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February 03, 2012



Who knew the Dems were anxious to take us back to the stilted world of the 50's and all those one earner families with stay at home mom's like June Cleaver?


WE need an island.


Now that we know what Obama does all day, as the hardest working President in history, it's easier to understand the great recovery.

Captain Hate

That zero hedge link is incredible.


Imagine the poor schlubs that take Chris Hayes seriously;


Danube of Thought

Why do I find this confusing?

"No, that's not a typo: 1.2 million people dropped out of the labor force in one month! So as the labor force increased from 153.9 million to 154.4 million, the non institutional population increased by [I assume this should be "to"] 242.3 million meaning, those not in the labor force surged from 86.7 million to 87.9 million."

Captain Hate

Geez narc; I don't think Jim Ryan can adequately parody that dialogue between Chris "don't call me Gabby" Hayes and Matt Yglesias. In fairness to Chris, can you imagine the sheer hell of having to report to Katrina van der Trustfund?

Thomas Collins

Does "non institutional populations" refer to those not incarcerated? Were a lot of folks released from prison in January?


TomM-- take it easy with that ZeroHedge stuff. Tyler Durden is a sharp glib guy, and I think he generally gets stuff right. But he is an advocate for a certain point of view, and not a 'reporter' (although who is these days?)


We have the next Governor of NY in the queue;



the discussion about inflation, is funny as hell, well as long as it has no relation to reality.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps Bill Clinton convinced the Komen trustees that it depends on the meaning of "investigation" and that an investigation of the Foundation for the Advancement of Margaret Sanger's Racial Views, a/k/a Planned Parenthood, by a GOP controlled House was not an "investigation".

Obama said he had a message for Congress–pass the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance extension without “drama” or delay. “Do not slow down the recovery we’re on now. Don’t muck it up,” he said.
Captain Hate

the discussion about inflation, is funny as hell, well as long as it has no relation to reality.

It's like a word processing software infected with a virus so it just throws out nonsense text with no underlying thought.


bumper sticker of the day at conservative treehouse -

Captain Hate

We have met the enemy and his name is Kevin Dewine: http://pjmedia.com/blog/state-gop-establishments-attack-their-base/


Just passing on that if you have a chance to watch FOX Business News, IMHO it is generally better than watching FOX regular news. With Meghan Kelly's show you keep getting Alan Colmes opposite Mike Reagan, or some other idiot spouting Lefty opposite whoever else she brings on---very tiresome.

Over on the FOX Business Channel you usually get 1 guest answering financial questions without all the Alan Colmes type political vitriol. For me its a lot easier to put up with than the daily appearance of the usual suspects. Plus the hostesses are still pretty cute!


--Why do I find this confusing?--

Because the BLS makes numbers up as they go along?

Rick Ballard

ZeroHedge missed the Asian Granny Invasion that is quite evident (as evident as the Mythical Mexican onslaught after the last Census) in the Census decennial adjustments. Asian Grannies do not go into the labor force count but they certainly do become part of the non-institutional civilian population.

The importation of Asian Grannies is just fulfillment of the filial duty owed by Asian immigrants. It's an interesting phenomenon but it will take a bit of thought to completely sort out the economic impact (aside from the artifact of the decline in the participation rate).


Daddy is a Lookist. So am I.


David Asmund is one of the best anchors out there, Daddy. Too bad they let the Ronulan Judge Napolitano have a show, otherwise I might not switch the channel off Fox Business.


Asman. Gmax, one of the former Green Roomers,
who was absorbed by the SorosBorg, forward
this, as rebuttal;



What Narc said, I did not check the spelling of his name.

I got a kick that Steve Liesmann was on Squawk this morning blaming the drop in participation rates on Baby Boomers not really wanting to work. This guy will break his nose if Obama so much as slows down his gait.


Got home yesterday afternoon.

We are currently under a Blizzard Warning. No big deal, ops normal.

But this new story struck me as odd: Obama declares Kenai winter storm as federal disaster:

"Obama on Thursday declared the winter storm that socked the Kenai Peninsula in November a federal disaster."

In November? What the hell am I missing? The Kenai isn't where the town was buried in 26 feet of snow; that's Cordova and Valdez. Nor Juneau (5th snowiest winter on record, so far, in Juneau), nor Nome (Russian Icebreaker) nor Fairbanks (coldest winter ever.)

This is for some snow back in November on the Kenai?

I don't get it.


Kenai is where Lisa is from, so hence that's
where the attention goes, I did note the inconsistency to them.


Well figure out who from Kenai is bundling for Obama.

Jack is Back!


Probably to fill in the blanks in the Governor's FEMA request. Most likely the State went over budget for 2011 in terms of snow removal, highway salts, etc. This is just another Federal foolishness on parade - a game every State plays with the Feds to balance budgets by using Mother Nature's unpredictable self as the reason.


I'm posting this in both active threads -

While I was out drinking with my JOM buddies and not paying attention to You Too, Rick began a new series that is quite brilliant. It's called Sixteen to Support. Check it out.


Does "non institutional populations" refer to those not incarcerated?

My understanding it that, and people on active duty in the military. Those that are "institutionally prevented from seeking civilian employment."


Narciso, a major court filing in NYC and noone in the MSM seems to know about it,

The only thing being discussed seems to be the GOOD????? job report.

"NASDAQ in Times Square, New York
Stocks Jump, Nasdaq Hits 11-Year High on Strong Jobs Report

A better than expected jobs report propelled the Dow Jones industrial average to its highest mark since 2008 and the Nasdaq to its highest level since December 2000"



I can never understand anything zero hedge writes.

Captain Hate

blaming the drop in participation rates on Baby Boomers not really wanting to work.

What an imbecile. Sad to say I know a few people that fit that but they're more than offset by people like me.


Sorry, that was unclear. Non-institutional means those not in prison and not in the military (at least that is how it was explained to me).


A different source:



Thomas Collins

OK, thanks, Ranger.


I did hear that at one time people wanted to start including the military in the employed numbers, with the logic that since the services are all volunteer now, it is more like civilian employment, but I don't think that change ever happened.


that's okay, because they will be reducing the size of the Army by @ 100,000 - 150,000 starting next year. Not sure about the other branches.

Air Farce is trying to get rid of all of the A-10's which have proven to do yeoman's work time and again in Iraq I, Iraq II, and Afghanistan. Heck, they'll just use F-35's as attack aircraft.

The Pentagon Polka is really something to watch.



They've been trying to get rid of the A-10 since before it was fielded. Congress keeps making them keep it. The AF hates the concept of a single role aircraft.


Althouse has an interesting post up:

Scott Walker supporters advocate writing in Scott Walker's name in the primary that will determine who will be his recall opponent.

The GAB is apparently not sure what would happen if Scott Walker won the primary to run against himself in the recall.

He doesn't have to get 50% + 1, he just needs to get the most votes out of the entire field, and its an open primarry.

Rick Ballard


There is actually an interesting phenomena occurring with Boomers. The SS recipient numbers do not reflect a higher than anticipated retirement rate while draw downs in IRA accounts do reflect the fact that many people are drawing on savings, either to support themselves or to support others.

The BLS estimates used to forecast participation rates withing age sectors are wrong because they are predicated on the behavior of particular age groups in the '90s. The predicate for behavior of the 16-24 yo cohort is also wrong because it does not account for the willingness of that cohort to accept a serf's collar in exchange for enriching professors and administrators.

IOW - Boomers are slackers 'cause our model, developed by the greatest team of credentialed morons ever assembled, sez so.


You know, you can make this stuff up:

South Sudan shoot-out at Unity state peace talks

At least 37 people have been killed in South Sudan during a shoot-out at a peace meeting aimed at ending recent violence, officials said.

Wasn't independence for South Sudan supposed to solve all this?


The GAB is apparently not sure what would happen if Scott Walker won the primary to run against himself in the recall.

Gee, perhaps they should get a paid committee of 15 to figure it out.



Meanwhile, things in Egypt are progressing as well as can be exspected:

More Cairo clashes after Port Said football deaths

A demonstrator and a soldier died on Friday in Cairo in clashes outside the interior ministry as police fired tear gas at stone-throwing crowds. Two people were also killed in Suez.

A building opposite the ministry was set on fire, state TV reported.

The report gave no details of the cause of the blaze in the headquarters of the property tax authority.

It is so good that Egypt is no longer tainted by the tyrant Mubarak. So much more peaceful and democratic.



Hi, I'm Doctor Marsha Fieldstone and we've got a young caller from Anchorage Alaska. Good ahead caller...

Hi. I'm daddy's young daughter.

Hi daddy's young daughter. What's your problem today?

It's my dad. He's gonna' be in downtown Seattle on the 8th of February, and he's bummed because he's JOMless in Seattle.

JOMless in Seattle? Daddy's young daughter, what do you mean he's JOMless in Seattle?

Well all his JOM friends in Massachusetts get together and eat olives and drink vodka and get lost driving to LaGuardia, so he gets all bummed when he hears about it because he's gonna' be drinking beer JOMless in Seattle.

What about your mother...can't she help?

No, she has to stay home and walk the dogs, plus she drinks wine.

Oh I see. Well, do you think that maybe some of your dad's JOM friends could join him to drink beer in Seattle?

Gosh, that's a great idea...but how would we arrange that?

Well daddy's daughter, maybe they could meet at the top of the Empire State Building at 8 PM on Valentine Days?

Well, no Doctor Marsha, I think in New York he drinks with JimmyK at Keeley's on the upper West Side. We're talking Seattle.

It rains 9 months a year in Seattle! But daddy's young daughter, I suppose if he does have to go to Seattle, how about they meet at a Pub near Pike Place Market about noon and they can have Tiramisu?

Tira...Tira what? Is that a beer?

It's a dessert you're supposed to eat in Seattle when you meet new folks for lunch and talk like Cary Grant to Dianne Cannon. "Here Diane, look at these swatches and try some Tiramisu..."

Doctor Marsha, my daddy's a rice man, not gay. I don't think he wants any Tirawazoo or whatever...He wants to pound beers with JOMer's that don't like chick-flix.

Don't like Chick-flix! Daddy's young daughter are you sure you're daddy is OK? For instance, does he sleep well at night?

No. He never sleeps. He's up all night.

And you think that might because he's not a sensitive 80's man into chick-flix?

No, it's because his body clock is all hosed up and he's always living on Asia time, and the only way he can ever get to sleep is by pounding brewskys.

Oh...So daddy's young daughter, you think that if drank beers with JOM buddies in Seattle on February 8th he'll be able to get some sleep and maybe then he'll be able to watch chick-flix?

Maybe the beer and sleeping part.

Well daddy's daughter, how will his JOM friends recognize him at Pike Place Market?

Well daddy looks like Telly Savalis in that great flick The Dirty Dozen where they're throwing hand grenades at the Nazi's and Jim Brown gets killed and Lee Marvin and Richard Jaeckel...(starts sobbing)...and Trini Lopez...(sob, sob, sob)...breaks his neck...

Daddy's young daughter...are you all right?

I'm Okay Doctor Marsha. Daddy says that it's nothing that a couple good beers won't cure when I'm old enough to drink 'em.

Well there you have it audience. I want to thank all my callers tonight---"Olive'd out in Boston", ---"Lost in LaGuardia"--- and especially "JOMless in Seattle." This is Doctor Marsha Fieldstone saying goodnight America.


I totally support what you are saying. Liesman and Zandi drive me nuts every first Friday of the month. I agree with Kernan. They have to mix up the numbers so the unemployment rate goes down every month.My prediction: Feb unemployment and the rate goes up.


"Scott Walker supporters advocate writing in Scott Walker's name in the primary that will determine who will be his recall opponent."

I love that idea. Makes you wonder if folks signed their names as Mickey Mouse or Hitler when they wrote in Scott Walker's name, that the Election Board would finally get off their butts and toss those names out?

Seems like turnabouts fair play to me.


I. Am. Amazed.

Thomas Collins

Just make it to the Providence or Boston area, daddy. We'll show you a time good enough to put Seattle and China and Japan and the rest of the world to shame!


Heh, the Walker write in may not work ... A commenter at Althouse pointed to a rule that a candidate can only run in one party or something. It could be good for laughs if it works.

Otherwise a Dane County Appeals court threw a wrench in the recall verification at GAB. Not a big surprise as Kloppenberg got elected to that appeals court (she ran unopposed). At least I have a full fridge, Hit style.

Danube of Thought

The Walker write-in campaign is the funniest thing I have heard of in a long, long time. Correct me if I'm wrong, henry, but it seems to me that it's almost certain to succeed, given the number of Dems that will be on the ballot. I loved the reaction of that Democrat ("Republicans are afraid of democracy"). Was he one of the ones who fled to the Tilted Kilt?

The whole thing can then be resolved by the Solomonic WI Supreme Court.

Melinda Romanoff

Just an FYi regarding the MERS lawsuit.

While iBama's appointed investigator of foreclosure fraud, NY AG Schneiderman, is busy filing suit against the TBTF banks for malfeasance.

A small deadline was moved to Monday, from today.

The 50 State AG agreement covering all foreclosure and mortgage issues, as negotiated by Iowa AG Tom Miller (Guess That Party), has been moved as further consultations have been deemed necessary.

I, of course, see no coincidence in either news story.



Get Jim Miller to meet up with you at the Metropolitan Grill in downtown Seattle.


Danube, Graime Zelinski is a Dem Party hack, not an elected office holder. That said he probably thought up the fleebag Tilted Kilt thing. as far as the Walker write-in, it worked for Murkowski but I don't know how many Walker supporters would bother to vote in a Dem primary. It is especially tempting (and easier) to vote for the challenger with the biggest drool bucket, right now a toss- up between the union pick Falk and the Green Acres PhD Vinehut who's dairy cows told her to run.

Captain Hate

draw downs in IRA accounts do reflect the fact that many people are drawing on savings, either to support themselves or to support others.

When I was unemployed I hit up my IRA a few times because of Mrs H's salary not being adequate for a few bumps in the road. Obviously I wasn't happy about doing that but was glad I was over 59 and a half to eliminate the penalty.


Fun facts to know and share at cocktail parties: the hospital chain Catholic Healthcare West has rebranded itself as Dignity Health.


From Henry's second link:

"The Government Accountability Board has stated that it is committed to removing fraudulent and duplicate signatures during its verification of Recall Petitions," Thompson said. "Today's appeals court ruling does not invalidate the need for heightened transparency and integrity in this process, and we encourage the GAB to continue its effort to ensure that Wisconsin electors are not treated unfairly in this process."

Suddenly they are concerned about fraudulent signatures.


Daddy, Thompson is the GOP-WI Exec Director. The GAB's interest in fraud is court ordered until they meet Tuesday and decide they are off the hook.

Heh, the Walker write in may not work ... A commenter at Althouse pointed to a rule that a candidate can only run in one party or something.
Um, that just means that the state can't hold the election if Walker is the only candidate. Which, after all, seems to be an eminently sensible outcome.

From that Fox piece, on Iran 'unexpectedly'
cooperating with AQ, based supposedly on the
Clapper report, didn't bother to name the
officials involved, Seif al Adel, and co,
or didn't mention, Hilary Mann's obsequious
attitude toward said party.



You have been invaluable for educating us. Thank's so much.

I don't trust the GAB as far as I can throw them. It strikes me as funny how for the initial recall it was no problem at all how anybody signed their name, but now in this instance it's suddenly become a "need for heightened transparency and integrity in this process."

Danube of Thought

Untangling Obama's syntax ("for unto whom much is given, much shall be required"):

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required..."

--Luke 12:48 (King James)

Hint: you can't require things unto a person. Do we suppose he has ever diagrammed a sentence?


I want Federal Disaster Funds!

Anchorage drivers advised to stay home as snow piles up:

"Careful, drivers. The Alaska Department of Transportation is warning people in Anchorage this afternoon to stay off the roads if they can to help road crews keep up with heavy snowfall."

Too much has been given to us, so according to Obama's Scripture reading I think he's supposed to give me free Federal Disaster money---but not until May.


Art is still alive.

(Click to enlarge, then click again to enlarge even more. Although it looks like a different Forgotten Man in the larger pic.)


Well Daddy, aside from Tommy Thompson running for Senate-- the fnork are aren't a factor for WI Republicans. The people running things learned quite a bit from last year's recalls and are willing to fight.


This is depressing. From The Anchoress

As Deacon Greg points out, the latest polls indicated that despite the Obama/HHS assault on religious freedom and conscience, despite the public outcry of 145 US Catholic Bishops and representatives from other religions, President Obama is still enjoying support among Catholics.

Why? Because most Catholics — unless they are online or in the pews — have heard little-to-nothing about the story, and if they have it’s been framed by the press as a “contraception” issue, not an Obama vs Religious Liberty issue; not a “freedom of religion and conscience” issue.


RE: Vote Fraud.

Partial repost from yesterday with a new question:

Nice Vote fraud scheme just uncovered in Florida:

an NBC2 investigation uncovers flawed record keeping and human error allowing people who are not citizens of the United States to vote.

"...county election supervisors have no way to track non-citizens who live here. So NBC2 did something election officials never thought to do, and found them on our own."

"The Cape Coral resident is not a US citizen, yet she's registered to vote. NBC2 found Dennett after reviewing her jury excusal form. She told the Clerk of Court she couldn't serve as a juror because she wasn't a U.S. citizen."

"We found her name, and nearly a hundred others like her, in the database of Florida registered voters...Naples resident Yvonne Wigglesworth is also a not a citizen, but is registered to vote. She claims she doesn't know how she got registered. Records show Wigglesworth voted six times in elections dating back eleven years."

Question: How would we go about finding this info in our own states and communities?

I recall when being selected for Jury Duty by the Judge that he disallowed my request to stay off it due to pending overseas trips. I had to rearrange my trips. How would I find out lists of folks saying they were non-US citizens and then compare them to lists of registered voters? I suppose it's different from State to State and maybe even county to county. Anyone have any input on that?


It turns out much of the same report, with the same spin, was out before Clapper gave his report;



That's an excellent question, daddy. I have no idea what the answer is, but it sure seems like a great crowd-sourcing opportunity. I'd be happy to help research such a thing if I knew how.


Btw, I like how the artist put Bush right behind Obama in that pic, and the expression he gave him.



Your daughter's call transcript was hysterical, and I so wish I could meet you in Seattle. Can you take a detour to Hartford?

BTW the first time I met Hit a year ago he asked me who at JOM I'd met, and I couldn't remember. SO this year I made a list, and there are 19 people on it. - Make that 20, I just thought of someone I forgot.

Is that a record?



Good luck. The first time I was called for Jury Duty after returning to California, I was sole caretaker for my Mom and I asked to be excused since I would have had to hire someone to take my place for her care to serve. No questions were asked, I was released from service for 5 years on my word alone.

The next time I was called, I was in the stage of the worst of my back pain making standing impossible and sitting for any length of time agony, I was taking a rather potent painkiller which made me very hesitant to drive under their influence nor did I feel competent to render any kind of binding legal verdict, and I was still requiring a great deal of help to get around and even dress myself. I was required to obtain a doctor's excuse and submit proof that this was not a short term event where my service could be postponed for a month or so. It was a huge hassle and even then, I was only postponed for 6 months and had to repeat the whole process again at that time.

I've decided these decisions are made at the whim of the person receiving the request first.


Jane: You, Hit and Clarice have probably met the most JOMers, I would think. You should compare numbers with them :)


Yeah, I'm only up to nine JOMers. The irony is that Iggie and I live closer than any of those I have met, but we've not had the pleasure yet. Soon!


Iran warns world of coming great event

“In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

Imagine if someday we have to explain that we thought they were just a bunch of dreaming fools puffing their chests out?


Watch that video in the article if you have any doubts of their sincerity. Scary, scary stuff!


Extraneus, I can't remember that artist's name, but he has a whole website. Great stuff.


--Yeah, I'm only up to nine JOMers. The irony is that Iggie and I live closer than any of those I have met, but we've not had the pleasure yet. Soon!--

Sad isn't it?
But different priorities at the moment, as you know doc.


Some Dem pushback against the ZeroHedge story is the first comment in the LUN (too long to print).
I won't pretend to know who is correct.


I sure do understand, Iggie. One day we'll make it work.


Jim, Rick Ballard pointed out a few days ago that the census numbers would be updated for this jobs report. If he has commented on the numbers in the report, I've missed it.

Jack is Back!

Well, Frederick and I have met one JOMer and he is one terrific person. Plus he owns a couple of big, huge printing presses that tell the thruth every day.

Old Lurker

Rick, re IRA draw downs by Boomers. As soon as we became old enough, my wife and I rearranged taxable income so that we could deplete all of our tax deferred savings as rapidly as we could. This makes it taxable at today's rates likely to be lower than rates tomorrow; we were able to divert income we would have been living on into capital gains income later or into stepped up basis future estate taxes; and it diminishes one asset that the IRS knows about before they realize they want to come after the tax deferred assets they don't think we need as 1%ers.

Not that we are parnoid.

Just sayin...

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

The only JOMer I have met is Cpt Hate. He is a delightful fellow, cheerful and has (no surprise here) a great sense of humor.


JiB, sharing travels with your family was time well spent.


Spengler's (David Goldman) book, How Civilizations Die, explains how Iran has nothing to lose--they know the Muslim world is losing population and their civilization is expiring. They're on a suicide mission, so why not take the rest of the infidel world with then when they flame out.


Meanwhile this is they do to those who speak out about the real issues;



And a long overdue response to Juan's fatuousness;



In broad strokes,



Narciso @0812, I saw that link a few days ago.
It is really scary to think that nothing can be done any more in this country with out the approval of CAIR.
"It is his outspoken faith that has made him a target of groups like the Council on American Islamic Relations, who lodged a complaint with West Point, which led to Boykin not speaking at the event."

Old Lurker

Old Timer I think Muslims are the fastest growing world religion. With their birthrate all they have to do is wait and do what they do.

Captain Hate

Thank you Jim Rhoads; I enjoyed our meetup also and look forward to hopefully more in the future. You had some great stories that you told very vividly. Having also met the delightful jimmyk, I think I can say accurately that the three of us would have a great time if it ever happens.

Danube of Thought

Been doing the same thing as OL's 7:59. Will do more of it this year.

The poll numbers I have seen from henry on Walker vs. any of the Dems are really encouraging--as I recall, he leads by 5-6 percent. Doesn't strike me as a contest in which many minds are likely to change. If he wins, couple that with the Indiana right-to-work legislation and we've got the parasites on the run.


"Hint: you can't require things unto a person. Do we suppose he has ever diagrammed a sentence?"

He's the greatest orator and smartest man ever to be President.

Are there code words in that hint? If not, let me say this: he's just not that smart.

And the anwer is, no. Never.

Captain Hate

Do we suppose he has ever diagrammed a sentence?

Oh DoT, you're such a kidder.


I'm the last question to quibble on grammar, but logic and common sense seem lacking;


Rick Ballard


I've been digging up FEC reports and haven't given more than a cursory glance at the Census adjustments. I have to spend a little time with Immigration visa stats to confirm my suspicions but it appears that the unexpected increase of 1.16 million Asians is due in part to importation of Asian Grannies and in part to the grant of study visas to Asians - probably Muhajadin Study/Work grants in chemistry, engineering and demolition.

I'll report back after I look more closely.

The increase of Hispanics by 1.33 million is offset in large part by a decrease of 1.18 million whites. That's a label switch - it doesn't carry much economic weight.


Jane has met about twice as many JOM posters as I have. I think.

As for the Anchoress' gloomy report:The day is young and it will take a bit of time for the word to percolate ..


The day is young and it will take a bit of time for the word to percolate ..

I am inclined to believe that too, Clarice. Not merely because I am Catholic, but because human nature being what it is, there is that "human" factor that so often goes unnoticed (except by advertisers - ha) - "word of mouth."

In all church or religious communities there are gatherings, be they social, family, kid's activities, what have you, where these stories get told and re-told. Now, not always accurately, not always with the best authority, but the word does spread. Not everything is reliant on TV or the internet or the newspaper. Know what I mean?


You betcha I do, cc


Why would that calculation really play into
the statistics,Rick, more likely than not, the newly minted degree recipients would go offshore,

So the Clapper statement, shows how remarkably
shallow the understanding of intelligence community, such as it is, of course there are no cross tabs to prove any of their assertions,

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