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April 17, 2012

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NK

Porch-- I agree, that was my parent experience with teacher unions in the 90s

Porchlight

Thanks, NK. Her teacher (who is a huge exception to the ed students in my last comment) has done really great things for her. I just wish I had more time to spend on it.

Captain Hate

Didn't know that, Porch; yeah good that it finally happened but all that time hobnobbing with Scorsese and doing movie scores could've been interrupted to spend some quality time with somebody he spent a lot of time on the road with.

Not sure why The Band achieved the fame they did because they were such a change from what else was going on in rock at the time (and being on Capital wasn't exactly owning the keys to the mint). The tie-in with Dylan certainly didn't hurt (and the complete Basement Tapes remains some of my favorite Dylan) but there was something else going on that let their musical excellence get a better reception than other groups would have received.

Per Tammy Bruce: Why are Nugent's comments getting more run than Calypso Louie's?

Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)

I think teachers should be paid a lot less, particularly if they don't pay for their benefits. That way only people who love teaching will go into the profession. I'm all for merit pay once you get there.

rse

By the way I explain in detail precisely what happened and why. Fascinating stuff really in that truth is stranger than fiction.

Ben is wrong about NCLB. The urban districts who belong to Council of Great City Schools, which includes austin, went ahead and implemented the controversial practices and policies from the 1990s Goals 2000 and School to Work. The ATL cheating scandal is basically a reflection that those "reforms" needed different means of measuring results. When Goals 2000 failed, there was no enactment of what was called The New Standards Project-the new forms of assessment that are not tests as we know them. First thing bo did with his stimulus act, ARRA, was fund those new forms of assessment.

The attitude in education is if you insist on monitoring what we are doing to your children, we will just rig the measurements. The consensus is as long as parents are told good things and see acceptable grades, they will not notice a change in emphasis.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

I think Michael Barone wrote a book positing that in the US schooling through grade 12 can be pretty haphazard but there is real competition in the work world. Whereas in ROW (rest of world) there is often intense competition up to 12th grade. Then, if successful, the student goes from a good university to a government sinecure and coasts for the rest of their life.

Perhaps the increased standardized testing in elementary and high school is partly a movement towards the Euro, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, etc model.

I do know we had one offspring remark "Great. I get to compete with Asians in school and then I'll move on to the competitive US working environment. I have the worst of both worlds."

Dave (in MA)
Wasn't Helm the one that broke the silence on what a prima dona Robertson was? Great guitar player but pretty much a prick otherwise and tapped out on musical ideas after an, admittedly, great run. Plus Helm was an excellent multi-instrumentalist, as were all The Band members.
It was interesting to read Helm's This Wheel's on Fire and Across The Great Divide, which was written mostly from the Robertson perspective. I got them both about the same time. I'm sure the real story is somewhere in between. I would have to say that RR's put out some good albums since the breakup, but he's not what you'd call prolific. What's really amazing is that Ronnie Hawkins is still at it 10 years after being given 6 months to live with pancreatic cancer.
Jack is Back!

I go with Porch and NK.

From my observation as a former student, collegian, parent and school board member any education is enhanced by parental or guardian involvment. In college, both under and post, I used friends, facualty and other resources to complement my own learning shortcomings if they were there. My kid knows that I and his mother are always there for him to augment his studies and give him the right environment at home to learn.

I know its harder for working parents to find the energy to work with their kids every night if need be but it pays off in the end. Just showing interest at the dinner table or while playing BBall or catch. Since he is in a car-rider school (no busing) we spend 15 minutes each way discussing his schoolwork and if he is having problems and what are they, etc.

Parenting: The Fix to Education.

Porchlight

At a teacher/parent conference I asked my son's teacher why he could read and not spell; her response? "We don't feel it necessary they learn to spell because of 'Spellcheck"..

Arrgh. My sympathies. I had a similar conversation with a friend who is a high school history teacher. "They can look it up on Google." I kid you not. As if you would know what to look up if you knew nothing about a subject. Or be able to evaluate what you found.

My reply: "Well, there are such things as calculators but we still teach them how to do arithmetic."

He didn't have a response to that.

Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)

This is hysterical.

rse

Nothing unintended about the consequences. I have all the blueprints. The actual declarations of what was to be changed and why and who the advocates are.

One point I make is the role of the inadvertant change agent. If x policy's developers wanted to gut academics and tell the future teachers or admins that it makes learning stick better, the actual gutting may be unintended by the implementor even though it was intentional by the designer.

Captain Hate

"We don't feel it necessary they learn to spell because of 'Spellcheck"..

I don't know what's worse: That she thought that was a good response or that she thought you would accept that as a valid explanation. I went through a similar song and dance when my wife and I complained that our daughter couldn't put together a coherent sentence and the response was "She's one of the best in her class". After she spent a small number of sessions with a tutor at Bard College, at the suggestion of one of her profs which we demanded she follow, her writing skills have been outstanding.

Clarice

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-tQCLy5tk9dI/T47nYCn0cpI/AAAAAAAAdfw/m8_PhazoJ88/bo-dogcone%252520copy_thumb%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800


A great campaign poster--for the chilrun

Porchlight

Not sure why The Band achieved the fame they did because they were such a change from what else was going on in rock at the time

Cap'n, there was a real interest in roots rock at the time. CCR and all those California hippie bands. Three Dog Night was sort of a Band ripoff but that was a little later. I wasn't really there obviously, but you probably remember. Dylan was probably the key. Agree about Basement Tapes.

Boy they were fabulous at the top of their run. Mr. Porch's band gets compared to them all the time; probably too flattering on the whole, but there are some real similarities to be sure.

Dave (in MA), I didn't know that about Ronnie Hawkins. Wow. 10 years with pancreatic cancer is simply astounding.

Jack is Back!

Porch,

This will warm the cockles of Clarice's heart: Frederick and his class are learning cursive and are keeping weekly journals of 3 X 7 sentance paragraphs - all in neat cursive.

Next up: Latin:)

rse

Frau's friend and Obama ed advisor during 2008 campaign Linda Darling Hammond is the source for that just look it up on google.

The idea is that people do not need pesky facts in their head. Just the ability to look it up and apply. Hopefully to complex social problems in need of group solutions eveloped by consensus.

Porchlight

JiB, I'm so envious! They don't teach cursive in the public schools anymore, as you probably know. My daughter really wants to learn. I might actually look into hiring a tutor, as crazy as it sounds. She would love it.

Porchlight

Sad, rse. Bless you for the work you're doing.

Clarice

The SAT was the first multiple choice test my son ever took and he had to study from practice tests to get the hang of it.I'm from the old school--no multiple choice tests.

Treacher:
Chicken poodle soup"

Clarice

Souper, Jane!!

Ignatz

--"We don't feel it necessary they learn to spell because of 'Spellcheck".--

LOL.
Do people like this ever consider what happens when kids learn to use the "Add To Dictionary" button?

NK

BenF/JiB/Porch/CaptH-- who would have thought that TomM's posting about FLOTUS nonsense would create uniform opinions by you all about sloppy public school unionized teachers and parent involvement. BenF-- spell check? that's about the most benign thing I heard, I was more ticked when teachers told me correct answers aren't important-- 'trying' is what matters. uh no-- trying and learning correct answers is what matters. Anyeway-- Kumbaya

rse

jib-one of the reasons my eldest had such nice penmenship in cursive was all the construction with Legos he did when he was young. Later translated into excellent markmanship.

This whole dog eating story will bring out worst in bo. He doesn't have the disposition to deal with being source of all these jokes and visual images.

He really likes the halo visuals.

Clarice

Porch--a free online primer on cursive writing for kids:http://www.handwritingforkids.com/handwrite/cursive.htm

narciso

Well what look we have here;

http://minx.cc/?post=328523

Jack is Back!

Jesse Kelley wins GOP primary in AZ-08 for Giffords former seat. Moe Lane has the story.

NK

Jane-- Iwant that in bumpersticker form. Fab!!

NK

BenF-- I am sure the spell check was union instigated policy-- race to the lowest commen denominator of the laziest teacher. private school? you may not have been thrilled with your choice, but like the other parents here you did what you thought was best for your kid. That's our duty, that's what parents do.

Captain Hate

Boy they were fabulous at the top of their run. Mr. Porch's band gets compared to them all the time; probably too flattering on the whole, but there are some real similarities to be sure.

Yeah they were outstanding during their run. The self titled second album (which was the first I got when I lost a bet with a guy and he got the only copy of Grand Funk Railroad; a true sign that there is a benevolent God who watches over me) didn't have a less than outstanding cut on it; any working band today would be well advised to have something like "Rocking Chair" or "Whispering Pines" on their set list.

I think part of the reason the Gourds might get compared to them, besides the roots music thing, is they have distinctive and strong vocalists. Helm, Danko and Manuel all had their own distinctive sounds that Robertson was able to incorporate well into his songs.

NK

BenF-- pushing the envelop and horryfying adults-- that's what kids do. Kids and parents have different job descriptions. That's the deal.

Nero

Latin next?

semper ubi sub ubi

Captain Hate

I just pulled him out of the school and put him in private school. Not much better because I couldn't afford a great school.

You get an A for effort for at least doing what you could; one of the best investments you could've made in him. We did the same for the younger one (and bit the bullet to pay college type prices) but the older wanted to stay in the public school (she did have two excellent teachers, calculus and chemistry, who showed that there were still some diamonds in the rough; but all in all it was a poor experience).

narciso

Apparently we are 'barking up the right tree' couldn't resist;

http://now.msn.com/now/0418-obama-dog-book.aspx

NK

Careful CaptH-- you are going to prove to everyone you have that heart of gold jimmyK says you have.

NK

BenF-- I agree with your 2:12-- when a hard working teacher is told not to force kids to go to a dictioanary and check spelling (BTW where is spellcheck on this blog, my typing is appalling) because it shows up other teachers and is 'unfair', what is the normal reaction of the good teacher? My only point is public education needs more parenting and less unionism. That's all.

Captain Hate

NK, I'm still pissed at jimmyk over that.

narciso

Speaking of which, I guess he thinks it's mission accomplished;

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/18/joe-kennedy-iii-calls-for-ending-cheap-oil/

narciso

On a more serious note;

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/17/irs-responds-to-pro-marriage-group-is-taking-alleged-leak-very-seriously/

jimmyk

Aw c'mon, CH, I didn't say anything that everyone here can't tell already.

narciso

Now mind you, this is a 'tree falling in the forest' situation;

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/18/current-tvs-cenk-uygur-to-bill-oreilly-youre-a-goddamn-nazi-video/

Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)

Narciso,

I'd bet a lot they aren't taking it seriously at all.

Jack is Back!

BenF,

"Spell check?" Why stop there. No need to learn math either with the advent of calculators. I have always been surprised that the education nazi's didn't insist on dropping 'Rithmatic in favor of increasing the value of Hewlett Packard and Texas Instruments stock price.

Captain Hate

Now mind you, this is a 'tree falling in the forest' situation

I really don't have a dog in that fight::notmichaelvick::

narciso

And the hits keep on coming .No Mas,


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/296353/peter-beinart-s-zionism-noah-glyn

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

"I want some biscuit for small, young dogs," he said to the clerk.
"Any special brand, sir?"
The greatest pistol shot in the world thought a moment. "It says 'Puppies Bark for It' on the box," said Walter Mitty.

pagar

IMO, JiB is right, Muslims do not eat dog.
Obama's time in Indonesia was Muslim time.

I believe the education industry would improve within hours if the teacher unions were put out of business.

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/15/nyc-teachers-union-forces-city-to-reinstate-14-teachers-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-involving-students/

cathyf

It's not the teachers unions that are causing it -- the union ethos is merely an effect. I lived in South Carolina (state motto: "Thank God for Mississippi or we'd be last in everything") for 6 years. It's not just that there are no teachers unions there, unions are universally held in great disdain by South Carolinians of all stripes. The schools there are terrible without any union input whatsoever. Because the anti-intellectualism of the profession comes from the anti-intellectualism of the teacher colleges and the state boards of education. The only reason that teachers unions are anti-learning is that their members are teachers.

narciso

THat's probably true,Cathy, but it's part of the same problem, innumeracy and illiteracy
as the goal,

peter

so let me get this straight--the smartest President evah! not only didn't write Dreams, he didn't read it?

NK

Peter-- fantastic snark.

Clarice

Treacher's on a roll--Dreams from my Schnauzer http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/18/dreams-from-my-schnauzer/

Clarice

Truth in food labeling


http://store.barackobama.com/knit-obama-dog-sweater.html?related_referrer_id=14759?source=tws

Porchlight

Cap'n, you're right on track about the multiple vocalists (and songwriters). Almost all my fave bands have the same thing going on.

NK

Wait-- that photo of 'Bam with the moronic PWD in the car really was done by Axelrod? Man-- stick it to 'Bam about dogs over and over-- no mercy.

NK

PS: and then that fatassed nitwit plays up her dad's MS, when Ann Romney HAS MS. I've seen better organized riots than 'Bam 2012.

Clarice

New Judge in Martin case

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - The judge presiding over the Trayvon Martin shooting case on removed herself Wednesday after the attorney for defendant George Zimmerman argued she had a possible conflict of interest that related to her husband.

Judge Kenneth M. Lester Jr. will preside over the case. The next judge who would be in the court rotation, John D. Galluzzo, also cited a conflict, so Lester was selected, according to a news release from the court.

Florida Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler had said she would make a decision by Friday, when a bond hearing for Zimmerman had previously been set. Her husband works with Orlando attorney Mark NeJame, who was first approached by Zimmerman's family to represent the neighborhood watch volunteer.

NK

Thanks Clarice-- well that answers that question-- Florida Circuit Court Judges have more integrity than Justice Kagan, who refused to recuse despite the obvious appearance of Obamacare bias problem.

Clarice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6lYxIsFt8&feature=player_embedded
Dog has change of heart.

Clarice

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/582709_10150779540355896_256566055895_9532006_1703292821_n.jpg


More for the kiddies and moron voters.

Clarice

Don't ask me for dogmeat recipes. I'm not going there.

Clarice

http://dogsagainstobama.tumblr.com/


Lots of goodies..My favorite http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2oldbc2FS1ru80w0o1_500.jpg

Clarice

Taranto BOTW:
"On the other hand, Obama was 33 when he published "Dreams From My Father," in which he recounted this tail--oops, tale--with no evident repugnance. Anyone who argues that the Lolo story is irrelevant while the Seamus one is fair game seems to us to be barking up the wrong tree. Geraghty closes his initial post on the subject with an astute observation:

In 2008, John McCain's presidential campaign wouldn't have touched this anecdote with a ten-foot pole. Between this and the Romney camp's rapid response to the [Hilary] Rosen comments, we are seeing a Republican presidential campaign that is exponentially faster on its feet and way more nimble than the previous general-election campaign against Obama.
Part of the reason for that is in 2008 Obama didn't have a record to defend, so that he ran a campaign that was part hope-and-change and part an attack on the incumbent, who wasn't on the ballot. This time around, his campaign is nasty by necessity, which makes it vulnerable in new ways. As with the "war on women," this dog fight is a dispute that the Obama campaign started.

Then again, somehow in 2008 the passage of "Dreams From My Father" that Treacher highlights escaped the notice of the watchdogs of the press, which is why it is news now, four years later and 17 years after publication. If a Republican turned out to have eaten dog meat as a child, the mainstream media's vetting would have included a visit to the veterinarian."

AliceH

Jim,MtnViewCA at 02:44

That's it!

Melinda Romanoff

Dick Clark has passed away at home.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Obama:
"If you like your healthcare, you can keep your healthcare."

PoliPundit:
"If you like your dachshund, you can eat your dachshund."

Strawman Cometh

I hope people remember Obama's Bijon Dijon the next time the Dems try to scare granny with horror stories of evil Republican budget cuts that would have seniors eating cat food

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/18/dreams-from-my-schnauzer/#ixzz1sQQZnOgz

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

World's oldest teenager dies of heart attack. Justine mourns.

Many of you won't even know what that means.

Clarice

From a Michelle Obama's Mirror poster:
There wuz a lib who ate a dawg
Obama wuz his name - O
O-B-A-M-A
O-B-A-M-A
O-B-A-M-A
Obama wuz his name!

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

AliceH:
yes, I want to grow up to be like Narc! :)
when you mentioned that he could figure it out, I just had to know.

Clarice, that tumblr site may cost me my professional reputation. I had to stifle my laughter and tears were streaming from my eyes.

MarkO

Killer on Bandstand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidFipyLG8k

So sad.

Clarice

On another thread SBW related that he's related to Dick Clark--who was his great aunt's son.

peter

Just think, Obama has lost the hippie-Vegan-I live-alone-with-my-pets vote in just a matter of 24 hours. Gotta love it.

BB Key

Good for Romney : "this election will be about jobs not dogs "

AliceH

Peter@4:59 - not only that, but the Seamus-on-the-car story has been neutered (heh) for good, thank Dog.

Clarice

Worse, peter. He can kiss the Weekly Reader poll goodbye.

AliceH

They still publish Weekly Reader?

I used to LOVE that. Learned a lot about the coming ice age, and how I needed to write my congressman to save the wild mustangs. Wait.

Ignatz

--Just think, Obama has lost the hippie-Vegan-I live-alone-with-my-pets vote in just a matter of 24 hours. Gotta love it.--

Was tooling around this morning listening to the Sirius/XM New Wave station and the Jewish, New Jersey, disc jockey girl mentions that Debby Harry of Blondie fame contributed some song to some lame new album in support of the "Occupy" movement. She explains to her listeners;
"You know the Occupy movement; Mostly they just smell. God, I can smell them from here."
Needless to say I loved it.

When you've lost female Jewish disc jockeys from Jersey you're in trouble.

Ignatz

Muslims are forbidden to eat dog.
They also are forbidden to drink alcohol and have sex with other men.

I am almost certain no muslim routinely does either of those things either....unless you count about half the dudes in the Middle East.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

"PoliPundit: If you like your dachshund, you can eat your dachshund."

Misattributed, should be Treacher, linked by Poli.

Clarice

Yes, Alice. And it still has the most consistently correct polling record for presidential races.

Clarice

Heh
Obama dog dining on Twitpic

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Are you old enough to remember Justine, Ben?

Captain Hate

Porch, I ran across this at a music site where Dave and I post:

Richard Thompson on The Band - Music from Big Pink 1968

Ex-Faiport folk-rocker wanted to join the group that cut this great Americana milestone.

Big Pink came as a bit of a shock back in 1968. It seemed to vault over the zeitgeist, back to purer roots, a kind of counterculturecounterculture. The psychedelic bands were playing bits of blues and country, but The Band seemed to have real authority and a perfect synthesis of Americana styles. And they wore suits! And they had short haircuts! They had a profound, long-lasting effect on the groups around the London scene, and everybody was trying to play that slow 4/4 groove as featured on "The Weight".

I think The Band must have invented that feel. I can't really see a direct precedent, but it was the perfect antidote to hippie excess and sloppiness. Those boys certainly knew how to play on the back of the beat. What a rhythm section, Danko and Helm - not many their equal in popular music; Garth the mad professor on keyboards, great guitar from Robbie, three superb singers.... what else do you need?

I suppose the other surprise was that the album didn't sound much like the guys who back Dylan on the '66 tour, where tempos were up, and playing was intense.

I loved the songwriting style, which seemed to have roots all over the place, but which was distinctive, and often seemed based on common band experience, so that whoever was chiming in on vocals would know quite a bit about the subject matter. "Tears of Rage" is still one of the great Dylan covers, and it remains a definitive version. The next album, The Band (1969), is a better record overall, but for shock value, Music from Big Pink has to be one of the most important records in music history.

--Richard Thompson, Uncut, August 2005

Porchlight

Clarice, thanks for that handwriting link!

Cap'n, that is really neat from Thompson. I guess it did seem pretty radical at least to the Brits. And he is right about the "feel" and I agree about the Big Pink Tears of Rage being the definitive version as well. It's been in my head all day, as a matter of fact.

I don't know if I mentioned it at the time but the Gourds took a detour up to Big Pink a couple of years ago and knocked on the door. The musician couple who lives there were happy to give them a tour, including, of course, the basement. Which is apparently tiny. The couple also gave them a dried gourd - which the wife, oddly, had in her hand when they knocked on the door - she had just found it out in the garden. It's still in the van for good luck.

Captain Hate

Porch I think I remember the story but I never get tired of hearing stuff like that. I'm a huge RT fan and was glad to read his take on it. Too bad our friend PUK can't lend his unique perspective.

This whole discussion has prompted me to listen to "Jericho" for the first time in years; great to hear when Levon and the boys were still in good voice. Incredible that Robertson and Hudson will be the only ones left. I just looked up Garth to make sure I hadn't missed anything; he's got a great website that gets updated fairly regularly. I always figured he'd survive, barring an accident or illness, and that Manuel would be the first to go. I'm not particularly happy about being right about some of that.

Porchlight

It really sucks, Cap'n.

If you can see Mr. Porch's photo via my FB page, you'll note Big Pink in the background. I can send you the rest of the photos he took.

The night I met Mr. Porch, as a matter of fact, one of the first things I said to him (I was so dorky) was "You look a lot like Levon Helm."

On our first anniversary we were in New Orleans and stopped at a photography gallery. Since the first anniversary is the "paper" one, we bought a signed print of this 1969 Elliott Landy photo of The Band, posed with Garth Hudson's Hudson:

We still haven't framed it. I guess it's time.

I'm pretty bummed out.

Captain Hate

Dorky my ass; Mr Porch was hooked from that point on.

Excellent anniversary present; my favorite picture of the boys. Sometimes I wish I could travel back in time and experience them new again.

Porchlight

Well, not to flatter myself, but yeah, he was. :)

Listening to that full Basement Tapes boot about ten years really opened my eyes/ears. I had never heard the whole thing before.

Now that's a topic for another thread - if you could go back in time, what shows/recording sessions would you see?

narciso

ok, I admit I didn't get the Levon Helm references, until I saw the American Digest segment.

Captain Hate

Oh Porch; the whole thing is the maximum schiznit. As good as the "official" version is (dear God I banged that sucker for about a solid week) the robber barons at Clodumbia earned every effing bit of my scorn for doing it the way they did. I almost sprung for a Scandi bootleg copy of the whole thing for mucho coin and would've dropped it if I didn't really really hate the owners of the dump selling it; only to download it for free a few years ago.

Porchlight

Damned if my home-burned copy hasn't deteriorated fatally over time, Cap'n. I need to find it again. Only now it will just make me sad.

Porchlight

And I agree about the Columbia version but at least they put some of it out there and every track was good. Since I didn't have reliable access to boots in my formative years, I might never otherwise have heard it at that crucial time. You know what I mean - at 25, it's life-changing, but at 35, it's too late.

Captain Hate

Some of my homemade burns have been going tits up lately. File under NOT HAPPY

Porchlight

Yeah, it makes one worry about digital files in general. From my archivist training it is pretty clear that digital is by far the most fragile medium from a preservation perspective.

Captain Hate

Well of course what was released was good; but that's like saying Lonesome Dove was good while leaving out Woodrow Call taking Gus McCray's body back to south Texas. Plus for some unknown reason those bastids released it in mono and the originals were recorded in gorgeous stereo. W.T.F.

But yes, hearing the abridged release set the table for the Thanksgiving feast of the complete sessions; alternate cuts and all. Truth be known, I probably couldn't have handled them all at once but they left out plenty of gems for no good reason.

Porchlight

True, Cap'n but back when it was compiled/released it just wasn't all that feasible to put out that many hours' worth of material on LP/cassette/8-track. They had to cull it, really.

Captain Hate

Also the differences in how burns are made versus commercial cds will probably produce quicker degradation, if I'm understanding them correctly. Anyway there's no perfect medium. Magnetic tapes will develop an echo over time caused by the wound tape being in physical contact with the earlier layer on the reel.

Porchlight

I dunno, I think LPs are pretty good. Not perfect but of all the things you can toss in a closet or basement and have them still be playable 50-100 years later, vinyl is right up there.

Captain Hate

Ahhh yes, thanks for reminding me that I got it on lp. Although the thought of it being on 8 track just made me vomit in my mouth a bit.

You're right; they had to cull it. I still think they could've done it better. Do you know if Dylan or the Band ever commented on it? I'm thinking no; like most artists they were probably more concerned with what they were working on at the time.

Porchlight

Come on now, 8-track on a quality player can be downright decent though nothing like vinyl. I don't know if they ever commented; Columbia was pretty powerful in those days. I think artists were used to not having much say about those things back then. Who knows - maybe they didn't want it released at all. Artists are weird esp. Dylan. There is probably a backstory there.

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