ABC Has New Photo Of Bloodied Zimmerman

ABC News has what looks like a flash photo of Zimmerman's head reportedly taken immediately after the shooting; it is not for the squeamish:

A new photograph obtained exclusively by ABC News showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman's head, which was apparently taken three minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, gives possible credence to his claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as Zimmerman fought for his life.

The cuts to his head are in the sort of line that might be made by the edge of a sidewalk. Apologies in advance to anyone who just had breakfast - pic.

One infers from ABC that this was not a police photo:

The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible.

The photographer said that after the shooting, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call his wife. When the photographer asked him what to say, Zimmerman blurted out, "Man, just tell her I shot someone."

Investigators have seen the photo.

It's a bit odd - the photo seems posed, which makes one wonder whether Zimmerman was planning ahead to document his situation. A neighbor would have overheard the scuffle.  A responding policeman who had not quite made it to the scene might have overheard part of it.

And any head wound bleeds like crazy, so those cuts might not have been all that impressive after being cleaned up.  OTOH, there they are.

The Zimmerman bond hearing is on now.  The Orlando Sentinel is streaming it.

ABC says we are unlikely to get a sneak peek at the prosecution case:

In a bail hearing in Florida, the burden of proof to deny bail, even in a second-degree murder trial, is higher than needed to seek a conviction in a trial.

"They would have to prove that the presumption of guilt is great, and that the proof is evident," O'Mara said.

In the capias -- similar to a warrant -- filed against Zimmerman last week, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey and her team set bail at "none."

In order to avoid a reduction in bail to a set monetary sum, Corey's team would have to prove its case essentially, something legal experts say is unlikely at this point in the legal process.

Zimmerman attorney O'Mara said he doubts the prosecutor will reveal its case before the trial.

Well, Dale Gilbreath, one of the two investigators who signed the probable cause arrest affidavit, is taking the stand right now...

KIDDING? The voice experts are the Orlando Sentinel, and the FBI has people studying the tapes.  But this is a State investigation and affidavit. I infer the State won't be relying on voice experts to advance their case.

SO WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE? From the CNN live blog, we wonder what the state's case might be:

[Updated at 10:47 a.m. ET] O'Mara is back to questioning state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, one of the investigators in the case.

O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath knows who started the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or had any evidence as to who started the fight. Gilbreath said no.

O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath had any evidence contradicting Zimmerman's statement to Sanford police on the night of the incident that Zimmerman 1) turned toward his car after losing sight of Martin; and 2) that Martin started the fight that led to the shooting. Gilbreath said no.

The state makes a bit of a comeback here:

[Updated at 10:53 a.m. ET] The prosecuting attorney, after saying "I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today," is back to ask questions of state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, after O'Mara asked questions challenging the state's assertions.

The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes.

Who am I going to believe, this investigator or my lying eyes? That said, "any evidence" against Zimmerman's story is pretty broad - maybe there is some evidence supporting his story and some disputing it. Maybe the scuffle started near the sidewalk (hence the seemingly linear cuts) and Zimmerman wriggled to the grass.

Bail is set at $150,000; the state had requested $1 million, the defense $15,000, and the judge went with roughly the geometric mean. From my extensive review of Elmore Leonard novels I would expect a bail bondsman would want ten percent down, which ought to be within reach of Zimmerman's dad (who had offered to take out a second mortgage if necessary.)

Comments

[fdcol63]

Zimmerman's mother's testimony is devastating to the notion that GZ was a hateful racists .... and her Hispanic accent highlights his mixed heritage.

[JeffC]

"It's a bit odd - the photo seems posed, which makes one wonder whether Zimmerman was planning ahead to document his situation."

are you really suggesting he was planning on shooting someone that night ? reall ?

wow, just wow ...

gee, maybe he realized he wanted proof of his injuries ... ask a guy with a camera to take a picture ...

[Clarice]

Jeff, I am pretty sure TM is being sarcastic.

[fdcol63]

" Profiling" - clearly, O'Mara is trying to get the investigator to admit that "racial" profiling was intended.

[Threadkiller]

That might be dawg blood. Maybe the titular father of the deceased will perform a taste test.

[faketony]

If it bleeds, we must concede...
Blood on noggin, plan to deceive?

[Steny C]

"She says her son was a mentor to a child in Orlando. She says he committed to the program for two years. THe program closed after 9 months. But George kept going to Orlando to take care of the two kids he was committed to.

Gladys ZImmerman is describing her son George's work with youth. They are teens. SHe said she told her son not to go because "it's too dangerous." "It's a very dangerous place, where he goes to," in Orlando, she says.

The two kids George mentored were "African-American," Gladys says."

Guardian UK lun

[Chubby]

More upside down: the accompanying ABC story added some sympathy points for Zimmerman, like his having been an altar boy, reading the Bible while in jail, etc. I hope they aren't trying to make out his "depraved mind" to be his Christian faith? Kind of hard to do, when the prosecutor "prayed" with the Martins and Mrs. Martin publically wept, thanking Jesus, for getting Zimmerman charged.

It appears O'Mara is doing an excellent job of advocating for Z as well.

[GMAX]

I am going save bubu some time, here is a shorter and concise bubu. That does not look like blood to me, it looks like that fake blood that you see in those vampire movies. Somebody at the PD...

[Jack is Back!]

O'Mara is "fisking" the affadavit and Dershowitz must be smilng like a Cheshire Cat:)

[Neo]

I thought is interesting that the photo, taken some 3 minutes after the shooting, comes with a story of somebody who saw the fight and can kill those claims that Zimmerman self-inflicted those injuries on himself.

[Jack is Back!]

Its ironic that the GZ/TM case will be decided on the literacy of English language used by the guys who wrote the affadavit.

[Threadkiller]

GMAX, if nothing else bubu may learn how to properly use an ellipsis.

Then again, maybe not...

[jwest]

OMG, are you listening to this “investigator”?

[Threadkiller]

Neo, the witness heard but did not see the fight.

[cboldt]

NEW photo? I say ABC has had this for weeks, and had it at the same time it ran the "no injury" video.

[cboldt]

UK Guardian liveblogging is pretty good. A few zingers in there.

Looking forward to the complete transcript.

[Pofarmer]

"NEW photo? I say ABC has had this for weeks, and had it at the same time it ran the "no injury" video."

IF that is true, and IF it can be proven, the ABC needs it's FCC license revoked. Although, that obviously ain't gonna happen because, well, ya know, they were just advancing the narrative. Gotta wonder how much the DOJ racist squad was involved in all of this.

[Chubby]

does anyone know the name(s) of the person or persons Z specifically at targeted in his SPD protests?

[AliceH]

makes one wonder whether Zimmerman was planning ahead to document his situation

My goodness, isn't it obvious? He asked for the pic to be taken because he wanted to check his wound but he can't see the back of his own head.

[Danube of Thought]

I suppose that if they present this altar-boy, mentor evidence at trial that opens the door for the state tp put in some of the bad stuff from his past.

[Jack is Back!]

GZ is on the stand testifying.

cboldt 1, theo 0

[Enlightened]

Ok - So he photo taker didn't see fit to take one of GZ's face? How about taking a pic of TM on he ground?

Hmmm.

[Danube of Thought]

"So he photo taker didn't see fit to take one of GZ's face? How about taking a pic of TM on he ground?"

We don't know that he didn't, do we?

[Cecil Turner]

Broken nose (medical records)

cboldt +1

[Theo]

Jack --

You could be right about that. O'Mara knows his case better than the rest of us, me included. Maybe GZ has a better story to tell than William Kennedy Smith.

[Steny C]

de la Rionda doesn't like GZ apology but apparently has no problem with his boss praying with the Martins.

[jwest]

Can a judge throw a case out during a bond hearing?

[Cecil Turner]

Questions by O'mara, Det Gilbert answers in parens:

Do you know who started the fight ("no")

Do you have any evidence as to who started the fight ("no")

Do you have any evidence to date, that contradicts either of his statements given before he knew any other evidence that he turned away ("no")

[Enlightened]

Hi DOT - I was being rhetorical - I'm positive there are more pictures.

[jwest]

Loved the questioning about the broken nose.

[Clarice]

Guardian live blog:

10.45am: Gilbreath says he has no evidence that conflicts with Zimmerman's suggestion that he turned away and went back to his car after talking with a 911 operator.

O'Mara is hammering on the paucity of evidence from the crime scene. He asks if there is any evidence that conflicts with the contention that "Mr. Martin assaulted first"?

Gilbreath mentions that one figure was chasing the other.

Now de la Rionda stands up.

"I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today."

O'Mara highlighted moments from Zimmerman's statement that would seem to exculpate him.

De La Rionda is digging into the same statement to point out what he calls contradictions. These include the fact that Zimmerman's statement says he was scared, and yet he took off running after Martin.

10.43am: O'Mara: Do you know who started the fight?

Gilbreath: No.

(I see Cecil already posted this but the liveblog is slightly more detailed about the idiocy behind this affidavit.)

[Jack is Back!]

de la Rionda is bit of jerk and is very flippant at times. His argument is that it is for GZ's safety to keep him in jail plus where will he go and stay? Are you kidding me? The State has not made its case as far as I am concerned.

Free GZ! (Jane can you get bumperstickers printed?:)

[Danube of Thought]

O'Mara implied (while I was watching) that the medical records indicate a broken nose. Was there anything more definitive before that?

[Cecil Turner]

Prosecutor claims more evidence, but apparently doesn't feel the need to produce it.

$150,000 bond. Sounds about right.

No alcohol? If anybody ever needed a drink . . .

[Jack is Back!]

Bond at $150K. GPS tracker. Will not release today but needs to set up a safe approach to the release. No contact with Martins or their lawyer. No firearms etc. No alcohol. Curfew. Advice location every few days. etc. etc.

[Clarice]

Guardian-:
11.06am: O'Mara is now making the broad case for Zimmerman to be able to post bond in the case.

He says Zimmerman has family in the area, has shown himself not to be a flight risk, has employment in the area.

O'Mara is saying the second-degree murder charges are excessive. He asks that that be taken into account.

De la Rionda takes over: "In a way what occurred here was an attempt by the defense counsel to [argue the case].

"...You also have the fact that it is an unarmed 17-year-old boy, who was minding his own business, who wasn't committing a crime. Will [Zimmerman] be a threat to other people?

___So the state's defense to this savaging is we are unprepared to defend the affidavit but the media account of events should prevail over the evidence?

[Cecil Turner]

Was there anything more definitive before that?

No. I'm assuming lying about that would be prohibitively countrproductive, and thus it is as he implied.

[Papa Whskey]

Amendment Eight, US Constitution:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Unless our official suzerains say so.

[AliceH]

If this was a Hollywood movie, we'd "know" Gilbreath was untrustworthy and Z was trustworthy because of the direction they looked up (left and right, respectively) whenever they tried to recall something just before answering. #microexpressionsalltherage

[Danube of Thought]

This judge talks so fast I wonder how the court reporter keeps up.

[Pofarmer]

""...You also have the fact that it is an unarmed 17-year-old boy, who was minding his own business, who wasn't committing a crime. Will [Zimmerman] be a threat to other people?"

It seems to me that the "not committing a crime" part, ends at the point where he struck Zimmerman and jumped on top of him. The rest is just Gratuitous schmuckery.

[Sandy Daze]

ISTM that, if found innocent--which I believe he will be--GZ will need to be placed into a WitSec program, and begin a new life somewhere in Idaho, Wyoming or Alaska. His life in FLA is over.

OS~OMG~ABO,
Sandy

[fdcol63]

It would be nice if Al Sharpton just ... disappeared. Into a WitSec program, a UFO, or whereever.

[Danube of Thought]

The buubmeister will now comment on the broken nose. We are standing by....

[jwest]

Overall impression was that O’Mara and Zimmerman came off as likeable, honest. De la Rionda seemed flustered and unsure.

To the layman, the testimony of the investigator was devastating to prosecution. That he couldn’t definitively point to any evidence and basically just adopted the press story of what happened made it seem like they don’t have a case. The topper was finding out the investigators never asked for Zimmerman’s medical records concerning the broken nose. Unfu@kinbelievable.

[Pofarmer]

It's a political case, jwest. Medical records are inconvenient to the narrative. Just like the "Poor Trayvon wasn't committing any crime bullocks." Well, he was when he punched somebody and jumped on top of them.

[Cecil Turner]

Impressions:

O'Mara was pretty impressive. Zimmerman's statement didn't hurt him, but it was still borderline stupid. (The only good thing from his viewpoint was that it emphasized how small he is.)

Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law are non-events. De la Rionda overplayed it (and generally blustered throughout the hearing).

Don't - ever - talk - to - police.

State has absolutely nothing to counter defense claim that TM was aggressor. They're going to claim internal inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements discredit them, but on the main points, so far, they've got nothing.

Judge is sensible and except for playing a bit to media at beginning, focused and businesslike.

Case should never have seen the inside of a courtroom, and may well be decided at the immunity hearing.

[Caspar Weinburger]

I just watched the streaming video.

O'Mara just bitch slapped the prosecution. He is a good lawyer.

I cannot believe how thin this case is. There best evidence of pursuit:

Gilbreath: "We have a witness statement who observed shadows or figures running by her residence." He says he can't identify who they were.

Unidentifiable shadows. Wow. Just wow.

[Porchlight]

jwest,

After Corey's presser and the release of the affidavit I became convinced that concocted their case from media accounts. Today doesn't change that a bit.

[Theo]

Porch --

Sadly, I think that you are right. If she brought this case solely on the basis of media accounts and Sharpton/Crump pressure, she should be fired. And overcharging on top of that -- well she should be beaten too.

[Jim,MtnViewCA,USA]

The "mocking" of Obama over dogs may have pried open flood gates? I'm getting emails from non-political people.
One has a list of jokes told by late night TV hosts. I don't watch and can't verify the quotes; the list is Leno-heavy but pretty long.

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree...and think 25 to life would be appropriate.
--Jay Leno

America needs ObamaCare like Nancy
Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.
--Jay Leno

Q: Have you heard about McDonalds' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it.
--Conan O'Brien

Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser.
--Jay Leno

Q: What's the difference between
Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers, and threats to society. The other is for housing
Prisoners.
--David Letterman

Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America !
--Jimmy Fallon

Q: What's the difference between
Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers.
--Jimmy Kimmel

Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road.
--David Letterman

[Steve]

"... The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes. ..."

What is the evidence the prosecution has that Martin did not bash Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk?

[Danube of Thought]

Everything will turn on what Z said to the various cops. Unless there are a bunch of crucial contradictions, I really like his chances.

[Clarice]

The investigators are now pinned down under oath as to what evidence the state has and it ain't much, is it?
What's the evidence they are holding close to the vest? DeeDee's account and Mrs. Martin's? Not dispositive or in Dee Dee's case even credible,

[Clarice]

Great stuff,Jim.

[Enlightened]

Well, I would sure like to know how GZ's head wounds happened if his head did not hit concrete or another hard surface.

I'm guessing Corey might not have had ABC's pic before she over-charged.

[DebinNC]

Gilbreath admitted that GZ had two lacerations on the back of his head, and opined they got there via his head hitting something "harder than his head"...O'Mara: "like concrete?" Gilbreath semi-nodding and answering something in the affirmative like "could be".."yeah".. Then I think O'Mara asked him if there was any evidence contradicting GZ's claim that TM bashed his head on the concrete and Gilbreath answered, "No." Incredible. Gilbreath also said there was no evidence GZ wasn't returning to his truck when he met TM last and no evidence re who instigated the fight...beyond GZ's account.

[benquick]

"O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath knows who started the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or had any evidence as to who started the fight. Gilbreath said no."

The only reason this farce is continuing is Corey seems to want to give the Martins what they want - GZ in jail. With no bail, he would have spent a year in jail - probably given time served on a manslaughter conviction.

[Thomas Collins]

Gilbreath's testimony would be consistent with the prosecution arguing that, while M may have been on top of Z and Z's head may have hit the concrete during the struggle, M wasn't bashing Z's head into the concrete. In other words, Gilbreath's answer shouldn't be taken to mean that the prosecution has evidence contradicting the notion that M was on top until Z shot him.

[DebinNC]

Gilbreath also said there one shot, close range, leaving gun powder residue and stippling (sp) on TM. There goes the "GZ fired from a distance" scenario.

[fdcol63]

We also now know there was only 1 shot, and it was at very close range. Powder burns and stipling.

[dublindave]

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

[fdcol63]

Deb ... was posting that at the same time you were, apparently.

[benquick]

Zimmerman attorney O'Mara said he doubts the prosecutor will reveal its case before the trial.

If the State doesn't come up with some kind of case to answer self-defense motion to dismiss, won't an ethical judge have to grant?

[DebinNC]

Great minds think alike :)

[Ignatz]

Countdown to Zimmerman and Martin are both the victims of the white patriarchy in 5...4...3..2...1...

[PDinDetroit]

Today's Proceedings are EXACTLY WHY I was so bothered by the Special Prosecutor's Giddiness at announcing the charges - Convict by the Court of Public Opinion.

Angela Corey should be excoriated.

[Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)]

the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie

So what do "gunpowder burns" look like?

[Danube of Thought]

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

No, DooDah. The photographer applied blood from a cat before snapping the picture. The state will kill him on cross.

[jwest]

I was disappointed in the judge. He should have prepared the public for the eventual dismissal by saying to the prosecutor “The State has a high burden in regards to presenting evidence and you failed to meet that standards, therefore I am releasing Mr. Zimmerman on his own recognizance”.

[Cecil Turner]

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

Yeah, or . . . what if it didn't come from those obvious gashes, but he smeared it from his broken nose? It's a setup!

Okay, fess up DD. You're actually a right-winger impersonating a crazy moonbat to make the brand look bad, right?

[PDinDetroit]

Jane - See picture at LUN.

[derwill]

"Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood"

Hey, guys, DuDa has a point here. It could be blood splatter from M's fatal wound. See, Z could have been lying face forward on the ground, and he could have pulled the gun out and reached back over his shoulder and fired the shot backwards using the eyes he's got in the back of his head. Which you can't see in the photo because they're covered up by St. Trayvon's blood.

[cboldt]

-- After Corey's presser and the release of the affidavit I became convinced that concocted their case from media accounts. --

Which are basically Crump talking. The investigation consisted of interviewing the Martins, DeeDee, Cutcher, maybe other eyewitnesses, and that's all. They never interviewed Zimmerman to try to get him to trip up; or to hear his side.

Absolute, total and complete bias - against the public interest.

[cboldt]

-- I'm guessing Corey might not have had ABC's pic before she over-charged. --

She had the SPD photos, if she wants reliable evidence.

[dublindave]

"No, DooDah. The photographer applied blood from a cat before snapping the picture. The state will kill him on cross."

Remember,Zimmerman found not guilty=proof of widespread institutional and societal racism=widespread anger=political pressure to to introduce gun control laws and maintain affirmative action etc etc etc.

Zimm found guilly=same result.

It's still a win win.

[benquick]

Gilbreath: "We have a witness statement who observed shadows or figures running by her residence." He says he can't identify who they were.

So there is evidence that Trayvon chased down Zimmerman! Seriously, the shadows could have been either one so it just as likely supports Z's story. I also like the assertion that TM was acting perfectly legal (up to the beat down) so Z must have been the attacker. Using the same logic proves TM was the attacker because GZ was perfectly legal as well.

Prosecution keeps bringing up popular media memes that are completely irrelevant to the legal matter - skittles, profiling (perfectly legal for civilians) etc

[cboldt]

Telling to me is that the state did not expect to have to produce or claim any evidence. That's complete BS. They state knows Arthur hearings are in part substantive. The state has to produce evidence that establishes the charge. It gets the benefit of doing this without cross examination of witnesses.

I wonder how the press will play the hearing.

[DebinNC]

I was disappointed in the judge

The judge demolished the "GZ has a violent past" meme. He strikes me as that "reasonable person" the FL statutes keep mentioning.

[Rick Ballard]

cboldt,

Slam dunk for the prosecution - The Shadows Know!.

What a BOzo's breakfast of a case. The prosecution is going to use minute discrepancies between Zimmerman's statement and the "eyeshadow witnesses" accounts. I wonder if Zimmerman gave one of his too many statements to Agent Bond?

[Jim,MtnViewCA,USA]

I'm with CT. DuDa is clearly a false flag operation.
We righties should be ashamed and embarrassed that our allies are putting forth such a shoddy imitation of Prog thinking.
I know I am.

[dublindave]

But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch.

Which would be in line with the EMT's decision that Z needed no follow up treatment and no bandages which is still at odds with Zimmermans account of having his head bashed in so hard against the pavement he began to loose conciousness.

I guess a Jury will sort through that.

[Danube of Thought]

political pressure to to introduce gun control laws and maintain affirmative action etc etc etc.

Let us know when that happens.

[cboldt]

De la Rionda to Gilbreath: "Prior to that confrontation, Mr. Martin was minding his own business, correct?"

O'Mara: Objection your honor -- this is not in evidence.

The objection is sustained.

Just to highlight the state's burden to actually produce evidence. The state is not allowed to charge based on conjecture.

[Jane (Better a crate than a plate)]

Thanks PD, I wonder why "burns" was plural.

Dudu sees success as a handout and the furtherance of the "racist" meme. I predict Dudu, that Americans are sick of a president whose only card is the race card and this case will lead to his losing the election and all the bullshit he's pulled being overturned.

So the win/win will be that your side will see no "progress" in your lifetime.

[henry]

Well ploitical pressure works both ways. The state Department of Justice will print the 100,000th concealed carry license today, just less than six months after the law took effect. CCW classes are still booked solid.

[Clarice]

benquick, The only reason this is continuing is Corey is corrupt and fighting for re-election or a total idiot.

[AliceH]

O'Mara had a very good day.
1) Client granted bail
2) State Investigator on record saying they had no evidence to contradict several key points
3) State Investigator on record saying both Z's wounds not conclusive of sidewalk smashing AND no, didn't ask for or look at actual medical records
4) Public image of Z radically improved - at worst, will dampen the more egregious emotional assaults on any rational assessment of the evidence.

The state, on the other hand.... they'd have been better off not objecting to bail and skipping the hearing (if that was indeed an option they have).

[benquick]

This whole farce boils down to:
The process is the punishment

The legal system is set up to process the 97% of cases that plea out. The prosecution and defense pretty much agree on guilt at the start and are just working out the details. The system chokes when it actually needs to process a real case. The innocent end up suffering almost as much as the guilty.

Given the choice, if I was innocent, i'd choose the medieval trial by ordeal. Faster that a court room trial and about as fair.

[Tom Maguire]

are you really suggesting he was planning on shooting someone that night ? reall ?

wow, just wow ...

Work with me on the timeline here - Zimmerman shots Martin; cops detain Zimmerman at gunpoint; friend photographs Zimmerman wounds.

See, that seems to me that Zimmerman might have been planning his defense, not planning the shooting.

Maybe he was worried the cops would railroad him. Eerily prescient, after the fact.

[cboldt]

-- But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch. --

Shorter DumplinDave, "Everything I know is made up."

[Jane (Better a crate than a plate)]

He strikes me as that "reasonable person" the FL statutes keep mentioning

I agree, and I like that he didn't play to the press.

[dublindave]

"I'm with CT. DuDa is clearly a false flag operation.
We righties should be ashamed and embarrassed that our allies are putting forth such a shoddy imitation of Prog thinking.
I know I am."

Guy,you supported a war that slaughtered 3000 of our finest men and women I would say that your days of potential shame and embarrasement have long passed.

And lo and behold you're now mounting a defence for a child murderer-Why you're just the cream of humanity aren't you?

What i've stated about the political fallout from this is true.ALEC just dumped future NRA involvement and we're now examining new gun control laws.

I have it right,you may not like it but I have it right.

[Some guy]

Why does the photo look posed?

[GMAX]

That political pressure that will come from at most 15 Governors and 180 Representative and maybe as low as 40-44 Senators and no control of the WH? OKAAAAY now.

I guess I did leave out the mayors of a bunch of blue hells.

[Kelm]

"-- But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch. --

Shorter DumplinDave, "Everything I know is made up.""

Either that or he/she has been forcefully hit on the head multiple times.

[cboldt]

-- The state, on the other hand.... they'd have been better off not objecting to bail and skipping the hearing (if that was indeed an option they have). --

It's not an option. The state has the power of arrest and detention. The defendant has the right to require the state to show the court that the state has sufficient evidence to convict him in a trial.

[GMAX]

OK so why isnt Corey, Mike Nifong in a dress?

[cboldt]

-- Maybe he was worried the cops would railroad him. Eerily prescient, after the fact. --

I don;t think he expected a political persecution. The SPD seems to have done its job of seeking evidence that Zimmerman wasn't justified, and concluded in Zimmerman's favor - it was self defense.

Corey and her cohorts are the ones in violation of Florida law.