Saturday Morning Open Thread

Bracing for the weekend.

Comments

[Danube of Thought]

Minus 18 at Raz today.

[Jack is Back!]

And what weekend it will be:

Can the USA get the 4 points needed to retain the President's Cup?

Can the Packers stay undefeated?

Will Herman Cain relent and admit he knows f**k all about foreign policy, Ohio, Wisconsin and Federal employee bargaining rights?

Lots can happen this weekend but one thing that won't happen is the Redskins winning against the 'Boys. Bank on it:(

[henry]

Opening day gun deer season. 630-650,000 licenses sold out of 5,000,000 population in WI. Shooting 1.5 miles north, and 0.5 miles south right at the open 6:15 am. 6:30 am neighbor fires up backhoe and begins work on drainage ditch 300 yds away, think deer version of I-94 with offramps to my field. Deer take side roads, lots of shooting within 2 miles all around me. Maybe tomorrow. Is it cocktail hour yet?

[hit and run]

Heh. Didn't see the new thread and posted the ras on the last one.

Good morning,DoT -- how was poker?

[hit and run]

henry:
Is it cocktail hour yet?

Hour?

It's cocktail day.

[Jack is Back!]

henry,

Reminds me of the one time I went for Elk in the Lochsau River Valley of Idaho. Hiked in over 5 miles on logging roads and up and down little hills and valleys until we came to a nice stand with a full 180 view of the meadow where we were hoping to find a herd foraging. Instead, as we settled down for the wait, came a logging crew using the meadow area as a sweep around the trees and the longer travel by road.

Can't win them all.

Also, hard to get many signatures on recalll petition if everyone is out in the woods with grease paint on, playing cards and drinking beer by a camp fire:)

[henry]

Thanks guys. It was worse last year, an eight pointer took a half hour amble across my field at 200 yds -- stopping and posing every couple steps. Due to the hated earn a buck rule (Walker ended earn a buck two weeks ago), all I could do was sit there as steam came out my ears. If I get a deer, I have to buy another freezer - mine's full of duck right now. Oh well, time to hunt beer in the fridge. That at least is a target rich environment. : )

[Clarice]

henry, I wouldn't wear that nice new brown jacket today.

[hit and run]

JiB:
Also, hard to get many signatures on recalll petition if everyone is out in the woods

It's hard to get actual people to sign actual petitions to get legitimate signatures -- but generating "signatures" is not really impacted.

[Clarice]

Iowahawk:Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream." Churchill's "Blood Sweat Toil & Tears." Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. And now, Occupy Wall Street's "thePolise are puting contorl chipps in are branes."

[Mark Folkestad]

Henry, if you've got a brown jacket, you might want to loan it to Dana if he comes visiting, especially this time of the year. You know how those Californians just can't take the cold.

Thanks to an idiot cousin using my computers to surf places he wouldn't dare go with the chance his wife, kids or grandkids might pop in on him at home, both my computers went down with viruses. After a week, I'm back with a new desktop, and I'm moments away from retrieving my laptop from Geek Squad. The task of catching up on the discussions here has proven too daunting. But I did go back a couple of pages on the last thread. Sigh.

Memo to self: when Susan and I are ready for guests in our new Alaska home, many of the JOMO tribe will be welcome, but I have to remember not to schedule DoT and Sara at the same time.

[Ignatz]

I'm sure others have noted this, but the party supposedly dominated by hard right extremists and which throws to the wolves any candidate who isn't ideologically pure enough has as its top two candidates at the moment two remarkably moderate and ideologically impure guys.
If only Republicans were as ideologically flexible and diverse as the party of Barry, Kerry and Gore.

[Captain Hate]

Memo to self: when Susan and I are ready for guests in our new Alaska home, many of the JOMO tribe will be welcome, but I have to remember not to schedule DoT and Sara at the same time.

And pass up the potential entertainment value? Plus stranger things have happened in the disconnect between the innerwebtubez and the real world.

[henry]

Mark, no brown jacket but lots of camo ... Maybe I can scare up a Milwaukee bucks cap w/ antlers.

[Benjamin Franklin]

"Henry, if you've got a brown jacket, you might want to loan it to Dana if he comes visiting, especially this time of the year. You know how those Californians just can't take the cold."

There's a reason I am in California. I lived in Omaha during the
Blizzard of '78. Returned to Calif that June and never looked back.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Wonder how many 'hard returns' I can post before Hit hits the thread.

[Ignatz]

Forbes reminds us just how terribly awful America was before the nanny state pitted citizen against citizen and people took responsibility for their own lives and voluntarily helped out their neighbors, family and friends rather than having their pockets compulsorily looted by them.
Because they're not easily measured or sometimes even recognized, not enough attention is paid to the enormous relational costs to society and the multiple resentments that the welfare state, with its unavoidable and often by-design conflicts-of-interest fosters.

[Mark Folkestad]

Hey, nothing but the best for our buddy Dana. Since Sara seems sure his radical college will fire him after his "outing" as a troublesome troll on a conservative blog (HAHAHAHA!), Dana will be looking for things to do and places to see.

Another of my idiot cousins bought a pair of quilted liner jackets just before we went on our first elk hunt in Washington State. He pulled them out of his bag and our rancher friend groaned. The jackets were exactly the same color as an elk's rump. So much for that bright idea. The rancher was so fearful of his fellow hunters that he always dressed in forest green to make himself "invisible".

Henry, I'll be over in a few days for a duck feast, and then you will have room in the freezer for your deer. Okay?????

[Benjamin Franklin]

When the GOP touts 'small business', this is what they mean.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/18/us-wallst-disconnect-idUSTRE7AH0Z620111118

"John Paulson, the hedge-fund trader who famously made billions betting on the collapse of the housing market, was threatened by the demonstrators with a march on his Upper East Side home in New York last month. Paulson responded by putting out a press release that described his $28 billion, 120-person fund as an exemplar of the American Dream: "Instead of vilifying our most successful businesses, we should be supporting them and encouraging them to remain in New York City."

Other captains of finance like to portray themselves as humble entrepreneurs. One owner of a multi-billion-dollar hedge fund grumbled in the midst of the financial crisis that he has to worry not only about making trading decisions but also about "all the hassles that come with running a small business."

[henry]

Sure Mark. If you remember, bring someone that knows how to cook. : )

[narciso]

It's ironic ewhen the nutroots seek solace from Volodya's parrots;

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/11/during-discussion-about-propaganda-of.html

[Captain Hate]

his radical college will fire him after his "outing" as a troublesome troll on a conservative blog (HAHAHAHA!)

The Juan Williams of academia?

[Danube of Thought]

Poker went very well, Hit--thanks for asking. A nice bit of income was redistributed in my direction.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Hedgefunder can no longer sell with a clear conscience. why?

http://www.bizzyblog.com/2011/11/17/thank-you-ann-barnhardt-we-need-a-lot-more-people-with-her-courage-like-this/

"The reason for my decision to pull the plug was excruciatingly simple: I could no longer tell my clients that their monies and positions were safe in the futures and options markets – because they are not. And this goes not just for my clients, but for every futures and options account in the United States. The entire system has been utterly destroyed by the MF Global collapse. Given this sad reality, I could not in good conscience take one more step as a commodity broker, soliciting trades that I knew were unsafe or holding funds that I knew to be in jeopardy."

Holy Moly. Here's the problema: NO broker, even one selling money market, EVER whispered that nether word 'SAFE' in my experience.

WTF?

[Mark Folkestad]

Heh. Henry, you can't go wrong with a good apple-celery-onion-crouton-sage dressing and the skin done crispy with pink juice coming out of the stuck breast. I held a neighborhood feast many years ago with an ice chest of ducks I brought back from Washington State. The mallards, pintails and redhead were expected to be delicious, but even the goldeneyes brought raves.

[Captain Hate]

Too bad our old "friend" bunkerbuster isn't in Russia where he could weigh in on-line with another of his witless hypotheses of the homo-erotic posings of Pooty-poot. His chances of a close encounter with polonium would be extremely high.

[Jane]

Hi guys.

[henry]

Mark, I use those ingredients in bacon wrapped duck rolls. All my duck is rice fed from The Pas, very tasty.

[Benjamin Franklin]

BREAKING NEWS----GOP pushes for repeal of Child Labor Laws

LOL!!! Hey Newt. Instead of focusing on janitors, how about letting the kids serve on the Board, or act as Superintendent?

There's REAL money (and incredible redundant waste) in those jobs.

"Via POLITICO's Reid Epstein, Newt Gingrich tonight said at an address at Harvard that child work laws "entrap" poor children into poverty - and suggested that a better way to handle failing schools is to fire the janitors, hire the local students and let them get paid for upkeep.

"This is something that no liberal wants to deal with," Gingrich said. "Core policies of protecting unionization and bureaucratization against children in the poorest neighborhoods, crippling them by putting them in schools that fail has done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy. It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid.

"You say to somebody, you shouldn't go to work before you're what, 14, 16 years of age, fine. You're totally poor. You're in a school that is failing with a teacher that is failing. I've tried for years to have a very simple model," he said. "Most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work, they would have cash, they would have pride in the schools, they'd begin the process of rising."

He added, "You go out and talk to people, as I do, you go out and talk to people who are really successful in one generation. They all started their first job between nine and 14 years of age. They all were either selling newspapers, going door to door, they were doing something, they were washing cars."

"They all learned how to make money at a very early age," he said. "What do we say to poor kids in poor neighborhoods? Don't do it. Remember all that stuff about don't get a hamburger flipping job? The worst possible advice you could give to poor children. Get any job that teaches you to show up on Monday. Get any job that teaches you to stay all day even if you are in a fight with your girlfriend. The whole process of making work worthwhile is central."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68729.html#ixzz1eASuNhcL

[Captain Hate]

JANE!!!

Btw, do any JOMers live in Denver? I'll be there on bidness on the Monday thru Friday of the week after Thanksgiving. I'll be pretty busy, at least initially, but it's hard to imagine that being the case in the evenings of the latter part of the week.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Another 'small' business (healthcare)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-17/workers-health-coverage-premiums-rose-63-in-seven-years-study-shows.html#

[narciso]

I'll trade ten Paulsons for one Ann barnhardt

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/presenting-john-paulsons-complete-les-echos-interview-which-he-bearish-housing-bullish-gold

[Benjamin Franklin]

I feel certain Chaco would love to have a 'face=to-face', CH

[Captain Hate]

Remember all that stuff about don't get a hamburger flipping job? The worst possible advice you could give to poor children.

I get livid with my so-called peers (and have really gotten into it with a few of them) when they denigrate entry level work. No honest way of earning money should ever be ridiculed. At the very least, it teaches skills which they may not otherwise be exposed to which will serve them well in the future.

[Captain Hate]

Is Chaco in Denver? Colorado's a big state. I'm up for it if he is.

[Benjamin Franklin]

"Remember all that stuff about don't get a hamburger flipping job? The worst possible advice you could give to poor children."

Especially when all those illegals are not available. Those service jobs are indispensible to the 1%.

[Jane]

So does the Newt rise feel like it is for real? Caro and I had dinner with his future press secretary last night. I'm not sure anyone has a good feel for things. A lot of reluctant acceptence of Romney - but not by me.

[Benjamin Franklin]

I think it's called 'probing' and this is not good.

"http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/18/cyberattack-traced-to-russia-damages-illinois-public-water-facility/

[RichatUF]

CH-

Think it is one of the burbs. Take a trip to the Obamaville Denver and pass out some White Castle job applications.

[Captain Hate]

So does the Newt rise feel like it is for real?

It's real for this point in time which is still very early in the game. Newt still has plenty of time to step in it badly, which he tends to do away from a debate format.

[pagar]

Simply voting the incumbents out of office and leaving their staffers in place is not going to correct the problems in Washington,
IMO.

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2011/11/18/was-the-tea-party-kicked-out-of-the-capitol-by-former-bennett-staffers-mad-at-mike-lee/

Anyone who is serious about cutting the deficit has to cut these staffs for politicians.

"Senator Schumer did call and, as Senator Lee had suspected, confirmed he did not know about the meeting or any of the facts related to it."

Wonder how much of the contents of bills is totally staff written with with no input or supervision of the legislators?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

JOMers live in Denver

Me, or close enough.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I actually live in Erie, about a half hour away. To four figures, 40.0 N 105.0 W.

[Rick Ballard]

"So does the Newt rise feel like it is for real?"

It's as real as the Cain "not Romney" surge. It will cease being real in the snows of January, if not sooner.

I just hope everyone stays on their feet into June. There's no sense in reducing the number of targets before then.

[RichatUF]

So does the Newt rise feel like it is for real?

I think it is just "his time" for the Anyone but Romney spot...at this rate Perry might still get a second look heading into the SC and Florida primaries.

[Captain Hate]

I have your email, Chaco, so I'll contact you when I'm there.

[Jane]

I hope so Rich. Im back on the perry wagon.

[MayBee]

I just hope everyone stays on their feet into June. There's no sense in reducing the number of targets before then.

Perzactly.

[Benjamin Franklin]

"...at this rate Perry might still get a second look heading into the SC and Florida primaries."

Would that be like a Steve Howe second chance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Howe_(baseball)

[RichatUF]

Ha, maybe I'll just copy Rick.

[narciso]

Mission accomplished, specially with the TNK merger falling through;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577046424119997762.html

[Benjamin Franklin]

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/11/19/police-pepper-spray-ows-student-protestors-directly-in-their-faces-at-occupy-davis/
see video

"Today at Occupy Davis, a police officer approached a group of students sitting in a line peacefully on the ground, walked up and down the line and pepper-sprayed them directly in the face—as one would spray pesticide on weeds. What you’ll see in this video is such a callous display of police brutality, I don’t know how this police officer is going to go home and look at himself in the mirror."

He looks fine, especially after beer ponging and high fives with his fellow ossifers (sic)

[MayBee]

Yes, Ben. Much better to make sure the only way poor urban and rural kids can make money is through the drug dealers.

[Danube of Thought]

Great. Now Princess Nancy has set her sights on a new target: a federal childcare program:

"One of the great pieces of unfinished business is high-quality child care; I wonder why we just can’t do that,’’ she recently said to a California audience.

By "we", Pelosi means the federal government. Pelosi clarified that Congress should be “doing for child care what we did for health-care reform.”

[MayBee]

Jane!!!!!!!!!

[Rick Ballard]

Rich,

I've had the scorecard from the beginning marked as Texas Growth vs Bain Wrecking and Salvage going into the convention. I believe it will take a number of ballots prior to a clear majority being achieved.

The "Romney is inevitable" crap may console Northeastern squishes but the Northeast doesn't control (add that one to your Thanksgiving Day list).

[Benjamin Franklin]

Rarely do I have two 'Holy Molys' in one day, and it's still early.

Is this like the 'tokenism' that takes place at NYT, WSJ, WaPO etc.

You know, the finance beans want to expand readership with
nuggets of oppositional pov?

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/great-political-debate/2011/nov/18/occupy-wall-street-what-should-be-done-protesters/

As irritating or disruptive as some may find the Occupiers, they are the conscience of America, like it or not. Their very physical presence is a reminder that the decline of America happened not because they didn’t believe in the American dream, but because the greed of Wall Street and the banks stole that dream.

[Captain Hate]

By "we", Pelosi means the federal government. Pelosi clarified that Congress should be “doing for child care what we did for health-care reform.”

Beyond parody.

[narciso]

Is that a promise or a threat, Captain, like the Kray (I mean)Piranha brothers

[Benjamin Franklin]

He has no discipline. It's true he is brilliant, but his impromptu speaking lacks perspective and reflective reasoning.

He is forgetting about Ron Paul, the most likely to benefit from
the current field of candidates.

"http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1381893

[Benjamin Franklin]

http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1381893

.

[Danube of Thought]

No kidding, CH. I had to check to see that it wasn't from The Onion.

I'd rather see her do for Iran what she did for healthcare reform.

[Captain Hate]

I come in peace, narc; as an ambassador of good will and the embodiment of the holiday season.

[Captain Hate]

I'd rather see her do for Iran what she did for healthcare reform.

Or at least wear a full potato sack rather than the head scarf when she visits.

[Benjamin Franklin]

There should be a pic of A. Lincoln in Webster's, NO! Oxford, next to the word 'brilliant'.

“I carefully examined the President’s messages, to ascertain what he himself had said and proved upon the point. The result of this examination was to make the impression, that taking for true, all the President states as facts, he falls far short of proving his justification; and that the President would have gone farther with his proof, if it had not been for the small matter, that the truth would not permit him… Now I propose to try to show, that the whole of this, — issue and evidence — is, from beginning to end, the sheerest deception.
… This strange omission, it does seem to me, could not have occurred but by design. My way of living leads me to be about the courts of justice; and there, I have sometimes seen a good lawyer, struggling for his client’s neck, in a desperate case, employing every artifice to work round, befog, and cover up, with many words, some point arising in the case, which he dared not admit, and yet could not deny…. Let him answer, fully, fairly, and candidly. Let him answer with facts, and not with arguments. Let him remember he sits where Washington sat, and so remembering, let him answer, as Washington would answer. As a nation should not, and the Almighty will not, be evaded, so let him attempt no envasion — no equivocation.
…But if he can not, or will not do this — if on any pretence, or no pretence, he shall refuse or omit it, then I shall be fully convinced, of what I more than suspect already, that he is deeply conscious of being in the wrong that he feels the blood of this war, like the blood of Abel, is crying to Heaven against him. That originally having some strong motive — what, I will not stop now to give my opinion concerning — to involve the two countries in a war, and trusting to escape scrutiny, by fixing the public gaze upon the exceeding brightness of military glory — that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood — that serpent’s eye, that charms to destroy he plunged into it, and has swept, on and on, till, disappointed in his calculation of the ease with which Mexico might be subdued, he now finds himself, he knows not where. How like the half insane mumbling of a fever-dream, is the whole war part of his late message!
... So then, the national honor, security of the future, and every thing but territorial indemnity, may be considered the no-purposes, and indefinite, objects of the war!... If the prossecution of the war has, in expenses, already equalled the better half of the country, how long its future prosecution, will be in equalling, the less valuable half, is not a speculative, but a practical question, pressing closely upon us. And yet it is a question which the President seems to never have thought of. As to the mode of terminating the war, and securing peace, the President is equally wandering and indefinite. First, it is to be done by a more vigorous prossecution of the war in the vital parts of the enemies country; and, after apparently, talking himself tired, on this point, the President drops down into a half despairing tone, and tells us that "with a people distracted and divided by contending factions, and a government subject to constant changes, by successive revolutions, the continued success of our arms may fail to secure a satisfactory peace[.]" Then he suggests the propriety of wheedling the Mexican people to desert the counsels of their own leaders, and trusting in our protection, to set up a government from which we can secure a satisfactory peace; telling us, that "this may become the only mode of obtaining such a peace." But soon he falls into doubt of this too; and then drops back on to the already half abandoned ground of "more vigorous prossecution.["] All this shows that the President is, in no wise, satisfied with his own positions. First he takes up one, and in attempting to argue us into it, he argues himself out of it; then seizes another, and goes through the same process; and then, confused at being able to think of nothing new, he snatches up the old one again, which he has some time before cast off. His mind, tasked beyond its power, is running hither and thither, like some tortured creature, on a burning surface, finding no position, on which it can settle down, and be at ease.
Again, it is a singular omission in this message, that it, no where intimates when the President expects the war to terminate. …As I have before said, he knows not where he is. He is a bewildered, confounded, and miserably perplexed man. God grant he may be able to show, there is not something about his conscious, more painful than all his mental perplexity!”

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[bgates]

Pelosi clarified that Congress should be “doing for child care what we did for health-care reform”,

"whatever that is, I haven't had a chance to read that bill yet."

[Danube of Thought]

They're just like the Tea Party:

On Friday night, November 18th, Occupy Oakland approved a coordinated West Coast port shut down in solidarity with Occupy L.A. and the Longview, Washington longshoremen, and against the EGT grain company.

[narciso]

I meant about Princess Allesandri Captain,

[Benjamin Franklin]

New hidden fees coming...lol

Here's one of 'em...

http://www.reasongonemad.com/2011/11/17/psst-hidden-bank-fees-are-coming/

"Don’t Even Try to “Move Your Money” Fee – As Americans move their money to credit unions, small local banks, and cooperatives at a good clip (650,000 new accounts at credit unions alone during the last 30 days, compared to 80,000 in a typical month), banks are in a panic as depositors flee. So they’re cashing in with new charges like the “Don’t Even Try to ‘Move Your Money’ Fee.” Equal to 100 percent of your account balance, it’s imposed the moment you try to close your account. (Watch for details in a “Change to Your Account Terms” statement insert.)

[Benjamin Franklin]

American Spelunker is concerned about the children....

"Since the Occupation began, California's mayors have failed to protect the non-occupying citizens of California and have tolerated behavior that stifles the very commerce that generates California's tax revenues.　 　These tax revenues are required to fund the schools"

[narciso]

I swear Carlos Slim should change the name to Punch, or something suitably sardonic

On the campaign trail in Massachusetts last month with the Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, I bore witness to acts of extreme giddiness: a 20-year-old student jumping up and down, exclaiming, “Oh, my God, I am obsessed with her”; a third-year law student of Warren’s comparing her to a superhero (“Wonder Woman wishes she could be Professor Warren”); a man stopping Warren on the street and introducing himself as the guy who recently passed her a mash note on a plane (“I was hitting on you,” he said).

[Danube of Thought]

So CBS is going to look into the Natalie Wood matter on "48 Hours Mystery" tonight. Too bad; I've gotta make it to the big beef jerky sale on El Cajon Boulevard at that very hour.

[Captain Hate]

Ach; my bad, narc.

[RichatUF]

Hum, EGT, a Japanese non-union shop...an easy target or the warm up act?

[Benjamin Franklin]

Hasn't the Dr. told you jerky is bad for your teeth?

[Rocco]

They used to issue dog tags at work to keep track of people who were assigned keys from the front office area. The guy who made those dog tags made one of three for me that read, "no deer this year." I must admit, I'm the world's worst deer hunter. I'm always in the right area, just in the wrong tree! Anyway, in the spirit of hunting season, No Caribou This Year, Sarah Palin

[glasater]

Sarah Palin said on Greta in a recent interview regarding the R candidates -- the cream has yet to come to the top.
Could she be referring to Rick Perry?

[narciso]

Snark away, Mon Frere:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/magazine/heaven-is-a-place-called-elizabeth-warren.html?_r=3&ref=magazine&pagewanted=all

[Captain Hate]

Speaking of Palin, can anybody imagine the level of abuse that would be heaped on her if she did as poorly as Perry has in the debates?

[narciso]

You know, Aaron, she would have put Studio 60, out of it's misery, rather than let walk away wounded;

“You (Sarah Palin) enjoy killing animals. What you did is heart-stoppingly disgusting. If I were picked to be the one to kill an animal in some kind of Lottery-from-Hell, I wouldn't do a little dance of joy while I was slicing the animal apart.” (Aaron Sorkin in the Huffington Post reacting to Caribou hunt on the show Sarah Palin’s Alaska last Dec. 8th.)

[Captain Hate]

Dear God, Iowahawk and the Onion have met their match in Rebecca Traister. Pinch must be so proud.

[narciso]

Let your secretary run it, Warren, that's it;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577046374108267952.html

[Captain Hate]

What you did is heart-stoppingly disgusting.

Clean kill Aaron; oh the huge manatee.

[Clarice]

Hi, Jane. We've missed you.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Family Research Council changing their tone on OWS...

I don't see it, but 'conscience' sometimes is a factor, even for the super-righteous..

http://blog.faithinpubliclife.org/2011/11/family_research_council_changi.html

Like some elected officials who quickly changed their tone on the Occupy movements when they realized the protesters' message was resonating with the American people, McClusky's comments seem to reflect a softening of FRC's previous descriptions of the movement.

As we've tracked, in the past month FRC has been using increasingly aggressive language in its prayer team emails calling for the movement to fail.

October 12:

May God prevent these radical organizers from stirring revolution and distracting voters from the elections and keeping watch on our elected leaders (Num 16:1-14; Is 1:4-6; Pr 12:11-12; Mt 26:41; Eph 4:28; 1 Tim 6:3-10; Heb 13:5-6).
October 19:

May God quell the anger of this sad collage of people, stirred up by radical ideologues, encouraged by the press and even misguided officials, and cause it to fizzle. May it backfire as some experts predict, and may God send believers to bring Good News to these people and lead many to faith and peace in Christ! (Ps 2:1 ff; 76:1-12; Pr 29:8-16; Hos 4:6; Mt 5:21-22; Mk 6:34; Jn 10:10-16; Jas 1:20)
November 9:

May the movement simply fizzle. May God protect those who live nearby and must encounter these raucus groups. May God harvest souls for Christ from among them just as He did discontented youth in the Jesus Movment of the 60's and 70's (1 Sam 22:1-2; 2 Chr 15:4-7; Ps 18:40-50; Is 42:14-18; Lk 19:39-40; Rom 8:15-16; 10:20).

[narciso]

These are not the usual suspects;

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/democrats-hire-soros-backed-pro-abortion-activist-to-do-outreach-to-christians/

[Benjamin Franklin]

Lobbyists to Bankers; How to thwart Occupy.

See? More waste. Why pay the lobbyists for something Homeland Security does for free (free? Excuse me)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73209630/Anti-Occupy-Wall-Street

[Benjamin Franklin]

I love this Pharisaical comment....

"No authentic Christian can vote for this man in good conscience."

[narciso]

Yes, they really have a keen grasp;

http://www.usasurvival.org/ck11.01.11.html

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Oh Newt's rise in the poll in NH, Joyner thinks it is an outlier. You can read his reasoning here.

[Danube of Thought]

Got a double-shovel caribou up in the Brooks Range in Alasks in 1992. Best shot I ever made: 400 yards with my great-uncle's Marine Corps issue Springfield (sporterized), 180-grain .30-'06 boattail. Aimed 18 inches above his shoulder. Heart shot.

[MayBee]

Did you make caribou jerkey, DoT?

[narciso]

I have found Joyner to be an outlier, to common sense over time,

[Benjamin Franklin]

We will always have the fear-mongers as long as we have the the easily manipulated 'Muddle'.

Brandon Darby broke the story at Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com that the protests “pose special dangers for women” because of the rapes and sexual assaults taking place. He notes several such incidents:

A 14-year-old runaway was allegedly sexually assaulted at Occupy Dallas.
A 19-year-old student activist was allegedly raped at Occupy Cleveland.
A man was arrested on charges of indecent exposure to children at Occupy Seattle.
A female reporter was threatened by activists at Occupy Oakland.
Also at BigGovernment.com, John Nolte writes about the protesters’ “rap sheet,” which numbers 119 cases of sexual assault, violence, vandalism, anti-Semitism, extortion, perversion, and lawlessness. These are hardly law-abiding protesters, as the lawyers at the National Lawyers Guild and Center for Constitutional Rights maintain.

[Rocco]

narciso

Check out that link, "spring to the rescue" in that article I posted. Fontova recalls growing up in Cuba under Castro and Guevara.

[MayBee]

Well, it's not as bad as "spitting" at Emmanuel Cleaver, but rape does seem a bit unsporting.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I agree Narciso, a RINO thru and thru. But, he cites some of the other polls taken the same week and also some from the last cycle to show the numbers. Although, one thing that seems clear, Newt has captured the hearts of the 65 and older crowd, and they do vote more heavily than the younger generations. So who knows?

I don't like Joyner because he has been such a jerk about Sarah Palin.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Another member of the Pharisee class (or is it Sadducee?)

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/03/business/la-fi-goldline-charges-20111103

[Rick Ballard]

Narciso,

Shouldn't any reference to convicted securities trader Soros always be prefaced by "convicted securities trader"? It should be as commonplace as "Former Goldman & Sachs CEO, Democrat Governor and Senator, Obama bundler and administration financial adviser Jon Corzine".

[Charlie (Colorado)]

He looks fine, especially after beer ponging and high fives with his fellow ossifers (sic)

The problem with being a real no-kidding anarchist is that there are idiots who want power on all sides.