Into Pre-Election Limbo

The Justice Departmnt and FBI have picked up the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman case.  Zimmerman can't be cleared before the election, so unless they can come up with convincing new evidence (audio wizardry on the 911 tapes?) this case goes into pre-election limbo.

I still think Zimmerman ought to be guilty of something, but under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self defense law (aka "Shoot First"), the other party to their scuffle is dead and no other witnesses seem to contradict the self-defense alibi.

We get a new version of Zimmerman's story:

Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said. He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.

The self-appointed self-important neighborhood watch captain wasn't sure what street he was on?  Or was he just double-checking?

The police captain had offered this (possibly hypothetical) version of events last week:

“Mr. Zimmerman’s claim is that the confrontation was initiated by Trayvon,” Police Chief Bill Lee said in an interview. “I am not going into specifics of what led to the violent physical encounter witnessed by residents. All the physical evidence and testimony we have independent of what Mr. Zimmerman provides corroborates this claim to self-defense.”

To claim self-defense, someone has to show there was danger of great bodily harm or death, Lee said. “Zimmerman had injuries consistent with his story,” Lee said.

Zimmerman had a damp shirt, grass stains, a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound in back of his head, according to police reports.

“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody?” Lee said. “It’s not.”

Since we have the "not going into specifics" disclaimer it is not clear that the bit about "If someone asks you..." is Zimmerman's actual alibi.

Or, I suppose, Zimmerman could have asked that question, turned around, and gotten jumped.

The Feds will sort this out.  Either they clear Zimmerman next December or they indict him in October; there is no way they bring this to trial and risk an acquital or dismissal before the election.

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Comments

[henry]

CRT- some races are more critical than others. Like everything else the "truth" has to wait for Obama's reelection. PPACA, budget sequestration, Iran's bomb, Israel's reaction to Iran's bomb, F&F disclosure, and now the CRT racial hierarchy.

[Clarice]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/world/middleeast/united-states-war-game-sees-dire-results-of-an-israeli-attack-on-iran.html?_r=2&hp

This was so obviously an administration leak, a friend says he wishes Obama tried to rein in the Iranians as much as he tries to rein in the Israelis. Pheh! There is not a single thing this Administration does which is rational .

[I lost my program.]

Did the good guys win?
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[Thomas Collins]

NPR just referred to Zimmerman as a Hispanic neighborhood watch leader. I guess NPR didn't get the "let's make Zimmerman the Great White Defendant" memo.

Clarice, do you think there is any basis for DOJ to intervene (other than catering to the constituency that Obama needs to go at least 95-5 in his favor). Of all the black on white and white on black and black on Asian and Hispanic on Irish and etcetera etcetera ad nauseam crime in the last month, what aspect of the actual facts of this case justifies DOJ sticking its nose in here?

[William Teach]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why the FBI is being called into a state matter. Did Florida request their assistance?

[qrstuv]

Yeah, I was wondering that too. Why is this a Federal case?!

[Thomas Collins]

William Teach, I can only guess that DOJ is investigating whether this is some sort of hate crime in violation of federal statutes. But I think that is a pretext. Or perhaps looking at whether local police are discriminating against blacks in their policing conduct. In any event, if Hispanic activists push back, Axelplouffe might tell DOJ to back off.

[Thomas Collins]

The Miami Herald article mentions attorney referrint to a "botched" police investigation. I wonder what the evidence for that is. Rick Scott, the Governor of Florida, is offering resources. Perhaps it is a volatile situation in the Sanford community, and the Feds and Governor Scott are hoping investigations will give time for things to cool down.

In any event, this could be Stanley Fish's tribal politics taking the national stage.

[jimmyk]

NPR just referred to Zimmerman as a Hispanic neighborhood watch leader. I guess NPR didn't get the "let's make Zimmerman the Great White Defendant" memo.

I heard that too, TC. But then their next story was about how race and the health care debate, the subtext being that opposition to Obamacare (along with everything else) is racially motivated. How that squares with the fact that Obama was elected was not mentioned, at least not before I stopped listening.

[Jack is Back!]

Zimmerman's 911 Call.

As I have said, this is going to be a lot different at the end than it was in the beginning. Lots of information out there that has not come to light - yet!

There may be more than one or two 911 calls from Zimmerman. And Trayvon was acting suspiciously not that that is a crime or even illegal but could be a precursor to a crime or crimes committed before.

[centralcal]

Speaking of race or racially motivated, etc. comes these Tweets from Byron York:

Byron York Byron York ‏ @ByronYork
From WH pool: Introducing Michelle Obama at NYC fundraiser, Robert De Niro jokes: 'Callista Gingrich, Karen Santorum, Ann Romney…'

Byron York ‏ @ByronYork
More de Niro: 'Now, do you really think our country is ready for a white First Lady?' Crowd roars, yells 'No!' De Niro: 'Too soon, right?'

[Captain Hate]

El JEFe's internals must be completely in the toilet if he's pursuing this garbage, which will end up as badly for him as the Gates situation did.

[jimmyk]

He seems to be wisely staying out of it, at least overtly. But some journalist is going to ask him about it, and I suspect he won't be able to resist the opportunity to make some political hay out of it.

[Jack is Back!]

CH, et. al.

If you read the Sentinel and watch the local Orlando news channels this is already gone beyone a criminal investigation to a political canard and "crisis to take advantage of".

Also, they are already going after the "guns" by saying "I told you so" about the expansion of the Stand Your Ground legislation in 2005 (wasn't that under Charlie Crist's watch?). The anti-gun crowd is now working with the NAACP and the local progs to take this away from Sanford Police and Seminole county DA and make it something other than what it is.

Now, obviously, Zimmerman is a little bit of wannabe. He has made close to 50 calls to 911 since 2009 in his role as neighborhood watchdog. He is also a Hispanic and there is a divide in Sanford (which is what we call a mixed area) between the local blacks and hispanics. This could end up backfiring by pitting blacks against hispanics - not something you want in an election year if you are the Dems.

More to come.

[Whets his appetite.]

Charlie Manson gets the news.
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[Strawman Cometh]

backfiring by pitting blacks against hispanics

Bingo - this calculus will ultimately belay any action by the feds.

[Hark Har.]

Obama plunges the knife into his pregnant campaign's belly.
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[NK]

There are few things I dislike more than racial politics and racial justice. It's an inevitable part of life (like debt and taxes), so I guess my hope is that a fair investigation will determine why an unarmed teenager was killed. Beyond that, I'll hold my nose at the stink caused by racialist politicians. In the meantime, below is a daily headline link from the Wash Ex that shows why 'Bam is doomed; 'Bam's 3+ year debt higher than Bush's 8 year; gas all time March high, Ryan Budget goes precisely the right way. For all of you conservative fatalists, look at the young conservatives out there-- smart, attractive and committed conservatives-- Ryan, Rubio, Col West, Palin, Walker etc-- if 2012 goes the right way, the conservative future is very bright, and we may just avoid national bankruptcy: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/morning-examiner-ryan-leads-where-obama-fails/436276

[Porchlight]

In Austin a few weeks ago an unarmed young Hispanic man crashed his vehicle, fled the scene and ended up being shot dead by a homeowner with a Muslim last name. Somehow it is not getting the press that the Zimmerman case is getting.

[NK]

'Bam has truly screwed the pooch in all respects. Today's headlines include Russian 'anti-terrorist' marines in Syria and Israel closer to bombing the Mullahs. I can't blame Assad, if I had to slaughter a bunch of muslim dissidents, I'd call in brother Vlad Putin as well. The link:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russian-anti-terror-troops-arrive-syria/story?id=15954363

[Jane]

In the last thread someone was talking about how unpopular Romney is.

I think a closer examination will show that is a media narrative.

I've been asked to moderate a republican fundraiser involving a local Fox news political commentator and a former US Rep. I emailed them to see what they want to talk about. The commenter said he wanted to talk about how the media has created the narrative that Romney is underperforming despite his steady march to the nomination.

Something to think about even if you don't want Romney. Don't get used by the media. We are all Breitbart.

[Csnyder]

Now we have Martin's girlfriend coming forward saying she was on the phone with him in real time, as he was attacked. Where the hell was she a couple of weeks ago?

[Threadkiller]

Clarice, I wonder how the results of the simulated war wouldturn out if we change one variable.

Let's pretend our top secret drone did NOT make a perfect, 3 point landing in Iran.

[Csnyder]

re: Zimmerman's calls to police...Miami Herald reported 400 calls to the police from that subsdivison in 2011. That seems like an incredible number. If 50 or so of them were from Zimmerman, who were the other 350 from?

[narciso]

Ah. leave it to the Herald's police reporter, seconded to the Latin American desk, where she
'removed all doubt' getting the story wrong,

Jane, they have been shoving the 'inevitability of Romney' for a year now, and they are doing this on purpose, he was the favored, when there was no opposition to Obama, when his man Murphy, stated in no clear terms, that demography made that impractical, why do you think they lied about the Tea party, they repeat one ludicrous assertion after another, ab out everyone associated with it,

[narciso]

You know I would dismiss that story, about the wargame if it wasn't for General Mattis, he's a standup guy,

[OldTimer]

Last Friday's WH news dump presents a possible scenario for election mayhem.

If the cynicism level wasn't so high regarding our current gate-keepers, perhaps this could be laughed off, but then again... LUN

[GMAX]

Jim Geraghty going irrationally optimistic this AM:

It ties to a theory I’ve had for a while, that most apolitical voters desperately want to avoid concluding that the first African-American president of the United States is a failure, on par with a second term for Jimmy Carter. As a result, they will give Obama until the very last minute to demonstrate an ability to get the job done, to demonstrate that he can generate tangible improvements in their lives. But, if around October 2012, people don’t see tangible improvements in their lives, well, the bottom may fall out of his numbers. He’ll still have his loyal base, but the vast majority of independents will decide he just can’t get the job done.

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[Extraneus]

Click for full size.

[MarkO]

Well, if this is true, it's no cause for optimism:

"most apolitical voters desperately want to avoid concluding that the first African-American president of the United States is a failure"

Heart bowed down by weight of woe
To weakest hope will cling.

[GMAX]

Happy Vernal Equinox, even you MarkO. Buck up, we got some work to do.

[Threadkiller]

From OT's link:

" So what is the problem? Well, considering that the authority of the DPA has never been meaningfully exercised, and that the pre-emption of authority claimed by the Clinton-era EO 12919 has been similarly dormant, why would the Obama administration choose this particular time to update an obscure and unused authority? It is this question many believe must be asked and answered, and sooner rather than later.

In an attempt to provide that answer, allow me to don an appropriately stylish tinfoil hat before I present a plausible scenario."

And:
" Now (as I adjust my tinfoil hat to a jauntier angle),let me tie these points together."

Oh Joy! Another concerned reporter that qualifies this as a "tin foil" concern. Why report on it at all then?

Now he never says he took the hat off, so what do I make of his conclusion?

" The timing of this executive order is jarring, even if the specific changes to the order are not. The power it conveys is staggering and cannot be safely entrusted to a single branch of government, much less to a single man. The Congress needs to reassert control over the exercise and implementation of the Defense Production Act before it can be utilized by a power-hungry cabal of leftists eager to fundamentally transform America. There is a door no one has locked, and our home is not secure. Close the door, lock it, and throw away that key."

Mr. Miyagi needs to teach this clown how to report a story.

"Hat on, Hat off."

[narciso]

Just when you think, you can't be cynical enough, just wait a spell;

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/03/19/your-home-or-your-oil-gas-leases/#comments

[Jane]

GMAX,

I like Kevin Williamson's take on it. (I also really like Kevin Williamson. He's quite cool)

[Davod]

"Russian 'anti-terrorist' marines in Syria"

Maybe the Russians are going to Syria to remove WMD.

[narciso]

There's a Russian word for this, what was common practice in Chechnya, and sanctioned
from the highest ranks in the Army,

[Danube of Thought]

Minus 14 at Raz today.

Leads Romney by 1.

[NK]

GMAX/Mark)-- I completely agree with Geraghty. Apolitical -- "It's cool to have a black POTUS" are ignoring his obvious failure for now. They are not "strong approvers", right now they are disapprove or no opinion. Come Labor Day-October, the likely voter strongly disapprove will go from the current 40-42% to 50-52% as the apolitical give in to reality and admit their disapproval. I am sticking with that ABO winner in November.

[narciso]

btw, here's the plausible play by play behind
the trial balloon yesterday.

http://blog.american.com/2012/03/boehners-800-billion-tax-hike-was-anything-but/

[GMAX]

Charlie Gasparino tells the tale of a prominent CEO climbing off the Obama train:

Back when he agreed to advise the Obama administration on economics, General Electric CEO Jeff Immelt told friends that he thought it would be good for GE and good for the country. A life-long Republican, Immelt said he believed he could at the very least moderate the president’s distinctly anti-business instincts.

That was three years ago; these days Immelt is telling friends something quite different.

Sure, GE has managed to feast on federal subsidies, particularly the “green-energy” giveaways that are Obamanomics’ hallmark.

But Immelt doesn’t think he’s had anywhere near as much luck moderating the president’s fat-cat-bashing, left-leaning economic agenda of taxing businesses and entrepreneurs to pay for government bloat.

WHOOPS. Who is the rube now?

[Sue]

Because, of course the stuff is different. There are butlers walking around, you know? We didn't have that, you know. So, Barack and I really do work hard to, you know, figure out how you create those values in this other world that we know nothing about and we, you know, try to make sure the kids have chores to do.

You know, if someone else talked, you know, like the FLOTUS, there would, you know, be questions about her, you know, intelligence, you know?

[NK]

GMAX-- Immelt believes in one thing above all -- Shareholder Value. Immelt figured -- rightly-- that 'Bam would deliver Billions to GE wind power subsidies-- he did-- and that 'Bam's anti-business crony capitalism would hurt small business more than mega-corps -- it did-- and that wold be good for GE shareholders. Well, Immelt has realized that 'Bam is SO Bad-- it jeopardizes GE's profits. So.... 'Bam must go!!

[Sue]

Shouldn't we be celebrating today? It is the anniversary of Obamacare and a celebration should be in order. Everyone, including the VP, thought this was a big effin' deal.

[GMAX]

Next up, Jeff Immelt must go too.

[Jim Ryan]

Sue, at least she managed "Barack and I" this time.

[narciso]

So does 'Beyond Edison' plan a different strategy now, or does he think the previous
cap n trade SCAM is still operative,

[NK]

'Bam dumps on Mullahs, wishes the Persian people happy new year. See link-- 'Bam goes all "Bush Doctrine" and tries to put a wedge between the people and the Mullahs-- NOW? 3 years after the Mullahs stole the election and slaughtered people in the Street? 'Bam is so lame, it's pathetic. http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-celebrates-iranian-people-nowruz/436461

[Porchlight]

But, if around October 2012, people don’t see tangible improvements in their lives, well, the bottom may fall out of his numbers.

Even the dead man walking that was Carter in 1976 managed to hold on to a lot of voters - at least as far as the polls reported - until the very end.

As far as I can see, Obama broke up with independents a long time ago and they have yet to show any sign of interest in getting back together with him.

[Porchlight]

1980, sorry, not 1976.

[Sue]

Jim,

I was wondering if southside Chicago values include sending your 13 year old on spring break to Mexico?

[rse]

NK-You are thinking exactly what I thought. Plus I used to have dealings with their medical imaging division and ended up friends with the guy running it. No way obamacare will support all the imaging equipment out there right now and the money is in the servicing of those machines.

I can't be the only one whose reactions to ge's crony cap model is to avoid their appliances.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/20/state/n003121D31.DTL

"California prison inmates who are held in solitary confinement are petitioning the United Nations to intervene to stop the practice.

Advocates for the inmates and their families will hold a news conference Tuesday in Los Angeles and make public a petition directed to the two organizations."

[Melinda Romanoff]

Sue-

Hyde Park is NOT "South Side". It's special.

[Porchlight]

Sue, I never would have remembered if you hadn't mentioned the Obamacare anniversary. Hmm, maybe I will put something on FB and see who bites.

[Sue]

Porch,

Well, it is a big effin' deal. Maybe not the way they originally intended it...

[Sue]

Mel,

Special in they are all socialists? And rich?

[NK]

Sue-- agree with your 10:39. The ultimate legacy of Obamacare will be a Repub Congress and Potus repealing Obamacare, reforming Medicare and Medicaid all through Budget reconciliation. The Progs passed Obamacare by reconciliation and they will ide by Reconcilaition. A big Effin' Deal.

[narciso]

I recall what Thiessnen dug up about the prisons in two of the exemplar countries that criticized us over Gitmo, France and Greece,
our prisons seems like day spas.

[Porchlight]

The missing part of the story is that Immelt was barely hanging on to his job when Obama was elected. Obama saved his skin by taking him on.

Google the following if you don't believe me:

immelt 2008 embattled -obama

[Ignatz]

Did anyone here know that the raid to get OBL was the most audacious military operation in the last 500 years? Our one man brain trust Veep thinks so.
Biden is a joke that has been retold so many times even Henny Youngman would have put him out to pasture.

[NK]

rse-- that would be the GE medical imaging business now based in China-- right?

[NK]

Ig-- give me Google and 1 Hour I'll come up with 500 more audacious military actions than Ossama. No offense to our SEALs but in terms of political/miltary audacity? Osamma was a no-brainer. Biden is a buffoon.

[Janet]

Shouldn't we be celebrating today? It is the anniversary of Obamacare and a celebration should be in order. Everyone, including the VP, thought this was a big effin' deal.

Sue,
I had the 21st written down as Melancholy Dependence Day. :(

[Ignatz]

--I still think Zimmerman ought to be guilty of something--

That's the attitude that leads to a nation of men not laws.
If we can't find a law that fits we'll just go bend some until we do.
Ask Stacey Koon.

[Jane]

I was just listening to the radio on my way to the PO and Glenn Beck said that JP Morgan has suspended the vatican's account for money laundering.

I'm quite sure this is the next step in the contraception battle (see how evil the catholic church is) and I find it quite disturbing.

[MarkO]

Vatican money laundering?

[Danube of Thought]

"...want to avoid concluding that the first African-American president of the United States is a failure, on par with a second term for Jimmy Carter."

I find that formulation very confusing. Can someone unscramble the sentiment he's expressing?

[marlene]

Happy Spring everyone. Sue,I agree about the values of sending a 13 year old to Mexico on spring break/school trip.What about the other parents? Did they have any security concerns,knowing the President's child is in the group? Are the Secret Service for the protection of Malia or would they be obligated to protect all the children in an emergency? Twenty-five agents?

[Sue]

Janet,

I am going off what I heard on the radio. I haven't independently verified it. If I'm a day early, blame ABC News Radio. I blame them for everything anyway. ::grin::

[MarkO]

Being full of doom, among other things, I believe he is expressing a view that "positive" racism stacks the deck in favor of Obama and that some voters will go out of their way to avoid the possibility of finding the first black president to be the abject failure that was Carter. In other words, Obama will have the benefit of every doubt. Only vivid failure will oust him from office.

Boy, do I feel good now.

[narciso]

Well we know who's back in the administration's good graces don't we,

[MarkO]

World map, showing equality of day and night.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Earth?opt=-p&img=learth.evif

[Sue]

Janet,

The WH website says Obama signed it on March 23, 2010. So...

[narciso]

It's insane to send anyone to Oaxaca at this point in time, are they really this clueless?

[jimmyk]

If Obama's performance to date isn't "vivid failure," I don't know what is.

[narciso]

Revise and extend your remarks, Bueller, Bueller;

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012/03/20/story_20-3-2012_pg7_23

[GMAX]

And a key point in the Ryan plan, tax simplification. Hooray for Paul:

The Ryan plan contains another element popular with Republicans across the board: tax reform. It proposes to cut top rates for individuals, paring back the number of tax brackets to two - 25 percent and 10 percent - from six now.

[Porchlight]

I can't find a reputable account of the JP Morgan-Vatican closure story. Just blogs and a couple of sketchy business sites. Those say it was "reported by Italian newspapers" last week.

Unless the major wires or newspapers pick it up, I doubt it even happened, or happened as reported at any rate.

[Danube of Thought]

Raz: "A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for the Republican in their district’s congressional race if the election were held today, while 40% would choose the Democrat instead. Last week, the Republican led by six points, 44% to 38%."

[jimmyk]

FWIW, Oaxaca isn't on the State Dept's "don't travel" list.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5665.html

Many parts of Mexico are, of course, but from Oaxaca south and east there are no advisories. (I've been keeping track, because we're vacationing in Quintana Roo next month.)

[Clarice]

TK, Here's another version:http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/03/20/top-us-reporter-israelis-think-strike-on-iran-will-work/

Oh, who to believe, the leaked Administration story in the NUT or this one?

[Clarice]

NYT

[narciso]

I think you were right the first time, by the way, while we were distracted, they replaced
the quarrelsome director of the ISI.

[Danube of Thought]

What is the antecedent of "on a par with a second term for Jimmy Carter?"

[narciso]

What I was referring to,

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\03\20\story_20-3-2012_pg7_9

[GMAX]

Pretty good graphic of the debt trajectories of Ryan versus Zero, here:

http://blog.american.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/032012obaamvsryan.jpg

[narciso]

And the Post like dutiful Minitruthers goes after Santorum on his faith, root and branch.

[Sue]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd a 13 year old gets a spring break...to anywhere...without her parents?

[Neo]

I'm sure that if Jimmy Hoffa or Judge Crater showed up tomorrow, we would have a much better chance to clearing up than we will ever have in the Martin/Zimmerman case.

[Sue]

The house voted on March 21, 2010, to pass Obamacare. As Janet noted. I have no effin' idea what ABC News Radio was referring to. Maybe I missed something.

[Jane]

Vatican money laundering?

That's what they said.

I'm feeling better about the election this week. Of course that could all change tomorrow, but I keep hearing from people determined to vote against Obama - people who didn't vote last time, immigrants, the gas station attendant and on and on.

[NK]

Narc-- the Ryan Plan chart from Greek Hero Pethokoukis is a winner with INDY voters. Why-- it doesn't touch current retirees, it doesn't touch Soc Sec, it simplifies taxes. 3 winners for Indy voters PLUS that chart shows why Bam leads to national bankruptcy. 35% of voters will hate Ryan-- 55% will love him. This is a political winner.

[Thomas Collins]

Re Ignatz's 10:49 AM post: What evidence has come to light to indicate that Zimmerman should be guilty of anything? Any Floridian who doesn't like Florida's no retreat law can work through the legislative process to change it. However, even without a no retreat law, Zimmerman wouldn't necessarily have been guilty of anything unless, as Ignatz notes, we prefer a society with laws elastic enough to criminalize the actions of people we think should be guilty of something.

[Janet]

The WH website says Obama signed it on March 23, 2010. So...

You're right, Sue...The 20th the Tea Party was slandered...the 21st the House passed it...the 23rd President 404 signed it. It was a week of crap. I just liked the term, Melancholy Dependence Day (from a JOMer).

[Sue]

I think it is funny when they show a picture of the white man. They so desperately want him to be white they think they can erase the fact that one of his parents is Hispanic. So, let's start calling Obama a white man.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Sue-

Correct on both items.

[Extraneus]

Romney tells heckler to “vote for the other guy” for “free stuff”

Woman: ”So you’re all for like, ‘yay, freedom,’ and all this stuff. And ‘yay, like pursuit of happiness.’ You know what would make me happy? Free birth control.”

Romney:”You know, let me tell you, no no, look, look let me tell you something. If you’re looking for free stuff you don’t have to pay for, vote for the other guy. That’s what he’s all about, okay? That’s not, that’s not what I’m about.”

[Clarice]

Sue, I am certain there are teachers with them and that it is considered a field trip not "spring break". As I keep telling you that's a common practice in private schools here.

[Sue]

I hit post before I finished my thought.

So, let's start calling Obama a white man. That way, apolitical voters desperately want[ing] to avoid concluding that the first African-American president of the United States is a failure can just say the white man failed.

[Sue]

As I keep telling you that's a common practice in private schools here.

This is the first time I've seen you say anything about it. Anyway, I still find it odd.