-docs-or-ill-block-fcc-nominees/

[centralcal]

Yeah, Clarice. I read the Klavan piece yesterday and just rolled my eyes. I think Dr. Helen, today, is spot on.

Today it is Herman Cain (and just a few days ago Marco Rubio) and tomorrow it will be any of the others on the Conservative side. The war has begun and the MFM forward scouts are out prepping and hoping to soften the battlefield.

[Michael Brophy]

If you're comfortable with the guy, it suggests no, it wasn't about sex and it wasn't about caddish behavior, it was just about politics in the Republicans disdain for Clinton. At least Clinton is going to be rehabilitated.

[narciso]

Sigh, they quite haven't figured out 'To Serve Man, its' a Cookbook' cc, In every instances, the media struck at the candidates
strongest point, Sarah's fidelity and honesty,
Rubio's identity as an exile, Cain's management record from the Navy on,

[Jane]

In the other thread you guys were talking about the press conference and Bialek saying: "I have a boyfriend" in response to the alleged groping. To me that sounded like an Alred shortcut for "I am not a racist". I can't imagine anyone who felt she was being sexually attacked responding that way.

[narciso]

Ah, Bennett, did he not learn anything from his experience in Vegas, where 'what happens in Vegas' apparently doesn't stay there.

[narciso]

The NDA apparently isn't worth the paper it's printed on as Joel Bennett is'corroborating' the details, without actually doing so.

[Jack is Back!]

Once you start piling on a guy, others come in to do it too because is looks like so much fun. This is going to become a feeding frenzy and we all know it. Nothing can stop it except to prove they are all opportunistic liars and Cain is an upstanding buy but just a little too warm-hearted and misunderstood.

I do have to think that it is odd that this Bialek woman could not hold a job for more than 6 months in a DC association and then seems to have current problems with money and jobs. I still don't understand why and for what she is coming forward now? How can she make any money off of telling this story more than once?

[Jack is Back!]

::buy:: = ::guy::

Grrrrrrrr!

[Appalled]

Let's see how Cain answers all this stuff on Tuesday. Personally, I can't believe there are that many women interested at having their reputation Carvilled up, which is how this will end for accuser #4. But the emergence of this one seems kind of convenient. (Cain was just about to skate through this, IMHO)

[narciso]

I begin to think, that Van Der Leun was more right when he spoke of the apparatus 'thirsting for death' I bring you a glimpse
from the Malabar, I mean Ahian front, in the LUN

[Threadkiller]

"They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends."

She needed a DNA sample.

[Too Bad He Aint French]

Was there a quid pro quo? Are only homos allowed to have dinner and discuss bidness with dames?

What a joke that Republicans have ZERO pr skills to demolish this walk of the slime ballz!

[OldTimer]

How clever these Chicago Operations, cc. The advance team making sure Sharon had 'witnesses' at the event to establish her Cain, Tea Party and 'Republican' credentials; the hugs and appearance of familiarity backstage. Excellent example of how to set up a political scandal sure to cripple, if not destroy the enemy. Her pay-off would be substantial and well hidden, not so much from the retelling of the narrative.

The less politically attentive will be convinced from the first national interview. And that's the point

[Threadkiller]

The movie will be called Enema of the State.

[narciso]

My 8: 21 LUN, suggest they are going with a scorched earth plan, that was tried out in Guernica,

[narciso]

Who is still giving her advice, Huma, because it seems illadvised:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/clinton-u-s-will-work-with-arab-springs-islamist-parties/

[hit and run]

Not caught up on the threads,so who knows if this has already been said (but even if it has,it is worth saying again)...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAPTAIN HATE!!!

[narciso]

That seems a little on the harsh side of things;

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/islamic-seminary-issues-fatwa-on-birthdays/

[Extraneus]

HBCH!

[narciso]

Ok, that part of the list was lost in transit,
Happy birthday, Captain.

[Danube of Thought]

"it wasn't about sex and it wasn't about caddish behavior"

Sure wasn't. In the case of Juanita Broaddrick, it was about forcible rape. In the case of Monica, merely a blow job from a subordinate in the Oval Office followed by perjury. These are felonies.

[Danube of Thought]

Minus 18 at Raz today.

[centralcal]

Happy Birthday, Captain H!

[centralcal]

Nope, minus 19, DoT!

[Threadkiller]

CH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Y_Oh1Xb10

:-)

[Jane]

Happy B-day Capn'! Have a great one!

[narciso]

The thing about Ulsterman, is that they tell us things we already know, if they told us ahead of time it would be worth something;

[Melinda Romanoff]

The Daley twist today is certainly telling. ValJar's contempt of the Daley wing of the Democratic party can catch you off guard, to say the least.

[narciso]

Why just graze the Iceberg, when you can steer
right into it:

[Dave (in MA)]

Hey Jane, how about that new MA congressional map? I guess they gave up pretending that Barney's district wasn't gerrymandered to a ridiculous degree. His new map looks more like the Energizer Bunny than Herb Moses' lower GI tract now; it doesn't have any 1 town wide sections snaking through less safe areas connecting Volvo Land with the Chourizo district any more. And isn't it conveeenient how the 9th happens to include the town where Keating's "cottage" is so he won't have to carpetbag himself a seat twice in 2 years?

[peter]

HBCH and many more!

[Porchlight]

Happy birthday, Cap'n! Have a great one!

[narciso]

So, DAve 'this is what democracy looks like'
the fact that we have a bill, named after 'Dillinger' is disturbing enough

[narciso]

Argh, seeing what Roger Waters is doing, they
might have needed more education, and less thought control.

[Benjamin Franklin]

"though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said......."

Say, what?

"The next time the women heard from Cain was Christmas, when he sent them his gospel CD."

Well, ok, then....

[GMAX]

So you show up at an event where a person who supposedly traumatized you is speaking and you go up and embrace him? And continue to hold his arm and whisper in his ear.

You know I must be pretty naive, cuz that does not sound like an aggrieved and traumatized woman to me. I think this whole thing is a David Axelrod orchestrated smear.

[narciso]

Irony it's what for dinner:

http://dougpowers.com/2011/11/06/roger-waters/

Sounds like Anita Hill, doesn't it,

[Jane]

Eric Holder is a piece of shit. I'm watching his opening statement on Cspan.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks guys; I went and voted this morning and it seems like the polls were more crowded than usual for an off-year election. There were a couple union humps with signs outside the legal limits of where they were supposed to be; since it was my birthday and I was feeling charitable, I didn't give them a throatslash.

[Clarice]

HB,CH

[Dave (in MA)]

Narc, yeah I want to pay $1K to see him rehash his 32 year old Orwell disco album in a stadium with a bunch of hired session musicians. Rawk!

[BB Key]

Jane, how do you like the preformance of his buddy C'man Leahy...

[Dave (in MA)]

Happy B-day, Captain.

[Benjamin Franklin]

On the Pink Floyd guy and the reaction to his support of OWS....I remembered......

When Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn were discussing the uncooperative attitude of Dashiell Hammett, Cohn wanted his head on a stick, but Joe was reluctant.."I don't know. Hammett is a pretty good writer".

[narciso]

Meanwhile our own Big Dig is proceeding sort of, well one of these days

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/07/2491610/port-of-miami-tunnel-boring-could.html

[DebinNC]

Best wishes, CH.

Holder's testifying, Paterno's weekly presser is this afternoon, followed by Cain's presser to say who knows what. Thank goodness the FCC's first ever national shut-off-all-radio-tv event isn't until tomorrow.

[narciso]

Meanwhile South of the Border, well the same shenanigans that Carter would give his blessing to:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/07/2491469/ortega-could-have-won-fairly-but.html

[Jane]

BB,

I missed most of the leahy remarks as I am working - so to speak. But that guy is a slime.

[narciso]

Yet Podesta and Schulz, the DOJ zampolit, served under him, 'unexpectedly'

[Jack is Back!]

Happy Birthday, Captain!

This is one just for you:)

[Old Lurker]

Happy Birthday, Captain. Nice to see one can grow old parenting a dancer.

[DebinNC]

Not wanting to neglect other Rep candidates while they try to bring down Cain, the NYT reports on a recent example of Romney's aloofness, complete with a named "accuser". It's hilarious.

[narciso]

Meh, I think deciding not go on 'Center Seat'
is a little more significant, but Mike 'Iceberg' Murphy knows best

[Captain Hate]

Thanks again, all; OL I think it ages one prematurely. She hasn't danced for a while though; being more busy being a Mom. The younger Hatette, the Columbia grad, is home for a while; I think she ages me more rapidly.

[Jack is Back!]

narciso,

Not even tiny bit close to the Big Dig or officially known as the Central Artery Tunnel Project. But what is similar is where to put the spoil. On CAT they had to redo the EIS because they were going to dump it at sea. OOoooh, can't do that - who knows what was spilled into that mud and soil over the years. That took 2 years off the project before they settled on Spectecle Island as a disposal site.

[narciso]

We got a French firm as the primary contractor on the project, which has done similar tunneling in Cuba, 'golpe de palma'

[narciso]

Brain slug says 'No Mas, honestly

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-karen-finney-will-gop-rally-around-cain-despite-accuser-being-a-white-woman/

[Old Lurker]

Mine remains on the dole too, Cap'n. She is still dancing in the NY-Conn area, but having just finished Post Bac Pre Med at Columbia she is waiting to hear which Med School will have her. YL is beginning to wonder if I am contemplating an equalizing adjustment in my will...

Kids.

[Captain Hate]

Seriously, when does the circular logic of that Finney dimwit tighten around her neck and shut off all oxygen to that tiny brain?

[Dave (in MA)]

The Big Dig started out at ~$2B and ballooned to over $20B. Let's hope that FL's version comes in a lot cheaper and less lethal than that.

[JM Hanes]

Jane:

"I can't imagine anyone who felt she was being sexually attacked responding that way."

I don't think she was describing anything as serious as an actual sexual "attack." I certainly can't imagine you responding the way she did, but I can imagine a woman being so nonplussed that she said the first thing she could think of, even if it sounds stupid in hindsight. There are plenty of reasons to be cynical about her sudden appearance (with Gloria Alred lending her usual encouragement), without testing her reaction against what folks imagine about how they think she ought to have responded. If that's the standard, though, don't you think she'd have made up a better story, if she were flat out lying about it to start with?

[narciso]

Paddy Chaveysky is screaming in the ether captain, I intended it as a cautionary tale, not a guide;

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/11/quizzing-occupy-wall-street-protesters.html

[nodoubt]

"Then you and I can have dinner."

Yup, asking someone out on a date = sexual harassment, no doubt about it!

[BB Key]

Deb, thanks for the link it was humurous. However, I found the following example of the new tone of civility...'Should he survive long enough...replaced with Secret Service detail'

[Captain Hate]

OL, the dancer worked in NY long enough to get in state rates for Hunter, where she was able to get a BA & MA and I then gave her the balance of the funds that had been put aside for her education. The one that went to Columbia dug me a pretty deep hole (actually from the pricey private school she attended pre-college which provided a good preamble to college expenses).

[Clarice]

Real Clear Politics:

Martha MacCallum, FOX News: "One of the things is that you lived at a 505 North Lake Shore Drive apartment, right? This is the same building, it happens to be the same building David Axelrod lives in. Do you know David Axelrod? Ever have any interaction with him at all?

Sharon Bialek, Cain accuser: "I saw him in the gym. I mean -- everybody nods to each other. It is friendly building but I never had any interaction with him."

[DebinNC]

The NYT sport page has a story about Jerry Sandusky's "reputation lying in tatters". Noting he played at Penn State, it then says:

"Sandusky graduated first in his class when he received a bachelor of science degree in health and physical education."

A pe major is first in his class? I didn't know that was possible, especially at a major state university.

[henry]

OT, the Rhodes Scholar Committee is up to its usual stupidity. Per msnbc, the Yale quarterback has to choose between playing in The Game (vs Harvard) or going to the Rhodes Scholarship interview. This is even worse than the RSC practice the past 35 years of picking casual intramural participants as scholar athletes. Ugh. Even the Harvard guy that pointed this out thought the RSC was stupid on this.

[Threadkiller]

Just a guy in the neighborhood...

[narciso]

Wasn't Whizzer White, a Rhodes Scholar and a Football star

http://articles.courant.com/2011-11-07/sports/hc-yale-qb-1108-20111107_1_yale-quarterback-patrick-witt-yale-coach-tom-williams-yale-bowl

[Danube of Thought]

What am I missing, Ccal?

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18."

[narciso]

Well that explains it:

White attended the University of Colorado at Boulder on a scholarship.[2] He joined the Phi Gamma Delta fraternity[3] and served as student body president his senior year.[2] Graduating in 1938, he won a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford and, after having deferred it for a year to play football, he went on to attend Hertford College, Oxford.[4]
[edit] Football

[MayBee]

Happy birthday to the only Hate I adore (besides schadenfreude!)

xoxoxo

[MayBee]

Jane- please live blog the Holder smolder.

[Clarice]

It would be nice if someone asked her if she'd ever sued or threatened to sue one of the many employers Bialek has had in the past 13 years for sexual harassment.

http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2011/11/07/sharon-bailek-remembered-by-a-co-worker-as-a-time-waster-and-rabble-rouser-if-she-didnt-get-her-way-she-cried-sexual-harassment/

[Melinda Romanoff]

Clarice-

Heh.

[Thomas Collins]

Happy Birthday, Captain Hate. Are you going anywhere to party it up?

[MayBee]

Questioning charges isn't nuts and sluts. It's always wise.

Nuts and sluts is calling someone a nut or a slut with no basis- or planting rumors that someone is a nut/slut and then pointing the press to those rumors (hello, Begala and Carville)!

[centralcal]

Not sure, DoT: This was Scott Rasmussen's Tweet earlier this morning:

Scott Rasmussen
Obama: Strongly Approve: 21%... Strongly Disapprove 39%... Approval Index: -19... Total Approval: 45%... tinyurl.com/preztrack

[Thomas Collins]

My sense is that Old Timer has this one nailed. It's a Chicago operation hit job. Actually, it's to be expected. Any operation that get two sets of sealed divorce records unsealed can easily pull a caper like this off.

[narciso]

I was thinking the closest parallel to Witt, was this fellow;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Dawkins

[henry]

Thanks narciso. I just see the winners in the alumni mag, then use it to start a fire.

[Captain Hate]

Are you going anywhere to party it up?

We're going to Fisher's Tavern on SOM Center just north of Wilson Mills if you know where that is from your time in the area; I've driven by it a number of times going to North Chagrin Reservation (plus I used to work not too far from there on my first consulting gig at Cole National) and I've always been intrigued by it. Mrs H works with a couple people that have been there and they give it fairly high marks.

[Thomas Collins]

I think the GOP nominee is going to need a campaign operation with the vison of how things are of a Machiavelli, the ability to collect info of a J. Edgar Hoover, and the ability to run off the books operations of a Wild Bill Donovan. The Obama operatives in the 2012 election are going to make the operatives of Nixon's called the Plumbers look like a group of Sufis having tea and chanting Rumi's poems.

[Captain Hate]

A pe major is first in his class? I didn't know that was possible, especially at a major state university.

A PE major has to take some fairly rigorous courses imo. I can think of quite a few majors that are much easier to attain.

[centralcal]

Clarice: I was watching TV when Martha McCallum brought up the Axelrod/Bialek living in the same apartment building.

McCallum also asked Bialek specifically how she came to hire Allred as her attorney. She said her "ex-boyfriend" from 15 years ago (just contacted her out of the blue?) recommended she go to Allred. I think this ex-boyfriend needs some looking into - what are his "connections" in Chicago-land?

[Danube of Thought]

Whizzer White was a running back for the Detroit Lions and I believe he led the NFL in rushing one year (haven't Googled).

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, I do remember the area, CH, although I don't remember Fisher's Tavern. I used to party it up in Flats comedy clubs, which then had the greatest politically incorrect acts.

[Captain Hate]

Nixon's plumbers was such a half-assed operation LBJ wouldn't have even bothered Moyers to coordinate it.

[Danube of Thought]

What always mystifies me is, what does Allred actually do for her clients?

[Jane]

don't you think she'd have made up a better story, if she were flat out lying about it to start with?

JMH,

I dunno, if I were about to set a trap for someone I'd want to cover all the bases. I have no doubt they met for dinner, and have no idea what happened after that. And if I were a lefty I'd certainly want to pre-empt any accusations of racism, so that line sort of kills 2 birds with one stone. I noticed she was reading her statement which I guess is to be expected.

I was trying to think last night how it would resonate with me if the shoe was on the other foot - Bill Clinton as Herman Cain. I certainly would not give any benefit of the doubt. But I still think it is a very weird statement.

[DebinNC]

I'm warming to Romney...non-sexually of course.

[Captain Hate]

TC you were here when the Flats were really booming; it went bust a while ago.