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January 22, 2012

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hit and run

TM:
And exit polls tell me that


Interesting. They told me this

Gmax

Ross Douchebag? What Sir Paul of Kruggers is on vacation?

jorod

Santorum knows all the platitudes but never made it in real life. He's a professional politician.

Danube of Thought

Lost his last race in PA by seventeen. Get him outta here.

Stephanie

Looks like postus interruptus has struck TM this morning.

Isn't there a pill for that?

Rick Ballard

He's a very pretty stalking horse. I wonder who buys his feed and curry combs?

clarice

A person can learn a lot more about political winds by ordering a Western omelet in the town's most popular diner and talking to people there, then they apparently can listening to pundits. IMO.

Remember more than 3 x as many people watched American Idol than watched the last debate and the tell in that debate was the AUDIENCE reaction, not the press's

centralcal

Exactly, Clarice. The "roar" mentioned by your fellow AT writer.

Benjamin Franklin

Red State is claiming there is nothing inevitable about Newt's nomination but the History of SC primaries says otherwise.

The Tea Party has really screwed the pooch, this time, eh?

Sometimes you get what you wish for. What now, folks?

Gmax

What now? just kicking a socialist incompetent to the curb. Nothing more than that, well maybe taking back the Senate and continuing the routing of Democrats in the Midwest and mid Atlantic also but nothing to get your feathers all ruffled about...

centralcal

Interesting little tidbit (signifying nothing except why CNN is at the bottom of news ratings.

At 7 pm FNC and MSNBC called SC for Gingrich.

The broadcast networks all had special reports doing the same.

At 7:34 pm CNN called SC for Gingrich.

Stephanie

Clarice, my tv was tuned to idol. ;)

Tuned in to idol does not preclude following live blogging and post game recaps via blogs and Internet news sites.

Those extrapolating data to prognosticate the electorate's proclivities forget that in the digital age multitasking is the norm not the exception.

Why are these fossil's opinions relevant again?

BumperStickerist

I'm impressed with the Left's newly found ability to vet a presidential candidate.

Sure, it's not theirs. But, still - watching them analyze background, put issues into context, and think through the candidates is like watching a newborn foal learning to take its first steps.

Why a lib friend of mine, non-ironically, raised a question about Rick Santorum's priest

Benjamin Franklin

"I'm impressed with the Left's newly found ability to vet a presidential candidate."

Just call it 'morbid' curiosity.

Extraneus
But he’s been more doggedly substantive throughout the debates than Gingrich, he’s done far more to raise issues that don’t always get aired in the national debate, and he’s drawn contrasts primarily on policy grounds rather than relying on media-bashing and boasts about his own intellectual prowess.

This could only be written by someone oblivious to the roar that cc referred to (and linked to in the earlier thread).

Stephanie

And to continue with a further thought/meme...

Just as "traditional" tax return release dates and "traditional" campaign strategies are circling the drain so too are "traditional" polling and trend analysis and other "traditional" tools the established candidates, parties, and pundits have relied on best relegated to the crapper.

This ain't your father's media age or electorate. It's surprising they made fun of Beck's blackboards and missed the mote.

Appalled

South Carolina going for Gingrich is like South Carolina going for President Jessie Jackson.

Romney does have to find a way to reach the people who have his ears closed to him. Will the talk show/Fox nexus that is the MSM equivalent for the Republican electorate let him?

So what does the GOP want -- someone who governs, but ideologically is only 70-75% pure? Or someone who does angry real well.

Old Lurker

We shall see now what Romney is made of.

Rick, should his advisors receive bonuses do you think?

Danube of Thought

TK, that document asked the signer to attest to a legal conclusion, which is what Obama's signature does.

Tell me what you think are the disputed issues of fact concerning his eligibility to be on the ballot.

Janet

Psst: Hear the Roar & Pay Attention

"The American conservative base has had to put up with being called stupid, racist, greedy and unfair for decades by not only the Democrats but the vast majority of the media."

"In fact, rare is the Republican candidate at any level who refuses to put up with this and fights back. When they do, they become sensations. Even Chris Christie and Donald Trump -- neither one a real conservative -- earned the love of the Republican base by simply deigning to fight back."

I loved Cheney & Rumsfeld because of this...& Rep. Joe "You Lie!" Wilson...
and Ann Barnhardt's "Lindey You Jackass" video.

Extraneus

So what does the GOP want -- someone who governs, but ideologically is only 70-75% pure? Or someone who does angry real well.

As I posted in the other thread, what I think a lot of people want is to *fight* and *defeat* the left, not just win an election. I know I do. I want them crying the day after the election.

Sarah Palin could have made them cry, and they knew it. I don't know about Gingrich.

Benjamin Franklin

"I loved Cheney & Rumsfeld because of this...& Rep. Joe "You Lie!" Wilson...
and Ann Barnhardt's "Lindey You Jackass" video."

I just want to hear the defense of Gnoot, should he let the 'N' word slip out during those 'debates'.

Old Lurker

This country is at a fork in the road. I want to elect a leader and a party that a)knows that, and b)will drag the country kicking and screaming onto the correct fork, burning all bridges to the wrong fork.

How's that?

Gmax

Man Appalled I can almost always count on you to spout the latest liberal talking point. Do a bing search on "angry candidate" and see (for yourself ) you are a Milly Vanilly knockoff.

Stephanie

((He's a very pretty stalking horse. I wonder who buys his feed and curry combs?))


Lol. They telegraph their next moves like seasoned political pros don't they?

Next up build up santorum to knock down newt. Too bad they forgot to check the odometer. That needle hasn't cracked 30 and the Hornet hatchback is sputtering. Ain't no paint job or upholstery upgrade gonna fix that.


((Romney does have to find a way to reach the people who have his ears closed to him. Will the talk show/Fox nexus that is the MSM equivalent for the Republican electorate let him?))

Let him??? Hell Hume was crying in his cups last night at the thought of a Newt candidacy.

centralcal

Exactly, Janet - and the author of "The Roar," too.

The questions about Obama that we have asked on this thread, beginning with his candidacy and all through his Presidency, that neither the elite media or political analysts (especially on OUR side) refuse to ask or even hint at, lest they be called a name - raaaacist!

Benjamin Franklin

Carville weighs in with his own 'morbidity', which is a positive word because it means the patient is still alive. (but in Hospice)

"At any rate, let's talk a minute about Mitt. He was your guy -- he was methodical, meticulous, married once. He has completely blown himself up over an issue that everyone knew was coming.

Have you had a chance to look at John McCain's research operation on Mitt? Wow. And let me assure you, that thing has been supplemented, expanded, and annotated. God only knows about the Obama people -- they've got a billion dollars! And how about my friends over at American Bridge (the Democrat-leaning political action committee)? Clearly Mitt is merely in the beginning of this tax-return, financial-disclosure, Cayman Island (and God only knows what else) fiasco.

Your new front-runner is one of your old front runners, Newt Gingrich. I would like to take a moment to revel: I cannot personally tell you how pleased I am to see old Newt rise to the top after listening to all of your nauseating, sickening lectures on the evils of government and the importance of family values."

Barbara
Sarah Palin could have made them cry, and they knew it. I don't know about Gingrich.

I know that the thought of Gingrich screwing this up makes me want to cry. As Bob Livingston said, "He's volatile." For as much as Romney is by the book, keep to the program, Gingrich is wing it and shoot from the hip. It's not only the campaign that I'm concerned about, it's what happens if Gingrich should actually get elected.

Shaheen Littlefeather

The parallels between 1932 and 2008 are not trifling.

Hoover won the nomination with 98% of the delegates, but it would be nearly 20 years before republicans regained the WH and 60 years before the House was regained.
Start rebuilding now, all ye of conservative hope.

Benjamin Franklin

Santorum really doesn't understand double-entendres, or does he?

http://www.angryblacklady.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120121-221125.jpg

Stephanie

((As I posted in the other thread, what I think a lot of people want is to *fight* and *defeat* the left, not just win an election. I know I do. I want them crying the day after the election.))

I'd go farther than that. The silent majority wants an example to follow that makes it acceptable and fashionable to poke their heads out of their windows and proclaims "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more". T'il now they dare not make waves for fear of backlash due to MSM or Hollywood or liberal intimidation. It's not for nothing they are called the SILENT majority. They are finally gonna be able to focus on the majority part and bury the silent part.

Rick Ballard

OL,

The bonus question should be governed by the fit of the prosthesis fashioned for him by his hand picked advisory team. If it's comfortable and he's able to manage it without too obvious a limp, then I believe a bonus might be warranted.

A good prosthesis will make the Black Knight sketch much more enjoyable, IMO. It's going to become somewhat more problematic if he gets walloped in Florida.

Gmax

Methinks the featherman detects a great disturbance in the force? Will it affect the building of the deathstar( and his own featherbed? ).

The rest of you should imagine the liberal talking heads exploding all over the place. What price would you put on getting to see Cueball Carville with the trash can on his head, AGAIN!

Cecil Turner

Next up build up santorum to knock down newt. Too bad they forgot to check the odometer.

Yeah, that bit was persuasive, wasn't it? Look, Santorum's got substance . . . not that I'd ever want him as president . . . which means . . . vote Mitt!

Or the linked essay by Murray bemoaning the excessive influence by a few zip codes on candidate selection . . . which means we should all listen to those folks and choose Mitt!

It'd be very convincing, in a circular sort of way, if it were just a little more coherent.

Benjamin Franklin

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/newt-gingrich-a-hater-not-a-quitter/250879/


"And back in the nineties, when Gingrich used to warn of "socialist bureaucrats," I doubt he actually envisioned many civil servants spending their evenings with a copy of Das Kapital. But bureaucrats and socialists are sufficiently disliked groups that when you put the two labels together you can harvest a great synergy of malice. (Gingrich did, as I recall, tone it down a bit after Timothy McVeigh did exactly what you would expect some nut to do if you talk about socialist bureaucrats for long enough.)

More than once I've thought Gingrich's political career was finally over, and I've always been wrong. So I'm a little superstitious about assigning him an epitaph now. Still, I do think he deserves to be remembered as one of America's most gifted harnessers of hatred.

I hope I'm not reaching Gingrichian levels of melodrama in noting that the worst atrocities of the past century have tended to involve politicians who manipulated and amplified existing hatreds. Gingrich once said, "People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz." That's not exactly the way I would have put it."

Shaheen Littlefeather

More than once I've thought Gingrich's political career was finally over, and I've always been wrong. The parallels between 1932 and 2008 are not trifling.

Captain Hate

Good question imo: http://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-levin/who-the-hell-is-jennifer-rubin/10150483687080946

Ralph L

That's the second "person" to forget about 1946. Someone needs to send out better talking points.

bio mom

There are not enough of you, no matter how angry and motivated, to win a general election in a country this diverse. You are just as much in your own bubble as Obama is. South Carolina is hardly representative of the United States in its entirety. Newt Gingrich came from the neighboring state, is a Southerner, and South Carolina has an unusually high % of evangelical voters. Please broaden your analysis beyond your own anger.

Captain Hate

You are just as much in your own bubble as Obama is.

Unpossible

A Casual Observation

Santorum figured that since Obama got elected, he could get elected, too, providing that the trend continues, that the bar continues to be lowered, and executive, leadership and mamagerial skills are no longer required.

However, he will need to have a hook, too. For Obama it was that dimwits thought that it would be so cool to have our first black president. Our first white dufus as dufus as our first black dufus won't cut it.


boris

It's not anger. It is approaching desperation.

Danube of Thought

Goodness me:

Chris Christie isn’t shy about playing Romney’s attack dog. This morning on Meet the Press, he said Gingrich has been “an embarrassment to the party”, citing his ethics violation and the fact that he was thrown out as Speaker of the House by his own party. Gingrich, on the other hand, showed this morning that he is his own best attack dog, suggesting that Romney’s arguments on Bain wouldn’t stand up to “a high school debater.”
Stephanie

((There are not enough of you, no matter how angry and motivated, to win a general election in a country this diverse. ))

Yeah we had a helluva time getting 20k :eyeroll: to Washington for that meeting on the mall that was so rudely interrupted by Pelosi. Seems the polling data from that sample wasn't 90% angry southern white conservative evangelical.

Might want to go reevaluate your data set.

Gmax

There are not enough of you,

Suppose I grant your premise. Hell I will even give you some support. As Rasmussen finds regularly, the Strongly Disapprove in the likely voter block is around 40%. You need a few more to make 50%.

But the strongly approve is only approx 20%, AND THUS, Zero needs even more than he has currently got ( I.E. 30% versus the 20% in the bag ) to just barely squeek in.

Now if you want to argue that despite the Indys breaking against the Democrats in every single election since 2009 that they are going to break 3 to 1 for Zero and he squeeks in, then I probably part company with you. Those are not odds you would normally bet on.

Ralph L

is a Southerner
Nominally. He's an Army brat.
Wouldn't the evangelical vote have hurt him, or are they divorcees, too?

Danube of Thought

Remarkable. Prof. Jacobson quotes MoDo as follows:

Reagan didn’t socialize with the press. He spent his evenings with Nancy, watching TV with dinner trays. But he knew that to transcend, you can’t condescend.

The portrait of the first couple in Jodi Kantor’s new book, “The Obamas,” bristles with aggrievement and the rational president’s disdain for the irrational nature of politics, the press and Republicans. Despite what his rivals say, the president and the first lady do believe in American exceptionalism — their own, and they feel overassaulted and underappreciated.

We disappointed them.

Ralph L

I forgot, b mom, that Newt went over to the Scarlet Woman!

Gmax

3% Iowa
4% NH
35% SC

Jack is Back!

Well, its a start.

Lets not forget this special election while figuring out whether its Newt or Mitt.

Also, put me int he divide and conquer camp. Romney's agents have been pounding the phones to get their friends in the MFM to start promoting Santorum.

Ignatz

--and mamagerial skills are no longer required--

Maybe, but it's still an interesting area to practice.

bgates

There are not enough of you

Enough of who?

Ralph L

If Obama has lost MoDo, he's lost the country.

Gmax

Rubio's campaign manager?

Gingrich has landed experienced Florida hands like Jose Mallea, Marco Rubio’s campaign manager, and former Attorney General Bill McCollum to run his campaign in the state.

Frau Nachbarin

Chief Niggardly Nabob of Negative Nihilism needs a new nappy and a nap.

Up twinkles for nap time!
Up twinkles for SOB!

A Casual Observation

And besides not having any mamagerial skills, Santorum doesnt have any managerial skills either.

Stephanie

ISTM that a significant portion of the electorate is angry. A number probably in the 65% range. (I'm excluding the Moochelle Pouters of Perpetual Outrage otherwise it'd be 90+). The problem for Newt or whoever is getting that 65% to correctly diagnose the cause and not fall for the evil Booosh or evil capitalism tropes.

Chubby

((it acceptable and fashionable to poke their heads out of their windows and proclaims "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more".

that is very true, but what I fear about Newt is that he is throwing out red meat just to get elected, and if elected, will tone it down several notches because the beltway club is basically his first love. Can we expect more gaffes like the Nancy Pelosi photo op?

pagar

Mucho Guacamole,

Can you imagine:

http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2012/01/22/sunday-morning-crib-sheet-washington-post-ombudsman-admits-bias/

"WaPo ombudsman: Yes we’re biased and we need to start scrutinizing Obama’s record:"

Can anyone imagine a Washington Post writer scrutinizing Obama's record?

Ignatz

--And besides not having any mamagerial skills--

What do you expect? Poor guy had to compete with seven kids to get any hands on experience.

henry

JiB, that rally was 3 hours with temps in the low teens. The Union main focus right now is an increasing number of suits vs Voter ID-- desperately searching for a judge stop it before the recall and November.

boris

From my perspective Newt is more gun for hire than soulmate. Seems to me conservatives trust him and while some could argue that they shouldn't, fact is they do.

A gun for hire need to hit the target, if he can do that shooting from the hip, that's even better.

Chubby

((mamagerial skills))

that would be a great word for a woman to use who is returning to the work force after raising a family, and is listing her domestic management skills as a qualification.

Stephanie

Has anyone pondered what influence Granma Callista and the daughters are exerting on Granpa Newt? He's big friends with Zell and ISTM he may have had a cluebat applied to his not so thin skull.

He may surprise in the governing department. And those ladies might well hold his feet to the fire. Plus Zell will give him hell if he screws the pooch on this one.

Appalled

Man Appalled I can almost always count on you to spout the latest liberal talking point. Do a bing search on "angry candidate" and see (for yourself ) you are a Milly Vanilly knockoff.

If the conventional wisdom has no defenders, then it would not be the conventional wisdom, now, would it?

In seriousness, though, my problem about Newt is, in this environment, he just might get himself elected. I trust Newt to come up with a smashing response in a debate, but I do not trust him to be organized and disciplined enough to serve as President. Sorry.

Bio Mom:

Newt is not a Southerner -- just listen to him. (No accent). He's also not especially popular in Georgia, and came close to losing his seat in the election before he resigned as speaker. Give Newt his due -- he won the primary fair and square.

Cecil Turner

In seriousness, though, my problem about Newt is, in this environment, he just might get himself elected. I trust Newt to come up with a smashing response in a debate, but I do not trust him to be organized and disciplined enough to serve as President. Sorry.

I would've preferred Perry. But the guy who rammed through a surprising amount of the Contract With America is hardly disorgranized or incapable of governing. And at least he has a plan for entitlement reform (though I seriously doubt he can get it all passed). Still, four years on, the country is likely to be in better shape than when he got it. Which is something one can definitely not say about the guy you voted for last time.

Captain Hate

Apology if this has been posted before but I just saw it for the first time: Just when I thought I couldn't think anything less of Soledad O'brien http://www.breitbart.tv/msm-gatekeepers-hammer-ny-times-reporter-over-obama-book/

Porchlight

"Your 2012 candidate is your 2008 candidate, Barack Hussein Obama. I would like to take a moment to revel: I cannot personally tell you how pleased I am to see Obama at the top of the ticket once again after listening to all of your nauseating, sickening lectures on the evils of Guantanamo and the importance of transparency."

Cecil Turner

Just when I thought I couldn't think anything less of Soledad O'brien . . .

I saw Kantor making the rounds and getting roundly lambasted for not being enough of a suck-up. You'd think these "journalists" would start to rediscover a little integrity or self-respect after the tingles wore off, but apparently not.

Stephanie

If the conventional wisdom has no defenders, then it would not be the conventional wisdom, now, would it?


Or it could be a narrative being pushed by folks with an agenda or just simply wrong.

Conventional wisdom used to be that the earth was flat.

Conventional wisdom used to be that conservatives don't do protest rallies.

How's that conventional wisdom working out for ya? Conventional wisdom does not equal the truth.

Porchlight

I trust Newt to come up with a smashing response in a debate, but I do not trust him to be organized and disciplined enough to serve as President.

I think almost all of us share that skepticism, Appalled, even those who support Newt, and have voiced it many times.

The thing is, we have to pick one of two guys, and if the other guy's chances of beating the incumbent are quickly fading, what are we supposed to do? We left the "daydream about your ideal Republican nominee" stage of the election over a year ago.

A Casual Observation

Why do I suspect that Sara's surgical procedure scheduled for 6:00 a.m. this morning has been delayed, and the anesthesiologist, surgeon and nurses are still waiting impatiently and with exasperation for Sara to stop talking?

bio mom

Today from ras. Obama and Mitt tied. Obama beating Gingrich by 7.

Jack is Back!

Just read on Twitter that Gabby Giffords is stepping down.

Stephanie

Governor Milquetoast, a week late and a dollar short:

“I think we made a mistake holding off as long as we did,” Romney said in an interview on Fox News Sunday. “It was a distraction. We want to get back to the real issues of the campaign.”

Welcome to the party pal, can we have the cluebat back? Just in case.

Btw. When Romney touts his private sector experience as being a point of commonality in being able to relate to the average voter, how many average voters' experience in the private sector took place almost exclusively on the executive level floor accessible only by special elevator keys? This guy has never been in the trenches in accounting or purchasing living paycheck to paycheck and dealing with bosses and coworkers who might be a pancake short of a stack but whose performance review can capriciously subject you and your family to hardship?

Gingrich was at least a lowly professor at a minor college dealing with those very issues. Like family budgeting and how to pay for a broken furnace with $200 in the bank and payday a week away.


Exactly what are we imputing to the phrase "private sector experience" and are the candidates imputing it similarly?

clarice

Frau--what cuties..I take it they belong to you--even better if so.

rse

Has anyone posted the LUN BO 2012 print ad "I am the American Dream"?

I agree this is a potentially very effective ad. If the Reps do not confront what socialism and radicalism are and quit letting BO skate because they sound like insults we are in deep trouble.

All Rep candidates and their advisors need to have read Kurtz's Radical in Chief and have it memorized. Even then it is not enough. But it is the minimum. And it is the necessity.

Then let people like me take care of the rest with detail that will take your breath away at the audacity.

clarice

Let's say Romney was a great businessman. He's proven to be a crappy politician. Perhaps he ought to return to boardrooms just as Obama ought to return to being a teaching assistant somewhere..

Porchlight

Today from ras. Obama and Mitt tied. Obama beating Gingrich by 7.

Do you have a link, bio mom? I can't find it on the Ras site.

Granny

I have a question: Has there been any indication of how many Democratic voters are voting in these "Open" Republican primaries such as SC? CA also has an "Open" primary this time, and with no Presidential Primary of their own, seems to me Democrats have a free hand in messing with ours.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for the upcoming primary and caucus schedule. If Mittster can expunge his inner Tom Dewey, it looks pretty good for him going into Super Tuesday. I'd say Romney is still the strong favorite, but the fat lady is not only not singing, she's been booted (at least temporarily) out of the performance center by Newt.

Captain Hate

Has anyone posted the LUN BO 2012 print ad "I am the American Dream"?

He's acting like the last 3 years didn't happen and he's still a blank slate; it may as well be titled "I am Caligula, the American Nightmare".

Gmax

Give me the poll from last week in SC for the primary and then the results please. The poll that will matter will be in November, and I am quite confident all three candidates still in the running that are Republicans will win. They are running against a miserable failure incompetent.

clarice

Gerard Van der Leun
‎"It's just so sad that the people who should be running the country are all college professors already."

Smoking..Gerard..

henry

Althouse found this voice of moderation in Madison. ABO - OMG

sbw

I figure most of the press and most of the politicians have compressed time, making the mistake that the Newt of 1999 is not the Newt of 2012 -- and neither is the electorate.

Newt has probably learned a thing or two, and so has the electorate -- even if the press and the pols have not.

Stephanie

Herman Cain out-polled Huntsman, Perry, and Bachmann combined, by 2,175 votes.

Those wacky SC voters.

Jack is Back!

Florida is a closed primary and we have early voting which starts tomorrow. Lot of people use early voting which makes it real difficult to exit poll. In addition, any gaffes made a few days before the actual election day gets softened somewhat.

In my county there are 54 more democrats registerd than republicans. But it went for McCain in 08 and Bush both times.

Jane

Who has surgery on Sunday? DO they do that in CA?

Does anyone think that Newt is conservative? I think of him as more whimsical than anything else.

Thomas Collins

CH, aren't the Ravens the same franchise as the Belichick coached Cleveland Browns, with the current Browns actually having a new franchise? I ask because it occurs to me that Belichick will in effect be coaching against his old team in a few minutes.

Gmax

Jack which county, if you are willing to say.

Rick Ballard

All South Carolina Polling

I'd pick "volatile" as the adjective of the moment.

Captain Hate

Well yes, TC; and this isn't the first time he's faced his old team in the playoffs even though he was fired by carpetbagger Modell before the team was moved to Charm City. Art had quite a track record, having fired 2 HOF head coaches in Belichick and Paul Brown.

A Casual Observation

But, but, but Newt beat Mitt by more than 70,000 votes in SC, and Newt already has more delegates, too.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that in view of Newt's very vocal opposition to GHWB when it looked like he was going to raise taxes after promising that he would not raise taxes, it is pretty much a certainty that Jeb Bush will endorse Mitt, which could cost Newt. It could hinge on who Marco Rubio endorses, too. If Rubio endorses Newt, Mitt is toast in Florida ..., and, by extension, elsewhere, too. Florida will be the key state in this primary.

Thomas Collins

CH, I remember that the last playoff faceoff with his old team didn't go well for His Hoodiness. But I predict the Pats will prevail today.

I hadn't thought about the fact that Modell fired both Brown and Belichick.

Rest in peace, Papa Joe.

clarice

Jeb just refused to endorse Newt, Casual O

Jack is Back!

Ooops.

I was wrong about the results in my county - was looking at the wrong column. Bush lost to Gore in '00 but won in '04. And Obama won in '08. Funny, MIca always gets a big % as do the State Senator and Rep who are both Republicans. Even Mel Martinez took a majority last time he ran.

Gmax, its Flagler County - stuck between Volusia (Daytona) and St. John's (St. Augustine).

Thomas Collins

Well, I wouldn't have picked Steve Tyler to sing our anthem, but I've heard worse.

Whoops! Steve had trouble with the red glare of the rockets.

Cecil Turner

Today from ras. Obama and Mitt tied. Obama beating Gingrich by 7.

Couple of days ago from ras: "South Carolina: Gingrich 33%, Romney 31%, Paul 15%." Actual results: Gingrich 40%, Romney 28%, Santorum 17%, Paul 13%.

clarice

Right, Cecil..I was just about to post this compendium from RCP on the polls before the election..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html#polls

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