NBC Producer Out But Unnamed

The NY Tmes breaks its Trayvon Martin silence long enough to report at one of their blogs that an unnamed NBC producer has been fired as a result of the doctored Zimmerman "He looks black" report.

The people with direct knowledge of the firing characterized the misleading edit as a mistake, not a purposeful act.

Per their legal advice, presumably.  Well, Mr. Zimmerman can take some satisfaction in learning that NBC is now back to supporting "innocent until proven guilty". 

As for the Times, their first bylined report on this NBC debacle is "Good-bye".  Anyone naive enough to rely on the Times for their news probably enjoys the fact that the biggest puzzles start on the front page, not with the crossword.  And of course, we can easily rustle up devoted Times readers who sincerely believe in an unbiased media.  Ignorance is bliss.

ERRATA:  As previously noted, the NY Times broke radio silence on Trayvon Martin to report two minor corrections.  We still await their thoughts on Charles Blow's March 25 column, which cited the 100 pound weight differential between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman as evidence of the implausibility of Zimmerman's self-defense claim.  The Times subsequently downsized Zimmerman and reported a twenty pound differential.

The Times also discussed the ABC 'police tape shows NO INJURIES' video as evidence against Zimmerman; ABC later reversed course but the Times has gone dark.

But on the bright side, the Times did finally mention Spike Lee's deplorable tweeting, the New Black Panthers bounty (once), and now the NBC debacle.  All late, of course, but patching the narrative takes time and patience.

REACHING BACK:  When CNN fired Eason Jordan after a week-long imbroglio the Times' first report was of his dismissal.  Maybe this is a professional respect thing, although Eason had been bashing US troops.

Comments

[melanerpes]

Fired for a "mistake"? I think the producer has a legal case against NBC. He should sue.

[Captain Hate]

Obviously I'm not aware of how the MFM operates (I was gonna use the verb "works" and then thought better of it) but would the producer be more than some mid-level schmoe or not? Obviously he was entrusted with some level of autonomy on what he put together for a broadcast.

[Donald]

That would be awesome.

[Ignatz]

The answer is;
Gravy-wrestling model suffers horrific facial injuries after being hit with monkey wrench when she interrupted a friend having sex.

What are headlines you don't see every day, Alex?

[jimmyk]

would the producer be more than some mid-level schmoe or not?

CH, without a name and position made public, the best assumption is that this "producer" is a complete fiction. Why fire someone for a mistake? And if it wasn't a mistake, why protect the person's identity?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Another Mary Mapes?

[narciso]

I was trying to link the relevant wiki Dateline/GM segment, but capcha gets in the way.

[Donald]

That gravy wrestling thIng is even awesomer.

[narciso]

Do the names Al Midhar and Al Hamzi ring a bell you stupid woman, not to mention Milan
Rapito

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/around-the-world-abc-news/bosnia-lesson-syrian-slaughter-161815903.html

[Frau Bratensoße]

I sometimes used to dream of gravy...with potatoes, of course.

[Janet]

Yes! to jimmyk's post.

A blessed Passover to everyone!

[hit and run]

I'm sorry for those for whom the capcha is capchin' ya.

Sounds uncomfortable.

For some reason it hasn't capcha'd me yet.

Not sure why. Maybe TM likes me better.

[Chubby]

imo, the only reason they are taking steps to correct their record is to cover their asses from being sued, not out of any sense of journalistic ethics such as fair and balanced reporting.

[Dave (in MA)]

I've always said it's never a good idea for a gravy wrestler to keep a monkey wrench near the sofa.

[Jane]

They should still be sued.

[Ignatz]

Monkey wrenches don't hurt gravy wrestlers; their drunken roommates do.

[Chubby]

((I've always said it's never a good idea for a gravy wrestler to keep a monkey wrench near the sofa.))

we are in awe of your wisdom :)

[narciso]

Al Midhar and Al Hazmi were the two Saudis who were so appreciative of our efforts in
Bosnia, that they crashed United 77, into the WTC, Rapito, is the name for the Milan mosque
whose imam, Omar Nasr, was 'rendered to Egypt,
the founder Shaaban was part of the AQ network
in the Balkans.

[Janet]

Let me see if this works -

Yeah...kinda cool. Neat site here. via Flares into Darkness

[narciso]

Happy Passover all, sorry to be such a drudge
(no pun intended) today.

[Janet]

It is the NBC producer disappearing.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Which show was the bogus rendering of the 911 first broadcast? That should give us a hint who the producers are for that show and narrow it down.

[cboldt]

Firing people is immaterial to the defamation in the first place. The point of the "we fired the only dishonest person in the newsroom" story is to facilitate the ongoing (false) claim, "we are objective."

[cboldt]

Toady show. I mean Today. The morning set of fiction, not the amped-up fiction that goes on the evening broadcast.

[centralcal]

Wonderful, Janet! Sure wish that Flares into Darkness animation worked on some of our *ahem* commenters! (ben/dana/cleo or whomever he is tonight)

A happy and blessed Passover to all of our wonderful Jewish JOMers.

[Caro]

Happy Pesach fom me,too.

[Rick Ballard]

Another tidbit

“You’re going to find the two of them were closely engaged. It was a basic point-blank shot,” Zimmerman attorney Hal Uhrig told NBC’s “Today.” “But there’s going to be evidence that the police have, and they don’t do their investigation by sharing it with you and I.”

I've thought it was probably point blank from the beginning, due to the ejection malfunction. The ME report will include a notation on powder burns and/or stippling if the attorney's assertion is true.

[narciso]

At that Times link someone still linked this
coffeeclatch of Pravda;

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained#zimmermancalls

the gig was up long before March 27, how far
even Kim doesn't know, LOL

[cboldt]

NBC was following a lead started by its sister, MSNBC.

NBC News Fires Editgate Producer

... author Dan Riehl highlighted the edit to the Zimmerman 911 tape as it appeared in print at MSNBC. The MSNBC story was originally published March 21st, six days before the same edit was used in the Today show broadcast.

[Ignatz]

Janet,
I don't think you quite have the basic concept of posting pictures of chicks yet.

[cboldt]

-- The ME report will include a notation on powder burns and/or stippling if the attorney's assertion is true. --

Maybe some ripped flesh on Trayvon's hand/hands/palms if he had a grip on the slide and frame at the moment of discharge.

[centralcal]

uh, I beg to differ, dearest, sweetest, biggest honkin' wood cutting machine in the universe, Ignatz!

She has just the right picture of old crows being banished back to Chicagoland evah!

[cboldt]

MSNBC

Editor’s note: A clarification was made to this story on March 28, 2012. An earlier version of the story truncated George Zimmerman’s quotes to a 911 operator in a way that may have changed the meaning.

[Ignatz]

--She has just the right picture of old crows being banished back to Chicagoland evah!--

Point taken, cc. We all have our niche.
Hope you don't mind if I stick to mine.

[Poppa]

We need his name so we can post his address on Twitter!

[narciso]

Brian Williams, needs to go, and Phil Griffin
they oversaw the whole operation,

[Gmax]

May have changed the meaning? Oh brother. Lets try that construction. Bill Buckner may have let one go through his legs... Germany may have overrun the Netherlands in days...

[Rick Ballard]

cboldt,

The mental picture I have of the moment the shot was fired is Martin straddling Zimmerman. Zimmerman was trying to scoot over onto the grass and in doing so revealed the pistol to Martin. A struggle for the pistol ensued, with Zimmerman gaining control and raising it far enough to shoot Martin in the chest. The slide could have hooked on Martin flesh but it also could have hung on Martin or Zimmerman's clothing.

[Ann]

uh, I beg to differ, dearest, sweetest, biggest honkin' wood cutting machine in the universe, Ignatz!

CC, I love Ignatz too!

[narciso]

That makes the most sense, Rick, a tragic accident, but that doesn't 'serve the narrative'

[bob]

How is it possible to verify that someone was fired if we don't know who it is? Are we now expected to trust them?

[Ignatz]

--CC, I love Ignatz too!--

Now, now, the line forms to the right ladies. :)
Besides, I don't think I've ever mentioned that Mrs. Ignatz is a crack shot have I?

[cboldt]

As recounted by one of the Robert Zimmerman's, after the pistol was revealed, Martin delivered a verbal death threat. He wouldn't be doing that if he didn't either have a grip on the pistol, or believe he could get one in short order, and disarm his intended victim.

I hear you on hooking fabric. I've heard empty casing in the pipe (plus full magazine), but on reflection, that's not authoritative. We'll find out in due course.

[centralcal]

Yep, Ann. We do have many similarities! (*wink*)

[DrJ]

What a week. Life would be great if not for clients.

[Ann]

Extraneus,

Is that really your closet on the Audio thread?
You know, cause, you too have been an all time favorite of mine for years, as you know.

And if you ever get tired of that $10,000 Bottega Veneta bag pictured on the left hand corner, well, can I have it? ::Huge Smile::

[cboldt]

Ahh, blame the architect.

Did bad neighborhood design doom Trayvon Martin?

... behavior is not simply a matter of character; it is also a matter of setting.

The gist of the conjecture is based on a supposition that Martin was unfamiliar with the layout. I wonder how many people will buy into this one.

We could blame president Bush, that seems to be in vogue.

[TG]

PJ Tatler: Who Is Responsible for NBC’s Zimmerman Edit? We Have a Name

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/06/who-is-responsible-for-nbcs-zimmerman-edit-we-have-a-name/?singlepage=true

[Ignatz]

--The gist of the conjecture is based on a supposition that Martin was unfamiliar with the layout.--

Hmm, do I take a left or right?
I know, I'll inquire of this white-hispanic gentleman by breaking his nose and slamming his head into the walk.

[centralcal]

$10,000 Bottega Veneta bag pictured on the left hand corner...

Ah, jeez, Ann is a One Percenter! Who knew?

[Janet]

How is it possible to verify that someone was fired if we don't know who it is? Are we now expected to trust them?

Exactly, bob.

[Ignatz]

--What a week. Life would be great if not for clients.--

Would you like to expand on that, doc?

[cboldt]

NBC News officially fired the unnamed producer who was heavily involved in editing and releasing the version of George Zimmerman‘s 911 call that he made as he was following Trayvon Martin.

He's not just fired, he's officially fired.

morally, ethic'lly ... Spiritually, physically ... Positively, absolutely ... Undeniably and reliably ... not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.

[bunkerbuster]

Whether Zimmerman said "coons" has very little bearing on the question of whether he had good reason to believe Martin would injure him seriously.
In Zimmerman's own account, Martin decked him with a single blow and was thrashing his head against the sidewalk.
Yet, we know his injuries were not serious enough to require stitches or other medical attention. In all video and photos available, he looks in fine shape with no visible cuts or bruises.
The Daily Caller, knowing its average reader has the IQ of kelp, openly doctored a photo to make it look more like there was some sort of scrape on Zimmerman's head. The fact that Tom and his choir is perfectly fine with that sort of fabricated evidence puts paid to any claim that have to be any sort of truth cops on this case.
Somehow I doubt the Daily Caller's fabricated evidence, nor the many faked photos of Martin as a gangsta spread across the Internet by avowed white supremacists -- which JOM pretends don't exist -- will play a part in any trial, should one at long last be deemed acceptable as a way to determine Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.
The pattern is clear here and across the wingnutosphere: it's identity conservatives, not liberals, who keep hyping the idea that Zimmerman's alleged racism is the key to this case.
Ordinary Americans, and the media they consume, have focused more on the Sanford PD's decision not to conduct a fuller investigation and the prosecutors decision not to charge Zimmerman based on an incomplete investigation leaving so many unanswered questions.
Racism is obviously a plausible motive for the Sanford PD's and prosecutor's decisions to buy the killer's own account of what took place. It's not the only explanation, of course. Incompetence and laziness is always the first, and most likely, culprit in any screwup.
But whether or not Zimmerman hated Afro-Americans just isn't a key point of this case, no matter how many times you doctor footage and photos to look like he had a scrape on his head...

[cboldt]

Keep practicing that narrative. You wear it well. It suits you. Needs some polish, but you'll figure out the details without help.

Oh, and you are officially fired. Amen.

[DrJ]

Iggie, there are people in the world who are reasonable. Then there are clients who want you to live and breath for their companies, but who pay only reluctantly and seek to shuffle any ill fortunes onto one's shoulders.

I know, I know. Get better clients.

[Ignatz]

--Whether Zimmerman said "coons" has very little bearing on the question of whether he had good reason to believe Martin would injure him seriously.--

Anybody keeping track of how many comments along the lines of "Whether Zimmerman [insert latest lefty meme to die] the fact remains he should be hanged from the yardarm at sunrise" buub and his compadres have posted here?

[sherlock]

"An earlier version of the story truncated George Zimmerman’s quotes..."

More dissembling! When you "truncate" a quote you remove some of the words from the end to give a less-than-complete account of what was said. Truncation is a legitimate part of the editing process, but it must be used carefully so as to avoid taking away too much information.

There is another word entirely for selectively removing words from the middle of a quote to portray a diametrically opposite picture of what was actually said... that is called "lying", and it is used to prevent giving away too much information.

Apparently "lying" is also a legitimate part of the NBC and MSNBC editing process.

[Ignatz]

--I know, I know. Get better clients.--

Doc, that's why I found a niche featuring neither clients nor retail customers.
Figured if I didn't I'd end up on death row.

[narciso]

Interesting how the station logo is WTVJ, but
the video segment doesn't have that tell tale
speech, however those 'telltale words' appear in a nbc miami story dated the 19th

[TG]

"it's identity conservatives, not liberals, who keep hyping the idea that Zimmerman's alleged racism is the key to this case."

From the comments at LI:

polling shows “the black community overwhelmingly believes he was murdered and that police let his killer get away due to racism” (link: http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/140306/ )

Unless you think "the black community" is conservative.........

[Ann]

CC, No, I just know my designers. Hey, are you up for a mud wrestling. We haven't had one of those in ages. (Cute wives never stopped us, have they?)

[DrJ]

Figured if I didn't I'd end up on death row.

Would you put in a good word for me when I head there? :)

[narciso]

As of the previous day, the tapes had not been released, so the meme wasn't available
yet, as with the 'spitting incident' it was being concocted;

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/White-House-Weighs-in-on-Travyon-Martin-Case-as-Protests-Mount-143402066.html

[Ignatz]

--Would you put in a good word for me when I head there? :)--

Absolutely, doc. If you plead it to murder two you'd probably end up in the state pen just down the road here.
I've got three or four good pals that work there; you'll be flush with cigarettes.

[bunkerbuster]

TG: Like I said, the racism allegation applies to the police's failure to fully investigate, leaving so many questions up in the air. The poll data backs me up on that because the question whether the police let the killer get away due to racism.
The fantasy JOM narrative is that if Zimmerman didn't hate Afro-Americans, there was no racism involved in the case is just silly and reflects a broader fantasy about how racism works.

[bunkerbuster]

Ignant: The only call for lynching has been by identity conservatives signing off on Martin's lynching. Ordinary Americans and the media they chose to read and listen to have made absolutely clear that the outrage here is that Zimmerman has not had to face cross examination nor to give testimony under oath or be confronted by witnesses who raise doubts about his story.
You're lying through your teeth, Ignatz, by suggesting liberal commenters here want Zimmerman lynched.

[Captain Hate]

Does anybody other than the identity imbecile use the retro term Afro-American?

Can we have a thread to LOL @ Eldrick for kicking his clubs on the back 9 at Augusta? I think the last time that 9 iron was so abused Elin was swinging it.

[narciso]

Yes, but she did it on purpose, what's Eldrick's excuse, so the apology is more like
Archie's after being hung upsidedown by Otto, very sincere,

[Gmax]

For Bunky

When you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel.

[Captain Hate]

The Golf Channel knobs are all afraid of him so they won't say anything worse than "He lost his temper" when he acts like the world's biggest baby. In back to back groups on 18 Rory and Sergio pull the ball badly to the left. No F-bombs. No club throws.

[Ignatz]

--You're lying through your teeth, Ignatz, by suggesting liberal commenters here want Zimmerman lynched.--

There's a month's worth of crazy ass comments here by your compadres buub, saying that despite what the cops, Zimmerman and witnesses say that he should be in jail or executed. If you don't like that tell them to knock it off.

Your assumption that he would be convicted for, and I quote, "Martin's lynching" constitutes a desire to lynch Zimmerman and is itself a despicable defamation. You just want it to be all nice and legal like.

[Rob Crawford]

bubu:

The only call for lynching has been by identity conservatives signing off on Martin's lynching.

I don't think it's out of bounds to call you a lying piece of shit for this. What was the purpose of the New Black Panther Party "WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" posters? For Spike Lee and others to pass around what they thought was his address?

I have no idea what animates you, bubu, but it becomes clearer and clearer that what matters most to you is your identification with the left-fascist tribe. You don't give a rat's ass about the facts of the case; you want a man ruined (at least) for having the temerity to not surrender his life.

To hell with due process. To hell with presumed innocence. To hell with the right to self defense. YOUR TRIBE WANTS BLOOD. So you will tell any lie to get it.

[Rob Crawford]

When you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel.

But the manure marks him as a member of the collective!

[Rob Crawford]

I look at this case as just more evidence that the left considers the rule of law an impediment to their dreams.

[Ignatz]

--The only call for lynching has been by identity conservatives signing off on Martin's lynching.--

Think about that statement for a minute.
An enterprising attorney could subpoena thousands of blogs for ISPs of retards like young buub here and mulct no small percentage of them for substantial sums, especially those who use their real names. To say nothing of newspapers and letters to the editors, etc.
An ambitious lawyer might make young George [and himself] a billionaire.

[Melinda Romanoff]

"impediment to the herd."

FTFY.

[narciso]

Certainly so, Rob, but what is the end result of this, I don't just mean George Zimmerman's fate, as sad as that is. Lowry, having surrendered the floor, to Sharpton, about a week ago, now rightfully admonishes Derbyshire
for his tribalism, but why did he make that mistake in the first place.

[narciso]

To parody this, would be to require 'crossing
the streams'

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/04/06/dems-turn-passover-into-obama-worship/

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Bunker: Do you deliberately lie about the evidence or are you so uninformed that you don't even know what the evidence is?

You are embarrassing yourself with the ignorance you are displaying here.

I'm not sure what an identity conservative is, but I'm pretty sure I'm not one. You, OTOH, are the quintessential identity moonbat. Try reading or listening to someone other than those hell bent on causing riots. There is no there there for such nonsense.

And at least be truthful. Your lies are getting tiresome.

[Abadan]

" you want a man ruined (at least) for having the temerity to not surrender his life."

It is worse than that, they want a man ruined to advance an ideological point of view. Zimmerman has to be evil/racist/conservative otherwise what does that make them for ruining his life.

Reason has no chance against the amount of self loathing accepting the truth would generate.

[Ann]

All silliness aside, I am leaving this for daddy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/apr/05/leonardo-da-vinci-packing-list?newsfeed=true#

Wow, Wonder what Da Vinci would say about the global warming hockey stick.

Good Night, Patriots

[Frau Doof bleibt doof]

Cleo must be up north running with the #OccupyKidz in SF. This looks like a Pitzer student.

[jimmyk]

I look at this case as just more evidence that the left considers the rule of law an impediment to their dreams.

It's also a good study of how the left is happy to sacrifice one of its own for the cause, Zimmerman being a Democrat Hispanic, but one with the audacity to carry a gun and defend his life with it. The only way he would have been spared is if he'd been a Kennedy.

[narciso]

'Just another guy in the nieghborhood'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/06/Obama-Pfleger-The-Vetting

[bunkerbuster]

Again, I'm the one calling for the fullest possible investigation, a fair trial and a full airing of ALL the evidence.
Wingnuts are the ones insisting that Martin's lynching is fine, based on highly partial, highly contested, shreds of eyewitness testimony and ZERO physical evidence, that appear to show he attacked Zimmerman.
Meanwhile, the JOM choir has but two themes: unwittingly admitting they too agree there should be a trial (by pointing to this or that argument that could be made in Zim's defense) or calling people names.
I'm the one whose position reflects most clearly the incontestible fact that we don't yet know what happened.
Rob, especially, and the rest of the choir, base their entire analysis and response to the situation on the presumption that the killer's side of the story alone is sufficient, while repeating the bald-faced lie that we know for certain that "witnesses" say Martin attacked Zimmerman.
The fact is we have no eyewitness testimony as regards the shooting. The witness cited as backing Zimmerman's story -- "John" -- admits he didn't see the shooting AND didn't see how the altercation started.
Again, an unarmed teenager was shot dead by someone who admitted he pursued the teenager and thought he might have been engaged in a crime. The shooter isn't even arrested, and a full investigation is deemed unnecessary -- barring a full examination of exculpatory evidence, that is a lynching.
Yet JOMers are so spun, so inured to the ludicrous presumptions and propaganda spewed 24/7 by Fox/talkradio and the wingnutosphere, they deem anyone calling for a fair trial as demanding a "lynching."
As for Spike Lee and the splinter Black Panther party group, I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me, and anyone who suggests otherwise is simply lying.
I'm perfectly willing to limit my comments about people posting here to rest exclusively on what they post -- without trying to conflate their views with those of avowed white supremacists, etc -- but it seems a few JOMers are incapable of reciprocating even that minimum level of intellectual integrity...

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Again, I'm the one calling for the fullest possible investigation, a fair trial and a full airing of ALL the evidence.

As long as it finds Zimmerman at fault.

We know this because you keep referring to the Martin "lynching". If you were looking for a full investigation, you'd say "killing": we know he was killed. We most emphatically don't know he was lynched.

[Danube of Thought]

It is a sheer delight to watch the Identity Teenager's morale deteriorate and his claims become more deranged as his hoped-for 1960's template blows up in his face. The Lynch Mob is growing sullen, depressed.

I read elsewhere that the fired NBC producer is a guy named Jim Bell.

[Danube of Thought]

"I'm the one calling for the fullest possible investigation, a fair trial..."

We're gonna try him a little, then we're gonna hang 'im.

[bunkerbuster]

Charlie: I have repeatedly pointed out that a fuller investigation would benefit no one more than Zimmerman -- IF he's innocent.
So your characterization of my position is nakedly dishonest.
More important, perhaps, had the police conducted a full investigation and/or had Zimmerman been arrested, there would be virtually no scope for any allegations of racism, since all parties would have to accept that outcome or argue, somehow, that a fair trial would not lead to the best possible measure of justice under the circumstances.
I don't care whether Zimmerman is found guilty or not guilty of murdering Martin.
As I've said over and over and over again here, the problem I have with this case is that probably cause is undeniable, yet it was denied.

[bunkerbuster]

DoT: Your characterization of my morale as "detiorating'' is almost as lame as your ludicrous assertion that the party demanding a full investigation and trial is a "lynch mob."

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Bunker: You keep claiming that IF the police did a full investigation, blah, blah, blah. This mystifies me. What would be a full investigation over and above spending 7 hours at the scene the night of the incident, and 6 hours interrogating George Zimmerman. They called in Major Crimes. They have 6 witnesses on the record. They have the coroner's report, reports from police officers and paramedics. They are taking it to a Grand Jury. They probably also have the photos of George Zimmerman in close up, they probably have the doctor's report from the doctor GZ saw the following day. By now, they have a full background report on both Martin and Zimmerman. And by now any tox screens should be completed and any other forensic evidence examined.

What else do you want them to do?

Of course, we are not privy to all they have gathered in their investigations, nor should we be at this point.

You stated above that the evidence is "highly contested," which is something you've made up. So far, all the evidence that is public supports George Zimmerman's account of the incident.

[Danube of Thought]

A full investigation is ongoing as ae speak, you hysterical fool. And as due process proceeds, your biased perspective has been fully on display.

[Bruce]

BB - as I read them, the Florida statutes likely prohibit the cops from arresting Zimmerman.

As someone has explained it (somewhat), in many states, self defense is an affirmative defense. That means that the state needs probable cause that a killing occurred and the killer can be arrested. Then, the defendant has the burden of going forward with the affirmative defense of self-defense.

But, Florida is different. Not only must the state show that there is probable cause to believe that Zimmerman was the killer, but also that the killing was not lawful (i.e. not done in self defense).

If there is a trial it should end up the same, regardless. But, what is different are the requirements for an arrest. Knowing that there was probable cause to believe that Zimmerman is the killer would be all that would be needed for an arrest in many states. But, in Florida, they also have to have evidence that the killing was also not in self-defense. And, as long as there is more evidence supporting self-defense, than refuting it, no arrest can legally be made.

Here is the relevant statute:

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

(1) A person who uses force as permitted (…) is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force (…) As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

[bunkerbuster]

DoT calls Sara a "hysterical fool" for asserting a full investigation has been performed. Priceless...

[Jane]

You really should get some sleep Bubu. You sound ridiculous .

[Danube of Thought]

The hysterical fool is the one calling for a "full investigation" even as one is in progress. That is not Sara. That is the Identity Teenager.

The Lynch Mob--Sharpton,Jackson, the NBBP, Calypso Louie and their witless allies have ill served this country.

"It is likely that, if not for conservative new media, the misleading edit, which inflamed racial tensions in the Martin case, and which was repeated by Stetler's own New York Times, would have gone unnoticed and uncorrected. As it is, the producer responsible for the edit at Today has been fired, but the individual who made the same edit to the earlier MSNBC story (since corrected) has not been identified or disciplined. Nor has anyone at any other outlet or network -- many of which made similar selective editing choices -- been punished."

[rse]

DOT-are we in transit?

What's the next city as JOM has its virtual tour while you have a real one?

I want a vista alert.

And that $10,000 BV bag Ann mentioned. Because my own initials are enough.

On a side note-one of my books from playing tiptoe through the footnotes and bibliographies arrived yesterday. Nice surprise. One of the participants in the infamous beer summit had written the foreword and boy was it graphic. I guess he assumed only like-minded friends would ever be reading.

[James D.]

Again, I'm the one calling for the fullest possible investigation, a fair trial and a full airing of ALL the evidence.

Bubu, are you dishonest or just stupid?

Do you not understand that the point of a full investigation is to determine whether or not criminal charges and a trial are warranted or not? They don't go together automatically.

And the fact is that a full investigation clearly was conducted. I'm sure you're upset that the SPD didn't provide names and addresses of all witnesses they talked to, and transcripts of all their interviews, or details of their crime scene reports with helpful reconstructions by the girl who plays Abby on NCIS, but they're not actually required to do that, you know.

[Danube of Thought]

We are now aboard the Viking Odin, still moored. Underway tomorrow for Bratislava.

Dinner last night at Gundel--wonderful, as advertised.