Let Me Knock This Down

Classical Values posts some clever sleuthing with respect to the Martin family cell phone bill, but I score it as No Sale.  The gist:

stobberdobber

Guess what I just noticed?? The phone logs state that “The date and time for all call correspond to Pacific Time (PSD/PDT). !!!!!!!

Which means the 7:12 PM phone call from Trayvon Martin's girlfriend was made at... 10:12 PM Eastern?  Really?

No.  I found this at a T-Mobile support site - since they don't have time-of-day pricing for text they don't track it the same way they track calls.

There seems to be a bug in the MyTmobile website.  When I log in and look at calls I notice the calls reflect calls made in EDT, while Data information seems to be based on PDT.  At the bottom of both pages are statements that the dates/times reflected are in Pacific time.  As a reference for the call I used a call from my wife and it reflected EDT (which is where I am), however when I purposely did a large data download it was reflected in Pacific time.  Anyone else notice this behavior when they log into their My Tmobile site?

Correct Answer by smplyunprdctble  on Mar 20, 2012 7:52 AM

It's been like that for a while, Josh.

I was told by another T-Mobile person it's because calls are translated to local time zone of where they're made because of billing purposes, but data & texts don't have different prices for peak and off-peak.

Hey, not every idea works out.

Comments

[GMax]

Shortest 15 minutes of fame ever recorded?

[AliceH]

Tom: You asked "If anyone can take credit for pointing it out, that would be great - I have no idea how I was guided there."

I saw it posted on 2 threads - the "Foolish" and "Zimmerman Bond Hearing - Media reaction" thread:

Posted by: M. Simon | April 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM
Posted by: M. Simon | April 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

[AliceH]

oh wait. Were you asking who pointed out the Classical Values story, or the error in the story premise? No matter - I've shared all I know!

[Jane]

Well it will require an explanation at trial which people may or may not understand or buy, so it's still not good for the prosecution.

[Jack is Back!]

Jane,

Have you read the latest at Conservative Tree House? After you read all the stuff they have on DeeDee, don't expect to see her testifying. Not unless they are throwing in the towel. What they have on her is devastating.

[Caspar Weinburger]

I read the stuff on DeeDee at the tree house, including this present 'gotcha' with the time stamps. I am unconvinced. Unfortunately, I got jumped all over for expressing doubts. Just shows that conservatives can be pig headed too.

[PaulL]

What makes you skeptical, Caspar?

[M. Simon]

The phone records according to the Martin's.

[M. Simon]

See page 5 of the pdf.

[Ignatz]

--Which means the 7:12 PM phone call from Trayvon Martin's girlfriend was made at... 10:12 PM Eastern? Really?--

One of the steps to beatification is a documented miracle, so perhaps this is what Sybrina was thanking Jesus for the other day.
St. Trayvon™® of Sanford, the patron saint of “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.
Inquiries, solicitations and those seeking absolution contact Benjamin Crump, Esq during regular business hours, please.

[M. Simon]

We seem to have conflicting stories from T-Mobile reps. I don't think this will get properly sorted until Monday.

[M. Simon]

The question then is: was it from a bill or from a download. If it was a download then PDT.

If I was a betting man I'd say Crump screwed up. But it could also be a screw up of the people that did the original research and me who posted it.

[cboldt]

I'm skeptical that Conservative Treehouse has identified DeeDee, and they offer little or no substantiation for many of their claims (Sybrina didn't attend Trayvon's funeral, for one). I'll give 'em about a 50% on the credibility scale.

[jimmyk]

I wish those of us on the side of justice (I hate to make this a right/left thing) would stop swatting these flies and wasting credibility on things that don't even matter. It's not as if TM's talking to DeeDee on the cell phone has any real bearing on the case. Or at least I'd be shocked if it does.

[Joan Of Argghh!]

She wasn't his girlfriend, apparently. Not even. Crump has seemingly made up a sob-sister story about her that her tweets do not reflect.

Interesting to consider.

[Tom Maguire]

It's not as if TM's talking to DeeDee on the cell phone has any real bearing on the case. Or at least I'd be shocked if it does.

She was one of the lynchpins of the arrest affidavit.

If I was a betting man I'd say Crump screwed up...

Can I put you down for, well, not $10,000.. how about $100?

Loser donates to charity of winner's choice. PETA is OK, but please, not Obama 2012.

[jimmyk]

She was one of the lynchpins of the arrest affidavit.

That says more about the strength of the case than about her actual importance. She saw nothing, even by her own testimony, and said little that contradicts GZ's account. Of course, in the twisted world in which this thing even comes to trial, I suppose anything can happen.

[cboldt]

-- She saw nothing, even by her own testimony, and said little that contradicts GZ's account. --

Her testimony has Zimmerman following Martin, after Zimmerman says he lost Martin. The only aspect of her account that corresponds with Zimmerman's, is that Trayvon spoke first. Every other element is different.

I'd point out two things she's credited with saying, that seem to get lost in the ongoing discussion. The response to Travon's "why are you following me" was from a faraway voice; and at some point she has Zimmerman "cornering" Trayvon. Not that those statements make her story fall apart on its own weight, but those are a couple points where I wonder what she means.

[M. Simon]

TreeHouse was just posting a precis of work originally done at Wagist in the comments.

Follow the time stamps (near impossible at Wagist except in real time). I got to it early this morning before they disappeared into "Load 50 More".

Also note two different names (probably a screen name at Wagist).

[M. Simon]

Tom Maguire,

At this point in my career I'm impecunious. What I can offer is a front page apology at CV.

I have linked back here so we are already on our way. But I will make it a full post if error is proved. Give it about 28 hours. i.e. until tomorrow afternoon. Plenty of time to get the answer.

[jimmyk]

The only issue that matters (or that should matter) is who initiated violence. On that, DeeDee has nothing.

[M. Simon]

As a reference for the call I used a call from my wife and it reflected EDT (which is where I am), however when I purposely did a large data download it was reflected in Pacific time.

[M. Simon]

jimmyk,

The "friend" (apparently DD) was a key part of the charging document. If that blows up they got nuttin.

[jimmyk]

I should add, to the extent her other stories do contradict GZ, they're based on her recollection of what she heard over the phone. I have a hard time seeing that as amounting to much, but I'll defer to the lawyers here.

[AliceH]

Wait - the affidavit cited a "witness" we presume to mean DeeDee. Beyond that, do we (the public, not the prosecutor) actually have any statement from her, or do we have Crump's assertions of what she said?

I'm curious what is being considered the baseline evidence and its source(s), to which the TMobile records are being applied for confirmation or disputation.

(For my part, I've paid no attention to any DeeDee discussions as yet, because nothing struck me as being anything other than pure speculation based on confabulation - but I admit I could easily have missed an ice berg in this ocean of posts.)

[M. Simon]

If they call DD for "evidence" for the charging document the whole house of cards folds. Because even if the times are right (I'm yet to be convinced) her testimony is hearsay. Or O'Mara will shred it.

Corey likes to overcharge and get a plea (12 year old charged with "adult" murder). With Zim on bail and not in jail that is less likely to work.

[jimmyk]

AliceH, they interviewed DeeDee for something like 2.5 hours. From what I've read, she has TM saying to GZ (after GZ says he lost sight of TM), "Why are you following me?" I don't see how that's inconsistent with GZ's story that he was going back to his truck and was accosted by TM.

And certainly her claim that he (earlier) began to run is belied by the facts: Had he done so he would have been home in about 20 seconds. In addition, she doesn't really know what happened because she was only on the phone.

[M. Simon]

From TreeHouse:

garnette says:
April 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm

I finally realized that what we are looking at are cut and paste screen prints of the TMobile website call record pages. The calls are out of order because they make up 4 different phone lines. So, there are are a bunch of calls on the 26th as well as other days, and without a clear indication or more information there is no telling which calls are connected to which phone line. I can’t even tell how they sort this information to present in on the webpages.

=======

I'm not convinced DD was even on the phone with Tray.

[matt]

Menu for the next state dinner at the White House:

Bichon Quiche
Schnauzerwurst
Alsatian Pot au Feu
Medailles du Malinois
Chocolate Lab Pudding

and for the mutts in the press.....chow, of course.

[M. Simon]

It is some premature but it is starting to look like Nifong territory.

[Paula]

"Which means the 7:12 PM phone call from Trayvon Martin's girlfriend was made at... 10:12 PM Eastern? Really?"

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. Trayvon was already dead at 10:12 PM Eastern time.

[cboldt]

-- I'm not convinced DD was even on the phone with Tray. --

She gave sworn testimony to Corey's team of crack investigators to that effect. Not saying that's true, but if HER phone records don't line up, I doubt she'd hang her butt out that far

Are you the author that concludes the tweets are DeeDee's? Have you viewed the tweets of @_LoveThyLondon? I ask because @_LoveThyLondon seems to have deep affection for Martin. Quite different from the friend of Martin that the article asserts is DeeDee.

[cboldt]

-- It's not as if TM's talking to DeeDee on the cell phone has any real bearing on the case. --

It has bearing on Corey's basis for bringing charges, and it has bearing on the press. If it ends up that the DeeDee story is a complete fabrication, that she was not on the phone with Martin, and that can be proven, it blows up real big in Corey's face.

I agree with you that DeeDee is a bit player in any objective analysis. Her testimony should be dismissed out of hand, after politely listening to it.

[Deborah Cutchins]

I am going to post here because I am the one who saw it and posted it. I had to bring it up because it does create a discrepency. I posted originally because I wanted to help in knowing if anyone else knew anything about this. I was led to that answer on the T mobile website but it did say that it was a glitch. I also called a T Mobile customer service rep. @ actually and they both told me that it would be posted as PST. Well I went still further. I asked over 2 other forums if they would DOWNLOAD their call records and check. Some said it did and some said it did not. Or that it did on the call record but not the actual bill. So apparently it could be one or the other. It is definitely a cut and paste as the 2 7:. calls are pasted above the text messages. Also to point out there are apparently calls from the previous billing calls downloaded or rather factually printed with these particular calls. Just saying is all. This account also has 4 lines attached to it and since all of the pertinent information is missing-phone #- we can't tell. It can not yet be used as evidence that the claimed call even occurred.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"Her testimony has Zimmerman following Martin, after Zimmerman says he lost Martin."

Not really, though...

Think about it practically. Zimmerman could have just been walking back to his car, as he claims. If Martin decides to put himself in the direction of Zimmermans car, that hardly constitutes "following"

The Confrontation takes place on a clear path between where his car was and where he says he quit following/hung up. Zimmerman "followed" his path back to his car, Martin somehow ended up back on that path though and a confrontation ensured.

If anything, her "following" comment lends to Martin being the aggressor; hidden, waiting for Zimmerman on the path he would have to take to get back to his Car (which Martin knew where the car was as well)

[AliceH]

jimmyk@3:28 - not my question. What is OUR source of what DD said?
..."they interviewed"... you mean the prosecutors or their investigators? Fine - but we don't HAVE their interview work product, so we can't read for ourselves what she said.

"From what I've read..." read where? A primary source to DD's interview?
"her claim that he (earlier) began to run"... is there a link to her making that claim? Or is that somebody saying that's what she has claimed? Who? Or is ALL OF THIS exclusively based on one paragraph in the Affidavit of Probable Cause (which, to me, is ambiguous as to what their source is for all but one assertion-that Trayvon said he was scared because he was being followed.)

I'm just trying to see if there is anything substantive (fact or evidence) beneath all the speculation and assertions. Is this entirely spun off from the affidavit, or not? If not, then what?

[jimmyk]

No, we don't have the interview. We also GZ's interview with the police the night of the killing. There's lots we don't have primary sources for. I'm basing this on the ABC interview, as reported here:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T5RkPNkbDbh

I agree the affidavit is vague except for referring to her claim that TM was scared and began to run.

[PaulL]

One thing we *know* is that there's no way that Martin would have told DeeDee he was scared.

DeeDee's whole narrative is bunk anyway. Plus, we don't know how much of it was hers and how much was made up by Crump.

My guess is that the case is dismissed next go-round.

[AliceH]

Thank you, jimmyk. I did miss that (or rather, skipped past it at the time and subsequently forgot about it.)

[Deborah Cutchins]

Here is one there are many more
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T5RnvKtYtn4

[Frau Kleine Oma]

Crump has been in control of the narrative from the beginning. Someone could come up with an actual video of the occurrence, and it would rejected as a phony. It's easier to believe what *might* have been said during analleged phone call.

[Deborah Cutchins]

Well if he had a video and it could be validated at this late stage then I would have to go for the Martins and convict. It IS a little late for that though.

[Caspar Weinburger]

@PaulL

Thanks for the question. Why am I skeptical about the Conservative TreeHouse concerning DeeDee tweets?

Well, the Treehouse claims two things: Crumps assertion that DeeDee and TM spoke for 400 minutes is wrong; that Deedee wasn't in the hospital or grieving.
My objection to the first is Deedee's numerous tweets don't prove that she didn't speak to TM for 400 minutes. Their calls took place intermittently from early morning to his death, so there is plenty of time between calls to tweet. Also, it is possible to talk on the phone and tweet at the same time. The only thing it proves is she is an Internet obsessed teenager.
The second point the Treehouse made is that Deedee's posts prove she wasn't in the hospital or grieving over TM. My objection was we cannot expect someone to post on the Internet that they are in the mental hospital. Perhaps she is keeping up with appearances. I also said we cannot infer someone's mental state by a lack of evidence. In other words, the Treehouse claims that since she doesn't grieve or cry on Twitter, she couldn't have been in grief. While I admitted it seems odd, it seems all but impossible to know what she really felt. I do not even begin to admit that I understand 15 year old girls today. I have no idea how she would express grief. The tweets only reveal a few seconds of her day. What is she doing the rest of the day? Perhaps she is in bed crying and decides to tweet once in a while. Maybe someone tweets her and she responds. Who knows? Just because a person doesn't smile, doesn't mean they are unhappy.

Anyways, I was jumped all over by the one admin on that site. I am confident GZ will be released. I think Crump is a dirty lawyer. I think Sharpton and Jackson should be in jail. I also cannot wait to see O'Mara to rip the prosecution a new arsehole again. It has no case.

I just cannot believe that if someone disagrees even a little with the conservative party line is treated like some kind of troll on the Conservative Treehouse. Can't we try to evaluate the evidence civilly? Are we no better than the liberal media shills? I am so disappointed in that blog. At least here we all know that Dublin Dave talks out his ass, but at least we try to address his points to show how far wrong he is. Not so on the Treehouse. It is either conformity or expulsion.

/Rant finished.

[jimmyk]

off

[GMax]

Rangers take 3 out of 4 from the Tigres in Motown. Bring on the Yanquis. I will be there Tuesday. I will be the one behind the screen with a Rangers cap on, TM ( wink).

[Cecil Turner]

Mostly concur with Cap. And phone records are pretty basic. I doubt the interviewers blew that one, which leads to the conclusion that the time stamp on the mishmash .pdf is obviously wrong. Should come out in court, one way or another.

[narciso]

It may be as with Wagist, that having fault with most of 'the narrative' they are not willing to concede any point on that site,
most everything that has been handled by Crump's team, has been tainted, the audiotape, the 9/11 call transcript, apparently the police station tape that was
presented.

[cboldt]

-- My objection to the first is Deedee's numerous tweets don't prove that she didn't speak to TM for 400 minutes. --

I'm an even bigger heretic that you are. I doubt that DeeDee is Daisha Mitchell as @iAdoree_Dee or Daisha Brianne as @x_FashionObsess.

Martin had a circle of friends, probably a few of them posted on Twitter. That there is a (girl) friend who wasn't that close should be no surprise. I don't see the logic that connects this "not close" friend on twitter, to DeeDee, and the blog doesn't provide it.

@_LoveThyLondon shows more similarity to DeeDee. Why not analyze those tweets? And I'm not saying @_LoveThyLondon is DeeDee either, the real DeeDee may be yet another handle. I've seen at least one reference (lost track of where it came from) that DeeDee ran as @InsanelyDopeex3.

[Caspar Weinburger]

@ cboldt

Perhaps they are the same, or perhaps not. In any case, I think the Treehouse should have waited until confirmation before posting someone's picture that might not even be Deedee. That seems irresponsible. It makes us look no better than Spike Lee or Rosanne Bar. I tried to hold that Blog to a higher standard than the liberal shills, but I got chewed out for it.

[Rick Ballard]

cboldt,

Can O'Mara subpoeana DeeDee's phone records and twitter account in order to challenge her veracity as a witness?

[M. Simon]

Caspar,

I just cannot believe that if someone disagrees even a little with the conservative party line is treated like some kind of troll on the Conservative Treehouse. Can't we try to evaluate the evidence civilly?

Hang out at Wagist. Discussion is robust. Lots of Blacks (pro and con) drop in. And it is relatively unmoderated.

[cboldt]

-- Can O'Mara subpoeana DeeDee's phone records and twitter account in order to challenge her veracity as a witness? --

If he enters into the mutual discovery arrangement under FL Rules of Criminal Procedure, It'll be up to Judge Lester. A subpoena to the phone company and twitter.com will be unnecessary if the state has already obtained that information in the course of its investigation. In that case, the state is obliged to make it available to the defense.

Rule 3.220(f) provides, "Additional Discovery. On a showing of materiality, the court may require such other discovery to the parties as justice may require." Subpoena to the phone company and twitter.com is not an automatic right, unless he state names them as witnesses.

[Jack is Back!]

cboldt,

Then why did the Crump team take down the twitter account of @IAdoree_Dee? Also, I have gone to the x_FashionObsess and to @_LoveThyLondon tweets and they are 180 out of each other. x_Fashion is real dirty "hoe" territority and LoveThyLondon is basically clean cut Christian reflections on Jesus. Which one do you believe a guy who used Nigga in his twitter handle preferred?

[cboldt]

-- I tried to hold that Blog to a higher standard than the liberal shills, but I got chewed out for it. --

Live and learn. We all get to make our own beds.

[Deborah Cutchins]

I don't know about tweeting enough to know what is what there. But there is a tweet that says Tray was a best friend. I do understand how that goes with most people though so it just is ,as someone who seems to know more. They do share actual facts there too. So I look and comment where there may be some facts or even some information I don't have and that I can evaluate.

[M. Simon]

Juvenile Testifying - The Constitutional Argument - plus a taste of case law

[Jack is Back!]

Also, is this the game Trayvon was playing that night? There was some speculation due to prior tweets and facebook postings that he was into this game.

[cboldt]

-- Then why did the Crump team take down the twitter account of @IAdoree_Dee? --

I don't know. Maybe misdirection. I also don't know that Crump took it down. Maybe Daisha did.

I am certain that the call log for the phone that Trayvon was ostensibly carrying on the 26th has calls connecting to more than one phone number. I'm sure of it because some of the calls overlap (T-Mobile and "not" T-Mobile being connected simultaneously). Also, the long calls in those roughly 400 minutes can be spread out among two or more people.

-- x_FashionObsess and to @_LoveThyLondon tweets and they are 180 out of each other. ... Which one do you believe a guy who used Nigga in his twitter handle preferred? --

I don't have a strong feeling in either direction on that one, because all I see are remarks that post-date his death. But no matter, my point was that I have reason to doubt Daisha is DeeDee. Daisha just flat out cares not so much about Trayvon. Doesn't fit the "close friend" profile - and that quality (doesn't fit the "close friend" profile) is probably true for most of Trayvon's circle(s) of friends.

[xyz]

It does seem that Daisha Mitchell posted as @InsanelyDopeex3

http://topsy.com/s?q=%40InsanelyDopeex3

[GMax]

She well may turn out not to be Dee Dee. But she does have a twitter acct, it did trade tweets with the No Limit acct of Trayvon, it did get taken down rather mysteriously and while we dont know here middle name or nickname, having a first name that starts with D is a good likelyhood for a nickname of Dee Dee.

I will ante for another card on this one.

[Clarice]

I really hope to be spared reading teenage girls' moronic tweets.

[Frau Kleine Oma]

It was bad enough being one, Clarice.

[cboldt]

Jack is Back! - I do find that @_LoveThyLondon might just be an emotional type, more emotional than others. I don't claim that she's DeeDee, just that her twitter reaction corresponds better (than Daisha) with a person who is feeling a persistent sense of loss. One of @_LoveThyLondon's tweets mentions getting choked up at seeing Trayvon's phone number on her phone, she talks about daily hugs in school, etc.

[Jack is Back!]

Clarice,

Her and his whole crowd are in the finals to replace Valley Girls. I thought Meghan McCain had that locked up until I started to read the tweets of Trayvon and his friends.

[Frau Kleine Oma]

JiB, I'm waiting to hear that the KOK always leaves his victim with a farewell "You got it."

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

We're left determining the probative value of the sound of a shove and the sight of passing shadows. This just ain't gonna make the highlight reel for 'Great Moments in Jurisprudence'.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"my point was that I have reason to doubt Daisha is DeeDee. Daisha just flat out cares not so much about Trayvon."

Put yourself in her shoes.

~ She has one account (@IAdoree_Dee) deleted because it connects to the name "DeeDee" & has the communication to Martin
~ She is told not to talk about the Trayvon case, or him personally, because it will out her
~ If outed, her life will be in shambles, and she would quite likely have to change schools, lose contact with friends, and possibly jeopardize the overall case against his killer.
~ Someone is watching her Tweets, guaranteed, looking to scrub ones which can be problematic to the prosecution. (we might even be able to find this person by looking at friends who have next to no one else befriended)

Those would be facts (And they are hard to reconcile with LoveThyLondon I believe)

Now ponder one last strong possibility
~ She is told that, if she is outed, people will want to silence her testimony in an attempt to allow the killing of a black youth by a white male to go unpunished.

It might be difficult for her, but its doable. Besides, she lost one of multiple people she considered "her bestest friend" - a person we don't really know she even talked to that much (only Crump claims this) and probably rarely saw since they seem to go to different schools. When I was in HS, I lost a person I talked to every so often - I went to the funeral, and I didn't spend that much time talking about it afterward because when you are a young person in HS, your self-interest level is at extreme levels. I thought about her from time to time, and I missed the person I lost, but her death didn't consume my every moment either (and I didn't talk to others about it at all really)

[Jack is Back!]

cboldt,

If she is DeeDee this could be a problem. I think from reading her she is as close to a good, happy, Christian type kid you will find in Trayvon's crowd. The kind that will be hard to nullify her testimony. But I just have a hard time thinking, feeling or believing this is the girl he was spending time with on the phone.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"If she is DeeDee this could be a problem. I think from reading her she is as close to a good, happy, Christian type kid you will find in Trayvon's crowd."

If LoveThyLondon is DeeDee, then why didn't Crump scrub her tweets? Or why didn't Crump tell her to stop talking about Martin and the case? Or why isn't Crump coming down on her for possibly jeopardizing the case with her continued tweets about Martin?

He's trying to control everything the Martins do, but could care less about letting the star witness talk up a storm?

It just doesn't jive with me...

[cboldt]

BlahBlahBlah - The alternative, Daisha, has tweeted in a way that renders her a liar, if she's DeeDee. That's the whole point of the Treehouse analysis. So, if somebody is cleaning up Daisha's tweet tracks, they suck at it.

[cboldt]

-- If LoveThyLondon is DeeDee, then why didn't Crump scrub her tweets? Or why didn't Crump tell her to stop talking about Martin and the case? --

That's a good question.

Again, I'm not saying LoveThyLondon is DeeDee, only that the twitter profile fits Crump's description of the relationship better. Looking for that kind of fit (i.e., assuming Crump is telling at least roughly a truth) might be a mistake too.

The people in Trayvon's circle of friends know who DeeDee is (and I don't assume she goes by DeeDee either, that might be a fiction too).

How does Treehouse reach the conclusion that Crump sterilized the @IAdoree_Dee account? Why is Daisha, of all the people who refer to No_Limit, the best fit for being the person ID'd by Crump as DeeDee?

[cboldt]

I know EVERYTHING i'm doing for Tray, if the roles were reversed, he'd do it for me. I love him that kidd.. <3 28 Mar

[cboldt]

-- If LoveThyLondon is DeeDee, then why didn't Crump scrub her tweets? --

Thnking about this, why sterilize them if they corroborate your account? If LoveThyLondon tweets something about not going to the funeral (and she did tweet that funeral arrangement time was hard on her, emotionally); and had a silent time that fits being hospitalized (the farthest back I could go, when I looked on Apr 16, was Feb 29); you'd like that preserved, yes? It fits your narrative.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"The alternative, Daisha, has tweeted in a way that renders her a liar, if she's DeeDee. That's the whole point of the Treehouse analysis. So, if somebody is cleaning up Daisha's tweet tracks, they suck at it."

Only the questionable "at the hospital" statement they (Crump & Family) delivered is really a "lie" though, and even it could be innocent (she might have claimed that is why she didnt go to make her look good to the parents.)

Have Crump&Co said the hospital thing since then? If not, maybe they found that out themselves. And the Hospital thing has no real barring on the case anyway - its merely a sympathy thing...

Otherwise, what else is a true "lie" instead of just the normal embellishment to the media Crump&Co delivers?

[cboldt]

-- Only the questionable "at the hospital" statement they (Crump & Family) delivered is really a "lie" though --

If you assume that the hospitalization and missing the funeral were concurrent events.

[Aussie]

I looked a @_LoveThyLondon twitter account but could not get back as far as February. The girl definitely had a relationship of some sort with TM... called him Auntie Mike.

I do not think that she is DeeDee or at least she is not Daisha. On top of that she is well known to TM's mother.

[cboldt]

Treehouse identifies a number of timing issues with Daisha as DeeDee - meeting with Crump to give the oral affidavit is one I recall (although that may have been via phone, one press report said the recording was "inaudible"). Anyway, one could check all of the Treehouse ID'd anomalies against other twitter records. Finding a twitter record that doesn't fit is easier than finding one that does fit -- and finding one that doesn't fit, then labeling it DeeDee, then calling DeeDee a liar because the twitter trail doesn't fit, well, that looks like bootstrapping to me.

[Ignatz]

--On top of that she is well known to TM's mother.--

That would seem to possibly present a bit of a problem.

[cboldt]

-- I looked a @_LoveThyLondon twitter account but could not get back as far as February. --

I think it goes back 45 days. I loaded the record to the end in the evening of April 16, and again yesterday.

Wish I'd taken a passing interest in it a few days earlier, but that's the way I roll, a few days late.

[cboldt]

On the "close to Jesus" attribute, what could be better to get in good graces with Corey?

[cboldt]

-- I do not think that [LoveThyLondon] is DeeDee or at least she is not Daisha. --

Definitely not Daisha, in any of her several twitter embodiments.

How do you rule her out as DeeDee?

[BlahBlahBlah]

"How does Treehouse reach the conclusion that Crump sterilized the @IAdoree_Dee account?"

I cant speak for them, but it seems as if the IAdoree_Dee account was scrubbed around the same time No_Limit_Nigga was - or shortly after the death at least. The two also had proven contact with eachother.

Why did IAdoree_Dee scrub her account if it is unimportant though? A normal kid might stop using an account - but scrubbing it?

And yes, we dont know if DeeDee is a real name she sometimes goes by - but it is a mighty coincidence if IAdoree_Dee isnt DeeDee. Its possible its misdirection; but wow do the two fit well together if it is DeeDee and she was told to stop talking about Martin (which she would have been)

"Thnking about this, why sterilize them if they corroborate your account?"

Scrubbing the account doesn't mean the evidence goes away - it merely means random Joe Schmoe doesn't have access to it.

Its not unlike sealing Martins autopsy and school records. Still evidence, just not public evidence.

If Crump dosent scrub the account, what happens when the Media tracks down LoveThyLondon? He just allows the chaos it brings?

If the Media got hold of DeeDee now, wow...

[cboldt]

-- Only the questionable "at the hospital" statement they (Crump & Family) delivered is really a "lie" though --

So is "close friend" a lie, and all the artifacts that one would expect to surround that. With Daisha, you get a ho hum reaction to Trayvon being dead. With LoveThyLondon, you get almost daily reminiscing of Trayvon; and on some days, preoccupation with Trayvon.

[cboldt]

-- If the Media got hold of DeeDee now, wow... --

Non issue. The media would protect her.

[BlahBlahBlah]

I really don't know either way, but I have an unbelievably hard time believing the Prosecution (and especially, Crump&Co) is trying to control the Family completely but allowing the star witness to talk up a storm. Meanwhile, Daisha is doing exactly what one would expect from a person being told not to talk about it imo.

Or, think of it this way - why is Daisha saying nothing about Trayvon when she clearly knew him and talked about him prior on the account that has now been scrubbed? Does that lead one to believe she isn't DeeDee, or is and is trying to keep it on the downlow?

[cboldt]

-- but it is a mighty coincidence if IAdoree_Dee isnt DeeDee. --

I looked at it differently, as "I Adore Dee," which is a reference to adoring somebody other than IAdoree_Dee.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"So is "close friend" a lie, and all the artifacts that one would expect to surround that. "

It makes more sense that "close friend" is two things - 1) Crump sensationalism 2) young girl sensationalism

DeeDee to Crump: "Oh my God, he was like one of my bestest friends ever! I cant believe he died while I talked to him. I like so loved him"

Crump to Media: "close friend", "puppy love", blahblahblah...

Makes sense, does it not?

"With Daisha, you get a ho hum reaction to Trayvon being dead. With LoveThyLondon, you get almost daily reminiscing of Trayvon; and on some days, preoccupation with Trayvon"

See, I see it soo differently...

With Daisha you get what you would expect from a Prosecutions "Star Witness". With the other you get a dramatizing young girl who probably was a classmate or friend of some kind, who now wants to talk about it endlessly for attention.

[cboldt]

-- I have an unbelievably hard time believing the Prosecution (and especially, Crump&Co) is trying to control the Family completely but allowing the star witness to talk up a storm. --

Good luck controlling an adolescent. As long as what she's doing helps her keep mental balance, and maybe even helps her believe the narrative, why not let her run with it?

If Crump & Co. is going to control the output of data, then DeeDee is invisible right now, and therefore it can't be Daisha either.

So, I missed how Treehouse concluded that Daisha was the best fit for DeeDee.

[BlahBlahBlah]

"I looked at it differently, as "I Adore Dee," which is a reference to adoring somebody other than IAdoree_Dee."

Very true - but put yourself in Crumps shoes:

"we have a witness, we'll call here 'DeeDee', who..."

It doesn't matter what IAdoreDee was referring too - it only matters what Crump is calling her. They admit that isn't her name - its the one they gave her to keep her secrete.

[cboldt]

-- Why did IAdoree_Dee scrub her account if it is unimportant though? --

Big speculation on my part, but if it had signs of buying or selling pot, pills, etc., she'd want that gone. Martin was on the line to more than one person the night of the 26th - there are overlapping phone calls, some on T-Mobile, others not.

Anyway, I'm DeeDee'd out unless I find some closer match. And, FWIW, I still find the Treehouse account to be in the nature of a bootstrapped finding.

[cboldt]

-- it only matters what Crump is calling her. --

Ahh, that makes perfect sense. Crump will pick the witness's twitter handle and massage it a little bit. Why didn't I think of that.

[BlahBlahBlah]

But cboldt, on her accounts, you can actually find evidence that Daisha is a virgin (doesnt talk like one, but does say she is), she is constantly with her family it seems and I haven't seen any thing that says she is really doing drugs anywhere (granted, I havent looked and read much - but still). You really think this (I believe) 15yo is buying and selling pot and scrubbing her account to hide it?

"If Crump & Co. is going to control the output of data, then DeeDee is invisible right now, and therefore it can't be Daisha either."

Daisha, despite knowing him and claiming he is a "best friend", is saying nothing about Trayvon - that seems like great controlling to me.

You cant realistically stop her from talking - but you can stop her from talking about the case.

"So, I missed how Treehouse concluded that Daisha was the best fit for DeeDee."

(these two images to be read backwards from the bottom of the second up)

She found out sometime the next day, and stopped communicating for a short while after a "RIP BestFriend, you will be missed!"

Then, like any self-obsessed teen she seemingly goes about her life before bed (although, extremely strong possibility at least some tweets were deleted in there somewhere if she is DeeDee)

Also, look at the amount she tweets normally then look at the day in question:

(and remember, the All-Star game started after Trayvon was shot - at roughly 7:30.

You can see she is A) Not tweeting - but is able to B) claiming to be bored - which usually means a likelihood calling people to chat C) Doesnt tweet at all that day really between waking up and 7:30 at night - thats a whole lot of inactive time for such an obsessive tweeter!

That leaves her free to be talking with Trayvon on and off for hours as she is out with the Family. Does it mean she was? Nah, but she was in a logical position to do it.

Like I said, I am not sure; but she is a perfect match with no real draw back what so ever other then what you would expect - being told not to comment on the case.

[macphisto]

a self-aggrandizing girl might use the handle "IAdoreeDee" so they could have everyone that pings them say "I Adore Dee."

[BlahBlahBlah]

"Ahh, that makes perfect sense. Crump will pick the witness's twitter handle and massage it a little bit. Why didn't I think of that."

I have zero idea - you are usually quicker then that!

But really, in Crumps shoes, I have Daisha Brianne Mitchell as my witness, and she goes by "IAdoree_Dee". If I am making up a name, DeeDee is a strong likelihood to me - wouldn't it be to you?

I think that makes unbelievable sense; to me at least...

[Clarice]

Rick B: "We're left determining the probative value of the sound of a shove and the sight of passing shadows. This just ain't gonna make the highlight reel for 'Great Moments in Jurisprudence'."

Exactly. So there's another reason why not to read these ridiculous teenage tweets.

[cboldt]

So, Daisha is DeeDee, she's tweeting during the AllStar game as if nothing weird has happened, and doesn't tweet she knows Martin's shot until (looks like late) the next day. So, because Daisha is not interested much in Trayvon (at least not in evidence in Twitter), that proves DeeDee isn't really interested in Trayvon, which proves the whole DeeDee narrative is a fiction.

You could do the same proof with anybody who isn't interested much in Martin, but knew him well enough to get the word he'd been shot dead.

"Besties" "Best Friend" seems to be loosely handed out in this crowd.

-- But really, in Crumps shoes, I have Daisha Brianne Mitchell as my witness, and she goes by "IAdoree_Dee". If I am making up a name, DeeDee is a strong likelihood to me - wouldn't it be to you? --

Not based on a twitter handle, but that's because in this sort of meeting, I wouldn't be asking a stranger what their twitter handle is, so I wouldn't know "IAdoree_Dee." I'm slow that way.

[cboldt]

Oh, and Daisha is out and about with family on the 26th, so she isn't on the phone 400 minutes with Trayvon, so that proves DeeDee wasn't on the phone, therefore Crump is lying about DeeDee being on the phone with Trayvon for 400 minutes on the 26th.

Again, I could do the same thing with anybody except the person who IS more or less preoccupied on the phone.

Maybe Treehouse made an error, and Daisha isn't DeeDee. That would explain everything perfectly, too.

[GWCarver]

For the record, the current version of TM's last words, attributed to Zimmerman, were "OK, you got it." Twice.

[Terry]

Food for thought: In the recent case of Dharun Ravi, he was convicted of evidence tampering for deleting Tweets that were relevant to an active police investigation. Wonder what the Florida courts would say about those same actions by Crump, DeeDee, the Martins, etc.?

[Frau Hab'-es-satt]

Do these kids even know to count their blessings? My mother was picking cotton as a child in West Texas. Her grandparents lost their farm during an extended drought and tried to find work for the extended family. Several lie in unmarked graves. Let's keep the fairy tale rolling about "White folks' greed runs a world in need."
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