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April 09, 2012

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Extraneus

I think we now know where the NBC "producer" ended up.

Taking a shot at their own? Wisconsin union portrays Democratic mayor as Walker ally

Wisconsin Democrats, in selecting who will challenge Republican Gov. Scott Walker in the state's upcoming recall election, are engaging in a tough fight of their own -- pitting two top Democrats against each other, with unions' influence looming large.

The state’s largest public employee union, AFSCME, directed members to a video blog about recall candidate Tom Barrett, the Milwaukee mayor. The video deceptively paints the picture that Barrett is in synch with Walker, the arch enemy of Wisconsin’s left for his legislation limiting public unions' power.

Barrett is shown shaking hands with Walker. The photo was taken when the two opponents debated, and the video creates the impression that Barrett gave Walker the strategy to force union-crippling legislation through without the return of 14 senators who had fled to Illinois.

The video contains a quote from an interview Barrett did with radio host Charlie Sykes, in which the mayor says, “and the bill will pass, and the bill should pass.”

But the quote was in reference to increased fees for pensions and health care, to which unions had agreed. The editing instead gives the impression that Barrett is supporting limits to collective bargaining.

jimmyk

Would he agree to do it?

I could see Barry agreeing to do it, and then stabbing us in the back FDR-style when he actually made the statement.

Without knowing much about the process in Florida, I would think (or hope) that Corey avoided the grand jury because she trusts herself to make the right judgment more than a potentially politicized grand jury. I also can't believe she would think that this would be a career-booster if she brings a weak or non-existent case to trial. So I'm with our host on this one. No charges unless she is in possession of seriously damning evidence.

Dublindave

I've been thinking about the first time Zimmerman saw Trayvon Martin and what it was exactly that he saw Trayvon Martin do,that led himZimmerman, to believe Martin was up to no good.

When trying to determine if a stranger walking through your neighbourhood is a threat, the only logical evidence one can use to make that determination are the ACTIONS of a said stranger.

Common sense,right?

So I've done a complete recreation of what Zimmerman would have seen when viewing Martin from a distance.

-Subject walking and talking on phone.
-Subject eating skittles.
-subject drinking ice tea.
-subject talking on phone.Laughs.
-subject drinking ice tea.
-subject tries to get out of rain.
-subject continues talking on phone.
-subject eats skittles.


It's funny,and maybe it's just me, but nothing contained in that behaviour would lead me to believe this person was a threat.

The only other evidence we have to make a determination is the person themselves.Their skin color.The way they're dressed.

Still doesn't seem like enough to deem someone a threat,does it?I think it's the eating of the skittles,the drinking of the ice tea and the coy laughter that comes from talking to your girlfriend on the phone.It just doesn't seem compatible behaviour with a criminal about to do a job.

Ignatz

I'm convinced wee Davey and buub are actually on Tom's payroll and are sent here by the boss to entertain the troops and keep JOMers laughing.

Nobody is stupid enough to write this schlock and believe it are they?

narciso

So 'unexpectedly' it would be almost impossible to make this mistake, by accident.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/09/pjtv-exclusive-how-nbc-editors-made-the-zimmerman-911-call-sound-racist/#comments

Extraneus

Source: AP Getty

Just kidding.

NYT

Kidding!

Melinda Romanoff

Ext-

Agenda 21, theft of property. The "mortgage settlement" only covers 1st mortgages. Foreclosures will be moved ahead on seconds or the HAMP rewrites. It creates a new, marketable security class when repacked as a reit, or some such, with performing rental units know owned.

Think Mr. Potter on steroids.

kaz

I've been musing about the whole special prosecutor thing and I have a question I hope one of the more learned can clear up for me.

My impression from reading the last few days is that if everything stays local and Zimmerman is charged and the judge finds the shooting justified then everyone from the town down to the local beat cop loses immunity from civil action for a wrongful arrest.

How does that work with a special prosecutor? Does the same list of people / localities lose immunity or does it ramp up to the state and special prosecutor?

Rick Ballard

"Nobody is stupid enough to write this schlock and believe it are they?"

I've read a Volokh thread which refutes that assertion. There appears to be a substantial circle of jerks operating from roughly the same script. It's almost as much fun as reading Skydragon drivel.

narciso

I think there was an outfit like this in 'Network'

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/04/09/rev-wright-unleashed-white-supremacy-drives-the-world-allah-and-yahweh-are-the-same/#comments

Dublindave

"Nobody is stupid enough to write this schlock and believe it are they?"

I have feeling's you know!

Just kidding.

Anyway,i'm just trying to determine what led Zimmerman to believe that Martin was a clear and immediate threat.

Whatever it was it seemed strong enough for Zimmerman to alert the police to Martin's presence and it gave it also gave him justification to follow and confront Martin.

So far from all the evidence that i've read I've got a kid walking down the street eating skittles and drinking ice tea.To boot,he's on the phone with his girlfriend.

I don't see it.

XBradTC

My impression from reading the last few days is that if everything stays local and Zimmerman is charged and the judge finds the shooting justified then everyone from the town down to the local beat cop loses immunity from civil action for a wrongful arrest.

There's a fine distinction between a custodial interrogation and an arrest. Rule of thumb? They can hold you for 24-48 hours.

cboldt

-- I don't see it. --


You're hallucinating already. Criminey, I get a contact buzz just reading your fabricated "facts.". If you don't "see it" yet, maybe you should try something stronger than the windowpane you're on.

Ignatz

--I've read a Volokh thread which refutes that assertion.--

It was a facetious question Rick, since unlike, say the Kelvin scale, there doesn't seem to be any absolute physical barrier below which lefty intelligence cannot fall.

cboldt

Now there's another oxymoron, "lefty intelligence."

tom maguire

Martin was avoiding the rain by ducking under garage bays and covered patios, per his dad. GF saya he avoided rain uner bldg

narciso

btw, this happened today, in the tree falling
in the woods, genre


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/04/romney-embraces-huckabee-and-so-begins-the-gops-war-on-traditional-conservatism.html

Ignatz

Finally, something Kevin Drum and I can agree on;
Sonia Sotomayor First Disabled Supreme Court Justice though I do take strong exception to the modifier "first".

Ignatz

Oh wait, scratch that. On rereading it Drum meant physically disabled. Never mind.

RattlerGator

cboldt, with all due respect, you say you're not a "lawyer" but if you have a J.D., my friend, you're a lawyer. You may not be a practicing attorney, but you *are* a lawyer.

XBradTC

Anyway,i'm just trying to determine what led Zimmerman to believe that Martin was a clear and immediate threat.

Probably the thing with Martin sitting on his chest and bashing his head. Just guessin'

As to why he thought Martin was exhibiting suspicious behavior? Eh. Dunno. That just comes down to a judgment call. And you sure seem to have displayed remarkably poor judgment since I started reading your comments here. So I'll discount your take on the matter.

Dublindave

"As to why he thought Martin was exhibiting suspicious behavior? Eh. Dunno."

"Eh dunno." That's the evidence you're presenting to demonstrate Martin was a clear and present threat?"Eh dunno".

What a sterling mind you have Sir,don't waste it!

Alright,let's try this one more time.Zimmerman claims Martin is acting suspiciously,so we know he's basing his assertions on actual "actions" being performed by Martin.What are those actions? From the available evidence;

-subject eating skittles
-subject drinking ice tea
-subject laughing on phone with girlfriend
-subject trying to get out of rain

Are you getting anything suspicious from this behaviour?Unless of course he ate skittles 'ominously'.Or he drank his ice tea 'angrily'.

Eating skittles and drinking ice fraking tea.Good grief.Is this behaviour compatible with someone about to commit a crime?

Would you be so sure,you'd call the sandford police and follow the subject while you're carrying a loaded gun in your pocket?



XBradTC

"Eh dunno." That's the evidence you're presenting to demonstrate Martin was a clear and present threat?"Eh dunno".

You do realize, right up to the point the first punch was thrown, there's no criminal conduct on either side, right?

It DOESN'T MATTER why Martin thought he was a suspicious person.

And since we're trying to decide if GZ acted in self defense when he shot Martin, again, it doesn't matter. Heck, under the FL statutes, IT DOESN'T MATTER who threw the first punch.

Ignatz

--Would you be so sure,you'd call the sandford police and follow the subject while you're carrying a loaded gun in your pocket?--

Depends on whether my neighborhood had been burglarized by young black men at least eight times in the recent past, perhaps even by some who partake of the occasional Skittle and duck out of the rain prior to jimmying a door.

Evidently your neighborhood hasn't. Lot's of young black criminals roaming the streets of Dublin Dave?

narciso

OT,There is some signs of intelligent life out there,


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-09/israel-iran-history-holocaust-perverted-in-grass-s-poem.html

clarice feldman

Daily Caller:

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www.google.com/chrome


In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, a family member of George Zimmerman asked the nation’s top law enforcement officer why he has chosen to not arrest members of the New Black Panther Party for their rhetoric — some of which may fit the federal government’s definition of a hate crime — throughout the Trayvon Martin case.

The family member believes the reason Holder hasn’t made those arrests is because he, like the members of the New Black Panther Party, is black.

“I am writing you to ask you why, when the law of the land is crystal clear, is your office not arresting the New Black Panthers for hate crimes?” the family member wrote to Holder.

“The Zimmerman family is in hiding because of the threats that have been made against us, yet the DOJ has maintained an eerie silence on this matter. These threats are very public. If you haven’t been paying attention just do a Google search and you will find plenty. Since when can a group of people in the United States put a bounty on someone’s head, circulate Wanted posters publicly, and still be walking the streets?”


http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/zimmerman-family-challenges-holder-on-new-black-panthers-says-no-arrests-based-solely-on-your-race/#ixzz1razhKonN

bgates

I don't know that it's been proven that Martin had either skittles or iced tea, and even if he had, there's no reason to assume he was consuming either of them while he was out in the rain.

Nothing has been made public to prove he was on the phone with his girlfriend, either.

All that has been made public is the tape of Zimmerman's 911 call, in which he says Martin "looks like he's up to no good. Or like he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."

pagar

"Anyone know where this money goes?"
Mel has covered it well.
The Naked Capitalism site has a few thoughts also.
Some who had homes reprocessed are scheduled to get sums ranging from 1500-2000 dollars.

The real question people need to ask is where is that money coming from:

"2.That $26 billion is actually $5 billion of bank money and the rest is your money. The mortgage principal writedowns are guaranteed to come almost entirely from securitized loans, which means from investors, which in turn means taxpayers via Fannie and Freddie, pension funds, insurers, and 401 (k)s. Refis of performing loans also reduce income to those very same investors."

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/02/the-top-twelve-reasons-why-you-should-hate-the-mortgage-settlement.html

Dublindave

"Depends on whether my neighborhood had been burglarized by young black men at least eight times in the recent past"

Except Zimmermans neighbourhood hadn't been burglaed 8 times in the recent past by young black men.


"Evidently your neighborhood hasn't. Lot's of young black criminals roaming the streets of Dublin Dave?"


Lots of criminals,i'm oblivious to their skin color.

Sylvia

GZ will be charged and convicted. And he will be convicted based on balistics. If the gun shot goes from right to left on TM, then that is proof GZ was lying.

It will be proof that GZ (if GZ was right handed, switch directions if not) shot TM from behind, which would prove he was on top of TM.

Also blood spatter on the ground may prove that TM was shot face down, as well as absence of blood spatter ont GZ's white T-Shirt.

- Also I saw on TV that you only need a grand jury to charge first degree murder, not any other kind like second degree. Second degree is most likely charge.

xbradtc

Except Zimmermans neighbourhood hadn't been burglaed 8 times in the recent past by young black men.

Really? Do try to keep up.

Cecil Turner

Okay, I give up. Is that somebody pretending to be Sylvia making her seem even more batty than usual? Or . . .

clarice feldman

Cecil, no one can be that stupid. Maybe bubu, duda or kk are coordinating with Sylvia.

Sylvia

In addition, there is that stand your ground la, but there are limits to that.

What is important is what was happening AT THE MOMENT TM was shot. GZ said he head was being banged into concrete. That may or may not have happened earlier, since there was no witness to the start of the confrontation.

However, that is immaterial. At the TIME of the shot we have an eyewitness who saw them struggling on the GRASS. Banging your head against grass, is not a lethal problem. Plus it's a lie from GZ.

GZ will get convicted.

bgates

Except Zimmermans neighbourhood hadn't been burglaed 8 times in the recent past by young black men.

It had been burglarized 8 times in the recent past, and CNN reports that in three cases "black males were implicated by witnesses or arrests", while in the other cases there were no witnesses or suspects.

That's not enough to say for sure that the neighborhood had been burglarized eight times by young black men, but it is enough to say the neighborhood had been burglarized eight times in the recent past.

In addition, Zimmerman had called the police earlier in the month to report a black man attempting to break in to a townhouse.

Given that Zimmerman lived in a neighborhood that had been repeatedly burglarized, and he saw a strange man who looked like he was on drugs wandering around in the rain, I don't see anything at all wrong with his decision to approach the stranger and ask what he was doing.

narciso


One of our local legal eagles, Mark Eiglarsh on the increasingly RINO station, said the lack of a grand jury, indicated that Corey was
more likely to indict, because the logic
was if she wanted to exonerate him, she would have convened a grand jury, yes it didn't make any more sense thinking it over, Untergang, all the fun kids are doing it.

Janet

Since when can a group of people in the United States put a bounty on someone’s head, circulate Wanted posters publicly, and still be walking the streets?”

Good for the Zimmerman family.

Captain Hate

I've read a Volokh thread which refutes that assertion

If that site existed to diminish my respect for lawyers, it's hard to imagine it being more effective.

clarice feldman

I think Holder has no answer to that.

narciso

Well lets not entirely throw the baby out with
the bathwater, Captain;

http://volokh.com/2012/04/09/the-washington-post-on-lochner-and-the-aca/#disqus_thread

LouP

Since the leftist world has convinced themselves that GZ's gun is what emboldened him into a tragic confrontation, and therefore guns should be banned...

I'm now wondering how much Gansta'ism emboldened TM into a tragic confrontation.

Why aren't there similar calls to outlaw Gangsta'ism? I'm all for a Federal register of every would-be Gangsta punk wanna-be out there - for a start. Gotta regista gangstas.

Sylvia

See i was just thinking this law is messed up. Let's say GZ refuses to take the stand and testify. So now what? How is he going to prove it was self defense?

I don't think he can rely on just the police reports to do the talking for him, as that is hearsay. If he doesn't take the stand, he will be convicted for murder, as there will be no evidence for self defense.

So he will have to get up on the stand. And he will have to justify all his sayings. Like saying he was on concrete when he wasn't. So his contradictions will sink him.

Ignatz

If that site existed to diminish my respect for lawyers, it's hard to imagine it being more effective.--

Consider the import of that statement, one I happen to agree with, considering the rep lawyers already have (no offense to our crack team of legal beagles intended).

xbradtc

Here's a depressing thought. Sylvia gets to vote, and hers counts just as much as mine.

centralcal

Janet - I just love you! You always get right to the crux of the matter!

Ignatz

I know what happened.
Sylvia felt left out when I mentioned only two of the stooges Tom sends here to entertain us.
Welcome back Moe. Take a bow. Some of your best work.

narciso

OT, I;m thinking did Hofstadler get anything
right,


http://volokh.com/2012/04/09/the-taint-of-social-darwinism/

Sylvia

tom you amuse me to no end.

clarice feldman

Maybe she's just posting from a locked ward.

Captain Hate

I'm not arguing that there aren't some very smart posters and commenters, narc; but the contrast with some of the argumentative dimwits is pretty stark. Then again, I've participated in fuel clause hearings at the Public Utilities Commission of Ahia and God knows how some of the consumer group attorneys ever attained an undergrad degree.

MarkO

Holder's answer is that civil rights laws are intended to be enforced only for the protection of black Americans. White Americans cannot avail themselves of the benefits of legislation specifically enacted to protect black Americans.

As The Old Professor would say, "You can look it up."

Stephanie

Re the skittles and tea...

I asked the other day about those as it was reported that his dad said he had them 'in his pocket.' ISTM that, applying Jim's thesis, he had them in a pocket hoodie and thus they were unopened.

What would a figure in the rain, at night, with a lump of something dragging down the hoodie from the front, meandering from garage cover to garage cover look like to you?

cboldt

Oh wait, what about the "stand on your head" principle, where if the gunshot goes from left to down, you must acquit?

fdcol63

"... Here's a depressing thought. Sylvia gets to vote, and hers counts just as much as mine. ..."

Even more depressing is that there are millions more like her.

cboldt

-- I don't see anything at all wrong with his decision to approach the stranger and ask what he was doing. --


I don't either, but there's no evidence that he intended to approach the stranger or ask what the stranger was doing. The evidence is consistent with keeping visual contact; and his past practice (remember all those calls to police) was to avoid contact, not to make contact.

In both Zimmerman's version of events, and DeeDee's account, it is Martin who speaks first.

Gmax

Black people I was told in some stupid humanities class cant be racists. You see because blacks have no power ( ignor the black guy sitting in the oval office ) they cant oppress anyone. Its all about the man standing on the neck of the proletariat.

Actually its all about the economic system obsessed with the proletariat.

Stephanie

I bet Sylvia thinks north is up on a map, too.

Sylvia is either Daniel Stern or Jon Lovitz. I'm betting Stern as he played a burglar in Home Alone, too. That's how those Hollywood types get all their smarts...

clarice feldman

"
What would a figure in the rain, at night, with a lump of something dragging down the hoodie from the front, meandering from garage cover to garage cover look like to you? "

Mr. Snuffleupagus?


narciso

Where is Joe Pesci in this screenplay,

Janet

Thanks centralcal. I think jimmyk first made the point here about contract killings.
What a mess...

Stephanie

LOL Clarice.

I meant dragging the front pocket of the hoodie down. Most convenience stores sell the 20 oz Arizona Ice Tea and it probably weighs at least a pound. Sweatshirts, when wet, also tend to sag, badly.

Point being he looked like he already had something hidden in his clothing. And he was moving from garage to garage where people tend to store things.

Rick Ballard

"sell the 20 oz Arizona Ice Tea and it probably weighs at least a pound"

Get that to rewrite - stat. Wait a second - you're a natural blond, right?

Captain Hate

Lollerz

xbradtc

Forget it, Rick, she's on a roll.

Pofarmer

"I bet, in hindsight, he wishes he hadn't carried it. When he speaks out, see if that is not one of his remarks."

If he hadn't had it, it would have just been another unremarkable killing in Florida, probably.

Rick Ballard

That's tease, not snark. Stephanie writes tons of great comments.

Threadkiller

A pints a pound, the world around.

Stephanie

It holds 20 oz. of beverage. Does that mean it weighs 20 oz? Never really thought that anyone really believed that.

So all fluids by ounce weigh the same?

Don't think so.

Nice try.

Pofarmer

"Without knowing much about the process in Florida, I would think (or hope) that Corey avoided the grand jury because she trusts herself to make the right judgment more than a potentially politicized grand jury. "

I think seating a Grand Jury for this brings multiple problems. It opens up the Jurors to pressure, and, it also opens them up for remuneration if they don't bring charges. I think a GJ would almost be fearful not to charge.

Gmax

Actually a gallon of water weighs about 8 pounds. 128 ounces is a gallon. So 20/128 = 15.6%. Thus the 20 ounces ( volume liquid measurement ) weighs about 1.25 pounds and that does not include the can.

narciso

Haersh, Rick, that of course is one of those claims that seems to have come out of whole cloth;


http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-Family-Attorney-Phone-Call-Contradicts-Shooters-Claim-143500676.html???

Lifke's AT piece says otherwise, but Dobiyi noProviyi, after everything that has gone before.

Stephanie

I'm still stuck trying to figure out who Joe Pesci or Billy Crystal plays in the movie.

Threadkiller

I bet, in hindsight, Trayvon should have been with the cousin he told his dad he was going to be with.

rse

I just saw an AT story on the UN's World Happiness Report. The report is LUN but it grabbed my eye as I had been tracking an ed idea and had come across an official Irish document from about 2005 stating that primary purpose of govt is to adopt policies to provide for our happiness.

After my say what response, I had been mulling over just how much mischief pursuing that public policy goal will create.

This time instead of a hammer and sickle we get a yellow happy face as the symbol for tyranny. And if you don't think people will go along, remember those young faces at bo's headquarters.

He's for happiness for all. He needs a 2nd term to be able to implement that dream. Good jobs for all even with a sociology/art history major.

Stephanie

Does an ounce of motor oil weigh the same as an ounce of water? Or an ounce of sea water the same as chlorinated?

I really don't remember my physical science class...

cboldt

-- If he hadn't had it, it would have just been another unremarkable killing in Florida, probably. --


I don't know. Zimmerman's account has Martin delivering the death threat only after the gun is revealed; and it is after the gun is revealed and the death threat is made that Zimmerman says he felt his life was in danger.

I think Zimmerman has justification even if the account differs from that, for example, feels at risk of serious personal injury just from being bashed about the head.

Anyway, I was just speculating, somewhat on a hunch. Zimmerman won't speak out until his legal issue is settled, but I'm going to try to remember to look for something along the lines of "wish I hadn't been carrying."

fdcol63

Trayvon should have skedaddled, not skittled.

narciso

I think you're confusing it with City Slicker,
but Jack Palance was in that one;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Alone

Stephanie

This time instead of a hammer and sickle we get a yellow happy face as the symbol for tyranny. And if you don't think people will go along, remember those young faces at bo's headquarters.

Isn't Walmart on the list of evil oppressors those kids regularly rail against?

All restaurants department stores are Taco Bell Walmart.

Threadkiller

Is a ton of feathers lighter than a ton of bricks?

DrJ

Does an ounce of motor oil weigh the same as an ounce of water?

Not quite, but close.

Or an ounce of sea water the same as chlorinated?

Also pretty close. Neither are right on, but for a first approximation they are OK assumptions.

clarice feldman

20 oz is a lb and quarter in my book and I'm sticking with it.

narciso

OT, how stupid is Ozzie Guillen, after 60 million in tax payer funds to that Ziggurat
to Ego, he goes and praises Fidel, he's said
similar idiocy in the past, re Chavez, and I'll bet he was talking with Tim Padgett who sees nothing wrong with this,

Pofarmer

We'll never know, cboldt. If Zimmerman had been knocked unconscious, you're really only one blow with anything lying around to death or serious injury, and, buy the story I have, no one was coming to his aid.

cboldt

What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead? Answer - they both weigh a pound.

Oil floats on water. But people readily say a gallon of oil is heavier than a gallon of water, because they associate viscosity with density.

pagar

O/T
"Even more depressing is that there are millions"-- of people who will vote for a regime that spends millions on:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/your-tax-dollars-at-work-obama-commits-5-million-to-go-green-with-cow-poop/

Wonder how much the ethanol plant has been subsidized already?

Zerohedge says it a little better but it amounts to the same thing-- a 5 million dollar manure spreader and of course it'll never come in on budget so it'll end up being a 7 or 8 million dollar deal.

Stephanie

Actually, narc. based on my comment at 10:05 and then with the one at 10:36, I think I've got about three movies woven into the fabric of this thread.

Jon Lovitz Daniel Stern - City Slickers II (north on a map).

Daniel Stern - Home Alone (playing a character makes you an expert in that character's fields of expertise, too - burglar)

All restaurants are Taco Bell - Demolition Man.

We play the movie game at home all the time. Movie reference with a quick shout of 'what movie' and then the guessing commences. Tis why I usually don't miss your movie references :D

Prof Logansteen

If he was carrying a 20oz can of mercury, his hoodie would be dragging on the ground.

DrJ

Argh -- I was talking about density, not weight. I assume that 20 oz is the volume, right (fl. oz.)? Then the weight would proportional to density given a fixed volume.

I admit that I'm useless for the English system for these sizes -- for me, they are in grams or milliliters.

Or more likely, mg and microliters.

clarice feldman

Niters.

Enlightened

-Subject walking and talking on phone.
Unfamiliar subject walking in the rain at night without hood on
-Subject eating skittles
Unopened bag of skittles found in pocket
-subject drinking ice tea
Unopened can of tea found in pocket
-subject talking on phone.Laughs.
Unfamiliar subject spots Zimmerman, pulls hood on and starts to run and dart in and out of porches
-subject drinking ice tea.
Wrong - unless you figure he opned the can and then put it back in his pocket while still open
-subject tries to get out of rain
By darting in and out of other peoples porches and possibly backyard overhangs
-subject continues talking on phone.
And actively decides to evade Zimmerman and "lose" him
-subject eats skittles.
Wrong again

And BTW - how about you tell us how someone with two hands can 1) hold skittles bag 2) hold Tea can 3) hold phone 4) talk and laugh on phone while shoving skittles and tea down his throat 5) run to get out of the rain - all whilst being terribly frightened of Zimmerman

Bruce

Someone above asked whether Zimmerman would testify, if he went to trial. My guess is that his team would play it by ear. There is no requirement that they tip their hand as to whether or not he testifies, before they rest their case. So, if the prosecution puts on a weak case, they might play it safe, and not put him on the stand. But, then, that also depends on how good of a witness his defense team thinks he is. That, is if the prosecution survives a directed verdict (or, whatever it is called in criminal court) - but a lot of judges take them under advisement, and only rule on them if the jury returns a guilty verdict, figuring that it is better for the jury to acquit than the judge.

I expect that Zimmerman will have a decent defense team. A legal defense fund has already been set up, and I expect that a lot of people will see contributing to it to get him acquitted to be a good way to spit in the eyes of the President, Democrats, Black leadership, and esp. the MSM.

Should be interesting.

boris

A quick google seems to confirm my recollection that a "fluid ounce" is a measure of volume, not weight. Probabaly the volume one ounce of water occupies.

So 16 fluid ounces of liquid nitrogen weighs a lot less than a pound.

narciso

Well I'm goofing off, because this whole thing
has become dangerously absurd, I was wrong it was Sean Gregory, that Ozzy spilled his guts
to in Jupiter, no less,

Threadkiller

Which produces more energy, one pound of dollar bills or one pound of cow poop?

Stephanie

Volume = weight? I don't think so. The Arizona Ice Tea 20 oz refers to package volume.

From Wiki:

At a temperature of 20 degrees C or 68 degrees Fahrenheit, a (U.S.) gallon of pure water weighs about 8.34 pounds, whereas a gallon of vehicular gasoline weighs about 6.15 pounds at that temperature.

Diesel weighs about 7.1 pounds per gallon.

Though the question appears to be about weight, it is actually about density, which is weight per unit of volume.

The SI-Unit of density is the kilogram per cubic metre, and expressed in those units, the densities are these:

Water: 998 kg/m3

Gasoline: 720 kg/m3

Diesel: 830 kg/m3

cboldt

-- If Zimmerman had been knocked unconscious, you're really only one blow with anything lying around to death or serious injury ... --

I agree with all that. I'm just speculating about Zimmerman's state of mind. I don't think he was in that mode of fear until the gun was revealed and the death threat came, and that was over a minute into the beating. He may feel some guilt (not that he should), and speculate in hindsight that Martin would have been satisfied that Zimmerman was beat, but not dead - or stopped by police soon enough.

No legal point to my idle speculation, at all. Just a hunch about Zimmerman's current state of mind.

Gmax

Anyone ever been to Bucharest, Romania? And would you ride a train out of Bucharest up to either Budapest or Prague?

Ralph L

Someone should tell Maguire that Comcast now owns NBC, not GE.

So, how close is a fluid ounce of water to an ounce in weight, or are they equal (at a certain temperature & altitude) by definition? I have to say, I've never thought about this. One of you cooks should know the answer.

cboldt

What has more energy, a pound of chocolate chip cookies, or a pound of TNT?

The cookies do - really. What makes TNT interesting is it's ability to release it's energy quickly.

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