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January 12, 2012

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Clarice

exactly, DoT. They ought to confiscate all video cameras from now on..Dumber than rocks.

Porchlight

Y'all should have listened to us Georgians on this guy.

You should have listened to us sane people on Obama.

Sorry, too easy, couldn't resist. :)

NK

Narc -- I looked at that NCEW website. They have something called "the Civility Project". Ugh. You know even Goebbels called his organization "Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda" -- even Goebbels acknowledged he was in the propaganda business. these editorial writer charcters don't even acknowledge that, are and that they demand only ONE WAY civiity. Cretins.

NK

DoT-- but they did video and got caught. Now the whole Obamaniac anti-military anti-american value system will kick into gear, and many people will get fried.

Jack is Back!

Even JOM can jump to conclusions:

CNBC retracts story about Bain being involved with Auto bailout. Different Bain, like in Bain Consulting, not Bain Capital.

Thomas Collins

Harrop's rank ignorance didn't surprise me in the least. It reminded me of the chatter at several social gatherings I've attended in MetroWest Boston.

jimmyk

Not to flattering of Bain, and, surprise, surprise, Bain made money whether the company survived or not.

It's hard to know the counterfactual, but it looks like that company was headed for ruin.

At its peak in 1970, the Kansas City plant, then owned by Armco Steel Corp, employed 4,500 people. Poor market conditions forced a wave of layoffs in the early 1980s and led the company to prune its product line....

The risks were obvious. The mill’s equipment was out of date and it faced stiff competition from Nucor Corp, which also made grinding balls.

Yes, Bain made what seems like a modest amount of money over the eight years, but I'm going to take the claims of union guys about mismanagement with a grain of salt. The only really damning stuff in the article is the underfunding of the pension and its bailout by the PBGC. But I suspect that was a common story, whether Bain was involved or not.

The bigger picture is that this was one failure in a general pattern of extraordinary success.

NK

MelR-- Euro down to $1.265. No trade secrets of course, but any guesses as to how far it goes down before Fed announces QEIII?

JM Hanes

@michelleobama Thanks to your husband, I had a job.

@michelleobama U inspired me to grow my own food. Just in time.

@michelleobama Can U get me a waiver?

@michelleobama RT @Nebraska Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

(Another) Barbara

For those who haven't read it, Kevin Williamson has a good article on NRO re Bain. (LUN)

Rick Ballard

"I continue to think Romney is a relatively poor candidate, and likely to be disappointing if he does manage to get elected."

Cecil,

Perhaps. I'm rather surprised about the lassitude of Governor Romney's Languid Response Team. Perhaps the Bain matter caught them after a lengthy lunch at the club?

OTOH - Narciso has documented their ability to gently turn the writer of the piece highlighted by TM. There is something to be said for the quiet use of a stiletto in a dark alley versus the clamor and danger of drawing and using a sword in the public square.

Melinda Romanoff

No QEIII until Manhattan is threatened, IMOO.

Sara

Guess what Sue, I don't give a flying fuck what you think. I thought I made that quite clear months ago.

Sue

Rick,

I saw somewhere that exact thing...it caught Romney unaware that he was getting hit by republicans over his work at Bain. I think the same thing happened to Perry when he wasn't prepared to answer questions from the right and Bachmann and Santorum beat him to death at the 1st debate.

I hope Romney gets up to speed. We are running out of options here.

Sue

Sara,

Good thing you don't care then.

Porchlight

Languid Response Team, heh.

NK

MelR-- well that's a pleasant surprise. No additional gratuitous Dollar debasement. So no 'help' from the Fed; if 'Bam wants a better 2012 economy he'll have to help himself, i.e. Cut EPA regs, approve Keystone XL, cut deficit spending, suspend Obamacare, reform the tax code. He WON'T do any of that of course, he could have done it in 2011, gotten a much better 2012 economy and cruised to re-election. So long 'Bam (just don't buy the house in Saybrook Ct)

Sue

MOTUS is funny today. Check out the new idea to raise money for Obama's re-election...runwaytowin.

Jane

I think the Bain thing has helped Romney and hurt the rest of the field. At least that is my reaction. I don't think I will ever forgive Newt and I'm gonna ask Perry to return the Sturbridge Tea Party shirt I gave him if he doesn't stop being so anti capitalism.

jimmyk

We are going to "learn" much more about Mormonism from the MSM if Romney is nominated. It probably won't be overtly negative (the dirty work will be left to Kos and MSNBC), but full of innuendo and subtle mocking. The book by Krakauer will get a lot of play as well. It won't be pretty.

Melinda Romanoff

Unless Manhattan is threatened.

Then it's on.

NK

Jane-- agree completely; Bain absolutely ruined Perry and Newt. Santorum at least kept himself in the running for a cabinet position.

Sara

Oh, and BTW, there isn't a Mormon I know who thinks they are perfect in any way. The best we can do as humans is try to live by God's principles as best we can. And when we screw up, pray for forgiveness after we've made restitution to those we've wronged. And I support Mitt Romney, not because of his religion, but because I believe him to be the man for the job that is needed now to get this country back on track.

NK

MelR-- understood. If the SP 500 is dropping fast, the Fed equities fixit squad will step in-- it always has. QEII was, IMO, a new Godawful monster that really screwed the real economy pooch in many ways.

Melinda Romanoff

Greek debt negotiations "paused". [Interpretation: Greece has been given an ultimatum and the time to think about it.]

JM Hanes

From a Byron York tweet:

'I looked at oppo reports,' says PAC's Tyler. 'They are reams thick on everything from abortion to cap-and-trade -- and nothing on Bain.'

#Axelrod Thanks Newt!

NK

MelR-- "ultimatum" to leave the EuroZone?

Sue

Romney 28% in SC. Newt at 21%. Seems to be working for Newt. For the time being anyway.

centralcal

Sue: I can hardly wait to see some of the fashion ideas they come up with! Boob belts? Teeny tiny too tight sweaters? Ill fitting dresses with weird patterns?

RunwayToWin, indeed!

Sue

I can't wait to see Michelle model the line of clothing for us.

Melinda Romanoff

NK-

Eat the haircut.

Appalled

Sue:

OK -- I think it is fair to ask -- do you really expect a Republican to maul you over what you accomplished as a capitalist engaging in the creative destruction that is part and parcel of capitalism?

Yes, Romney is going to get this criticism from Obama, and I'm sure his minions are expecting it. But, Mitt, concerned with the more short-term task of South Carolina, was probably working on the more expected problems of dealing with candidates who think him insufficiently harsh on the sins of Obama.

I am sure Newt anticipated Mitt would not expect the capitalism attack, which is probably one reason he deployed it. As is often the case with Newt, there is a tactical shrewdness all twisted up with his customary self-destructive meanness.

But to hit Mitt because he underestimated the crazy of Newt -- sorry, I don't get it.

Sue

Where the hell did I hit Mitt? I agreed with Rick that I think Mitt wasn't expecting it anymore than Perry was.

henry

OK, so the GAB will spend $100k on software to check something or other but it will take longer than 60 days. Thus no idea when the recall will be scheduled.

Otherwise, let the lawsuits roll. Sen Fitzgerald is suing the GAB because they allowed recall petitions to circulate longer than the 60 days allowed by law.

Stock up on popcorn as the next couple weeks should provide fireworks in WI.

NK

MelR What % haircut?

centralcal

To mimic Evil Anne - LOL LOL LOL LOL

markknoller Mark Knoller
Announcing plan for govt reorganization, Pres Obama says "the government we have is not the government we need."

Exactly, Obama - so please resign!

NK

CC-- I like the way you turn a phrase.

Sue

C-cal,

Wow. I hope someone puts that on a ringtone.

Porchlight

JMH,

It's possible that this research hadn't been done in '08, but I don't believe for one fraction of a second that Axelrod had no current oppo on Bain and that this was some kind of gift from Newt and Perry that otherwise would have remained unexplored. That's simply not credible. It's what they want you to think, so they can more easily depress you with stories of Republican infighting.

jimmyk

Appalled, we were all surprised that so-called Republicans would go after Romney like that. No doubt Romney was as well. But how hard should it be to formulate a response? To a real believer in free markets, that attack is a gopher ball that should be swatted out of the park (think Gov. Christie). To let it fester for several days while his team figures out how calculate a best response looks weak.

NK

Porch- I agree. Bain is the ONLY thing they have on romney that will have an impact on Indy voters. Axelrod won't miss that. Won't make the Indys vote for 'Bam, but if Axelrod can disgust them enough with lies that Mitt's a robber-barron, maybe they'll stay home.

Porchlight

I wasn't surprised and I don't think Romney should have been, either. I thought he was a tough, savvy campaigner or something.

I'm frankly glad it came up in January and not September or October.

Rick Ballard

Sue,

Someone of a suspicious nature might consider the possibility that Cain, Bachman and Santorum were purchased for the purpose to which they were put. I'm sure glad that I'm never troubled by such thoughts and remain unwilling to consider the possibility that such nefarious tactics might be employed in such a loathsome manner.

Captain Hate

I'm with Porch; anybody thinking that Axe and company wouldn't come at Willard about his Bain experience is unrealistically underestimating your opponent. What is surprising is that Newt would be using arguments that the commiecrats would use instead of stating that Bain was usurping market forces, for example.

Porchlight

NK, I think some of the anti-Mormon stuff will have some impact on indys when they roll it out. But by then it may be too little, too late - the anti-Obama sentiment will be too entrenched for it to make enough of a difference.

Appalled

Sue:

You ask:

Where the hell did I hit Mitt?

I was responding to this comment:

I hope Romney gets up to speed.

Which I read in context of the whole meme that Romney is some kind of wimpy Willard, set to get demolished by the mean kids. I just don't see the evidence of this confidently expressed fear.

centralcal

Sue: First my apology for not clicking on your MOTUS linky - I thought you were referring to her blog post yesterday. I see she had updated with some of the way too cool runway wear. Did ya get a load of the t-shirt with no sleeves. ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Now everyone and anyone can flaunt their "toned arms" just like Her Excellency Michelle Obama! (swoon! h/t Evil Anne)

NK

JimmyK/Porch-- here's something you may want to think about. Bain doesn't hurt Mitt in SC, or Fla REPUB primaries. All it does is turn off REPUB voters to Newt and perry why say anything, when what you say now may hurt with Indy voters in November. Let Newt and perry bury themselves, and simply say shame on you for attacking the market economy-- that's al Repub primary voters need to hear. Save the Bain response for the important Indy audience in the general election.

OldTimer

We are being treated to the Big Lie, live, this minute on national TV. How long this time will his obvious propaganda mesmerize the masses and disarm the stupid party.

How do I hate thee; let me count the ways..

Jane

I think the timing is to Romney's advantage. Kennedy's anti-Bain campaign was so effective because of the timing, which was about a week before election day - at least that is how I remember it. Romney had no opportunity to respond.

I wasn't watching that closely so I was more like a typical voter back then.

JM Hanes

jimmyk:

"We are going to "learn" much more about Mormonism from the MSM if Romney is nominated. It probably won't be overtly negative...."

Why not get the Republicans to do it now?

George Stephanopoulos, Moderator: Rick Santorum, when you asserted that gay marriage would lead to bestiality and polygamy, did you know that Gov. Romney's great-grandfather was a polygamist?

Two birds, one stone.

Sue

Appalled,

Okay. I didn't take that as hitting Mitt. I meant it exactly how I said it. It is my desire that Mitt realizes now that Newt, and Perry, will say or do anything, and he needs to be ready for it.

NK

Porch-- I'm no expert, but IMO I don't see the mormon issue being a big issue for 2012 Evangelical voters. If an Evangelical is a big enough bigot to hate mormonism, they probably think 'Bam is a muslim agent. They could stay home I suppose, but I think it's a real tiny margin. And how does Axelrod exploit it even if it's there? we'll see.

Porchlight

Interesting, NK, but we'll have to see what happens in the next few days. Newt and Santorum are breathing down Romney's neck in SC right now.

Captain Hate

George Stephanopoulos, Moderator: Rick Santorum, when you asserted that gay marriage would lead to bestiality and polygamy, did you know that Gov. Romney's great-grandfather was a polygamist?

George, why do you keep hiding that El JEFe's father was a polygamist.

centralcal

Cue the Twilight Zone music, please...

markknoller Mark Knoller
Pres Obama announces he's making SBA a cabinet-level agency to make sure small business owners have own seat at my Cabinet meetings.

NK

Porch-- 4 weeks ago, would you have picked Romney TO WIN SC? Would Newt having been doing better today in SC if he kept his mouth shut about Bain?

jimmyk

Porch, you weren't surprised that Newt and Perry launched the attack? Of course Axelrod would do it, but he'd wait till September. But I agree, it's better that this is dealt with now. I suspect the Dems are upset about that.

Sue

Appalled,

Let me expand a little. I thought Rick Perry was going to be the next president and I was glad for that. I think he is still the best option for us getting the country turned around. He never got the chance to present himself as that person because he came into the process without being prepared for attacks from the right that crippled him and his campaign from the first debate. He didn't expect to have to defend his conservatism. He wasn't prepared and never recovered. We now have what we have. Mitt needs to be prepared so he doesn't become Rick Perry.

Porchlight

Not evangelicals, NK, but indys, mainly those without strong religious affiliation. They'll be scared off by the "it's a cult!!" treatment the MSM will provide.

Clarice

The Harrop interview is a classic of the cognitive dissonance of the left, isn't it?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-12-2012/civil-disservice

Sue

Rick,

I love conspiracies but I don't buy into them. I think Bachmann knew Perry would take her voters away. Perry could have defended his positions if he had been prepared for the onslaught. I defended them and didn't even have to really think about it. Kind of bothers me Perry didn't or couldn't.

NK

Porch- OK I get it but that's really not a concern. Indys are a social/religious squishy kumbaya live and let live lot. They pulled the 2008 lever for 'Bam with all of HIS issues. I just don't see how Axelrod exploits religious bigotry out of Indys-- just not there.

Sara

It won't be pretty

No, it won't be and all you have to do is read JOM to get a start on seeing how ugly people can be while wearing some mantle of pious purity.

JimmyK; I have a question I'm hoping you can answer. What is the distinction between Bain and Co. and Bain Capital Equity Funding. I know they are completely separate entities, but what are the differences in their mission statements and financial objectives? When it is said that Bain advised closing dealerships, which Bain? I do know that Romney thought the gov't bailout was the wrong way to go and that GM should have gone straight into bankruptcy in order to be able to get out from under the crushing debt the UAW pensions were causing.

Disclaimer, after leaving the military, my husband worked in GM management for 20 years. From day one, he was appalled that the management of such a large corporation had virtually no say in how their own company was run and department heads were under the thumb of the union bosses always on the lookout for the most miniscule of slights that they could gin up into a reason to strike. The Union contracts dictated every aspect of the business to its extreme detriment. And how the union workers were far more interested in protecting their precious union than they were in preserving the company who paid them. Not an ounce of loyalty for the company, lazy, arrogant, and not the brightest bulbs in the pack either. Firing or disciplining a UAW worker was/is harder than dealing with a tenured professor.

And the class warfare that the union gladly supports, worker vs the rich fatcat management dictators or whatever, yet in the two different plants we dealt with, it was the union workers with all the rental properties, the big boats, the fancy cars, the vacation homes and the two or three hour lunches, if they bothered to come to work at all.

Sue

Why is it news that George and Laura Bush wanted Jeb to run? Isn't that kind of like reporting that your brother thinks you should run for president? Oh wait...that's exactly what they are breathlessly reporting.

Porchlight

NK,

I would not have picked Romney to win SC, no. I think his traction there is due more to the "inevitable frontrunner" status that his IA and NH wins have helped cement, than to any missteps by his opponents. So far. As I said, if things change for Newt there in the next week, I may be wrong. If Newt falls, Santorum will probably be the beneficiary.

jimmyk,

I wasn't surprised that they are hitting Romney hard on an issue that they know will get a lot of play in the MSM. That doesn't mean I think it was wise for them to take this particular angle. But I think I understand the dynamics. It is a mistake to underestimate the enormous antipathy toward Romney among the base. A very large percentage of GOP voters do not want him nominated, and they might not mind some temporary hardball from his opponents if it's effective. Newt and Perry may have believed they had no choice but to do as much damage as they could before SC. Time is fast running out for them. So they took the risk.

Sue

Porch,

I suspect if Perry could have a mulligan he'd not join Newt in attacking Mitt in this direction.

NK

Per my earlier post about 'Bam's presser today about combining Fed agencies, according to the WaPo 'Bam said this: "Because it's always easier to add than to subtract in Washington... layers kept adding on" Can you imagine-- he actually said that. There you go; Axelrod is admitting that even his voters oppose Leviathan. The repubs better jump on this TODAY and say YES-ME TOO. Let's cut more and faster together, like the voters want. 'Bam will of course say NO-- but that's the point isn't it.

bgates

to make sure small business owners have own seat at my Cabinet meetings.

At whose Cabinet meetings?

NK

bgates-- excellent snark. Bet 'Bam can't name more than 5 members of his cabinet.

jimmyk

Porch, if it's antipathy from the base, wouldn't hitting Romney from the right make more sense than hitting him from the left?

Sara, as far as I know, Bain & Co's mission is consulting. They send people into companies and give advice about management, reorganization, etc. They get fees but no equity stake. Bain Capital is private equity, so they look for poorly managed or otherwise troubled companies they can actually buy, turn around, and profit on the increased market value.

Porchlight

NK,

I get your point but I'm not convinced. Yes, indys were idiots in '08, but much of that was the First Black President hype and the anti-Republican residue after 8 years of Bush. And the media simply didn't cover anything that made Obama look bad.

Indys are notoriously easily scared, esp. by what they perceive as so-con "extremeness." Axelrod will exploit the Mormon angle with them in the same way he convinced them that Palin was a scary creationist who shot wolves from helicopters, and the same way he would convince them, if he needed to, that Santorum is a Christianist theocrat who wants to establish Christian sharia in the US. Etc.

NK

Porch-- no doubt that's what Axelrod/Plouffe will do. That's all they got, dstroy what's in front of them, make the election so disgusting that Indys stay home. That's the plan. Will it be effective? Bain will be a bigger thing than Mormonism IMO.

bgates

Win The Future.

Right now, there are six departments and agencies focused primarily on business and trade in the federal government – from the Commerce Department to the Small Business Administration to the U.S. Trade Representative’s office. Six. In this case, six isn’t better than one. It’s redundant and inefficient. With the authority I am requesting today, we could consolidate them all into one department with one website, one phone number and one mission – helping American businesses succeed.”

- “As of today, I’m elevating the Small Business Administration to a cabinet-level agency.

Ignatz

--Pres Obama announces he's making SBA a cabinet-level agency to make sure small business owners have own seat at my Cabinet meetings.--

Oh goody.
Now we small businesses can become wards of the state like GM, GE, B of A and Citi.
Let's see, Barry wants the Feds to run all student loans, all healthcare, all mortgages and most of the banks, but don't dare intimate that he just might have a socialist bone or two in his scrawny body. No siree.

Chubby

((...but the last week has really surprised me at how indiscriminately he's been lashing out.))

imo, if he had come out fighting day one, instead of publically resolving that he was going to stay above all that, he wouldn't look half so flakey now

Porchlight

Porch, if it's antipathy from the base, wouldn't hitting Romney from the right make more sense than hitting him from the left?

Hitting him from the right doesn't get enough play in the MSM. And it doesn't effectively diminish Romney's support among GOP voters because, obviously, it doesn't particulary bother those supporters that Romney's not a conservative. They know he isn't, and support him anyway, either because they don't care or because they're convinced he's the most electable.

So what's needed is to scare enough of Romney's supporters into thinking Romney in fact isn't electable, that Obama will beat him. That may not get Romney's supporters to actually vote for Newt, but it might depress turnout for Romney and help Newt by default in SC and FL.

NK

Bgates-- first thing 'Bam has said that I agree with since he ordered the SEALs to kill OBL. Big admission by Axelrod IMO.

Jane

Pres Obama announces he's making SBA a cabinet-level agency to make sure small business owners have own seat at my Cabinet meetings.

He's never had a cabinet meeting.

DrJ

One has to be part of government to believe that the SBA represents small business. What a bunch of morons.

Ignatz

With 8% unemployment and trillion and a half deficits I can't see the Mormon angle doing anything other than backfiring on Barry and Axelrose.

And if Romney can't turn an argument about Bain's effects on jobs into a ubiquitous graph on every street corner, PC monitor and mobile phone of how many million fewer jobs there are in the USA in November 2012 compared to January 2009 then we were DOOMED from the start.

Porchlight

Sue, yes, I think Perry regrets the move. I think Perry by now probably has concluded that he hired the wrong guys for his campaign. I don't even know who's managing him, but they suck. I still think that he'd do well if he knew how to campaign worth a damn.

Jane

Vander Sloot gets 28 years

centralcal

Jane, Jane, Jane - details. Merely, insignificant details.

Melinda Romanoff

bgates-

Excellent coverage of Ann's "Good News".

Porchlight

I agree, Iggy, that it probably won't work, not in this election. It *might* be enough to hold a marginal state like NH. But like NK said, scorched earth is all they've got.

Jane

Someone needs to counter every anti-mormon ad with a Reverend Wright screed.

NK

Jane-- disagree. Every Mormon hit piece needs to be met with a reminder about 8+% unemployment, 1.5 MILLION people leaving the job market and food and gas inflation. That's how you hurt 'Bam.

Porchlight

then we were DOOMED from the start

Exactly. That was part of Dan McLaughlin's argument. Romney is a weak frontrunner for many reasons.

So it's not that Newt and Perry were correct about Bain and jobs. It's that they've provided a preview of the punches Axelrod will throw in the general, and Romney is still rubbing his jaw and can't seem to respond effectively. That makes people wonder if he's got the stuff to take on Obama.

Doesn't it?

Sue

Mitt Romney needs to get Stuart Varney to help him formulate his response. I saw him yesterday on Fox and his response to the question was spot on and made the most sense of what Bain did under Romney than any I've seen or heard. And now that I've said Stuart Varney I'm hesitating to hit post. It might have been someone else. Sheesh, I hate old age.

JM Hanes

jimmyk:

"To let it fester for several days while his team figures out how calculate a best response looks weak."

I'm not sure that's a bad thing at all. Why get into a shouting match with Newt? It's not "presidential," of course, but it just gives Newt more exposure and invites a litany of sound bites -- which plays to Newt's strength. The delay puts a little distance between Romney and the brouhaha (including the internecine bloodletting), lets everyone do their worst (including Bain-bailout mistakes), and lets others leap to your defense (Rattner was a surprising gift).

Even if Team Romney should have, or did, anticipate an attack in the general campaign, they'd have designed a response intended to throw the charges back at the Obama Administration, not fellow Republicans (whose supporters he's going to need). That means different ammo and walking a finer line.

While the waters are roiling, you recalibrate and coordinate a response that's a positive pitch for your time at Bain, not a totally defensive scramble, and then showcase it in South Carolina, where Romney is clearly hurting.

That may be putting the best possible spin on it, but it makes considerable sense, IMO.

Sara

Bain Capital is private equity, so they look for poorly managed or otherwise troubled companies they can actually buy, turn around, and profit on the increased market value.

JimmyK: Thanks.

Aren't some of Bain Cap's biggest successes, startups of new companies with new ideas, more than finding sick companies and turning them around?

Sue

JMH,

Once again, I hope you are right. ABO.

Melinda Romanoff

Or git Larry the Cable Guy to come up with your response.

Should take about 40 seconds.

He knows more about articulating complex economic principles in monosyllabic terms than anyone I've heard.

And they will be more than just "memorable".

Porchlight

But JMH, how could he not already have a positive pitch formulated for his time at Bain? One pitched to Republicans for the primary, and another, slightly different one ready for the general. Isn't that what candidates do? Especially candidates who have been running as long as Romney has? I am genuinely ignorant, but that's what I would expect.

Stephanie

That's Romney's problem in a nutshell, Mel. Very seldom does Romney ever make a statement that "sticks". His sound bites are bland and not memorable. He needs a "death panel" or a "lipstick on a pit bull" bite that goes right to the gut of voters. He's pablum. It might fill you up, but you aren't ging to call it a satisfying or memorable meal. He can bloviate all day long with excellent technical responses, but he's not going to gain traction as a force (except as the ABO) until he develops the memorable and biting quickies that hit folks in the gut. Palin had this in spades as does Newt on occasion. Until he can distill his essence down to gut affirming sound bites he's just "electable" background noise.

Danube of Thought

Check Hot Air for Romney's ad in SC responding to Newt's Bain attack. It also discusses the Wo's four-Pinnochio treatment of Newt's movie.

Melinda Romanoff

And why I mentioned it.

He may have had a funny bonectomy.

Danube of Thought

"No, it won't be and all you have to do is read JOM to get a start on seeing how ugly people can be while wearing some mantle of pious purity."

First thing that came to mind was a lecture our need to pray, etc., followed shortly thereafter by "I don't give a flying fuck what you think."

Stephanie

Romney is like a joke that has to be explained. it might be witty and funny but if you have to explain it, it fails the good joke test.

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