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March 03, 2012



First? Well, then, it's never too early to say GTHC.


((...in a less incendiary fashion))

tell me why "lipstick on a pig" was not incendiary

Agent J

As I posted last night on FB..When you can get a prescription of Birth Control pills filled at Wal-Mart for under $10 a mounth, that leaves a lot of money for condoms..maybe she should study more!

Danube of Thought

I thought Rush's comments were stupid and misdirected. He has blown this one badly.


But the language is over the top and not helpful to his larger point, however helpful it may be to Rush's personal goals. He's putting himself ahead of the team here.

I disagree. I think Rush's framing of an otherwise boring subject has clued a lot of otherwise uninformed people into the social redistribution aspects of insurance mandates and associated liberal policies.

By questioning the amount of sex involved in requiring rich hot law-school nymphos to either spend $1000/yr on condoms or get subsidized by the rest of us, he allows average voters to think over what they wouldn't otherwise even consider.

Agent J



Well, I want Rush to apologize for insulting the woman...

Right after Obama apologizes for calling a large part of the country "bitter clingers" -- and the numerous other insults he has offered us over the years.

Fred Beloit

Just one minute. This woman testified that she gets screwed frequently, and so frequently [this condition used to be covered by a special term, nymphomaniac] that she wants the rest of us to pay for means to prevent her from becoming pregnant. And you are asking who paid for her undergrad sex materials?

Oh sorry, you're a don't ask don't tell blog. It is Rush who is the inappropriate one.

I've seen road apples before, but I would never have expected such a huge pile on this blog.


Hang on -

my understanding is that the cost of birth control options such as pills and IUDs is fixed.

Therefore Rush should be applauding Fluke for lowering her "cost per act".



I don't want anyone to apologize. I agree with Extraneus. Rush takes the heat & serves up a big MFM platform & the Republicans do what..........distance themselves from Rush.
He gave them center stage to make their points...& they blow it. :(


A woman who 1) claims that birth control costs $1000/year, and 2) thinks someone other than the consumer should pay for it deserves every last piece of excoriation she gets.



for some reason I thought the number she used was $3000


"over the top and not helpful to his larger point"

I deplore such shortsighted thinking.

It is not always possible to crystalize an issue with calm measured dignified ridicule. Sometimes the simple slur is much more effective.

In context is was a simple point ... if she wants other people to chip in to pay the expenses of her apparently marathon sex life what does that make her?

Rush didn't shout at her like ... Jane you ignorant slut!

Don't remember that causing a big fuss. In context an obvious joke but in print one could have made it seem like a nasty insult.


On the merits, Rush may be right; on the message, he's given the left an opening and taken the spotlight off Obama. I don't think we have that luxury.

When the leader of the free world calls a poor, naughty girl to comfort her, you know this is just more of the trap sprung by Geo Shankapotomus, jumped in by Rick S., and wonderfully employed by someone with more brains than we seem to have on our side.


Chubby, I think $3000 was for her whole time at college. Or something.


I dunno, MarkO. I think Obama made the bigger mistake than Rush did. Calling Ms. Nympho to sympathize with her started a whole slew of "Did Obama call (insert any of many names here) when...?


Part of me wants to bring Arlen Specter out of retirement to do a good ol' fashioned timeline.

Ms. Fluke - you're attending a Catholic law school? Is that correct?

and you are attending as a 3rd year law student?

At a Catholic University?

And, per your testimony, 40% of the women attending law school pay in excess of $1,000 per year for birth control?

And, per your study, that $1,000 represents an amount of money that would drive them to bankruptcy?

Are you familiar with the legal concept of "discretionary spending?"

So, $85 per month represents a make-or-break amount?

And, these women, they consider birth control to be important?

More important than other voluntary activities?

... what were the criteria for your study?

Did you verify the women's reports?

Did they share their tax information?

and so forth....


If this a serious issue, then - okay - let's treat it seriously.



"he's given the left an opening and taken the spotlight off Obama"

The proper response to left and right ninnies who recoil in horror at the word "slut" is ...

Give Me A Fucking Break
Thomas Collins

It's more than energy. Coffee is necessary for my mental health. By the logic of Pelosi and Boxer and Murray and Warren and Fluke, by not supporting requiring health plans to provide bags of coffee, grinders (for those who prefer whole bean), gift cards to Starbucks and other coffee establishments, coffee machines at work, and spoons, cups and saucers, those nasty conservatives are denying us our right to mental health treatment!


and then we can reach a good old fashioned Scottish verdict:

Not proven


Besides. I thought liberal women were proud of their slut-i-ness. They sure were when they were having "Slut Walks" not too long ago.

Thomas Collins

I recognize that in NYC, free sugar for those who like some in their coffee will not be included in the coffee mandated coverage package. However, I understand from reliable sources that Mayor Bloomberg may alllow 2 percent milk as well as skim milk to be part of the mandate.


I don't recoil at the word "slut." I actually think it might have some power as a shorthand ridicule of the good Sister Fluke. But, to what end? Discussing a violation of the First Amendment? Hardly. It's a recapitulation of a fight over birth control long settled. It's over.

I do wonder why we are swimming in a conraceptive morass instead of slamming Obama about jobs and national security. This election will not be won on the issue of contraception. Moreover, it is to Obama's advantage to frame the GOP as opposed to it. He's done it. Rush helped.


it's very confusing, do they want big government in or out of the bedrooms of the nation?


I have yet to see one of these Rush imbroglios turn out the way the Doom!-sayers think it will.
It may put the spotlight on Rush, but thank God it does, because he then uses that spotlight quite effectively.


"I do wonder why we are swimming in a conraceptive morass instead of slamming Obama about jobs and national security"

Because Pelosi thinks a provocative social issue will help the dimorats?

One way she's apparently right is how it sends bloggers like Althouse running for cover.


((This election will not be won on the issue of contraception.))

from what I've read, Obama has lost a lot of women voters, and this is what he's doing to get them back, so perhaps the election will indeed be won or lost for Obama on this issue

BB Key

Has anyone seen a complete bio on Sandra Fluke,the law student ?


I hope I’m the delusional one.


Rush is evidently counting on the common sense of politically non-aligned women who voted for Obama last time. He thinks they too will scoff at the feminists' costly demands and not give their vote to Obama

Ben Franklin

Romney finally piped up about Limbaugh's mouth.

"I would have used different words, but now I wanna talk about jobs"

This statement of course is preceded by the headline;

*GOP rabbit punch followed by quick Tap-Out.....*



Comparing this teapot tempest with the coverage of Joe the Plumber (who did NOT testify to Congress, merely asked a question in public) is enlightening.


Speaking of coincidences:

BARBARA OLSON – Author of “Hell to Pay” – a book critical of Hillary Clinton, killed in the Pentagon bombing.

DARLENE NOVINGER – Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration’s drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.

DAN MULLONEY, a television news photographer who shot footage of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege.

CHARLES RUFF – White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.

JAMES MCDOUGAL – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr’s investigation.

MARY MAHONEY – A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER – Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II – Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

JEREMY “MIKE” BOORDA, President Clinton’s former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.

PAUL TULLEY – Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

ED WILLEY – Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks’ son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH – Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON – Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON – Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN – Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER – Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE – Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR.STANLEY HEARD – Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.

STEVE DICKSON – Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL – Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS – Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


KEITH CONEY – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE – Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988. GREGORY COLLINS – Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF Rhoads– He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS – Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.


Danube of Thought

I'm not saying it's doom for Rush by any means, but I do note that four or five sponsors have withdrawn their sponsorship.

Nothing the woman said warranted the term "slut," and nothing she said suggested that she was promiscuous.

The response invited by her testimony was "why should an 'insurance' plan cover an event which is certain to occur? And if you can't afford it, what makes you think others can or should pay for it?"

I see it as a perfect example of self-centered, me-first rent-seeking, not an issue of sexual behavior.


TK, but what about Elvis?


Oh carp that was a long post. Sorry about that.

Happy Birthday Jane!! I promise to not do that again.


Obama can distract, but he can't hide. 8 months to go.

Ben Franklin

Worst Tornadoes, for March, ever. March still has some time left.

Hope you people in the Tornado Watch areas keep your heads down.


The actual statement Rush made ...

“What does it say about the college co-ed Fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says she must be paid to have sex? What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute.
If DoT finds it appropriate to quibble that the issue is not sexual behavior then the statement is clearly not calling her anything. Just asking a question ... right?

Besides, prostitute seems to include the notion of "rent seeking" one would think.


((I see it as a perfect example of self-centered, me-first rent-seeking, not an issue of sexual behavior))

when has rational and tempered argument against the left's me-firstism ever worked in the past? if it did, today's problems wouldn't exist


--The response invited by her testimony was "why should an 'insurance' plan cover an event which is certain to occur? And if you can't afford it, what makes you think others can or should pay for it?"--

And Rush asked why he should be asked to pay for the contraceptives of a slut.
If history follows its usual pattern that's what the message left with people will be.
And it will only have been placed there by his hyperbole.
Had he phrased it benignly we would be talking about how many cars Chrysler sold last month.


Can't Rush just say he misspoke? Is is the "get out jail free" card of the left.

Ben Franklin

" Just asking a question ... right?"

A rhetorical question is merely a device for making your own point.

He did not require an answer, since he gave the punch line, himself.


Rush seldom if ever backs down. He usually finds a way to make the other side hurt worse.

"I hope he fails"

The ninnies didn't like that one either.

"Evil Empire"

Again with the ninnies.


A rhetorical device in the context of quibble ??? Heavens Forfend!


The generation who will vote for the first time in this Presidential election or at least be able to only hears "conservative" and "called a female law student a slut for wanting birth control".

Rush's cleverness and word play created a problemmatic sound byte for low message voters.

The legitimate "we all lose if personal living expenses can just be foisted on someone else" focus is lost to that age group.

And that's an important message for that group to master as they already have been trained to believe things should be "free".

And as Melinda ably noted, that's believing in the impossible. Not free just shifted impoverishes us all.

Ben Franklin

"Can't Rush just say he misspoke?"

Tricycle wheel, fly off?


Beavers on everyone's favorite rouge US Attorney. LUN


Seriously I don't understand what is so hard about this issue.


Insurance companies are compensated for their product no different than Obama is compensated for his (Bill Ayers) tripe books.

It's that simple. Rush didn't get it wrong at all, he has gotten the issue scrutinized better than anyone else did or would.


Even more irksome to me than the left's outrage, and the right's agonizing that this time for sure Rush crossed the line, is the (no doubt unintentional) snobbery about this all "helping Obama" and that it's "a distraction" and that we should not talk about anything but jobs/economy.

I want to respect the opinion, and I most certainly respect the sincerity and intention, but I have to say it's bogus.

If the election could be won on only jobs/economy, we'd have already won it. THOSE facts are all out there, and they've been out there for years. How much more pursuading power do you think there is in that?

Note - I'm NOT suggesting dropping the topics of jobs/economy, but we're in "maintain pressure" mode, we're not building pressure. To build pressure requires adding fuel - and even though many seem to think contraception mandates are meaningless or counterproductive, I say with enormous confidence that my (Dixie Dem) county, which gave Obama a majority and which seemed likely to do so again because we're all poor here (26% in poverty, 24% work are government employees) are really shaken up by this.

The counterargument that this is turning people away ... who is that? Who are you referring to? Yourself? No - your vote isn't changing. You know people on the fence that were leaning Repub that are not leaning Dem AND are actually going to vote?

I don't buy it. The media is making things up - don't let them get away with it, confront.




For a complete bio, see


Rick Ballard

"when has rational and tempered argument against the left's me-firstism ever worked in the past?"


I won't say it's the result of rational and tempered argument but the decisions by Olympia Snowe and Norman Dicks to spend more quality time away from DC amounted to the most significant stories of the week. They were also strong evidence that the maintrickle is simply not having any impact on the consensus view of the muddle that oligarchs must go.

Norm Dicks had a very powerful position and Olympia Snowe had a seemingly rock solid sinecure established upon the basis of being a very reliable squish. My bet is that their private polling results had the same "there is no path from here to there" quality as the President's.

We won't be reading about it in the maintrickle though. We'll just have to rely upon our lying eyes.


Perfect for the leftist busybodies -


AliceH - good question.

How many people are out there who were going to vote Republican and because Rush Limbaugh suggested a liberal activist is a slut, now are definitively going to vote for Obama?

Really, how many people?


I hate to show my age, particularly today, but when did having sex become a right? The left is pushing the meme that no one take responsibility for having sex. So is rape now a right too? after all it is so important that college students have sex, (and high school kids, and junior high school kids) have sex that we have to pay for it. Well what about the kids who want to have sex but can't find anyone to have it with? What about their rights?

Danube of Thought

prostitute seems to include the notion of "rent seeking" one would think.

No. The prostitute provides a service in return for compensation. The rent-seeker seeks a share of what someone else has earned, with making any contribution.


This contraception trap is in the nature of the classic described as “the tar baby” in American folklore. It has analogues in other myths, particularly one about the young Buddha, who encounters an ogre known as Sticky-hair (According to my Joseph Campbell “Hero with a Thousand Faces”). The lessons of these myths are many, but clearly they teach that when one is trapped, it does no good to continue to flail until one is further ensnared. The only way out is to let go.

Fight another day on another topic

BB Key

Boris, I actually think Rush did it as a tibute to Andrew
Thanks for the link, Walt

Danube of Thought

He usually finds a way to make the other side hurt worse.

His stupid remark about Donovan McNabb got him fired. (Rush, not McNabb.)

Pasadena Phil

While the "polite society" that insists on policing the dull and ineffective "conservative" blogosphere "private debate club" tut-tuts Rush for being rude, Rush takes the issue by the throat and brings it to the fore.

A couple of days ago, everyone across the political spectrum was eulogizing Breitbart with Republican and conservative pundits and bloggers calling for "an army of Breitbarts" to serve as his legacy. Okay then! Where is that army? Apparently his legacy will be buried with him. Talk is cheap and that is all most of the conservative blogosphere ever offers.

Breitbart was an "in your face" "go to hell" fighter who got his facts straight, pushed ahead relentlessly and gloried in being attacked viciously by the left. It's how he defined victory. Why is Rush being universally attacked for doing the same thing?

Too much of the "conservative" blogosphere is like Obama, quick to apologize to the enemy for faux offenses. If the truth is offensive, so be it. It's called shaming the shameful.

Good for you Rush. Keep at it. The "army of Breitbarts" so far consists of one. Breitbart will become like Reagan in that everyone will claim to be embracing his legacy while doing the exact opposite. The "Breitbart Rule" will soon be added to "the Reagan Rule", the Goldwater Rule" and the rest of the RINO rules that are used to silence conservatives but never seem to apply to RINOs.

We didn't storm the beaches of Normandy looking over our shoulders for the police ready to blow the whistle on our "rudeness". If this is the most important election ever, we need to see more rudeness and hear more "go to hell" reactions every time the left demands an apology for another faux outrage. That "go to hell" attitude is what defined Breitbart. We should embrace it rather than be such saps in apologizing on demand. Being a movement conservative is about doing, not talking.

Ben Franklin

"Really, how many people?"

You do the math.....


Ben Franklin


I thought WWAD was for Alinsky.


From your link, Dana:

The federal birth control rule is not a major 2012 election campaign theme for voters, however, at least not yet. Fewer than 1 percent of respondents mentioned women's health or birth control as top election year issues.

I ask again. How many people are changing their votes from R to D because of what Rush said?


((What about their rights?))

I've often wondered that exact same thing about the "right" to marry (instead of it being a privilege). If someone can't find a spouse, can they demand one be provided by the state because their right is being violated? :) then again, if they cloned A. Wiener as the entitlement package, a lot of women would forfeit their right.


What Pasadena Phil said.

Breitbart would never in a million years have ceded ground to the handwringers over this.

Danube of Thought

...essentially says she must be paid to have sex

Nonsense. She essentially says no such thing. She is not asking for payment in return for sex. She is asking for others to bear the cost of her contraception.

What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute.

I say that that is not simply asking a question, it is asking it and answering it. And the answer is incorrect.


She picked the fight. She picked up the phone to call Limbaugh and bait him, and now she's the victim. Welcome to Democrat politics 101.


--His stupid remark about Donovan McNabb got him fired. (Rush, not McNabb.)-

Upsetting the simpletons at ESPN HQ does not seem a very useful proxy for public reaction in the political arena.


for Alinksky it's WWLD?

Danube of Thought

Why is Rush being universally attacked for doing the same thing?

Well, as we can see from some of the comments here, the attacks are not universal. But in any event he's not doing the same thing Breitbart did; he is unfairly and falsely calling a woman a slut and a prostitute.

Ben Franklin

"I ask again. How many people are changing their votes from R to D because of what Rush said?"

If I told you, I would have to include tonight's lottery numbers, and you would have to share with me 50/50.

Danube of Thought

*without* making any contribution

Jack is Back!

Everyone who fishes in the Northeast will recognize this.

A Fluke:


A study in contrasts, a great man, James Q. Wilson passes away, a gentleman, sailor and scholar then a foolish little woman, the Pegster, illustrates unintentionally the idiocy that kept Breitbart up,


So what are you doing Phil?


The results linked by Dana was "of 1,519 adults was conducted between Feb. 13 and Feb. 18. The margin of error is +/- 3 percentage points."

Somehow I do not find this useful information for assessing how Rush's remarks or the Mandate in general will affect the election.

Ben Franklin

"Reuters) - Nearly two-thirds of Americans favor President Barack Obama's policy requiring birth control coverage for female employees, including clear majorities of Roman Catholic, Protestant evangelical and independent voters, a poll showed on Thursday."

This is the real issue, we're talking about. Or don't I understand the veil you're throwing over it?


Again, Ben/Dana - you are sighting a poll of adults from 2 weeks ago. When you have current data from likely voters I'd be happy to give due consideration to whether or not you have an argument with any substance.


"unfairly and falsely calling a woman a slut and a prostitute"

No Mr Quibbles. Asking "What does that make her?" and suggesting a multiple choice answer is not calling her anything.

You are being unfair and false.


sighting = citing

Danube of Thought

Who is the Pegster?


But, that's just the point: it's free. Free pills, free IUD's, free extra large Trojans.

Gmax, cheer us up.

Old Lurker

Gotta tell you that women ranging from 20 somethings like my daughters to my wife and her friends, none of whom care for Rush at all, think he was dead right in raising that girl to ridicule. They were shocked that some people really think we should pay for other people to have sex and are brazen enough to go on TV demanding it. I welcomed them to the reality of the sense of entitlement that is ruining our country, and asked them where they have been while this was happening.

This is the same sort of focusing issue that reveals the rot much as the House Bank scandal was a generation ago.

He served it up on a silver platter and the Reps were too timid to realize it.

Danube of Thought

Nearly two-thirds of Americans favor President Barack Obama's policy requiring birth control coverage for female employees

It would be useful to know what the responses would be if the issue were framed as "Barack Obama's policy requiring birth control coverage for female employees, even if the provider rejects contraception as a matter of religious belief and conscience."

Old Lurker

Noonan, DoT

Danube of Thought

Asking "What does that make her?" and suggesting a multiple choice answer is not calling her anything.

Bullshit. It didn't "suggest" a multiple choice answer, it gave two answers: a slut and a prostitute.


"Barack Obama's policy compelling American workers to pay for birth control coverage for female employees, even if (1) the paying employee is a man (2) the female does not want the coverage, (3) either the employee, the employer or the provider rejects contraception as a matter of religious belief and conscience."


This conversation is becoming such that I have to either go look for and post a pick-me-up or go do something useful.
Today I opt for useful.


it's very confusing, do they want big government in or out of the bedrooms of the nation?

You see, if the government doesn't mandate contraception coverage, it is by default interfering in Ms. Fluke's sex life by making it more costly. Get it now?


jane-As you might imagine this triggered quite an interesting discussion with read last night. She told me that her high school clinic refused to provide condoms for students but that it was the norm elsewhere. I don't know when I have been more shocked but that her classmates honestly thought the high school should provide condoms on request.

So we have that generation, not everybody but far more widespread than I would ever have guessed, that accepts promiscuous sex as a matter of fact. And thinks someone should provide free means for avoiding pregnancies.

No good will come of this indeed.

Jack is Back!

A joke:

Mark was walking down the street when he was accosted by a particularly dirty and shabby-looking homeless man who asked him for a couple of dollars for dinner.

Mark took out his wallet, extracted ten dollars and asked, "If I give you this money, will you buy some beer with it instead of dinner?"

"No, I had to stop drinking years ago," the homeless man replied.

"Will you use it to go fishing instead of buying food?" Mark asked.

"No, I don't waste time fishing," the homeless man said. "I need to spend all my time trying to stay alive."

"Will you spend this on decoys for duck hunting instead of food?" Mark asked.

"Are you NUTS!" replied the homeless man. "I haven't hunted in 20 years!"

"Well," said Mark, "I'm not going to give you money. Instead, I'm going to take you home for a shower and a terrific dinner cooked by my wife, Karen."

The homeless man was astounded. "Won't your wife be furious with you for doing that?

Mark replied, "That's okay. It's important for Karen to see what a man looks like after he has given up drinking, fishing and hunting."


He served it up on a silver platter and the Reps were too timid to realize it.

Amen, OL!!!

Ben Franklin

The Kaiser poll was done March 1----


They are creating an incentive system, a nudge
in Susstein's words, for the behavior they want, just like with other aspects, they discourage the behavior they don't want, whether marriage or energy production


" Well what about the kids who want to have sex but can't find anyone to have it with? What about their rights?"

I think I may have a civil rights case here for you Jane.


$1000.00 buys 62, 36 count boxes of Trojans at Target at $16.00 per box. That's 2,232 condoms. She's having sex 6 times a day and 7 on weekends, twelve months a year! When does she find time to study?


The Kaiser poll was done March

Sigh. I half expected you'd come back w/ that.

The stories about the poll were published March 1. The survey they are reporting on was conducted between Feb 13-18.

This is a common occurence, and another demonstration of why it matters HOW the media selects what information to include/exclude. The stories did not provide a link to the Kaiser poll itself, nor did they include currency of the data. Why didn't they? I had to google around to find it, but I did find it - LUN

Even Kaiser dates the story as Mar 1, and relegates the not insignificant fact that the data is weeks old to the last paragraph.


More moral confusion, and self-important and cowardly mincing out of the "Creek of Obtuseness" and his amen corner I see.

Here is a hint: That is not a river, and the fluid within it is not water. Best that yonder you go a have a look, or rather, a sniff. It is quite another substance altogether.

Rush was right. If the so-called "Catholic Law school" had any stones they would dismiss her at once. Once upon a time when they were actually a Catholic institution with a Catholic mission they would have done so.

To hold that abortion is an assertion of "freedom" is to depart completely from any considered and civilized notions of what "rights" and "freedoms" actually are. One expects, one demands better from an institution such as Georgetown.

Georgetown should be ashamed of itself. All Catholics should be up in arms at its behavior, and the perverted and warped goals that Georgetown has set before itself.

RL in fact did not go far enough in his characterization. She properly should be additionally denounced as a liar, a hypocrite, an opportunist, an apostate and a political operative. She is also a spoiled brat. She is hideous to behold--the very face of feminism.

The sheer decadence of it: A randy, addled, dishonest, self-adsorbed, self-indulged feminist nincompoop and would be "Lawyer" flouting her sexual immorality--and that is just what it is, sexual immorality--as somehow some mantle of high moral conduct, a conduct which is "threatened" by the very idea that she should at the very least bear the cost of it herself.

On top of this she wittingly or unwittingly is being used as a pawn to distract "the people" from the brutal assault on their pocket books, moral and social beliefs, faith,liberties, institutions and their very civilization by the most vile and traitorous people in the nation.

That this person was even brought before the congress to engage in this gross and degrading agi-prop shows how immoral this country and its federal legislature have become. That the POTUS felt it politically expedient and desirable to call her up and commiserate with her shows that we as a nation are not just degraded and confused but wildly morally depraved. Can you imagine this sort of spewing out of a Georgetown student even 30 years ago?

That pipsqueaks like DoT think that this enables them to indulge in such bizarrely self-important behavior as deploring someone like Rush, who is after all telling the truth, shows just how mindlessly unexamined are the "beliefs" of some of the so called "conservatives" on JOM.

It is bizarre and, in the end, morally corrupt to assert that by stating the truth we "open ourselves up to attacks" and therefore we should deplore and despise those who would state the truth. Of course, the whole point of this sort of nonsense is to blunt opposition by having them think twice about uttering what is obviously and simply true. If telling the truth is "assaulting the freedom of women", then, by all means, let the assaults begin. If we lose the election because of it, then there is little left of value to honorably win.

America is never served by the suppression of truth in the face of Marxist and Democrat propaganda, agi-prop and direct action political fronts and machines. No, not ever served. It does not matter what parts these all hail from, and that includes Georgetown University, The Congress or that pack of narcissistic, spoiled and lecherous brats we call "feminists".

To the contrary, to even suggest such a notion is harmful to America, but in the loony, upside down pea-brained world of people like DoT this sort on nonsense is seen as the most shrewd and insightful political sagacity.

We are in the pickle we are in just because of the sniveling cowardice and moral confusion of people like DoT.

I do suspect. however, that both his anguish and the purported reasons for it are all dodges and lies.

DoT just does not like Rush because he has done something other with his life than gaze at his navel and then congratulate himself for it. Rush actually stands for something other than the self-flattery narcissists suck on in their dark corners.

DoT (and his fellow travelers) should be ashamed, but the very notion of it is beyond him. To truly know shame one has to know God, and in the inferiority of his incredulity DoT here too thinks he is superior. Too funny.

It is all of a piece. He should really be a Democrat, and no doubt if he could find a way to get on their gravy train would be one.

These are altogether the squalid furnishings of a shallow and immature mind.

Ben Franklin

"Even Kaiser dates the story as Mar 1"

So they buried the lede? I guess they will make some commission off the top.

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