So how did you love the debate? If you thought the greatest crisis facing America was the tendency of Republican Presidential candidates to take forty seconds to deliver a thirty second answer, then you loved CBS moderator Scott Pelley. Of course, he looked pretty stupid when he cut Mitt Romney off after thirty seconds and Mitt had to explain he was on the sixty second clock. Ooops! And his lecture to Newt about the illegality of Obama's lethal drone strike on Awlaki was absurd. Per CBS News, the Justice Department is on one side and the ACLU on the other; the question is at best unresolved.
Among the candidates, I thought the humbler, self-deprecating Rick Perry was effective. He had some good quips about his Dept of Energy memory lapse, but otherwise did seem lost up there. Gingrich and Romney stood out, as usual; Cain seemed to be BSing, but it probably didn't cost him support.
It's interesting to note that the efforts of a Wilson, a Zinni, et al, to burnish their reputations are not new, they go back around 2300 years or so, as Donald Kagan, noted in a tome on Thucydides, the latter excised his role in the Syracuse expedition, and made it look like it was some crazy plot by Cleon, when in truth the operation was the consensus of the day, however poorly the operation turned out,
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 02:42 PM
This gives you a flavor of what I'm referring to.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2009/10/did_thucydides_really_tell_the_truth.2.html
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 02:45 PM
Yes Porch. Common Core gets rid of st testing and goes to projects and portfolios and SAT is on way out.
I cannot tell you how many times I have read how tests are in the way of what is to be done in the schools. Over decades.
Rick-there was a particularly troubling intl meetup about a decade ago on how to milk the knowledge of what was to be regulated and push it. There were only a few attendees from US higher ed and Penn State was one.
And as horrible as your image is, it's probably easier to put a physical attack behind you than deliberately crippling people's minds. It's going to be really hard to claim as your defense that you were ignorant of the effects of the required actions that you lied about to the taxpayers.
Posted by: rse | November 13, 2011 at 02:45 PM
TED NUGENT MAKES HIS POINT VERY CLEARLY
Go Ted!
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 02:48 PM
Good Morning. The catching up begins...
Did you guys see this yet? Joe Biden: The very first thing Barack and I did after the Election was call Jon Corzine for Economic Advice.
Beautiful:)
Posted by: daddy | November 13, 2011 at 02:51 PM
It's like contacting Dr. Wurnstrom, for scientific advice, what could possibly go wrong there?
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 02:56 PM
OMG-ABO
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 02:59 PM
There are tons of pictures of Corzine and Obama, and Biden and Corzine. I expect Corzine to be thrown under the bus in 10,9,8,7,
Posted by: maryrose | November 13, 2011 at 03:00 PM
Sara:
I love those stats! Every repub candidate should carry those around in their back pocket and recite them to the media daily.
Posted by: maryrose | November 13, 2011 at 03:03 PM
OK, just one more, before I quite googling and do the stuff I'm supposed to be doing. I'll check back later to actually catch up with the rest of the thread, but it does seem clear that Fingar has a firm grip on idiocy of all sorts, Clarice!
Just yesterday, he was cited over at Climate Progress. It's a wonder he's still at Stanford, when he seems such a perfect fit for the Obama Administration. That 2008 briefing you mentioned in your column sounds like veritable job application:
Fingar may not be in Washington, himself, but it looks like he's been cloned.Posted by: JM Hanes | November 13, 2011 at 03:03 PM
I foresee a steady resurgence in U.S. dominance as soon as we kick out of office the stupid, lazy shnook who listens to Fingar and his ilk.
Posted by: Clarice | November 13, 2011 at 03:13 PM
Sara's chart will DOOM Barry just as a similar one did Carter and Hoover before him.
Posted by: Ignatz | November 13, 2011 at 03:51 PM
"Sara's chart will DOOM Barry "
It will need billboards around the country and flyers on every door, Iggy. My town sports Obama 2012 stickers already especially on the autos of the folks in the enclave for retired ministers. There's no fool like a religious left fool. (See Council of Churches and their Elian Gonzalez fiasco)
Posted by: Frau Genug-ist-genug | November 13, 2011 at 04:07 PM
Frau-
One of the religious councils hired Paolo Freire as an advisor. He may well be to the left of ayers.
Posted by: rse | November 13, 2011 at 04:36 PM
Cripes Suzette, a nurse, comes up with the best explanation for MO's constant tongue flicking.(Meds)
http://cripessuzette.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/our-tardive-first-lady/
Posted by: Clarice | November 13, 2011 at 05:00 PM
Sara, Is there a link for that chart of Obama's economic report? I'd like to send it to some friends. Thanks!
--------------------------------------------I would think that the news that Obama and Biden were calling Corzine for economic advise would raise a few eyebrows also. Remember when Obama was house hunting his advice came from a guy named Rezko. In fact, knowing where Obama gets his advice from might explain that whole economic chart. Didn't his presidential campaign start in just a house in his neighborhood?
Posted by: pagar | November 13, 2011 at 05:07 PM
Great chart Sara. Please do post that link.
Posted by: daddy | November 13, 2011 at 05:08 PM
I reposted it from Joey Esparza's Facebook page, but whether it is his or someone else, I cannot tell.
http://www.facebook.com/joey.esparza
His profile indicates he is a Civil Engineer with Kaiser and also presently pursuing an MBA.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 05:21 PM
Thanks Sara.
I can't access it, but nice to know its out there.
Posted by: daddy | November 13, 2011 at 05:27 PM
Daddy: In his bio on FB, he writes: "Deal in Facts, Stats & Numbers," and in looking at other posts where he always gives links, I suspect this is his own work. I've left a message for him to confirm or provide an outside link.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 05:32 PM
Freire, who has gone the way of the Norwegian Blue, probably was to the left of Jeremiah Wright;
Paulo Freire contributed a philosophy of education that came not only from the more classical approaches stemming from Plato, but also from modern Marxist and anti-colonialist thinkers. In fact, in many ways his Pedagogy of the Oppressed (1970) may be best read as an extension of, or reply to, Frantz Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth (1961), which emphasized the need to provide native populations with an education which was simultaneously new and modern (rather than traditional) and anti-colonial (not simply an extension of the culture of the colonizer).
In Pedagogy of the Oppressed (1970), Freire, reprising the oppressors-oppressed distinction, differentiates between the two positions in an unjust society, the oppressor and the oppressed. Freire makes no direct reference to his most direct influence for the distinction, which stems back at least as far as Hegel in 1802, and has since been reprised by many authors including Engels, Marx, Lenin, Gramsci, Simone Weil and others.
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 05:35 PM
Ah, he had a charter school in Philadelphia,
in the LUN, What Carlos Marighela wasn't available,
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 05:38 PM
Sara's graphic looks like it is from the Senate Republican Policy Committee.
Posted by: Janet | November 13, 2011 at 05:40 PM
Here it is.
Posted by: Janet | November 13, 2011 at 05:42 PM
Loved to hear about Jim & Captain meeting!...Good stuff in life.
Posted by: Janet | November 13, 2011 at 05:44 PM
From the wiki, again, 'a strange feeling of deja vu:
"There is no such thing as a neutral education process. Education either functions as an instrument which is used to facilitate the integration of generations into the logic of the present system and bring about conformity to it, or it becomes the ‘practice of freedom’, the means by which men and women deal critically with reality and discover how to participate in the transformation of their world."
—Richard Shaull, drawing on Paulo Freire[3
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 05:47 PM
Janet: That must be it. Thanks.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 05:51 PM
Janet and everyone: Joey answered back and says he got the chart from .... Newt!
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | November 13, 2011 at 06:08 PM
Janet, Sara, thanks for the link.
Posted by: pagar | November 13, 2011 at 06:32 PM
narciso,
Are reading Rosenberg's latest yest? The Tehran Initiative?
Umm. Too close to the truth unfortunately. The only thing missing is a Mahdi.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 13, 2011 at 08:07 PM
Yes, makes Stephen King seem like a piker,
by comparison,
Posted by: narciso | November 13, 2011 at 08:12 PM
after watching the Jet's 1st drive I have decided its more of Rosenberg for me.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 13, 2011 at 08:35 PM