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March 25, 2012

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Threadkiller

Now here is a conspiracy to wonder about. This 2004 article refers to Obama as Kenyan Born.


" Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations."


Here it is on the wayback machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

In 2009 snopes took this head on and declared the article to have been tampered with.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ap.asp

I guess going back 5 years to repair damage isn't the same as going back 50 to find evidence.

Why oh why didn't they scrub it all!!

Jim Ryan

Pardon me, MarkO, I was just poking fun.

I wish I knew whether the case for UFOs was robust. I don't have the time to find out. Same for the birther issue. Shrug. No clue.

daddy

I am listening to the President's speech on Nuclear disarmament.

I cannot think of a single speech out of this President's mouth that I have agreed with, or that I consider positive for our country. Today's speech is no exception to that rule. The only thing I can trust him on is to know that he will try do damage to the country as we have known it.

Mad Jack

TC: I don't understand why all the lefty lawyers, Katyal, Greenhouse, et al, are making all these over-the-top pronouncements as it was my understanding that this case is a slam dunk? At least that is what these same legal geniuses were writing a few weeks ago. What has caused them to start to worry? Are they actually reading the briefs of the opposition and starting to panic?

Melinda Romanoff

Clarice-

That "dim bulb" you mention has let slip an old Chicago tradition. "Sure the courts have ruled against us, that doesn't mean they've got any way to stop us from going ahead with it anyway." They've pushed their big snowball and a mere Supreme Court ruling has no physical power to stop it, in their eyes. They re-name things, shuffle some press and move onwards, in the name of "Progress", just re-directing the now "idled" cash. I've seen this carp too many times..

It must be defunded fast, if ruled against, and funds withdrawn, if issued. No money means no inertia.

Thomas Collins

Clarice, I agree it won't influence anyone. But Katyal knows better. I agree it is a stupid thing to say, but I think it's stupid because it is a blatant attempt to influence SCOTUS, and the statement is blatantly ridiculous. What makes it more amazing in my mind is that Hogan Lovells, the firm he joined after he left DOJ, has significant GOP ties as well as Dem ties (unless it has changed since I last checked).

Threadkiller

DoT, you really do not know that Justia scrubbed portions of Minor as well as many opinions that referred to Minor? I guess I am to believe it did not happen due to your complete lack of evidence to the contrary?

One way street.

Janet

Here is an older Freeper link -

In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates

I've always thought Obama's birth fell in the b) section. The newspaper birth announcements were automatically put out when a delayed certificate was filed.

Clarice

I think as does Mad Jack and others tat this and the Greenhouse and Lithwick shtick are a recognition the case may well be lost and they are trying to discredit the decision if their fears come true. It is after all the President's "signature" achievement.

Melinda Romanoff

TC-

It's not to influence the court, it's to pre-seed the argument for going forward despite an adverse ruling.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps we should be heartened. If Dems resort to the kind of nonsense Katyal has put forth, they must really think there is a solid chance OCare is going down.

MarkO

My fault Jim, I sometimes don't get the entire sense of the thread and, it did seem odd from you.

As to UFO's I'm both proud and ashamed to admit that I saw one, in the presence of my father and two dear friends. My dad is gone now, but my friend and I talked about it yesterday.

My question is not are there spacecraft, but why do they have nearly as many models as cars did in 1958. Hell, can't these folks settle on something that works? I did like the look of the 1958 Chevy Impala. No fins.

I think that the McAdoo is a second cousin once removed or like that.

Thomas Collins

I concede that's a possibility, Mel. But then the statement is contemptible as well as stupid.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps panic is the word, Mad Jack. If so, it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of sycophants.

MarkO

daddy, sorry about your Heels. They seemed to have tightened up in the last three minutes. In fairness, the loss of a point guard can't really be remedied, even though the appropriately named Mr. White, played well. At the end, Kansas simply made him shoot.

Next year. But, if McAdoo is the best player on the team, will he even stay. Rivers will be gone from Duke. Hard to keep fan loyalty. Even Cameron was not sold out.

Sue of the Wisdom

Obama first brought his birth certificate to our attention. He wrote about it in his Dreams book. Or rather, Ayers wrote about it. Something in his birth certificate bothered him. I don't think it was where he was born. I think he was born in Hawaii.

Clarice

Think about it MarkO. If you were an intelligent being why would you want to hand around earth?

Mad Jack

It is hard to believe that a former Acting SG could say something so stupid. I'd like to think he was misquoted.

Thomas Collins

I wonder whether Austin Rivers wants to be drafted by the Celts, whether he wants nothing to do with playing for his father, or whether he doesn't care.

Melinda Romanoff

TC-

It's just like everything else they want to do. Right hand versus the left hand sort of chicanery.

You have no idea how much of this stuff I see here.

Jim Ryan

MarkO, a friend of mine saw one, plain as the nose on your face. What the heck do I know? I would have thought there would be hard evidence of them by now if they were real. Shrug.

Rick Ballard

TC,

I lean towards whispers among clerks who have been tasked to research major reversals in stare decis as being the cause of the preemptive trashing of the court. It would be a kick to find out that Kennedy had assigned clerks to preparing argument that Filburn was incorrectly decided.

Danube of Thought

Sorry, JimR--I didn't realize you were kidding, but I should have.

As for Justia, I have no idea what they did or did not do, and I do not care. I do know that nothing hey have done or can do can alter by one scintilla the law as it is recorded and reported in the law libraries of every courtroom and courthouse in America. And I know that the passage they are alleged to have scrubbed has no effect whatsoever on Barack Obama's eligibility for office.

Jane (Bad says Obama sucks)

Clarice,

That pix made my day!

Mad Jack

Can he shoot, TC? I did not watch much college hoop this year but the C's will need a two guard who can really shoot to make up for Rondo's inability to make anything but a layup

Jim Ryan

Something in his birth certificate bothered him.

MOTHER: Ann Dunham
FATHER: ___________

That would hurt. Mom didn't put down who the father was.

Clarice

Isn't it the most adorable thing,Jane?

Jim Ryan

"Drive-by media" is quite on the mark. Is it original with Rush Limbaugh? Kudos to whoever coined it.

A flurry of hit job articles and then, when the real facts come out, silence.

Sue of the Wisdom

Jim,

Possible. The story that his father left them when he was 2 is bogus. And for some reason, his grandparents and mother were upset when he came home from Occidental wanting to be Barack Hussein Obama, instead of Barry.

Melinda Romanoff

Rick-

Really good HFT piece at ZH, with some interesting links, if you're interested.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for the Yahoo version of Katyal's interview. I guess he is a true believer in ObamaCare, I'll grant him that. The Yahoo version looks as bad for Katyal as the one PaulL quoted from above.

I was hoping Katyal was misquoted, but it doesn't appear so.

Thomas Collins

He looks like a better shooter than his father, Mad Jack (at least better than my memory of Doc as a shooter).

Sue

I just realized my name was still from my joke yesterday. Fixing it.

daddy

Thanks for the sympathy MarkO.

It wasn't on tube over here so thankfully I slept through it. Not a surprising outcome what with Marshall siting.

So of the 4 remaining, who do we dislike the least? I'm married to a Buckeye so I may have to root for those guys to keep peace in the family.

Thomas Collins

I think Sue of the Wisdom is fine. But now you have to prove it, Sue. What's you're over/under on Rangers' wins this year? :-))

Melinda Romanoff

Sue-

I saw absolutely no problems with your tag.

Danube of Thought

"I guess going back 5 years to repair damage isn't the same as going back 50 to find evidence."

So--Snopes undertook to "repair damage?" (Is that because they're in on the conspiracy?)

Please set us straight: what 50-year-old evidence needs to be found? Whether the two newspaer articles have been tampered with? Whether they were falsely planted?

I'd love to hear a flat statement from any person on this site: "I have some doubt about whether Barack Obama was born in Hawaii."

MarkO

Kansas? I think, based on the eye test, KY is unstoppable.

Clarice, I consider Earth to be the zoo of the universe. I can't explain why they just don't land and say those famous words, "Take me to your leader." Of course, Obama is no leader so they may have to wait.

Good grief, I've even taken to watching Ancient Aliens. I'll repent after a while.

Janet

Something in his birth certificate bothered him. I don't think it was where he was born. I think he was born in Hawaii.

I do too, Sue....or Washington State.

The story that his father left them when he was 2 is bogus.

Exactly.

If the family filed a delayed certificate, then that would explain the short green Certification being available, but no long form Certificate.

Sue

TC,

I have no idea. If spring training is any indication, we aren't looking to repeat.

In Dreams, Obama says "Unlike my Mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was." Would Obama's birth certificate not been proof of who his own father was?

Melinda Romanoff

MarkO-

It's You Kay.

As in Rupp Arena, the finest stadium designed for full enjoyment of Dr. Naismith's Peach Basket experiment.

I understand there's a purty good distillery tour group nearby, well at least 4 out of seven are within 45 minutes of Lexington.

Threadkiller

A birth certificate would be a good start for a fifty year old document.

You concede that what Justia tampered with is of no consequence, but you have no explanation why. Is that correct?

Back in 2008 Snopes published that Obama was not eligible. Of course they did this with a lack of evidence. You can skip to minute 8 if you are impatient.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/07/2008-snopes-article-reports-barack.html?m=1

MarkO

Justia is not an official reporter of the Supreme Court. It is legally meaningless. It could change the outcome of Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka and it would have no effect.

Threadkiller

I had no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. I now have some doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. My doubt comes from two sources.

1.) Sheriff Joe Arpaio. I have supported all of his actions prior to his certificate investigation. No conservative ever portrayed Arpaio as dishonest. There is a lack of evidence that Arpaio is operating at anything less than truthful.

2.) Lord Monckton. I have supported all of his actions prior to his comments on the certificate. No conservative has ever portrayed Monckton as dishonest. There is a lack of evidence that Monckton is operating at anything less than truthful.

Threadkiller

That is not addressing my point, MarkO. Why did they do it?

Ignatz

--If you were an intelligent being why would you want to hand around earth?--

Hey just cause they have flying saucers doesn't mean they have their own little green Kardashians, Ed Markeys and Martian Idol.
It's a virtual certainty Henry Waxman is from another world and he's anything but all all that.

Ignatz

...doesn't mean they *don't* have their own...

MarkO

TK, I can't possible know why, but if it could have no legal force, what's the point? Is it to fool the ignorant? If I'm running a conspiracy, I don't make it that easy to find evidence of it. And, you know I like a good conspiracy.

It's not impossible that Obama was born outside the USA, but it will take more than we have to prove it. Maybe there just isn't more. I think it hurts the argument to take tangents that almost certainly will not yield hard evidence. A circumstantial case will not work here.

Mad Jack

I thought you were bored with the birther stuff TK? :-)

Clarice

You just might have something there, Iggy.

Captain Hate

I wonder whether Austin Rivers wants to be drafted by the Celts, whether he wants nothing to do with playing for his father, or whether he doesn't care.

Doc showed up for his games when he could make it so I assume they have a good relationship. Playing for your father on a team like the Celtics could have its downside though; Garnett never shuts his ignorant yap and the trade rumors around Rondo weren't based on his lack of ability.

Danube of Thought

"The same media that we believe has the power to start a race war"

Who's "we?" i strongly believe that there is no grouping of media entities that has such power.

Inasmuch as whatever was done by Justia is of absolutely zero consequence, and I have no idea why anyone would have an actual conscious desire to do what they allegedly intentionally did, I can't possibly speculate on a motive.

Do you have any idea where, along the spectrum of materials affecting and influencing lawyers' and courts' understanding of the law you might find Justia? You don't want to know....

Melinda Romanoff

He's as bored with the issue as I am with the mortgage conspiracy, Mad Jack, and we've, mostly, agreed not to "go there".

Yet, the banks keep getting their "bailouts", legal or otherwise. New lawsuit by the MBS holders has generated a new set of diapers on the banker class, so I'll withhold judgement.

Back to TK.

scott

Ignatz, Thanks for the Pearl Harbour link. That's good stuff. I think I may have seen her at the Rodeo Bar in NYC in the early 90's. My wife lived a few blocks away and we were in there several nights a week. We saw a lot of great Rockabilly bands come through there. One of the best live music venues in the country.

Mad Jack

Well our fearless leader could always go with a diet thread to liven things up!

Janet

I enjoy picking apart Obama's sketchy narrative. There are so many inconsistencies.
Being a family for 2 years - not so.
Nameless girlfriend in Dreams.
Michelle to Bali with him or not? Who knows.
Trip to Pakistan.
All the missing documents.
I'm a "Whole-lifer".

Threadkiller

And I am back to being bored again.

Mad Jack

Very good, TK. Good night.

Janet

Here's something from matt -
The Atheist rally was kinda hum-drum.

"a poet delivered an obscenity-laced polemic that he wrote "in a fever dream, in all caps"; a former pastor played a few Mr. Rogers-style songs about how atheists are friendly; and biologist Richard Dawkins headlined. "
or this
But those speakers who did take a more aggressive, impassioned approach ("Welcome to Rick Santorum's worst God-damn nightmare," one speaker declared) rubbed other attendees the wrong way.

Sorta odd to be using the Lord's name to curse?

Threadkiller

Good night :)

Janet

"Then Dawkins got to the part where he calls on the crowd not only to challenge religious people but to "ridicule and show contempt" for their doctrines and sacraments,..."

Here's a pic.

I guess a lot of believers want to get into her panties?

Ann

Only under Obama and Holder, can a Hispanic man kill a black man and it is the white man's fault.

Katrina Hurricane wants you to read Blow:

Charles Blow on A Mother’s Grace and Grieving: http://nyti.ms/GQsLa8

He was a hard worker who earned extra money by painting houses, and washing cars and working in the concession of the Pee Wee football league on the weekends. He also baby-sat for his younger cousins, two adorable little girls ages 3 and 7, whom the family called the bunnies, and when he watched the girls he baked them cookies.

(Will see if they are trying to hard, lol)

Janet

Coming out of the atheist closet. So brave.

A pretty good crowd though.

Janet

Hey, Ann. We're up late.

narciso

From the post profile, he seems the right sort,


Stylistically, Grenier and Roger were opposites. Grenier gave plaques and photos with dignitaries prominent placement in his office, while Roger eschewed any evidence that he had a life outside the agency. Once, when someone gave him a cartoon sketch of himself — the kind you can buy from sidewalk vendors — he crumpled it up and threw it away, according to a former colleague, saying, “I don’t like depictions of myself.”
.

From the outset, Roger seemed completely absorbed by the job — arriving for work before dawn to read operational cables from overseas and staying well into the night, if he left at all. His once-pudgy physique became almost cadaverous. Although he had quit smoking a decade or so earlier, his habit returned full strength.

Now later on in the piece, they blame him for the loss of the Khost base, but then he sent someone he trusted, Jennifer Matthews,
there, just as they scapegoated her, for
letting two of the hijackers, slip through
the nets.

Ann

Hi, Janet xxxooo
____________________________________________
TM, Can you ban BF's phone and/or laptop next. He has lots of names but they are all from the same phone I believe. Dianne and Anne are two of them. The imposters are pretty easy to identify.

Btw, thank you! I really got a kick out of the "JustTenHours" recommendation. The people in your basement are the finest people I have never met.

Ignatz

--Do you have any idea where, along the spectrum of materials affecting and influencing lawyers' and courts' understanding of the law you might find Justia?--

Even as a non lawyer, when looking up cases for research I do on some issue we're dealing with I sometimes get a Justia hit, but there are way more and way more useful sources that ordinarily come up first.

Ignatz

--Ignatz, Thanks for the Pearl Harbour link. That's good stuff. I think I may have seen her at the Rodeo Bar in NYC in the early 90's.--

Just to be clear, scott, which I seldom am, the original was Wanda Jackson, rockabilly legend, who did the first version in the 50s.
Pearl Harbour was/is a punk/pop chick from San Francisco who started out with the Explosions in the late 70s.
She is actually pretty cute;

narciso

I know all these ill tempered hydra headed folk have ruined more than one thread, Ann,

Chubby

((I guess a lot of believers want to get into her panties?))

the other side of her sign probably says "Free Birth Control!"

Chubby

(("Drive-by media" is quite on the mark. Is it original with Rush Limbaugh?))

yes

BR

Re WaPo article - the link only allows pg 1 and 2, so haven't read it all.

It got picked up about 5 hours ago, Monday morning in Pakistan at Pakistan Observer, "A convert to Islam leads CIA terror hunt."

Why on earth would WaPo do this? Isn't it tantamount to outing a CIA chief (as the MSM wrongly accused the WH of doing a la Plame), endangering his life? With all those details, surely he can be identified.

BR

Out of the blue, I was thinking of Tuaregs recently and came upon this site, a call for help to the outside world from Tuaregs in northwestern Niger, being massacred for the sake of uranium. And I remembered Joe Wilson during Plamegate saying he had personal business in Niger, gold mining-related. (I distinctly remember a reference to the northern part of Niger, but will have to dig through old bookmarks to find it. Maybe in his loose-lipped interviews with Josh Marshall.)

Jan 04 Vanity Fair article:

“'I have a number of clients, and basically we help them with their sort of investments in countries like Niger,' explains Wilson. 'Niger was of some interest because it has some gold deposits coming onstream. We had some clients who were interested in gold.… We were looking to set up a gold-mine company out of London.'”

The first commercial gold mine, in the southwestern part, began production in Oct. 04 - SML (Societe des Mines du Liptako) which is a joint venture between a Moroccan company, Societe Semafo, and a Canadian company, Etruscan Resources.

Back in '05 I hadn't looked on a map to see where the uranium was. Now I see it's in the northwest, in the Tuareg area.

Dianne

I wish that somebody would respond.

narciso

Another side benefit of the hunt for Ali Babas, as Rick would put it, BR, is that it destabilizes that corner of the country, so it seems 'Roger' is the real life counterpart
of Ignatius's Hoffmans, or Silva's Adrian Carter, which makes his 'outing' quite revealing, they did the same to Rodriguez and co, you're welcome Dianne

boris

Isn't everyone?

boris

Probably not a rat. Go ask mommy to change your diaper rugrat.

narciso

I remember a Robert Kaplan story from 2006, after the Plame brouhaha, where we were training security forces to deal with Salafis
in North and Central Africa

boris

No more cartoons for you rugrat.

BR

Narciso, I haven't read those books. Can you elaborate? What's up do you think in this outing of "Roger"?

BR

Wow, re Salafis in N and C Africa - do you mean the Tuaregs? Do you mean Plame and Wilson might have manipulated US resources, CIA trainers to benefit their own private business dealings in re uranium in Niger?

sbw

Narcissists try to make others pay a price for daring to hold up a mirror, and for their vendetta, they make themselves seem so . . . small.

richard40

So what are the facts here. Is this a case like the Florida one, where the investigation was prematurely dropped, or more like Tawana Brawley, where the supposed victim is lying and no crime actually happened. If the white boy was actually put on fire by 2 black boys, then this is just as severe as the Florida case, and deserves the same attention. If it is bogus, then it deserves to be dropped.

narciso

I was off by a year, it just struck me, that a putatitive ally, is endangered, the Hoffman's are a CIA legacy that run through
almost of all Ignatius's work, Adrian Carter, is the diligent spymaster and counterpart to
the Mossad spy, Gabriel Allon.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/04/america-apos-s-african-rifles/3823/

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