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March 09, 2012

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Boatbuilder

O'Brien's quite evident panic was based on the fear that people might finally start asking "Who is this guy, really?" and actally take a real look at his past. She knows exactly who he is, and where he comes from. The MSM has (quite successfully) marketed him as the great racial peacemaker, when he is anything but. She knows the facade is vulnerable.

Porchlight

It's not an "Instalaunch" as some folks sometimes say.

I think "Instalaunch" refers more to the careers of bloggers being launched by Insty's having linked to them. McArdle and Althouse come to mind...there have been many others in the past.

Ignatz

--This doesn't prove any points for Pollak. He is the only one who used the term "white supremacy".--

Isn't that rather the point?
Soledad and the even more mindless dolts questioning Pollak insisted it had nothing to do with the idea that white's have arranged society to provide them with supremacy no matter what blacks do, something that CRT explicitly holds.

Jeffersonian

The irony is that, if post-modernists are right and it's all a matter of power and who has it, there is nothing inherently wrong in whitey keeping the blank man down with the law because, tables turned, blacks would do the same thing to whites if they could.

Ignatz

But Jeffersonian, doesn't post modernism not even grant minorities the dignity of being equally venal as whites by resurrecting the racism of the "noble savage" theme and infusing it into their calculations?

Beldar

Another data point, which I'd tend to rate as another score for Pollak:

Even trickier, Mr. Obama was the most prominent minority student on a campus shaken by racial politics. A group agitating for greater faculty diversity occupied the dean’s office and sued the school for discrimination; Derrick Bell, a black law professor, resigned over the issue.

The law review struggled to decide whether affirmative action should factor into the selection of editors, and how much voice to give to critical race theorists, who argued that the legal system was inherently biased against minorities. That drew the ridicule of conservative students.

And it left the new president with a difficult choice. If he failed to use his office to criticize Harvard, Mr. Obama would anger black and liberal students; by speaking out, he would risk dragging himself and the review into the center of shrill debates.

People had a way of hearing what they wanted in Mr. Obama’s words. Earlier, after a long, tortured discussion about whether it was better to be called “black” or “African-American,” Mr. Obama dismissed the question, saying semantics did not matter as much as real-life issues, recalled Cassandra Butts, still a close friend. According to Mr. Ogletree, students on each side of the debate thought he was endorsing their side. “Everyone was nodding, Oh, he agrees with me,” he said.

As the president of the review, Mr. Obama once again walked a delicate line. He served on the board of the Black Law Students Association, often speaking passionately about the tempest of the week, but in a way that white classmates say made them feel reassured rather than defensive. He distanced himself from bombast; he did a mischievous impersonation of the Rev. Jesse Jackson when he came to speak on campus, recalled Franklin Amanat, now a federal prosecutor in Brooklyn. Mr. Obama’s boldest moment came at a rally for faculty diversity, where he compared Professor Bell to Rosa Parks.

— Jodi Kantor, In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice," New York Times, January 28, 2007 (emphasis added).

As a lawyer and sometimes-legal scholar who has actually known the phrase "critical race theory" since at least the late 1970s and who's never been under the impression that it had something to do with NASCAR, I can confirm that Pollak is basically correct about that doctrine in general and about the late Prof. Bell in particular.

I am far from convinced, however, that this is any sort of bombshell, and won't be unless and until something far more substantial than this video can tie Obama to either Bell or critical race theory. I leave open the possibility that it was deliberately chosen to begin a steady drip of new videos between now and election day precisely because it was the least impressive piece of video evidence in the Breitbart arsenal. By itself, however, it is very weak sauce in my opinion -- even as compared to what was well known in the conservative blogosphere about the likes of Wright, Rezko, and that twisted dollop of evil scum, Bill Ayers. Given that we now actually have three-plus years of abysmal performance in office to point to instead, I can't see how this kind of video is going to change any votes in November.

NK

MelR-- thanks for the Harry Wendelstedt info. Another part of my childhood gone.

Gus

Hunter Wendelstadts Dad. RIP.

Barbara
TM, that was a tour de force. Chubby @ 10:07 am

Excellent, TM. Thank you.

David

How the Republican party views racism:

1. The primary victims of racism are white people.

2. The most vicious form of racism is when a white person is falsely accused of being a racist.

3. On rare occasions, a black person can be a victim of racism, but this only occurs when a prominent black conservative is criticized for, well, for pretty much anything. In that case, the criticism can only be motivated by the racism that liberals feel in their hearts, unlike conservatives, who all believe in the equality of all people.

Appalled

Porchlihght:

One war, many fronts, many weapons, many soldiers.

Limited attention span of voters. Hostile media.

The issue is not that Obama was a college radical. Lots of people think of themselves as having been young and irresponsible in college. The issue that Obama's policies directly hinder the economy.

The best the Breitbart stufff is going to do is tie Obama to some collegiate stupidity. That's a page 6 story that amuses folks who are not going to vote for him and, unlike me, did not vote for him in 2008. It's a worthwhile story for a blog site, but, to this point, it has not been a big whooping deal, and I do not see the hook that makes it so. (Now, if you can find him saying "Bomb whitey", this changes.

Rocco

I am far from convinced, however, that this is any sort of bombshell, and won't be unless and until something far more substantial than this video can tie Obama to either Bell or critical race theory.

Well, according to Charles Johnson, he taught it to his students at the University of Chicago Law School.

Obama routinely assigned works by Bell as required reading, including Bell's racialist interpretations of seminal civil rights laws and cases. No other scholar’s work appears as often in the syllabus as Bell’s does.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/08/obama-made-bell-required-reading-chicago

Clarice

Beldar, we fighting for the muddle and they do not know what you do about CRT.If they thought the cool post racial genius they thought they were voting for embraced and later taught CRT at Chicago and knew in fact what it was and its full implications, I doubt they'd continue to hold the same views o him today that they did now.

Chubby

another of his big scores was distancing CRT from MLK

Clarice

The good thing about an instalanche is that thousands more come to your site, The bad thing is that in those thousands are a lot of dopes.

Sue

Beldar,

Welcome and thanks for your insight.

I too hope Breitbart had/has more tapes and this is the least of them.

Appalled

And before someone mentions this is Harvard Law, in the view of the underinformed who tend to swing elections, graduate school is a continuation of the party.

Boatbuilder

So GWB's DUI 30 years earlier was a big deal to the MSM on the eve of the 2000 election, and the history ("fake but accurate") of his service with TANG in the 70's was important enough for 60 Minutes to implode over, and his grades at Yale were the subject of significant media and critical attention, but who the guys were who taught our constitutional law scholar, and the doctrines he subscribed to while polishing his one major credential--President of the Harvard Law Review--are out of bounds, irrelevant, a distraction and bad for Rebublicans to even pay any attention to.
Got it.

Clarice

Appalled, if you think Obama's views on CRT do not inform his views on other things you have not been listening to him carefully or watching what he and his DoJ are doing.

Sue

Bell remained friends with Obama. This wasn't just a relationship he had 20 years ago.

And, one thing pointed out on Hannity by the Breitbart bunch, this video shows Obama engaged, and he can't say he didn't hear what Rev. Wright said, he can't say Bell is just a guy in his neighborhood. This is Obama asking people to open their hearts and minds to the message Bell is going to deliver.

Chubby

((How the Republican party views racism: ... ))

not exactly. it is how a sophomoric, shallow, superficial, juvenile idiot views how the Republican party views racism

matt

CRT, along with the philosophy of Herbert Marcuse and the philology of Jackie Derrida (look it up) is a part of the toxic stew that is modern mainstream thinking.

It is all seen through the prism of race or background or class. There is no longer an objective truth, only subjective versions a la' Kurosawa's Rashomon, which was big in the art houses in the early 50's.

Since these were second class thinkers anyway, I would posit that they took Kurosawa's ambivalence about Japan's postwar guilt to build their castles in the air.

Today, the hideous mix of progressivism, marxism, libertinism, and good old fashioned American do-goodism and the old I'm always right has blurred the mainstream's thinking like some very strong weed.

They have take MLK's content of their character into reparations for just about everything including disabled ramp access, reckless borrowing, and birth control access. Welcome to the Brave New World.

Jane

Appalled, if you think Obama's views on CRT do not inform his views on other things you have not been listening to him carefully or watching what he and his DoJ are doing.

It would be very interesting to tie all of Holder's decisions starting with the black panthers to CRT. It would certainly implicate Obama who we know is undoubtedly calling the shots. And then people would understand that this is the approach of the entire administration and where they are trying to take America.

That should resonate.

Porchlight

Limited attention span of voters. Hostile media.

Says the Obama voter.

Whatever. Let's give up now; it's obviously hopeless given the limited attention span of voters and the hostile media.

Gus

a thought.

I thought Soletrain O'Brien was a newsperson, and not a columnist.

Threadkiller

That depends on who's column she is sitting on, Gus.

Mart the Writer

The Liberals I know take great pride in constantly asserting their intellectual superiority over anyone to the right of their thinking. I think one only has to listen to the rather ridiculous statements which flow with regularity from the mouths (or the pens) of the media to realize how absurb this contention of theirs is. If that's not enough proof, throw in what spouts from the tongues of Liberal Democratic congresswomen - like Maxine Water and Debbie Wasserman-Schulz - and it's soon readily apparent that rank stupidty is a hallmark of today's Liberals and Democrats. And little encounters like the one descrived above by Soledad O'Brien only reinforce this appearance of ignorance.

Beldar

Clarice, we don't NEED to show what Obama said on the Harvard campus in 1992, or what he assigned to seminar students at Chicago Law in the 1990s, to show that Obama would be a disastrous president for the next four years.

If we want to talk about Obama and race relations, let's point to what his Justice Department has done in the last three years. That's thousands of times more relevant, doesn't require any inference or speculation, doesn't depend on anyone's credibility, and might actually change some votes.

But as important as Obama's twisted views on race may be, race relations barely makes the second ten of my top 20 most important issues for 2012. Can we make this election about the economy and about the coming Holocaust in the Middle East from Iran's bomb? Because those things are vastly, vastly more important.

This kind of stuff has already persuaded everyone who's capable of being persuaded by it. That wasn't enough in 2008. Let's not do Obama the favor of taking the focus off his incredibly bad performance since January 2009 in the job he's trying to keep.

Appalled

Clarice:

The poit is not whether I think Obama was a radical in school, or its influence on his viewpoint. The point is whether this is somthing that can convince terribly many people in an election.

I've been sold on the idea that Obama is a prisoner of his school days since his actions when Honduras overthrew its Hugo Chavez clone. He sounded just like all the college lefties I knew blathering about El Salvador. (Obama and I are the same age, and went to similar schools)

But this point does not sell. It just does not. Because the voters you want have too many wild college/grad school memories of their own.

Porchlight

There is no longer an objective truth, only subjective versions a la' Kurosawa's Rashomon, which was big in the art houses in the early 50's.

Well, to be fair to Kurosawa, before there was Rashomon, there was Citizen Kane, and before there was Citizen Kane, there was The Sound And The Fury, and before that - way before that - there were the Gospels.

I know I'm missing some other important ones.

Multiple subjective accounts of the same set of events, or multiple views of the same man, is an old, old literary trope. It doesn't mean there isn't an objective truth, just that there are multiple ways of arriving at it - or failing to arrive at it. Truth exists, but because we are human and fallen, it is difficult to perceive.

NotSara

But will we do that, Jane? Remains to be seen. You know we have Romney's saying that he will not say outrageous things about Obama.

jimmyk

Bell remained friends with Obama. This wasn't just a relationship he had 20 years ago.

I have friends with whom I disagree on political issues. Obama's actions speak for themselves. If the MSM is the target, let's go for it, but let's not get our hopes up that this will damage Obama. We'll see what else there is.

Threadkiller

OT, I have just met my first JoMer face to face. DoT is such an enjoyable person. I promised not to tell his true opinion of the natural born quagmire.

Truthfully, this site has a very high caliber of posters, and DoT did not disappoint. It was a real pleasure.

Chubby

Jane's post hits the mark imo.

wrap it all up into a nice unified package with a bow on top

Ignatz

--Posted by: David | March 09, 2012 at 03:29 PM--

Coming out of the turn it's David by a nose with three strawmen in one short comment. And down the stretch he's pulling away unless btomdarga catches his second wind.

Porchlight

This is not so much about Obama's radicalism as it is about the media who deliberately hid it from voters.

They actively protected and lied for him in 2008. They continue to do it today.

Why shouldn't this be pointed out over and over and over again? Along with many, many other bad things about him and his administration and his policies?

Ignatz

--There is no longer an objective truth, only subjective versions a la' Kurosawa's Rashomon, which was big in the art houses in the early 50's.--

Seems like I just read recently that Kurosawa never intended it to be interpreted that way, but can't remember where.

Sue

I'm pretty sure we don't need any more evidence on MSM bias and I sure don't think there will be tape evidence of Obama that will damage him. If his record doesn't do him in, nothing will.

NotSara

Porch, you can point all of that out over and over, and it won't change anyone's minds. I agree with Beldar--concentrate on Obama's miserable performance and the hell breaking out in the Middle East.

rse

matt-

Jacques Derrida did tremendous damage. For those of you who do not know of him Stephen Hicks has a series of lectures on the Philosophy of Education. The lecture on the Postmodernists I believe is the one that includes Derrida. Worth an hour if it's an area of interest.

Derrida always wrote that words had no real known meaning. The indeterminacy of language for reasons I have already explained in what I wrote. The interesting thing is his buddy Paul deMan got caught having lied about being a Nazi sympathizer.

When Derrida wanted to defend him he wrote a disingenuous but strong defense. His words had a fixed meaning he wanted to communicate to his readers. All the word games disappeared when he felt HE needed to communicate something precisely.

Sue

However, it never hurts to point out how they replayed over and over a speech Santorum gave where he discussed satan. Scary stuff right there...

Appalled

Ignatz:

Once a work of art is created, it is common property and what the author intended is meaningless, since the art is the property of the commons...If it were otherwise, so many PhDs would be rendered...meaningless.

NotSara

Beldar, I used to read your blog some time ago, and then it vanished, I think. I loved reading it and am sorry you no longer write a blog. Am delighted to be able to read you again.

glenda

..All of his supplicant media, political cronies, pay to play associates are now reveling in his great insight, depth of substance, as a student/community organizer...If these tapes and glowing recollections of onlookers, only cede his greatness...then,why didn't they speak of it in 2008? Yea, it means nothing..Sarc...

Clarice

In the abstract I might agree with you Beldar, and were I a candidate that's what I'd focus on for the most part. But we need to educate the muddle about postmodernism, it's role n the ongoing culture wars and where better to start with an audience so dumb you must personalize everything?

Rocco

Can we make this election about the economy and about the coming Holocaust in the Middle East from Iran's bomb?

Would Bells' antisemitic teachings influence the POTUS in regards to the ME? Isn't it worth exploring?

Ignatz

Greek default is now officially a 'credit event' triggering CDS payoffs.

jimmyk

Seems like I just read recently that Kurosawa never intended it to be interpreted that way, but can't remember where.

Kurosawa on Rashomon:

Human beings are unable to be honest with themselves about themselves. They cannot talk about themselves without embellishing. This script portrays such human beings–the kind who cannot survive without lies to make them feel they are better people than they really are. It even shows this sinful need for flattering falsehood going beyond the grave—even the character who dies cannot give up his lies when he speaks to the living through a medium. Egoism is a sin the human being carries with him from birth; it is the most difficult to redeem.

Not that there aren't other legitimate interpretations, as appalled points out. But I find Kurosawa's more compelling. Dare I say it helps explain some on the left?

Ignatz

--Beldar, I used to read your blog some time ago, and then it vanished, I think.--

NotSara,
I was just reading it last week here.

Chubby

Do we all have to be talking about the same thing? Bush's successful campaign against Kerry was fought on two levels, and Bush distanced himself from the swiftboating, but there is little doubt that helped him win the election.

Ignatz

Thanks jimmyk.

Porchlight

Porch, you can point all of that out over and over, and it won't change anyone's minds. I agree with Beldar--concentrate on Obama's miserable performance and the hell breaking out in the Middle East.

The MSM tells middle of the road voters every day that Obama's performance has been awesome. They don't care about the Middle East and his multiple blunders there haven't moved the needle in three years.

Good luck.

Sue

Romney asks Randy Owen to sing Sweet Home Alabama. Randy sings it. That is a Lynyrd Skinner song, not the group Alabama. ::sigh:: Oh well, at least Romney tries.

Sue

Good grief, I typed Skynyrd. I guess it auto-corrected.

Ignatz

--If it were otherwise, so many PhDs would be rendered...meaningless.--

Heh. Appalled, you mean manifestly meaningless I presume rather than tacitly meaningless as it is now.

Dhinger McGee

Nothing to see here and if there is......look, a squirrel.

NotSara

So, Porch, I guess what you are saying is expose the media bias of the MSM, and that will do it? I think the average voter could care less about the bias of the media.

Clarice

Obama Looks to Keep Liberals in Line on Health Law Ahead of Supreme Court Hearings
“On Wednesday, White House officials summoned dozens of leaders of nonprofit organizations that strongly back the health law to help them coordinate plans for a prayer vigil, press conferences and other events outside the court when justices hear arguments for three days beginning March 26.”
-- New York Times reporter Robert Pear writing in today’s paper: “White House Works to Shape Debate Over Health Law.”


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/09/obama-looks-to-keep-liberals-in-line-on-health-law-ahead-supreme-court-hearings/#ixzz1oenx6gah

cathyf

Kind of a digression, maybe interesting to more than me, on the topic of CRT as applied to Asians...

Back when Berkeley had racial quotas, the math of how it actually worked was explained to me like this:

-- the admissions officers would take a few of the slots that should have gone to whites and gave them to hispanics who were not quite as well qualified; and

-- the admission officers would take half of the Asians who should have gotten in, reject them and give their slots to blacks.

The Asians who got rejected were more qualified than most of the blacks who were admitted, and many of the whites and hispanics who were admitted, too.

(This is why Stanford and Caltech are disproportionately Asian.)

NotSara

Thaks, Iggie for the Beldar link.

Swiftvoters this year.  Ooh, can I vote already?

Hiya Beldar. Kerry's lies about his past were very effectively used against him in '04, and I expect Obama's lies about his past will be effectively used in '12. Look upon it as frosting on a fallen angel cake.
================

Porchlight

So, Porch, I guess what you are saying is expose the media bias of the MSM, and that will do it? I think the average voter could care less about the bias of the media.

No, I never said that would be all that was needed. But I see no reason not to pursue the media along with all the other stuff. I think I've been saying that all along.

That's why I get so frustrated with people saying "oh that video is going to do nothing." Of course on its own it's going to do nothing. As part of a broader strategy, and many more such videos, it might *help* do *something.*

Chubby's comment upthread about the Swiftees makes a great point.

Let's do all of it.

But let's not forget that the media is the key. Without the media he would never have been elected. Without the media he will never be re-elected. At minimum, you need a savvy strategy to get airtime. I think Soledad O'Brien sputtering with hate and ignorance is a nice 'in.'

NotSara

Well, Clarice, that is what a community organizer does best. Gather the people, whip them into a frenzy and affect the outcome through emotional appeal

centralcal

Sorry, Clarice, but I have to roll my eyes at lefties and prayer vigil in the same sentence.

Ignatz

The New Republic was bought by that Facebook geek who helped out Barry with his campaign flim flam job in 08.
Wonder it they'll start towing the Barry party line on Israel now?

AliceH

Frankly, I don't understand the 'this is a distraction, we need to all focus on that' approach.

Why should I buy into a one-message-all-the-time strategy when the various supporters of that tactic don't even agree on what that one-message is supposed to be?

It seems, um, snobbish? short-sighted? tunnel-vision?, for one group of people to go around telling a second group of people that a THIRD group of people not currently involved in the conversation aren't going to be swayed by what the second group is talking about.

NotSara

Roll your eyes all you want, cc, they will have poor people there telling their horror stories re not having health insurance, and will, I think, be effective--maybe not with the Supreme Court outcome but with the "Average Joe" who wants a government handout.

NotSara

AliceH, I did not mean one message all the time, but I do think nothing is going to really expose the bias of the MSM, at least not to the muddle.

Porchlight

Yes, thank you, AliceH.

matt

As a huge Kurosawa fan, the take was that his goal with Rashomon was to reflect the dissonance of the postwar Japanese soul and its attempt to deal with the causes and consequences of the war. Of course it could all be BS as Kurosawa was pretty hard to pin down, a trait that is very Japanese.

Just posted on Judging a man by the company he keeps. Aesop was a pretty smart dude. LUN

Frau die Errinerung

"...remember I'm staying out of the kerfuffle of whether BFF is Professor Ward...

Where were you when Cleo gave his email address 2X n one day as "danagilbertward@..."
Was that just another little joke from the troll-who-should-not-be-named?

centralcal

Gotta chuckle at this comment thread. Hardly "average" one-size-fits-all views here on a variety of subjects, yet we are to believe out there in the wide blue yonder there are hordes of these "average voters" all focused like laser beams in complete agreement with "the message" - except we can't come to agreement here what the message is.

NK

Matt-- love Kurosawa, although like any normal Gaijin, whe I watch his 'artistic' stuff, I scratch my head and say "WHAT!"

Threadkiller

Obama's apologies documented on the house floor:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/erikajohnsen/2012/03/09/video_rep_gohmert_on_obamas_apology_tour_with_visual_aids

Hahahahahaha!

Jim Ryan

Derrida always wrote that words had no real known meaning.

Yes, and he thereby won the "Most Incoherent Philosophical Thesis of the first 100 Millennia of Philosophy" award early. "This was a no-brainer," commented one of the judges.

theBuckWheat

"So her statement about critical race theory - “There is no white supremacy in that" - is either woefully misinformed or a lie. "

Liberals cannot bring themselves to as "transparent" as they demand the rest of must be. Recall that he who controls the meaning of words controls the outcome of the debate. Liberals will redefine words in a private way without telling the counter-party of the subtle change. The the liberal will get the counter-party to agree to use this word, thus validating the new private definition without getting informed consent of the counter-party. This is just a fancy form of advancing lies, and I am happy that people who are not on the left are catching on to.

Personally, I must credit Rush Limbaugh for making this so plain that he turned it into a form of entertainment. No wonder the left wants to kill him off as a public voice. And the rest of the nation is catching on too. In deed, this article is based on decoding liberal-speak.

Even the center is waking up. How will the left respond? They will be even more desperate to keep their ball in play. But the jig is up.

centralcal

Oh, I will roll my eyes NotSara - I can just imagine the usual hustlers leading the prayer vigil.

All theater and useless - just the same old protesters that trot out for every liberal hoo-hah (many, paid to do so).

NotSara

Well, cc, I don't consider most of the commenters here average. I was speaking of the vast majority of people who go about their lives paying no attention to media bias and are just struggling to make ends meet. Therefore, it seems the economy should be addressed before the Repubs delve into the bias of the media. Although, I love the video of O'Brien but don't think the "Average Joe, again" will ever see or hear it.

centralcal

RED ALERT!

This thread has made Twitter and is being retweeted as I type.

Battle stations everyone. ha ha ha ha ha

Ranger

It's funny how life works. I've been clearing out a room I use for storage today, and in there are a couple of book shelves with lots of old books from undergrad. What do I see staring me in the face:

White Supremacy: A Comparative Study in American and South African History

George M. Fredrickson

Copyright, 1981, Oxford University Press.

So, I guess the term White Supremacy was floating around in race relations studies back in the 80s when Prof. Bell was working up his CRT stuff. Dare I say it might have even been an important influance on the development of CRT?

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

The bow on this package should be that the media has been screwing the voter and you can't trust them on Obama, on the economy or on anything else they dare opine about.

NotSara

I like that bow, Jane!

Porchlight

I was speaking of the vast majority of people who go about their lives paying no attention to media bias and are just struggling to make ends meet. Therefore, it seems the economy should be addressed before the Repubs delve into the bias of the media.

Not everyone votes according to the state of the economy. Even those who are struggling to make ends meet and might materially benefit quite a bit from some of Obama's policies might decide not to vote for him over something like the contraception mandate.

Just as rich liberals are willing to take a tax hit because Obama is pro-choice and "green."

The weakness of Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter With Kansas?" is that he couldn't possibly understand why all these rural dullards wouldn't vote for Democrats because obviously, Dem policies would help them. Putting aside the problems with that argument, the main thing that Frank missed is that in many cases, social issues mattered more to these voters than their wallet and whatever goodies the Dems might be handing out.

Is there some particular reason we can't have multiple messages?

AliceH

One more comment and I think I'll let it rest.

When I read "the average joe doesn't" and "the muddle won't" as reason why something should not be given so much attention, I can't help but hear it as the same rationalization news editors give for not publishing a story. "Not newsworthy" "Not something our readers are interested in" "not ready for prime time - still going through those layers of fact checkers"....

narciso

I had forgotten about Fredrickson, yes it happens, of course the South African and North American examples are somewhat opposite,
Pollak covered some of this in his book on the Kasril affair, a scandal involving left wing politics, in the post Apartheid era.

centralcal

A very good point, AliceH.

NotSara

AliceH, I am not saying not to do it--I am just saying I don't think it will sway many people's minds and votes.

narciso

Using the flux capacitor, just plays havoc with the timeline, besides Remnick didn't point anything had gone wrong at the time;

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/327368.php

AliceH

NotSara - That's fair. I don't agree, but then we're both only guessing about what may sway, and how many is many, so I'm okay with having different positions on that point.

CC and Porch - thanks.

centralcal

WOO HOO!!! I CREDIT GRETA VAN SUSTEREN FOR THIS:

Comedian Louis C.K. has dropped out of hosting the Radio and Television Correspondents Association dinner, CNN political reporter Peter Hamby Tweeted Friday afternoon. Hamby quoted the comedian’s agent, noting that “He just didn’t want to do it anymore.”
Clarice

Hip Hip Hooray for Greta ! I suppose they'll just call Wanda Sykes now.

Tom Maguire
Focus. Concentrate. Remember that Obama wants you to concentrate on the stupid stuff.

And who better than yours truly? But really, the other point Pollak made (and he was brilliant) was that this is a discussion of our cheerleading media. That might be helpful. Not that we'll keep 'em honest, but maybe we can keep them less dishonest. MAYBE!

NotSara

In the small town where I live, there are many people--both black and white--who are on welfare and have EBT cards (and cellphones!), and they could care less about media bias--they just want the government to provide for them. Also, contraception is not an issue--they will want free pills provided by the government. So, count them out. they are sorta the "Average Joes." I admit there are some evangelical and Catholic Joes who might not like the government saying an institution has to comply with the government edict, but they are "few and far-between."

matt

so, according to Derrida, the darling of the left, the word "slut" is purely subjective.

So what was the big deal about Limbaugh?

One man's slut is another man's bimbo is another man's (or woman's) Georgetown Law Student. Blame it on a huge misunderstanding of Derrida and then stand back and watch their heads explode.

NotSara

BUT, lots of these families have sons or daughters in the military, and I think they are concerned with Obama's horrible foreign policy.

Clarice

Re the prayer vigil--battle stations indeed. Churches and 501(c)(3)'s in political actions, professional operatives posing as men and women on the street. It's google time.

NotSara

Well, yuck, just yuck, Clarice.

narciso

It's interesting that one of Derrida's inspirations was Heidegger who's deconstructionism was real handy to rationalize his 'value free' editorship of Nazi publications, and Sartre, the godfather
to this effort, was a willing collaborator with the Nazis, who dinged Camus, as too much
of 'bitter clinging ' Pied Noir, who didn't get the point.

Porchlight

NotSara,

It doesn't sound like your economy or Middle East arguments will work with your town's Average Joes either, since according to your description they already like the Obama economy and all the free stuff he's giving them.

Can you think of anything else that will sway them?

Porchlight

Oh, sorry, NotSara, I was typing and didn't refresh to see your second comment.

Absolutely hammer on foreign policy.

Hammer on all of it.

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