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November 21, 2011



Yes. We have no family gathering without a ham.

Same here, Sue. My now mostly Italian-ish family expect ham for every holiday as one of the entrees, except for Christmas Eve.

My mother also always varied the Christmas Day fowl served: turkey or goose or duckling or game hens, etc. I was always boring and stuck to turkey. Now with so many grown children and in-laws I haven't had to cook TG dinner for several years.


Plus as a non-musical aside, it really takes a fool to marry Julia Roberts.

An utterly inexplicable lapse in judgement, CH. Matched only by her inexplicable over-ratedness as an actress, save, perhaps as a porn starlet.

Melinda Romanoff

Been there.

No fun. That dementia anger twist is a doozy. Now everybody has to work hard to keep up the happy-happy. Best of luck to you, and prayers for your family and stamina.

Ralph L

I regret it now
Very hard on the back if she's not a dwarf. Did you toss her far?

My grandmother wouldn't serve any dinner without 2 meats, but she'd grown up in her mother's hotel. My SIL's mother has at least 4 desserts. She'd grown up in a Brooklyn deli.


I brought up earlier Kappes, until last year, the Company's number 2 man, Kaddafi's lifeline, was involved in a unfortunate situation that compromised a whole Iranian network out of Frankfurt, seemingly that did
stop him from promotions to other post. Weisman's roman a clef, KBL, seems to paint him as a good egg, And his underling, Sulick had a similar foulup during the Kosovo war, that didn't stop them from sticking the shiv in Porter Goss, in fact they recovered their old jobs because of it.


Whoopie doo! I had completely forgotten there is another debate - tomorrow night - CNN and Heritage Foundation.

Sorry to hear about your mother-in-law, Sue. Not about you tossing her out, but about her dementia.



That is absolutely disgusting.


Thanks Mel. I jokingly refer to it as her final guilt trip to me from her. Her anger was always present so it didn't seem any different that year than any other. By the time we realized she had Alzheimers, I could just as easily have apologized to the moon with the same results. If she had not been diagnosed with Alzheimers, I would never even consider apologizing. ::sigh::


All this food talk is making me hungry.

And speaking of the holidays-baked a loaf of bananna bread and a pumpkin pie yesterday.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Yes. We have no family gathering without a ham. My brother would commit acts of violence otherwise. And hardly anyone in my family likes turkey.

My daughter-in-law, a farm gal from So. Missouri, would join your brother. We have a 23 lb turkey and she wants to add ham as a side-dish. To tell the truth, I don't care. I want everyone to be happy and have a good meal, so I will provide a nice spiral cut ham on the sideboard for those who prefer to pig out on ham or ham and turkey.

Ignatz: My d-i-l recoils in horror when I put Miracle Whip on a ham sandwich. I don't like either mustard or ketchup. My son grosses me out because he likes thousand island dressing on his ham (or any kind) sandwiches.


My comment seems wildly incongruent with the direction of the thread.

Sorry Sue.

Ralph L

We thought my grandmother had Alzheimers, but she was just pretending my step-mother didn't exist. She put a sticker with my name on her best antiques a month before my dad remarried. At 90, Grandma got her number before anyone else.


Good country ham belongs on biscuits with honey mustard. And, no, that is not an old family recipe.



I don't want the direction of the thread to go anywhere but light hearted. I baked banana bread last night too. And I am baking cornbread for cornbread dressing. You have to cook it ahead of time so that it gets dry and soaks up the chicken broth.


This is a brief review of his career, up until he was selected, defended Bert Lance,
investigated D'Amato, was counsel to the Senate Ethics committee, stop laughing

Benjamin Franklin

It is amazing how sectored the outrage of the Right remains. Theirs is a homage to selective perception, with all things political.
Even when the evidence of rising sewage invades their senses, they spray some Fabreze and declare it neutralized. Corruption is an invention of the Democrats and they are the first to forgive themselves for any part of the responsibility. This is not to say all of you suffer this blessing/malady. Some of you have a balanced view of events, ideology and morality. The rest, not so much.


"If we trace liberal disappointment with President Obama to its origins, to try to pinpoint the moment when his crestfallen supporters realized that this was Not Change They Could Believe In, the souring probably began on December 17, 2008, when Obama announced that conservative Evangelical pastor Rick Warren would speak at his inauguration. “Abominable,” fumed John Aravosis on AmericaBlog. “Obama’s ‘inclusiveness’ mantra always seems to head only in one direction—an excuse to scorn progressives and embrace the Right,” seethed Salon’s Glenn Greenwald. On MSNBC, Rachel Maddow rode the story almost nightly: “I think the problem is getting larger for Barack Obama.” Negative 34 days into the start of the Obama presidency, the honeymoon was over.

Since then, the liberal gloom has only deepened, as Obama compromise alternated with Obama failure. Liberals speak of Obama in unceasingly despairing terms. “I’m exhausted [from] defending you,” one supporter confessed to Obama at a town-hall meeting last year."



LOL. I'm going to do that when I get older. Pretend I don't remember doing it so I can say anything to anyone and get away with it. Hopefully, it will really be pretend.

Jack is Back!


You convinced me. I have decided to brine my fresh organic no-additives free range turkey. Am using your recipe with a few adjustments. Don't have allspice berries or juniper berries but I do have some very nice black mustard seed, fennel see and coriander seed which I ground into the mix. Used fine french sea salt and raw sugar.

Instead of your rub I am going with a similar herb-butter rub but as a basting instead of under the skin. Baby steps, don't ya know.

Regarding lobbying. I was registered for 5 years for my company both congress and Federal. And I'll bet that except for the Clean Air Act and maybe some Ex-Im work, I never got past the 20% threshold on the other activities but I in the total overall I was reporting. The thing about lobbying and especially reporting is that someone like Newt can be hired to make one phone call for a client and not meet the requirements for reporting. This is how the so called bundlers work. Their firms do the lobbying, spent the client time with the committee, member, agency,etc. but the bundler does the strategy, networking outside to the client interests and prepares the legislative language if needed.

The lobbying rules are such that you can be influential to a max without having to register and/or report.

Back in the day all one needed anway was a bar seat at Duke Zeibert's or The Monocle in order to put in a scotch soaked plug:)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Good country ham belongs on biscuits with honey mustard.

I always forget about honey-mustard. Just as an aside, the first time I ever ate honey mustard was on a delicious spinach salad while on the Potomac River Dinner Cruise in DC. The salad also had mandarin oranges and walnuts on it. Heavenly. Can you buy honey mustard in a jar or do you make your own?

Benjamin Franklin

One of your own (albeit with nothing to lose) calls out BOTH parties over a pet peeve. It's a shame her Tea Party waited for a black democrat to enter the WH before sounding the alarm.


Reporting from Urbandale, Iowa— Michele Bachmann goes after not only Democrats but also fellow Republicans in her new book, accusing former President George W. Bush and her GOP colleagues in Congress of failing to stay true to conservative, free-market principles when they supported the $700-billion Wall Street bailout.

"The Bush administration … was embracing a kind of 'bailout socialism,' " wrote the Minnesota congresswoman, who is running for the GOP presidential nomination. "It was painful to find out John McCain too favored the TARP bailout. … Here was no ‘maverick’ moment. The same disappointing stance was taken by the Republican leadership in the House."

"I knew there was no way I could vote for it, because I couldn’t find authority for it in the Constitution,” Bachmann continued. “As a constitutional conservative, I put principle over party."


I'm not cooking this Thanksgiving and you are all making me a little jealous and very hungry.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

“I’m exhausted [from] defending you,” one supporter confessed to Obama at a town-hall meeting last year."

I can relate, just not about Obama. ;)


My Thanksgiving Day menu:

Cornbread dressing (we don't stuff)
Giblet gravy
Fresh cranberries and canned (for my hubby, he likes the can indents on his cranberry sauce)
Creamed potatoes (no lumps)
Black-eyed peas
Corn casserole
Green beans wrapped in bacon (for my brothers)
Fruit salad (for my hubby, his mother always made it for him, bananas, oranges, apples, pecans and whipped cream)
Italian cream cheese cake

My niece will bring Death by Chocolate and broccoli and rice casserole. My daughter will bring a sweet potato dish and pumpkin pie. My sister in law will bring some kind of jello dish (no one eats it but she brings it anyway) and my sister just shows up. My other sister in law brings rolls and ice. I provide the tea. Liquor and beer is bring your own.

Benjamin Franklin

Another political club.......;.'mashie niblick?'


But in a political climate where talk of the earthly kind of climate can be radioactive, the answer in last week’s budget deal was “no.” Congress barred NOAA from launching what the agency bills as a “one-stop shop” for climate information.

Demand for such data is skyrocketing, NOAA administrator Jane Lubchenco told Congress earlier this year. Farmers are wondering when to plant. Urban planners want to know whether groundwater will stop flowing under subdivisions. Insurance companies need climate data to help them set rates.

But the climate service, first floated under President George W. Bush, became predictably politicized.


The next time you come to DC, I promise to make you turkey, Jane. BTW, too bad about Caro and Steyn. I really feel for you.


I really feel for you.

I heard your cackle all the way down here in Texas, Clarice.


It is going to come to the point where we have no one willing to be a police officer. We are already there with president.

I think that too, Sue. The mayors of the cities that allowed the OWS insanity to escalate should be thrown out. Allow lawlessness & anarchy & then punish a policeman? Doesn't make any sense.

Jack is Back!


That reminds me. With all the bacon craze lately, I am surprised no one has come up with a bacon wrapped turkey recipe....until now:)

As Insty would say: Is there anything bacon can't do?

Benjamin Franklin

Let the Pelosi bashing begin..........


"A common theme in the responses was the availability of high quality day care – for the fortunate few who have access to it. As one reader wrote in,.

When we were shopping around for daycares, the most prevalent thing we noticed is that you get what you pay for. Some of the daycares we visited, that were much more affordable, were awful. Dark, toys weren't engaging, low pay for teachers so the turn-around was high, etc. … I thank God we're fortunate enough to afford decent care, but it's the same thing in day care as it is in life - only the privileged are among the lucky to get good services.
Another reader wrote in about his wife, who runs a day care out of their home and seems like exactly the sort of person all of us would want in charge of our children: She has a master’s in early childhood education, carefully plans a curriculum for the kids in her charge, and has won some local awards for quality. Her take-home pay? About $28,000 a year – before taxes. The reader concluded:

Based on her earlier experiences from working at a larger daycare center, she would certainly earn significantly less than this if she were just a center staff member. Fortunately, I earn enough that her income is not our main source. However, for most of those who work in larger institutionalized daycare centers there is precious little economic incentive to become a dedicated professional. Until we value children’s “first two years” and formative experiences as much as we do public education we will continue to have a minority of truly excellent daycare options."



Doesn't make sense to me either. They wanted anarchy, they got it. Welcome to the party.

Benjamin Franklin

"It is going to come to the point where we have no one willing to be a police officer. We are already there with president."

We just need better psychological screening...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

That sounds good, Sue.

We are having:

Turkey with oyster stuffing in the small end, walnut stuffing at the other end. Plus dry stuffing in a casserole for those of us who don't like it wet out of the turkey.
Mashed yams with pineapple, brown sugar and topped with marshmallows
Mashed potatoes for my d-i-l
String beans in butter with slivered almonds
Blueberry-pineapple jelled salad topped with an icing of cream cheese and whipped cream mixture
Giblet gravy
French rolls
Whole and jellied cranberries
Green and black olives, bread & butter pickles, and jellied onions as condiments.
Pecan pie with homemade fresh whipped cream

Jim Miller

Rick Ballard - Thanks for the news on MF Global (which I just used for a post)>

This latest does make me wonder, though: Did Corzine's New Jersey defeat make him more reckless, more willing to take big risks in order to prove he still was a great trader?



The easiest way to find out about potential scandals is to read the other side's blogs. Just as whistleblowers tend to be the cranky coworker who can't get on with anyone, the people who are best at revealing scandals are political players with an axe to grind.


Sounds yummy, Sue, and most of the menu sounds identical to the menu I was raised on before getting married.

Black-eyed peas - I remember fondly (not the dried ones, the fresh ones). My parents always had a garden and we always had black-eyed peas that included lots of green snaps. Delicious. I have always wondered why with all the produce in California, you never see the fresh black-eyed peas when they are in season in the grocery stores. There used to be growers in the Tracy area with huge fields of them, but they didn't harvest them when still tender and green. Does anyone ever see them at a Farmer's Market? I suppose not. They seem to be lost to modern culinary pleasure.

(Another) Barbara

Well WF had most of AB's spices but the new Penzey's store had them all so we are good to go.

I've been in mourning for a few months, ever since reading in my Penzey's catalog about the owner's support for the unionists at WI's state capitol and his dissing of Scott Walker, (Penzey's is an old family-owned Wisconsin company and the current president is the son of the company's founder.)

What to do? What to do?

I've been an avid customer of Penzey's for many years. Their herbs and spices are fresh and wonderful, and with every catalog order you get little surprises in the box -- sample jars of things you've never bought but may have wanted to try.

I can't tell you how torn I am over this, and have not placed an order since I read the owner's editorial statement. Wrote him a letter saying he should not have felt compelled to mix politics with his products, thus alienating good customers like me, but never got a response.


Is TM going to take on the Frum article that is getting so much play today?

If not -- what are the JOM commentariat thoughts? Does Frum have a point about the alternate reality weaved by Fox News and talk show hosts? Are we seeing the formation of the same sort of "cocoon" among righties that the NYT and related media spins around the left?

Or, is Frum conflating things? Is he mixing up Limbaugh with Palin? Is he a disenchanted big government consertvative who does not understand the hinterlands revulsion against big government?

Just curious...I am going to stay out of the discussion for now.

Benjamin Franklin

Appalled; You and I may be the only ones here who seek out the other side.

btw; talking to me is the sure path to exile.


A(B), from what I hear he got a lot of those letters.


You can buy all that stuff elsewhere, AB..Here's one.http://www.thespicehouse.com/?gclid=CKL4s43iyKwCFcZM4AodkVbtqg


I heard your cackle all the way down here in Texas, Clarice.

Is that what that was?




I buy them frozen now but the idea is a left-over from my grandmother's garden. We always had black-eyed peas for Thanksgiving that she had put up from the summer before.


Frum is Canadian. Send his fat waluras ass back to the frozen north.


I had forgotten that AB. They won't be my source for Telicherry. My family gets annoyed it has to be a certain black pepper.

OK I need some advice from anyone who has had a child apply early decision. I had heard that one way the schools tell you you are on track without officially breaking the rules is to have coaches contact you to see if you have any questions.

Anyone with any experience? Red is having some minor complications from this summer's surgery and stress is not her friend. Good news would be welcome around here. First time in more than 10 years we are not at beach.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Is there anything bacon can't do?

Apparently not.


Turkey with oyster stuffing in the small end, walnut stuffing at the other end.

I have no idea what either of those stuffings are. I need to branch out, but my family would form a revolution if I did.

Rick Ballard

Jim Miller,

I'm sort of loathe to turn my thoughts from giblet gravy and fresh cranberry sauce to Jon Corzine but I have some doubt as to the depth of his involvement in the actual MF Global bet that busted the company. It is clear that he laid careful groundwork for robbing MF Global clients fair and square

On July 20, 2010, Ms. Ferber, along with MF Global president and former Goldman Sachs CEO, Jon Corzine, appeared in two private meetings with high level CFTC officials, including another former Goldman Sachs CEO, Gary Gensler, to discuss the proposed rule changes. The same day, the CFTC announced in the Federal Register (footnote 4) that the proposed changes to Rule 1.25 governing customer funds would not be addressed and "may be subject to future [CFTC] rulemaking."
but I have yet to see a tick tock on his involvement in the actual trade that put the firm under. He knew about it in a general sense and I'm sure he approved it but I'm not sure he actually understood it. The fellas that jerked the carpet out from under him really did understand it but I'm not at all sure that they knew the extent to which he was betting client rather than firm money.


Sara, you can buy honey mustard--most mustard companies--like grey poupon--make it. Recipes for honey mustard sauce, vinaigrette etc are all over the IT.

Benjamin Franklin

"Frum is Canadian. Send his fat waluras ass back to the frozen north."

Don't you want to eat his liver with a fine chianti and some nice fava beans?

At least he is doing some penance for his past role in the Drums along the Tigris-Euphrates.

Benjamin Franklin

Most of the crap in stores called 'honey' mustard is made with
corn syrup, rather than honey. Make your own 2 parts Grey Poupon, 1 part honey.


preaching to the converted is the nature of American media for the most part these days. The trick is to parse the facts from the spin.

The conventional wisdom is conventional, but not necessarily wise.Most of what passes for news today is received wisdom or simply talking points put out by one group or another.

The other part is that most of the usual suspects all live within the East Coast bubble or it's Midwestern or Western commissariats. With the insidious conformity of the internet, We have more capabilities to learn than ever before but a real homogeneity of product.

As to Thanksgiving, we have a heritage turkey that will begin soaking tonight and everyone in the family, including our Asperger's son will participate for the first time this year. I'm doing greens and beans.

It's exciting!

Melinda Romanoff


Last note on this, I believe diagnoses of early onset dementia are commonly referred to as Alzheimer's diagnoses, but I think the only way to definitively get that information is "after the fact". The amyloid clustering and resultant damage eludes most imaging. Chaco and DrJ can school me otherwise, if need be, but I have to be very precise about this with clients in this situation.

Still rough on all parties.

Ralph L

Don't have juniper berries
Use the distillation.
Save some for the turkey.

Fruit salad (bananas, oranges, apples, pecans and whipped cream)
We (too rarely) used my other grandmother's recipe with marshmallows instead of bananas, coated in a thin custard and then the whipped cream. Yum.

(Another) Barbara

I'm so proud of you, JiB, for taking the leap. Be sure to report back later. The brine is the critical part because it entirely changes the character of the turkey into a moist, dense, deeply flavored meat. Leaving out the juniper berries probably won't make a big difference (the French, as you probably know,use juniper berries to add a bit of game flavor to meat) but if you can get to a grocer within the next couple of days, the allspice really adds fragrance and taste.

But if you don't, it'll be delicious anyway I'm sure. Mama proud!

Ralph L


Benjamin Franklin

Banks aren't the only ones playing with hidden fees. Checked you water bill by item? Cell? How about trash and sewer? It's like those 'As sold on TV' doodads. 'We'll send not just one, but two, for the low price of...' plus shipping and handling on EACH item, many time the equal of the doodad cost.

Caveat Emptor


"The nation's 10 biggest banks could stand to lose as much as $185 billion in deposits in the next year due to customer defections, according to cg42, a Wilton, Conn.-based management consulting firm that has conducted research for several of the nation's top banks. The top 10 banks hold a total of $2.04 trillion retail deposits (deposits made by consumers and small businesses), according to data from cg42, which is based on each bank's annual report.

'I dumped my bank!'

The firm, which surveyed nearly 6,000 bank customers between June 23 and July 25 (well before the Bank of America debit card fee brouhaha), said the main reasons customers would close their account and take their money elsewhere included frustration with customer service, fees and other unfair charges.
Out of all the big banks, Bank of America is the most vulnerable and could lose up to 10% of its customers and $42 billion in consumer deposits in the next year, the survey found. The bank's total retail deposits stand at $407 billion (while total deposits, including corporate deposits and deposits from other financial institutions, amount to nearly $1 trillion, according to FDIC data).
A spokeswoman for the bank declined to comment on the findings of cg42's report.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Turkey with oyster stuffing in the small end, walnut stuffing at the other end.


MY oyster stuffing is down and dirty. Cornbread stuffing with a can of oysters thrown in, pretty much.

I have an elaborate recipe for oyster stuffing passed down from my Greatgrandmother, but it is one of those recipes from the turn of the last century that practically starts with: Go to the Bay and find some oysters, kind of thing. It ends with after plucking and gutting, wash, salt and stuff.

I'm not into diving for oysters or plucking or gutting birds, so I use my trusty can opener. :) Like you though, I do make my own cornbread and regular bread for the stuffing and let it dry out for several days beforehand.

Melinda Romanoff


Corzine knew. He signed the quaterlies and the CME reports. What was done would be done at the CFO level and up, no one would willing send the wires without that level of clearance. I don't think anyone BELOW those levels knew what they were up to, except some specific traders.

Jack is Back!

I always get David Frum mixed up with Bob Schrum and Robert Crumb. So, don't ask me what I think.

But I will tell you this - OMG = ABO.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Thank you Clarice. I think we are adding a 2nd salad. Some of those recipes are mouth watering.

Ralph L

let it dry out for several days
I freeze the bread, cube it, spread it on a cookie tray in a warm oven with the door cracked. I can't plan that far ahead.



My mother made fruit salad one year for my husband and put marshmallows instead of bananas. Almost caused a D-I-V-O-R-C-E. I took over the making of the fruit salad and at some point, I took over the making of the turkey, ham, dressing....smart mama, no?




The last time I worked with Alzheimer's was about a decade ago, but then what you state is right. The plaques and tangles are evident only retrospectively.

There has been quite some work done on PET scans that note the difference in glucose metabolism in the brain when Alzheimer's is present.

Indeed, I worked with a company that was seeking to commercialize this as a very early-stage method to detect Alzheimer's. That company didn't work (don't ask), but I'd be very surprised if other functional imaging methods have not progressed to the point where they are useful.



Whatever it is, it is cruel.


Only one had a modicum of talent, of those three, JiB, I was struck that this wasn't already sop re; accounts. Now I understand
that at one time, like Bud Fox's pitch in Wall Street, Eurodebt was good relatively speaking as compared to good old American debt
(which is really Chinese anyway( but it's been long since time to dump it,

Now all these supporters of OWS, like Moore, Maher (as the Beast will have us know) 'Matt Damon' they never give a month
or a picture's net wage, toward the cause
they care so dear for,

Captain Hate

Matched only by her inexplicable over-ratedness as an actress, save, perhaps as a porn starlet.

From her role in "Pretty Woman" she might have an aptitude for that type of work but she might need some work on the cans. So I've been led to believe from others more conversant in such things...


You're welcome, Sara.

Sue, the foods you ate as a child on special feast days take on a significance above and beyond their taste for almost everyone.Even if here's a way to make an old favorite better--quenelles over gefilte fish, for example--people want it just the way grandma's tasted.It's as if you psychologically you could bring back good times and loved ones by eating what you ate a long time ago,

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I can't plan that far ahead.

Ralph: I used your method many times during my working years. Although, one year, I had to work on Thanksgiving and my husband was at home trying to fix a Thanksgiving dinner by telephone. He called me in a panic because he thought I forgot to buy any stuffing. He hadn't looked in the oven, where I'd left the bread the night before to dry out. Then when he found it, he couldn't figure out how to use it, since it didn't come out of a box.


--Is he a disenchanted big government consertvative who does not understand the hinterlands revulsion against big government? Just curious...I am going to stay out of the discussion for now.--

Yes he is.
What's to discuss?

Benjamin Franklin

Someone is 'sullying' your reputation. I am willing to stipulate Dems take half the blame. You; not so much..


"Given the GOP's total opposition to any serious net revenue increases, this failure was predictable. It's also a wretched sign of the Republican willingness - indeed eagerness - to torpedo the entire economy to defeat Barack Obama. For me, the key test will be the effectiveness of the trigger, especially on defense. If the Congress rescinds its own promise to cut defense and entitlements through sequestration after this failure, they're telling the world we're the same as Greece: incapable of putting our fiscal house in order. The needless tragedy of this country's right-wing intransigence would become a dangerous farce."

Captain Hate

Now all these supporters of OWS, like Moore

The Occupoopers know that Mike al-Moor does his best to lowball his film crew so as to not pay union scale wages, no? I mean these are highly educated people, right?


Aarg, they were running a not so recent film of hers the other day, 'Duplicity' it was barely adequate. Then again she was party to the Ellen Brockavich scam, which had similar
apparel choices, At

Sara (Pal2Pal)

the foods you ate as a child on special feast days take on a significance above and beyond their taste for almost everyone

Ain't that the truth. I tried to change up the blueberry salad one year and the complaints were so loud, I ended up in the kitchen throwing it together and hoping it would jell in the hour the turkey was resting and I was making gravy and mashing potatoes.


And we'll throwing in Tom Friedman and Mega McCain. Among the three of them there is enough blubber to feed a sluth of polar bears and a poor Intuit village for years.

Jack is Back!


Of course, Crumb took an off-ramp to France because W was his anti-Christ or something like that. Couldn't face a prosperous America in which his talents bore fruit but not magic. Captain Hate may know him since he was a Cleaveland guy.

Benjamin Franklin

This is how I cook on TK.


Captain Hate

Then again she was party to the Ellen Brockavich scam, which had similar
apparel choices

I'd forgotten that crock; amazingly the real world scamster looked much sluttier.

Benjamin Franklin

"I mean these are highly educated people, right?"


I once had an uncle who would vote for a democrat, even if it was a cocker spaniel.


I was over at ZH. I take it he is not a Whitney fan. Wow.

Whoever mentioned fresh blackeyed peas-I made fresh lady fingelings last night with fajitas. I always season the water and broth with bacon and salt pork and let it simmer to get flavorful and then add the butterpeas or crowder peas or whatever is available fresh.

I can move those pots empty clarice but need help putting them in or out of oven.

And ralph-my dad had a stepmom who had his name legally changed as a boy so he would no longer be a junior with her husband's name. My joke about her was she saw cinderella and used it as a model for behavior.

Jack is Back!

Sully is still alive? Whoa!

Captain Hate

Captain Hate may know him since he was a Cleaveland guy.

Crumb? No he'd left before I got here. Fascinating documentary on him though. I met Harvey Pekar a number of times; complete POS who stole records from a campus radio station.

Benjamin Franklin

Probably paid informants. Like everything else, the good get co-opted by the bureaucrats ala 'Body of Lies'


Sara (Pal2Pal)

DrJ: My Mother's older half-sister suffered from Alzheimer's. She was in the mid-stages when we went to visit her. I was in my late 20s and was a twin to my Mother when she was the same age. When we got there, my Aunt went nuts over me, calling me Lucie and saying how much she loved me, completely ignoring my Mother, the real Lucie. I don't think I ever saw my Mother so devastated.

And my best friend's mother developed the disease. She said the worst was the day her own mother did not recognize her, although she was sure her mother was aware the person holding her hand was someone she cared about, just didn't know who she was or why she cared.

My Mother suffered with deteriorating stroke-induced dementia the last few months of her life. She thought my son was her father and would call out to him, "Daddy, daddy." She always, however, knew who I was, thank God. I sometimes thought she forgot that I was the daughter because she would cling to me the way a toddler clings to a parent about to leave them with a babysitter.


Typepad ate my post.Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving. I'm on brussel sprout and yam duty and next year my sister who usually has it will be in NYC at the Thanksgiving Parade.


I was speaking more of this, that daddy reminded us on;

Jack is Back!


Crumb was p.o.'d because Harvey was the only guy left of their anarchistic gang of moochers who stayed in Cleveland and he couldn't understand it. I can, Harvey wanted to see if he could lite the damn lake on fire again.


Always surprises on the day like the year my brother announced he had remarried much to the surprise of his ex-wife. I wonder what will happen this year?

Benjamin Franklin

Don't you hate it when they sell Christmas before Thanksgiving is over?


"No other media people fought the war. In fact, most of the liberal media attacked me -- your humble correspondent -- for actually standing up for Christmas."

-- Bill O'Reilly, officially ringing in the Christmas victimization season for the right

Usually it's well into December before I pull this holiday classic out of the archive, but like everything else involving Christmas, we're seeing things ramp up earlier and earlier each year. So, here you go -- a DXM holiday tradition -- my little take on the balls-out absurdity of the so-called War on Christmas.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Pretty Woman is one of my more favorite movies. I thought Julia was terrific in it. I'm not much of a movie buff, so it may be the only movie of hers I've seen.

Jack is Back!


Finished The Teharan Initative by Roseberg and he again leaves us hanging. But damn is he presceint or what. Between him and Silva someone is talking and they are not at the GS level.

Rick Perry on center seat on with Bret Baier in 30 seconds. This should be good especially if the good doctor is in.

Benjamin Franklin

Horrible, Sara. It's like the words Munny spoke (Unforgiven)

“It's a helluva thing, killing a man. You take away all he's got, and all he'll ever have.”

Only, it's the loved ones who have everything taken away, before the afflicted is taken away.

Captain Hate

JiB, yeah that sounds about right. Harvey was a truly miserable person who I believe effectively communicated that through his comics (which Crumb did the drawings for which I always thought was strange) in a way that got the idiots that wrote for the Village Voice even more insane than usual. I remember reading one of those clowns comparing Harvey to Chekhov, which made me wonder if they'd ever really read Anton or they thought it was the character in Star Trek. I'll bet Nabokov would've found that extremely humorous.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Don't you hate it when they sell Christmas before Thanksgiving is over?

Captain Hate

Always surprises on the day like the year my brother announced he had remarried much to the surprise of his ex-wife.

Whoa; there's a Thanksgiving to remember.


The first year we were married I thought I'd give my wife a helping hand and cook the turkey for her. I thought she'd be surprised and she sure was when she found out I'd neglected to thaw it out first!


CH, I think that must be the point for nutters--make the big scene on a festive holiday so it will be really memorable.


OT Making the email rounds "Classroom Socialism":
Possibly apocryphal but even as a thought experiment it works IMO.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Benjamin Franklin

They had 'Sloppy Joes' order the pizza codeword. WTF


Hezbollah may have just rolled up the CIA’s network of spies devoted to cracking the secrets of the Lebanese Shiite extremist group. If so, it’s because of one of the stupidest, least secure code words in history.

According to ABC News, Hezbollah operatives figured out that CIA informants who had infiltrated the Iranian proxy group were meeting with their agency handlers at a Beirut Pizza Hut. How could Hezbollah deduce that location? “The CIA used the codeword ‘PIZZA’ when discussing where to meet with the agents,” ABC reports.

The agency is reportedly fearful for the informants’ lives. “If they were genuine spies, spying against Hezbollah, I don’t think we’ll ever see them again,” retired CIA officer Robert Baer told ABC.


Down here we have the local school union chief, who is in trouble for using union
dues to contribute to political campaigns,
the irony the candidates he supported, Hillary
and Alex Sink, lost, talk about missing the majic 8 ball.

Ain't that the truth. I tried to change up the blueberry salad one year and the complaints were so loud...


One year, my Aunt decided to make the candied sweet potatoes with orange juice and no brown sugar. No one said a word, but there were no second helpings.

For years afterward, the sweet potatoes were my responsibility. I made them with a caramel like brown sugar and butter mixture that practically screamed heart attack. They were a big hit.

Today, my darling niece makes an absolutely scrumptious sweet potato dish that's topped with a crusty layer of pecans. It is so good, it's like dessert and all I have to do is enjoy!

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