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January 28, 2012

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Neo

While I was surfing through the channels last night, I came upon RT (Russia Today) going on about how Judicial Watch was trying to get photos of the UBL raid released.
RT's view was that there really was "no proof" that the raid had actually gone down (except for the crashed-exploded remains of a helicopter).

RT referred to it as yet another example of Obama's life for which there really isn't any proof that it ever happened the way he said it did.

If for argument sake, you assume that UBL wasn't in Abbottabad that fateful night, you are left with President "Gutsy Call" sending in folks for a failed crash mission. Wow! Now that is pretty scary.

Melinda Romanoff

No, worse, you're left with Panetta over-ruling VaJar to go and crash a bird.

MarkO

Did the story mention who really killed JFK?

Benjamin Franklin

"If for argument sake, you assume that UBL wasn't in Abbottabad that fateful night, you are left with President "Gutsy Call" sending in folks for a failed crash mission. Wow! Now that is pretty scary."

Paging Orly Taitz.......

Clarice

The Weekly Standard reports--as did the Sarasota papers--that Newt is playing to enthusiastic packed houses throughout the state.

Others note that the undecideds can swing this to him.

It's not a sure thing and state polls are notoriously unreliable. They cost too much for anyone to afford them be done regularly enough to offer a solid comparison base.

sbw

Look, if Newt gets the nod, we've got to push explanations to the independents why the tea party agenda matters to get their votes.

If Mitt gets the nod, we've got to push explanations to Mitt why the tea party agenda matters to get his attention.

Clarice

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/01/florida-tea-party-leaders-endorse-newt.html

Fla tea party just endorsed Newt.

Danube of Thought

You'd have to get about two dozen SEALs and 4,000 sailors in USS Carl Vinson to go along with the gag and keep mum. Nobody offering to tell the true story to the Enquirer or TMZ for a million bucks or so.

Right.

Rick Ballard

SBW,

Should Governor Romney prevail, the first order of business will be the protection of the current Tea Party caucus in the House, the second order of business will be to increase its numbers.

Finding someone who is fluent enough in RINOsaurian to pen a note for Governor Romney to ignore wouldn't make any list that I would make for Tea Party members. I would definitely calendar a dose of MittBrand for November 6th but there are other, more pressing matters, to attend to in the interim.

narciso

Where the watchword is 'Ryazan' and Politskayava is an abject lesson in the dangers of speaking truth to power, I wouldn't put much terust.

Ranger

Ignaz,

I was out last night so I missed your post until this morning. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.

Rocco

My wife and I fished for Marlin in Kona on the Kona Kokane. Curious about the name, I asked the first mate why someone would name a vessel Kona Kokane. He told me he and his father were leasing the boat for sportfishing from the original owners who were in jail. I assumed it was for drug related crimes. We hooked into but lost a beautiful 650 lb'er according to the skipper. I'll never forget that beautiful fish dancing on top of the water.

sbw

Rick, I said explanations, but I really meant what you said -- a compelling reason: a Tea Congress.

Ranger

BTW, I have to say that I totally agree with Rush's point yesterday that the vicious attack on Newt would be encouraging, if it indicated they would do that same thing to Obama in the general ellection, but he doubted that they would because the "establishment Republicans" are much more comfortable with Obama (who they consider one of their own in many ways) than they are with Newt.

pagar

TK, Reference Mel's 10:38am Link. There's a more graphic version here:

http://4closurefraud.org/2012/01/26/reuters-old-mortgages-rise-from-the-dead-haunt-homeowners/

"What made the story even more strange to the Bowers is that when Sheila Bowers called the Federal Housing Administration to get help, the FHA, in a letter filed in court papers and dated October 19, 2010, told her that the loan Wells Fargo was trying to collect on did not exist. Instead, the FHA said it had documentation showing that the Bowers' original loan "was terminated on July 1, 2009, by prepayment," suggesting that Wells Fargo did pay it off. As far as the FHA was concerned, the loan that Wells Fargo was enforcing didn't exist."

Will the new fraud task force get on this right away? Maybe not, I understand one of the co-chairs missed the first photo op.
Now we're told:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204573704577184884228120216.html?mod=WSJ_Markets_BelowLiveUpdates

"Lawyers for onetime midlevel IndyMac executives Kenneth Shellem and Richard Koon say the FDIC failed to collect and preserve documents and emails after taking receivership of IndyMac following the bank's 2008 collapse, leaving the pair handicapped in mounting their defense."


"The breadth and depth of the government's document-retention failures are staggering, and violations of this magnitude rarely occur," lawyers for the two said last week in court papers filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles. "It is a stunning display of incompetence from an agency that is supposed to be the expert at seizing and managing banks."

I can get the Wall Street Journal complete article but I can't get it to post as a link.

centralcal

"I am Mitt Romney and I approved this message."

Byron York (an Mike Allen) say Romney has made a heavy ad buy and that this ad will blanket the State of Florida.

Only person speaking in the Ad (until the Romney close) is: Tom Brokaw - NBC News. Yep, one of the Stars of the MFM gloating and grinning over Gingrich ethics charges.

Makes me want to puke.

Benjamin Franklin

"You'd have to get about two dozen SEALs "

I've heard Team 6 has about 200 Seals.

MarkO

"'establishment Republicans' are much more comfortable with Obama (who they consider one of their own in many ways) than they are with Newt."

If this is true it is a variant of treason. Were I to suspect this (as opposed to seeing it as bombast) I would vote for Paul. About 80% (I'm not good at math) of what Paul says not only makes sense but would bring us back to neutral in a hurry.

I don't know who the "establishment" is and I think Rush means anyone who doesn't agree with him for purposes of his radio show. I've been looking for that bit of enlightenment since the first day Dot brought it up.

Is the last nominee for VP establishment? If not, how can one define it?

Ranger

Well, David Brooks is the most illustrative mouthpiece of the Republican establishment... need I say more.

centralcal

Well, MarkO, perhaps it depends on who you ask. That photo I posted yesterday of the Bushies with Obama at the White House only had a caption, no explanation. So, leave it to Politico to find out why they were there:

The Bushes are in town to attend the exclusive Alfalfa Club dinner Saturday, an annual get-together for Washington power brokers that Obama also is scheduled to attend, according to the Associated Press.

Are "power brokers" establishment folks for either party? Or are they also just like the elusive "Yeti?"

MarkO

"David Brooks is the most illustrative mouthpiece of the Republican establishment..." He's a columnist for the NYT. Why not list that flamiing liberal Ann Coulter? Is Christie estabishment? Are those not in the "establishment," called "fringe?"

I see it as an epithet, being applied not factaully but argumentatively to suggest that some candidates are liberal stalking horses. I don't think that's particularly useful as a means of evaluating a candidate.

I find it stunning that a man who was the Speaker of the House and who has represented the Rupublican party for 30 years or so can be described as an outsider or not part of the "establishment." Not credible.

Ranger

On side note, I'm sure this will go over well:

Germans want EU budget commisioner for Greece

A leaked plan from the German government proposes a eurozone "budget commissioner" to take control of Greece's tax and spending, reports say.

So, would that be a Prefect or a Prator?

centralcal

I think he is part of the "establishment" MarkO. But he is running for President and his fellow members are all in for someone else.

In other news, looks like Mack and Bono have joined Chaffetz in going to every Gingrich campaign event.

I guess they now have an "OccupyNewt" thing going on. ha ha.

Rick Ballard

Oberpräsident

Ranger

MarkO,

The issue isn't one of ideology so much as cultural comfort and predictability. The "establishment" is comfrotable with Obame because he went to the right schools and he is predictable (even if that is as a predictable leftie). They aren't comfortable with Newt because, even though he is of DC, he is a southerner, and Army brat, and he also has many grand ideas. Nothing scares an elite more than truely new and grand ideas. Remember that the Republican establishment disliked and feared Reagan too for much the same reason until after he was long out of office.

Neo

Based on 2009 tax data, an income (AGI) of $343,927.00 or more places you in the top 1%.
Based solely on her income from Harvard, $429,000 , Elizabeth Warren is a 1%-er.

Top 1% $343,927.00 or more with an average tax rate of 24.01%
Top 5% $154,643.00 or more with an average tax rate of 20.46%
Top 10% $112,124.00 or more with an average tax rate of 18.05%
Top 25% $ 66,193.00 or more with an average tax rate of 14.68%
Top 50% $ 32,396.00 or more with an average tax rate of 12.50%

MarkO

I think there is a group of people here who went to all of those right school and are anything but comfortable with Obama.

I loved Reagan from the speech in 1964.

Predictibility is not a bad thing in a presidential candidate. That's one of my issues with the current Newt. He's everywhere and frequently not anywhere near a policy I could endorse.

boris

In the current media atmosphere it is just a lot safer to rip Newt than it would be to rip Obama. So in the primary Mitt can rip on Newt with nary a peep from the MFM, but in the general Mitt would come in for serious pushback on criticism of Obama.

Stephanie

Off to the course but as far as establishment...

Ye shall know them by their deeds.

Benjamin Franklin

"Elizabeth Warren is a 1%-er."

Yeah. I wonder why she is working against her own selfish interests?

boris

lack of self awareness no doubt

Porchlight

I find it stunning that a man who was the Speaker of the House and who has represented the Rupublican party for 30 years or so can be described as an outsider or not part of the "establishment." Not credible.

centralcal got it right. In this election, the GOP establishment favors another candidate - Romney. Therefore, in this election, Newt is the anti-establishment candidate.

Porchlight

I agree with you about Newt being unpredictable, MarkO. It has to be weighed along with several other factors.

Danube of Thought

There were about two dozen on the raid, as I recall.

Benjamin Franklin

"lack of self awareness no doubt"

You are aware of the meaning? Carry on...

narciso

So it's nice that Journal is hiring Politico writer, Carol Lee, from her and other sources
I see that Marco is endorsing Romney, even though he's the 'anti immigrant' candidate, although having employed said workers, in the past, someone didn't send the right script. Or maybe it just doesn't matter anymore, like
the 'Scott of the Antarctic' Python spoof that
was set in California,

Danube of Thought

I don't believe there's a single Republican, "establishment" or otherwise, who would prefer Obama to Newt. I think there are scores of millions of Independents who would.

narciso

That's where I got this from;


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203363504577187003272567474.html?KEYWORDS=CAROL+E+LEE

Porchlight

I think there are some Republicans who think that Newt would be so bad that another Obama term would be preferable. I've seen them commenting here and there. The idea seems to be that Obama will be so radical in his second term that no one can fail to comprehend the damage he is doing (as opposed to now when he is forced to disguise it in order to be re-elected). Thus, the country will overwhelmingly elect a conservative Republican in 2016 that (presumably) is of higher quality than anyone currently running.

I don't agree with it and it's not prevalent, but I have seen that view expressed.

I also think there are some (mostly Beltway) Repubs whose gravy train would have more juice in a second Obama term than it would under a Gingrich administration.

narciso

This is what it was before the Democrats and the Courts made it worse, this is the Fnork's
hill to die on;


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june06/massachusetts_4-5.html

boris

"who would prefer Obama to Newt"

The impression is that some are willing to use destructive tactics of the left to take out a threat to their candidate. Which may indeed sway a significant fraction of the muddle and detract from Newt's electability in the general.

Thus a possible result of their actions may be at odds with your assertion as to their intentions.

Army of Davids

Wonder why we never hear anything about this from the media?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/06/washington-post-and-cbs-receiving-money-from-obamacare-slush-fund/>ObamaCare/Media slush fund


Clarice

Frankly, porch, I like anyone or either party dealing with Congress or the feds in DC will make as much whether Obama or Mitt wins. I do not see much significant differences in their approach to big govt.

henry

Add one fleebagger to the primary for Walker's recall. That field is far weaker than the ABO group.

Jane

Thus, the country will overwhelmingly elect a conservative Republican in 2016 that (presumably) is of higher quality than anyone currently running.

We don't have that much time.

Captain Hate

I find it stunning that a man who was the Speaker of the House and who has represented the Rupublican party for 30 years or so can be described as an outsider or not part of the "establishment." Not credible.

You act like this is a static situation which it isn't. Newt fell out of favor when things fell apart in Congress. Do you think it's easy trying to herd together a bunch of Mike Castles and Chris Smiths? Plus there were a few free spending jackholes that got us into the mess that we're still enduring. Also the Contract With America contained term limits which most of those career mutts refused to adhere to.

maryrose and I have endured RINO garbage like Voinovich staying in place because none of the party grandees wanted to rock the boat even though he never met a tax increase he didn't covet.

peter

Obama has been a stealth socialist incrementalist for thirty years. If reelected he will flood the courts with bad appointments, he will implement thousands of bad regulations, he will weaken our military even more than he has, and he will lower our standard of living permanently. If his popularity should plummet, he will, as he has, throttle back ever so slightly.

Clarice

Yes, much of the Gingrich animus arises from those whose toes he stepped on to transform Congress.

narciso

We can always do with a boisterous Haha, at the resident genius, 'what color is the sky over there'


http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/climate-change-goes-back-square-zero

Newt, left, but Hastert stayed, and so did Delay, and any aggressive reform really ground to a halt in the House, as Ney and Cunningham would prove.

Danube of Thought

Dr. K has gone over to the Fnork, now apparently defined as those opposed to Newt:

On this weekend’s broadcast of “Inside Washington,” Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said the moon base idea could be the beginning of the end for the Gingrich campaign.

“I think the moon base was Newt jumping the shark, or to use another analogy, it could have been his Dukakis in the tank moment, because it was a caricature of him,” Krauthammer said. “And Romney used it cleverly to say that Newt was going out around every state promising x, y, and z. And of course, on the space coast in Florida, he would appeal to them.”

Krauthammer went on to say that the must win debate for Gingrich in Jacksonville, Fla. Thursday, critical for his momentum going into the Florida primary next Tuesday, was instead a victory for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Benjamin Franklin

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=63892

The Navy wants to save this ship from mothballs and make it a 'Mother Ship'. I'm not military expert, but isn't it dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket (Beirut Marine Barracks)?

A platform for SEALS is good, but this may be a reaction to the new budget, and it is penny-wise but poundingly stupid.

Danube of Thought

We don't have that much time.

I agree. Barring a favorable decision by the SCt, if Obama isn't kicked out this year Obamacare will be a permanent and irreversible part of American life. The corrosive and debilitating effects of that law will be far-reaching.

narciso

What the fellow who told Sarah to 'leave the room' during the death panels debate, who said
the tea party would ultimately cause a backlash for Obama, no he's well ensconced in the Fnork.

Benjamin Franklin

"he will weaken our military even more than he has, "

Donald Rumsfeld?

Captain Hate

Exactly right, DoT. Even though it's unpopular, after another four years it will be impossible to uproot it and salt the earth. That's why Norm Coleman's statement was such a head-scratcher.

Clarice

Fla outcome still unclear.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/what-it-is-aint-exactly-clear/

narciso

A little more context, and this was long before Florida.

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/12/10/gingrich-romney-spar-on-space-in-iowa-debate/

Porchlight

I also agree we don't have that kind of time and that Obama needs to be defeated now.

Again, I don't share the view I described of Repubs who would prefer Obama to Newt. I presented it only as a response to DoT's assertion that he did not believe there was a single such Republican.

Clarice

Some victory for Romney when Santorum pasted him on Obamacare, the thing that most of us are most concerned about repealing.

Benjamin Franklin


TEHRAN (FNA)- Members of the Iranian parliament finalized a draft bill on cutting the country's oil exports to the European states in retaliation for the EU's oil ban against Tehran, a senior legislator said on Saturday.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010172771

narciso

You know it's a shame, what this is doing, as with Haley, the contradiction seems clear;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/were-screwed-florida-ag-pam-bondi-claims-mitt-wants-romneycare-in-every-state-video/

Cecil Turner

Newt's clearly in the right on space exploration. It's a national disgrace that we're sidelining our cadre of talented scientists and engineers by shelving the shuttle with no follow-on program. And those who don't see the long-term benefits of space programs either don't realize what a minuscule part of the budget goes to NASA, or are being penny wise and pound foolish.

And, BTW, the inspiration to schoolchildren Newt cited is one of the better reasons to support it.

Captain Hate

Romneycare in 50 states? What could go wrong with that?

I can't wait until the Tea Party gets blamed for screwing the pooch on this election.

Ignatz

--Members of the Iranian parliament finalized a draft bill on cutting the country's oil exports to the European states in retaliation for the EU's oil ban against Tehran, a senior legislator said on Saturday.--

Kind of like a drunk refusing to patronize a bar he's been tossed out of.

narciso

Ah, they don't need gas,Ignatz, they take public transportation

narciso

Ah, Gabe out at the 'Ole Cheese shop'( Ace) misses it by that much.

Captain Hate

I tried to set Gabe straight, so to speak.

Danube of Thought

This thread, taken as a whole, illustrates why I think "establishment" is not a useful term. It is used exclusively as a term of opprobrium by those who purport not to be in it, generally applied to candidates, and supporters of candidates, with whom they disagree. If you define it according to any criteria other than that it consists of those with whom you disagree at the moment, I promise that you will discover supporters of Gingrich, Romney and even Santorum within it.

narciso

By the standards of the individual mandate, you may be right, Danube, although Santorum has a better argument, had he been a little
less hectoring in the last debate, I might have voted for him,

Rick Ballard

CH,

The Tea Party Caucus has a very reasonable chance of becoming dominant within the GOP after this election. If more than half of the additional seats are taken by Tea Party candidates, then we can count on a flood of "me too" assertions from incumbents. When the caucus becomes dominant it will be able to staple its messages to a clue bat before sending them to Governor Romney or Speaker Gingrich in the Oval Office.

I do not believe that we need to worry about Governor Romney abandoning the gutter should he prevail in the primary. This is his last chance - he has no Senate seat into which he can fall back in comfort.

Captain Hate

That's a good point, Rick, and lessens my apprehension that Willard might go McCain v2.0 in the general. Thanks, you've made me feel slightly better.

Good comment @ AoS randolph narc.

narciso

WE may have a problem with one of the new candidates to join, it's a small thing, as they usually are;

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/27/2611839/freddie-mac-attack-boomerangs.html

peter

Dr. Livingstone, I presume?

It's January 28, the birth anniversary of Stanley. LUN

Danube of Thought

"we're sidelining our cadre of talented scientists and engineers"

Surely they can turn those talents to undertakings for which there is a market demand.

narciso

REally, shouldn't they have a little bit of shame to stoop so low;


Brokaw, whose statement noted he was speaking on his behalf, said, "I am extremely uncomfortable with the extended use of my personal image in this political ad. I do no want my role as a journalist compromised for political gain by any campaign."

"The NBC Legal Department has written a letter to the campaign asking for the removal of all NBC News material from their campaign ads," NBC News said in a statement, which added, "Similar requests have gone out to other campaigns that have inappropriately used Nightly News, Meet the Press, Today and MSNBC material."

Clarice

Oh, no, Brokaw compromised!!! How is that possible?

Thomas Collins

Narciso, I don't think the article linked in your 1:30 PM post correctly interprets Bondi's remarks. I think she was defending Romney's health proposals, but she was also asserting that the states should be able to forge their own solutions. She didn't, in the clip, address the crucial point of how much latitude states would have if ObamaCare is repealed and Congress and Romney agree on some replacement federal legislation.

peter

Well, it is also the birthday of Carlos Slim, he of the one per cent of the Slimes.

Captain Hate

Surely they can turn those talents to undertakings for which there is a market demand.

I don't think there's much of a market for aero engineers, at least in large numbers, without an active space program.

Commies For Romney

We want to assure you lazy bums, deadbeats, freeloaders and parasites receiving food stamps, unemployment checks and free medical care for the past three years that all of you will continue to receive those entitlements after Mitt Romney is elected, along with lots of other nice free perks that you will like.

Trust Romney. He will continue Obama's policies of redistributing the wealth and of f*cking up both domestic and foreign policies even worse than they are already.

So don't despair. You can continue to lounge around lethargically on your fat, lazy asses, posting on blogs, instead of getting a job and going back to work, and Romney will see to it that you will get unemployment checks indefinitely, and besides we'll get rid of that black guy and replace him with a white guy. Cool, huh?

This message was approved by Romney PACs.

centralcal

Now, Clarice, I am sure if President Obama made an Ad using that exact same clip against R. Nominee Gingrich, Brokaw would protest just as vehemently as is now. /snark

Cecil Turner

Surely they can turn those talents to undertakings for which there is a market demand.

Of course. It's not the effect on unemployment that concerns me; it's the loss of capability to the nation as the expertise goes into other fields. And stop calling me Shirley.

A man smarter than both of us, Stephen Hawking points up the obvious:

In a radio interview marking his birthday, which covered a wide range of topics, Hawking repeated his oft stated assertion that humanity must colonize space in order to ensure its long term survival.
I'd add a couple corollaries:
  • sooner is better than later; and,
  • there are significant advantages to being first.
Oh, yeah: and it's cheap. Like the crash fusion program we're not doing, we'd be stupid to miss the opportunity. And yet we do.

MarkO

You can aruge that Mitt is lying about it, but you cannot fairly claim that he has not promised to undo Obamacare whateve it takes. Read on.

ROMNEY: Well, I will certainly pursue repeal, and that’s something which will occur if we have a Republican House and a Republican Senate, my guess is it could be done pretty close to day one. If that’s not the case, and I have to go through the waiver process, we will do our best. Our lawyers think that providing a state a waiver that we will be able to conform with the law and that the state would be able to opt out of the system, but if a lawsuit ensues, and it takes months to sort it out, well during that time hopefully we will have the bill repealed. I think people recognize that if I’m elected President of the United States, that we are not going to have Obamacare with its full panoply of benefits and costs. The American people don’t want it. I don’t want it. And we’ll repeal it. And if the waiver process is able to successfully stop it in its tracks, as we think it will, great. It doesn’t stop everything of course. Some elements go on. The tax being collected and so forth, that you can’t get out of that by waiver – it requires the ultimate repeal.

Anyone with any knowledge of the law and process think there is something faster or better?

Porchlight

If you define it according to any criteria other than that it consists of those with whom you disagree at the moment, I promise that you will discover supporters of Gingrich, Romney and even Santorum within it.

Correct. I do not define it as "those with whom I disagree at the moment." There are certainly non-establishment Romney supporters and establishment Gingrich and Santorum supporters.

However, the bulk of the establishment is behind Romney. I don't see how that's arguable unless one believes that there is no such thing as the GOP establishment. You can assert that, but I think most people here would not agree.

Porchlight

MarkO, then why was Coleman (Romney's advisor) saying we wouldn't repeal if Romney was elected?

It's very hard to trust Romney on this.

Neo

The networks typically don't like (i.e. they make a call to the campaign to stop) the usage of their news clips in political commercials.

Let's see if they call this time.

Captain Hate

It's possible that the blog that had Pam Bondi's comments took them out of context. But as Porch said, Coleman has done Willard no favors in clarifying his position.

narciso

I'm kind of surprised at that, do they just want their share of the winnings.

Cecil Turner

I do not define it as "those with whom I disagree at the moment."

A definition is in fact tough. (And I love "fnork" btw.) But if I had to take a stab at it, it'd be something like:

Those with a relatively influential position in politics networking and trading money, favors, and endorsements; whose primary goal is improving or maintaining the political fortunes of a particular group (party).
I'd suggest a candidate's views aren't terribly useful in determining fnork status . . . but who endorses him is. Likewise a candidate can be uber-fnork for years (say Newt 1994-1998), and be ousted from fnorkhood (like when he resigned to avoid future party losses). Rush is convinced establishment Republicans fear a Newt candidacy will result in down-ticket losses (I think he's right and they're wrong).

Gmax

Norm Coleman former Democrat officeholder turned Minnesota Republican. And lost to Al Franken for gosh sakes.

Cecil Turner

You can aruge that Mitt is lying about it, but you cannot fairly claim that he has not promised to undo Obamacare whateve it takes.

I hope you can appreciate that people might be a little leery of that position, especially coming from the guy who implemented the model program, still supports it, and seems to think the main issue with Obamacare is that the Feds are the ones doing it.

Commies For Romney

We're all about telling the truth about Romney, not about trashing Newt, so that politicians and other bureaucrats in Washington can continue to live like royalty, which won't happen if Newt gets to clean up the mess that they have created.

We will say one thing about that meanie, Newtie, though. Have you noticed that since Newt promised a shake-up in Washington, and with his history of have done so in the past, he has put the fear of God into politicians and bureaucrats? Which explains, of course, why so may of them have come out against him.

Empower politicians and bureaucrats. Vote for Romney. He's on your side, dontcha know. Honest injun. Truly. Would Commies lie to you? Have they ever lied to you here?

Neo
“We haven’t had time to do a real analysis of the Romney race in South Carolina, but once we break that down, there was some element of anti-Mormonism in that vote,” McCain asserted. “I’m not saying all of it, but there were elements there. There was nothing that Mitt Romney could have done.”

Excuse me while I puke.

Can we make John McCain the ambassador to VietNam or something ?

Threadkiller
Barbara
I am sure if President Obama made an Ad using that exact same clip against R. Nominee Gingrich, Brokaw would protest just as vehemently as is now. /snark

Heh! My thoughts exactly, cc.

Captain Hate

Whoa TK.

Rick Ballard

CH,

Try out "Nixon with money" as a thought experiment. Nixon spent '63-'67 building a heavy credit balance with a great many pols and cashed his chips in '68. He then conducted a ruthless campaign predicated upon the treatment he had received from the MFM in '60 and '62 (Cal Gov).

If shaving the dice doesn't work - throw a low blow while shouting "He did it first!".

Dufus Alert

If you believe that Romney will work to repeal Obamacare, and if you give Florida's AG Pam Bondi any credibility, I would like to sell you some prime real estate in a tropical paradise in the Dry Tortugas, protected from an invasion of illegal immigrants by the garrison at Fort Jefferson. All properties 3 miles south and west of Fort Jefferson, only $1,000 an acre.

Janet

Can we make John McCain the ambassador to VietNam or something ?

Agree Neo! Here is Bill in AZ's excellent post from the last thread -

The most disgusting thing about the volume of the Newt attacks is that I think some Fnork puke actually engaged Journolist to help. The most likely candidate in my mind, having observed him in his native habitat for too many years, is Juan "bend over the aisle" McAmnesty. During the last election here in AZ, since he didn't need to spend much of his time or money defending his own re-election, he spent it destroying other good candidates, especially tea party oriented candidates. A nudge here, a nod to a journolist wannabe MFMer, and the tea party candidate might as well have not even been in the race. He does it so effortlessly, you might think he studied "Reflexivity" at the knee of George Soros himself. He says we should continue to re-elect him because he knows how to get things done. Sadly, he does.

Posted by: Bill in AZ sez it's time for Obama/Holder murder trial in Mexico | January 28, 2012 at 09:05 AM

Jane

Cecil,

Are you not leery of anything Newt says, given his date with Nancy Pelosi on the couch, his work with Fannie and Freddie, his support of a health care mandate etc?

With Romney we know exactly what we should be worried about, do we know what the risks are with Newt? Or do people think he will be a conservative when in office even if he wasn't in the past? Do you think he believes in free enterprise even tho he made it clear it was an evil thing?

I can't figure out where that confidence comes from and how I missed it.

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