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January 06, 2012

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Ignatz

--And so far it appears to me the Tea Partyers are a lot more loyal to GOP "establishment" types when they lose the primary than the GOPers are when the shoe's on the other foot.--

Exactly. And that's exactly the experience of the Christian right in the Republican party.
They want their votes and enthusiasm and then expect them to shut up but stay loyal.By and large they do, but their enthusiasm is greatly blunted by the repeated discouragement.
The same will happen with the Tea Party if the Republicans do the same to them.

Porchlight

Yes JMH, Lisa Murkowski is the stellar example of the entitlement mentality of establishment Republicans. How dare these teabagger upstarts challenge them in a primary and win!

And JMH also brings up the fact that the Tea Party has pulled the party to the right. Many a previous spendthrift/earmarker in the GOP caucus has been getting fiscal religion as his/her 2012 primary approaches. That is entirely due to 2010 and Tea Party influence on the process, and I expect it righteously to continue through November.

Ignatz

--Captain Hate:

I'm suddenly feeling less besieged!--

You wouldn't have felt so besieged if it wasn't for all those skeletons you were hiding in your closet when clarice threw your shoe into the ring.

Captain Hate

The Tea Party was a gift to the Republicans and if they squander it, which at times they seem willing to do, they need a Plan B that I've seen no evidence of. Strangely enough, I think Michael Steele understood that although it got obscured by his numerous unforced gaffes. I'm pretty sure Rience Priebus is on-board with it also.

centralcal

Many a previous spendthrift/earmarker in the GOP caucus has been getting fiscal religion as his/her 2012 primary approaches.

Amen, Porchlight.

JM Hanes

LOL, Ignatz. With my closet, I couldn't even run for dog catcher....

mockmook
    How about not alienating with Lisa Murkowski by interfering with her campaign?

    Posted by: Anne | January 08, 2012 at 09:20 AM

Winning a primary is "interfering"?

You don't really believe in representative democracy do you?

hit and run

I've been in JMH's closet. It is a spectacular closet.

JM Hanes

Cecil:

"And so far it appears to me the Tea Partyers are a lot more loyal to GOP "establishment" types when they lose the primary than the GOPers are when the shoe's on the other foot."

Absolutely. In Christine O'Donnell's defense, no one should underestimate how badly Mike Castle, himself, hurt her chances. In fact, he may be as responsible for her loss as anyone else. After complaining about her running a nasty campaign, he didn't just refuse to endorse her. His people went on making ex post facto headlines like this:

"She is a con artist who won by lying about Castle's positions and her own life," said Kate Dickens, a Castle aide. "Out of state support was enough to pull her through yesterday so she can rely on it through November."
While I continue to think that Castle, or a more formidable alternative, would have won, I think O'Donnell would have made a far better showing, including a possible win, if she hadn't been undercut by a man with a considerable constituency of potential supporters.

JM Hanes

hit:

Fortunately, you're not a skeleton yet. Unless the press starts speculating about the connection between a beer-drinking stalker and my Imelda Marcos collection of shoes.

daddy

Great comments JMH.

And not just this one, which is absolutely correct:

--And so far it appears to me the Tea Partyers are a lot more loyal to GOP "establishment" types when they lose the primary than the GOPers are when the shoe's on the other foot.--

Lisa M did enormous damage to Conservative's up here, and I wouldn't walk across the street to poop on her.

JM Hanes

Thanks, daddy!

The credit for the comment on loyalty goes to Cecil. I just agreed with him completely. Ditto for his comment on coalition politics.

JM Hanes

daddy:

"I wouldn't walk across the street...."

Even Carmen Tisch wouldn't bother when she's only worth $1.7 million. So far.

Anne

JM Hanes @ 1:51
Porchlight @ 2:41
mocknook @ 3;12

1.) Obviously, you, collectively, are completely unaware of the intracasies of what occured in Alaska, and yet you are very opinionated. Go figure. I've been trying to think of a tactful way to say this, but I can't. So I'll be blunt. The three of you don't know wtf you're talking about. Really.

2.) Obviously, also, you, collectively, don't know squat about Karl Rove's credentials and his history either, and you really don't know what occurred in Delaware, and yet you're very opinionated about those issues, too. Go figure.

3.) Yeah, 12:07, that was pretty much just the rationale that I expected. But with your state of mind, I'm sure that it makes perfect sense to you. (It's genetic, you know.) LOL!!!!!!!

Commas

Uncle!

We give!

Stop torturing us like that.

Anne

Again ignatz, when I'm talking about oranges,
you want to talk about apples. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.

Threadkiller

No insults from Anne...

Anne

Insults? No. Exasperation? Yes

BTW, How many sock puppets do you use?

Threadkiller

None.

So only in exasperation you suggest one of the most well versed posters work on his reading comprehension?

Sounds like a cop out.

narciso

If you depend on the Daily News, the north bound end of the McClatchy octopus, yo u wouldn't know the story, how Fagan one of the establishment stalwarts finally came around to realizing how truly useless Murkowski would be,

Susanne

Anne,
I don't think the word insult means what you think it means.
Or, maybe you just like to be rude.
Whatever.

JM Hanes

Anne:

There's no evidence that you, individually, know squat about Alaska. You clearly weren't here for daddy's real time blow by blow of both media coverage and campaign developments there, from start to finish.

There's zero evidence that you, individually, know any more about Rove's credentials than anybody else here, or that I, for example, have defended his role in the last election ad infinitum. You do know that Rove, himself, kept Sharon Angle's campaign afloat, right? She's not the only newly inspired candidate who benefitted from his resources, of course.

I see no comment at 12:07, but your ostensible response is downright silly, in any case. You're in no position to take anyone to task for opinionated assertions, and the more exclamation points you add to your LOLs the less convincing your putative amusement becomes.

All of which is too bad, because it would be nice to have someone on board who is willing to make a thoughtful, forthright case for establishment Republican positions and defend them on substance instead of just tossing out ad hominems when folks take the time to reply.

Ignatz

--Again ignatz, when I'm talking about oranges,
you want to talk about apples. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.--

You said O'Donnell was a disgrace so I attempted to determine if any RINOS who repeatedly aid or assist Dems and in one case fled the Republican party would be considered disgraces by you. I wasn't comparing apples to oranges. I was attempting to find out if apples even exist in your universe.
As you have done repeatedly, you refused to answer or respond.
You never corrected your mischaracterization of Mossad's view of a nuclear Iran and you never demonstrated what was supposedly specious about the first comment of mine you criticized.
Considering the number of drive-bys you've committed on this thread you might consider changing your part affiliation to Dem.

hit and run

How many sock puppets do you use?

They're not sock puppets,Anne. They're automated trollatron bots.

Learn the difference and you'll unlock the key to all understanding.

Anne

Ignatz, you aren't even rational.

narciso

So, I'm going to regret asking this question, Anne, how to do you feel about Palin, on balance?

Ignatz

--Ignatz, you aren't even rational.--

That's what my brother tells me all the time.

Anne

narcisco @ 8:48

I'm ambivalent.

JM Hanes

Anne:

Responding to your comment in the Debate thread.

I did not claim that Rubio was a wholly owned Tea Party candidate, even though he was frequently characterized that way in the press. If you track the numbers, as I suggested, you'll see that he had almost no money, almost no name recognition, and that Charlie Crist was still outpolling him in a big way, when Tea Party support started rolling in, as far back as the primaries. He certainly went on to win in his own right, but all that time he spent on the Tea Party circuit gave him a pivotal boost at a pivotal moment. Even if you deny that the Tea Parties played any roll at all in his election, "your man" Rubio sure doesn't share your view of the movement. Quite the contrary!

Perhaps the fact that you have a problem remembering anything else from my comment is emblematic.

Anne

JM @ 9:08

LOL. In a word, bullsh*t. Too funny.

You ditz. I was in Marco's campaign.

Porchlight

Once again, great work, Anne. I'm sure "Marco" (since you're clearly on a first name basis - how impressive) really appreciates your attempts to alienate his supporters (I sent money to his campaign and so did many others here).

Or are you trying to tell us that Marco's lip service to the Tea Party is just that - lip service?

Again, an interesting way to go about trying to win elections.

Threadkiller

You must have never been on Marco's campaign bus. Here he is thanking the Tea Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHG6to_IIY

JM Hanes

Anne:

"I was in Marco's campaign."

I'd be very interested in knowing when you joined his campaign and what your job was.

bgates

mockmook:

Where in that did he say that Washington should right our moral ship?

Something I have noticed in following politics is that when a candidate discusses a problem, he very often means to suggest that upon election he will be able to solve the problem. You may be interested to learn that the office which Santorum hopes to win is located in Washington.

Anne

POrchlight @ 9:44
Threadkiller @ 9.45

LOL - Some would say
that you people have
dug yourselves into
a deep enough hole
already, and that you
ought to stop digging.

But not me. I wouldn't
say that. No sirree.

You people are too
sharp for me. You
have worn me out. :)

Anne

JM @ 9:51

Um that is classified information. If
I told you, I would have to kill you.

JM Hanes

Marco! You ditz!

I would not be here without the support of Tea Parties and 9/12 movement folks all across Florida. I remember that every single day. I remember our campaign when we started. We were way down in the polls and you believed in me and have given me this extraordinary opportunity to be a voice, on your behalf, at this important time in our history. I want you to know that the things we fought for in 2010 together still matter and they'll matter even more in this coming year of 2012.

Gosh. You'd almost think he read my post.

mockmook

Something I have noticed in following politics is that when a candidate discusses a problem, he very often means to suggest that upon election he will be able to solve the problem. You may be interested to learn that the office which Santorum hopes to win is located in Washington.

Posted by: bgates | January 08, 2012 at 09:53 PM

Then you should be able to name one specific "morality" problem Santorum has suggested should be solved by Washington (beyond the definition of marriage).

hit and run

Heh. Call JMH a ditz while claiming some type of service to Rubio's campaign. JMH inquires about your service there -- and you decide to bug out?

Brave.

hit and run

"I could say a lot more but Marco (he insists I call him Marco) would not want me to."

JM Hanes

hit:

Well, at least I know how I would classify it now.

Anne

JM @ 10:13

That proves nothing .., ditzy.
Well ..., except that you can
come up with ditzy rationales
which reinforce your delusions.

Jane

In Anne's words: LOL. Anyone else notice that she provides not one ounce of evidence for all those holier than thou pronouncements?

"Iran is not a threat. LOL"
"it's all the tea party's fault, LOL"
"lisa murkoski is a great senator, LOL"

To which I say LOLOLOL

DrJ

Time for a new entry into the Narcisolator.

Threadkiller

Bens-Anne? Is this part of the experiment?

Anne

Pssst, you need more sock puppet reinforcements.

hit and run

you need more sock puppet reinforcements.

How many people do you think are posting in responses to you?

Marco thinks everyone here is his or her own individual.

JM Hanes

"Psst, you need more sock puppet reinforcements"

And you need to restock that barrel with fish.

JM Hanes

Speaking of experiments, I'm only about 2 refinements away from turning out the world's best short ribs.

hit and run

Next weekend?

DrJ

On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're a Dog.

Or a putative Rubio worker. Huh.

bgates

one specific "morality" problem Santorum has suggested should be solved by Washington (beyond the one that I'll concede right away)

Well, this little fracas started after JMH said that Santorum "clearly seems to believe that it is up to Washington to right our moral ship", when actually Santorum wants people to know that "he believes that at its core, America is a moral enterprise, but that foundation is quickly eroding", and so he wants to be President to "rebuild that foundation and lead the way on restoring traditional American values".

Since you asked for a specific moral issue, I'll have to refer to the link to Santorum's website and name abortion, "strengthening marriages, families, and fatherhood", and federal funding for abstinence education.

JM Hanes

Moral ship, moral enterprise.


Enterprise


Potato, potato.

narciso

You're on a roll, today, JM,

JM Hanes

I'll be cleaning out the skeletons in my closet, hit. But you could bring a shovel!

Anne

JM @ 10:43

Whoa ..., Touche. Kudos. LOL

See, folks? If they are conscientious, a ditz
can come up with a zinger, too ... once a year.

Jane

Fuck off Anne.

Ignatz

--Since you asked for a specific moral issue, I'll have to refer to the link to Santorum's website and name abortion, "strengthening marriages, families, and fatherhood", and federal funding for abstinence education.--

One problem Federalists (and I'm not saying Santorum is one) or anyone who simply wants to return to Constitutional governance have is that the Federal government has become so enmeshed in areas that are none of its business that it's impossible to not "solve" some of these issues outside of DC.
How does one solve the Federalized problem of abortion without involving Washington?
How does one "solve" the problems with the family and fatherhood that have been wrought by Federal welfare programs, which are still massive despite welfare reform, without involving Washington?
Even sex education has largely become Federally funded and promoted.
If Santorum's goal is stronger Washington involvement in those things then he's on the wrong track.
But is he talking about strengthening the Federal role in those issues, weakening it or at least attempting to undo some of the damage even if unwinding Washington's role is not possible presently?
Anybody done enough research to give a well versed answer?

Ignatz

--JMH inquires about your service there -- and you decide to bug out?

Brave.--

Hit you ditzy broad,
I'd have to say that Anne "bugged out" quite some time ago and that these things are rarely what one "decides".
If she did work on Rubio's campaign why do I suspect she was being paid by Crist to do so?

Anne

Jane @ 10:24

I'm a happy person, and I laugh a lot.

If that's a problem for you, maybe you
need to get a life, ya think? Sheesh!!!

Porchlight

Ah, yes, the old gambit - insult people and then when they take issue, tell them to lighten up. Original.

Anne, hard to believe you were on Rubio's campaign since you write exactly like a teenager.

Anne

Ignatz @ 8:54

Self-deprecating humor. I like that.

Have we made a breakthrough here? LOL

Anne

POrchlight @ 12:04

Context and relevancy. Context and relevancy.

Try to work on them, will you? You're so lame.

Porchlight

Try to work on them, will you? You're so lame.

Thanks for proving my point.

Anne

POrchlight @ 12:26

(yawn)

Ignatz

--Ignatz @ 8:54

Self-deprecating humor. I like that.

Have we made a breakthrough here? LOL--

Maybe you're new here.
My brother is a personality disordered nut case.
Much of what you say sounds like what he says.
I'll leave it to you to put it together.

--Context and relevancy. Context and relevancy. Try to work on them, will you?--

Hmm, maybe TK was right. That sounds like the Bens.

--You're so lame.--

But then maybe Porch was, cause that sounds like the Bens' ditzy teenage stepchild.

Anne

"Have we made a breakthrough here? LOL"


Well ..., maybe not. LOL

Dave (in MA)
They're not sock puppets,Anne. They're automated trollatron bots.
I thought the term was "cybot trolls".
Anne

Who is that "Bens" of whom you speak
so admiringly, enviously and jealously?


Just curious.

Ignatz

The experiment continues, TK.
Very insightful.

Anne

12:51

Pssst, Ignatz is wondering ....,
Hmmm, was that a trick question?

Jane

WE have arrived at the "now I'm just looking for attention" phase of her brief tenure here. Oh how predictable. (Funny she appears to be on west coast time)

Threadkiller

Little morphin' Anne, did the Rubio campaign pass feathers too?

The Bens?

Anne

Jane @ 1:10

Are you the same Jane that goes by the name "Unknown Jane" on another blog?

Hmmmm?

Jane

What blog?

Porchlight

TK,

Interesting use of ellipses and comma. Seems like I have seen that before.

Anne

Porchlight @ 1:20

Yeah, I posted here yesterday,
you ditz. Isn't she observant?

Can't make this stuff up, folks. LOL

Threadkiller

It comes down to Bungduster, the Bens, or a generic NPC. Since "identity" has not been used I do not suspect Bung.

Jane

It actually comes down to b-o-r-i-n-g.

Threadkiller

Jane is right. Bye Bens.

Anne

Jane @ 1:32


But, but, but how can that be? The longest
threads here have my savvy comments on them.

Anne

@ 1:16

Did anyone ever tell you that you are [very] strange?

Wait, don't tell me, this is a family blog,
right? You're all brothers and sisters and brothers are married to their sisters and to their mothers, right. That explains it.

Jane

Anne,

WEll gosh darn, you just gave yourself away.

You haven't been around long enough to know if a thread is long.

Now got get a feather and stick it up your ass.

Anne

Jane just went to try to get a life,
but she will be back. Count on it.

Don't you miss her already? LOL

Jane

I live here Anne. You are just visiting to shit on the living room rug.

Anne

See? She is back already. I told ya.

Guess she didn't have any luck. Can't
imagine why, can you? She's so classy.

Anne

I hate being schizophrenic.

Anne

and so do I. LOL

Anne

Jane @ 2:14

You have carpeting in your trailer?

Whoa, I'm impressed.

Jane has wall-to-wall, in-door, out-door carpeting in her trailer, folks. Classy, huh?

It's a pretty mosaic, too, pieced together from scraps which she found in the landfill behind her trailer while dumpster-diving for her new, spring wardrobe. Our roly poly little Jane; she's a Tea Partier, you know.

Anne

@ 2:48 & 2:49

Did I say that? I don't remember saying that. But it was funny. Betcha Janet
(or Jane) wishes that she had said that.

Anne

"My brother is a personality disordered nut case." - Ignatz @ 12:32 pm 01/09/12

After reading your comments, any rational and reasonably astute person would want to hear your brother's side of the story.

Personally, I suspect that that was what you were screaming when the men in white coats threw a net over you and took you to the padded cell from where you now post your loopy comments.

In any case, to have sneakily made disparaging remarks about your own brother behind his back, and to have washed out your family's dirty laundry in public here in this forum was in bad taste, and, in fact, it would have been inappropriate for [any] venue.

I'm sure that you have been told this before, but you've got a big mouth and you talk to much and you don't know when to shut up. You're clueless, too, but very opinionated. Go figure. BTW, I meant that in the nicest way. No hard feelings? LOL

Ignatz

I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies to Dana.
Obviously Anne is my psychopathic brother.
Hey, bro.

hit and run

I cannot tell a lie. I kinda have a crush.

Anne

Ignatz @ 3:34

Um, what is obvious is that
you are stupid white trash.
(You don't know any better.)

Anne

Oh, now I remember Iggy. Wasn't Iggy
the toothless goober in Deliverance?
Who would be surprised to learn that
Iggy's brother is also Iggy's husband?

Ignatz

My apologies to my psychopathic brother then.
Sylvia, perhaps?
Is that what your post means Hit?

Anne

More relevant:

Is Huntsman's win in New Hampshire an anomaly, or what? The only way that I
can account for his 3rd place finish
is that his wife and all three of his
daughters are hotties, and when all
four of them campaigned for him, they
got men to vote with their peckers,
instead of with their brains. Weird.
We haven't seen that phenomenon since
Jackie was JFK's runningmate in 1959.
Some Americans learned [nothing] from
the past three years. I'm incredulous.

In other news, GE's former CEO, Jack
Welch, said that "'Romney Is the Most Qualified Leader I've Ever Seen Run for President". That cinches it. One of
Obama's financial contributors wants
Republicans to support Romney. LOL

BTW, did I mention that Iggy is nuttier
than a squirrel turd?

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