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April 03, 2012


Melinda Romanoff

"Any voice under stress will be easily identified by a family member, so a software program should be able to do it even faster."

This is their logic?

I'd let them blow themselves up on this one, TM.


I'd let them blow themselves up on this one . . . AGAIN. There . . . fixed it for ya.

O Bloody Hell

The race baiters in this case have gotten just enough rope to hang themselves with.


Will they apologize, to Zimmerman, the public, those who foolishly listened to them?

Nawwwww. That would require them to have any shame, and if they had any shame, they'd never have done this in the first place.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

We interrupt this discussion with a public service announcement from TMZ:

Say what you will about 21-year-old Levi Johnston, but his sperm is world class -- he's gotten another girl pregnant out of wedlock.
Melinda Romanoff


Another misplaced body condom, I see.


NBC "regrets" editing of audio.

"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers."

Error? Like it was unintentional? And note that the apology is to their viewers, but not to George Zimmerman. Jerks.



Ah, TMZ, the 6th level of hell, OTOH, Maybe Kate Beckinsale might redeem this film yet;


Rob Crawford

So we have to read this silly management fad book for work. At one point the authors have an anonymous person trying to motivate a CEO they name but I won't: "See, when Alexander the Great reached India, he had his men burn their ships. Then he told them the only way to get home was to win!"

Except that Alexander the Great marched overland to India. And his army eventually revolted, refusing to go any farther east. Reading that struck me like the line from Animal House: "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"

I suspect they were attempting to recall what one of the conquistadors -- Pizarro? -- did. Or maybe Julian the Apostate, but that turned out worse than Alexander's campaign. Regardless, why should I trust what they have to say when they can't do a little research to get an anecdote right?


Cortez, crikey they went full 'Otto' from 'Wanda' or they could be confused with Xenophon's Anabasis

Danube of Thought

Seems the truth is finally getting its boots on.

Danube of Thought

I will try for the third time to post this: it was Cortez. He scuttled his ships.


Sometimes, Danube, then people can't recognize
it, in the LUN


Who wrote that silly book, Rob,


Is the president delusional? Now he is telling the media how to do their jobs.LUN

It seems he knows how to do everyone's job but his own.

Danube of Thought

Just to set the record straight, one of Obama's former students tells us precisely what part of constitutional law he taught:

"President Obama taught 'Con Law III' at Chicago. Judicial review, federalism, the separation of powers — the old 'structural Constitution' stuff — is covered in 'Con Law I' (or at least it was when I was a student). Con Law III covers the Fourteenth Amendment. (Oddly enough, Prof. Obama didn’t seem too concerned about 'an unelected group of people' overturning a 'duly constituted and passed law' when we were discussing all those famous Fourteenth Amendment cases – Roe v. Wade, Griswold v. Connecticut, Romer v. Evans, etc.) Of course, even a Con Law professor focusing on the Bill of Rights should know that the principle of judicial review has been alive and well since 1803, so I still feel like my educational credentials have been tarnished a bit by the President’s 'unprecedented, extraordinary' remarks."


C'mon you guys, this is a Trayvon thread. We haven't had one, in, like four hours!


Libtards wouldn't know TRUTH if it crawled up their leg and bit them on the ass.

Danube of Thought



I think it was either Whittle or Klavan, that posited a cultural Brezhnev doctrine to the left, Roe, Lawrence, Boumedienne are allowed, but no retreat is permitted,


Semi coherence on Morgan, I did say semi;


Soylent Red

they went full 'Otto' from 'Wanda'

Narciso, the central tenet of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself."

Xenophon's Anabasis

Maybe one of the greatest management books of all time.

Another misplaced body condom, I see.

If I was that girl's father, I'd be working on a 120 grain, 9mm Norplant for Mr. Johnston. What a scumbag.


Some Viking king originated that ship burning thing.

You gotta admire people who spent their summers going a-raiding.

Strawman Cometh

Cortez, geez, even Sean Connery got that right.


On a more serious note;


Frau Untergang

DoT, truth's boots have been thoroughly muddied. Who will be able to clean them?

IMHO having Levi's bastard could be called a "punishment," and I don't mean the baby.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The Martin/Zimmerman timeline [Reader Post]


Revenge is best served cold, with a side of moose, Today beat GMA, by 330,000, now they
have to work to hold the advantage, LOL.


At least that was my original understanding, in the LUN, an explanation not considered.


Unbelievable. Just had our municipal Election today for Mayor, for a few school board members, and for a few propositions including a Lesbian/Gay/Transgender issue.

Nightly News at 9 reports that double the expected number of voters showed up to vote at all the Election Precincts, so according to the nightly news many, many angry folks were turned away from the polls due to there not being any ballots left.

Another problem is that 1 of the organizations in favor of one of the Ballot Issues sent out thousands of fliers with bum information to voters, saying that people could show up and register and vote all on the same day. That is incorrect and against State Law, so many are angry about that.



The race baiters in this case have gotten just enough rope to hang themselves with.

Hell links to a Yahoo story which breathlessly announces that a "partially redacted police report" has "surfaced".

The quotes from the report are the same stuff on the City of Sanford website that Rick Ballard directed us to...just before Groundhog Day, I think.


Ted Steven's Update:

Looks like that Judge who ordered the DOJ Lawyer to do her homework isn't the only guy P.O'ed at the DOJ

Friends of Stevens rally seeks prosecutor accountability

"An advocacy group started by friends of the late U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens is on a rampage, calling for accountability in the U.S. Department of Justice and specifically for the firing of two prosecutors and an FBI agent who pursued the flawed and failed corruption case against him."

"The group, called Alaskans for Justice, is holding a public rally starting at 5 p.m. Wednesday at the PenAir hangar, on Boeing Avenue at Stevens International Airport. Anchorage Mayor Dan Sullivan will be master of ceremonies. U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski is scheduled to speak, as is U.S. Rep. Don Young. U.S. Sen. Mark Begich, the Democrat who ousted Stevens from office, is sending a letter to be read, as is Gov. Sean Parnell."

"The group also wants prosecutors Joe Bottini and James Goeke fired, as well as FBI agent Mary Beth Kepner..."

Good to see a group of angry indignant American's hollering in the streets who aren't wearing hoodies.


Don't think this has been noted in any thread yet.

Nonetheless, an exceptionally ominous and instructive remark was recently made by Attorney General Eric Holder -- a remark more outlandish than any heard so far in our national conversation about Martin.


Make the whole picture look different.


james D.

Welcome to today's installment of Questions That Answer Themselves:

"Is the President delusional?"

This has been another edition of Questions That Answer Themselves. Thank you for viewing!

Jack is Back!


Yeah, we know about that plus there was a 17 year old black kid that was shot (not killed) the other day near the same area of the Martin killing. But Sanford, beside being this hip little river town, is a very mixed area and has its ethnic issues. Not surprising that there is few yutes with assault and battery desires.

Jack is Back!

Here is your daily dose of the Sanford, FL crime scene.

Pregnant woman among those hurt in driveby shooting.

Probably a bunch of Chicago retirees.


Truth is getting its boots on, yes. LUN, Jacob Sullum piece written yesterday appears in Chicago Sun Times 4 April 2012.

But given that such basic facts are still a matter of dispute, we should be especially cautious about rushing to judgment on bigger questions like [who started the fight?].

Looks like that Judge who ordered the DOJ Lawyer to do her homework isn't the only guy P.O'ed at the DOJ

There should be protest rallies all over the country about these guys. Hell there is enough to protest about.

BTW does anyone think Holder's office will actually respond to the 5th circuit? It's not like holding them in contempt of court will have any impact.

Pagar, Holder is a CRT guy thru and thru. It's only going to get worse.

Sue, GMax, check in.


Jane@7:53-- so Romney is now --all but -- the repub nominee. He's the perfect ABO, great hair and teeth, mormon, actually worked for a living and, saved a publicly subsidized event (SLC Olympics) from bankruptcy, instead of subsidizing companies and having them go bankrupt (Solyndra.), and at the same time 'Bam is delusional. How delusional? he's making side deals with Putin, he's threatening the SCOTUS, he's treating the media like employees (well OK they kinda are), and he's calling a thug wannabe he's never met 'his son'. So what's next? ALL LEFT ALL THE TIME. Since last July when 'Bam started campaigning, I suggested he'd go further and further Left as the polls became increasingly bad. That Leftism will be coupled with nonstop attacks on Romney, Rubio and Ryan-- ridiculous and personal attacks. That's it, that's all we'll get for the next 7 months. The SS Obama is going down like Titanic, and 'Bam is going to make it bad for everyone. He's a narcissist and a punk and he cares not about this country.




Henry-- with yesterday being Wisc primary day-- ONE OF 4 elections you'll have this year! what's the vibe? Are conservatives active? Are the unions desparate?


A little noticed aspect of yesterday's press conference, was this was his marching orders to the AP, like the king of Ruritania, dispatching his minions.


This must be some of that smart diplomacy I have heard so much about. I am sure Catty o Cattyburg will be along to explain that we are stupid, and this is not what it seems, that the stumbling bumbling incompetent managed to piss off two allies at three way conference. From Mexican reports:

Excelsior of Mexico City reported that President Felipe Calderon bitterly brought up Operation Fast and Furious, a U.S. government operation that permitted Mexican drug cartels to smuggle thousands of weapons into drug-war-torn Mexico. This blunder has wrought mayhem on Mexico and cost thousands of lives.

The mainstream U.S. press has kept those questions out of the official press conferences, while Obama has feigned ignorance to the Mexicans and hasn’t even apologized.

In short, the summit was a diplomatic disaster for the U.S. and its relations with its neighbors north and south.

It should have been the easiest, most no-brainer diplomatic task Obama faces.


BTW the Texas Rangers played an exhibition game last evening in Arlington against some Mexican team from Mexico City. So the national news may have made it seems like Dallas and Ft Worth disappeared off the map, but reality is a bit different.

With all the rain this Spring, the lakes are now above normal. We wont have to hear about water rationing due to the drought for awhile. Small favors.

Captain Hate

I'd be interested in reading the full context of the quotes by Holder in the AT piece. It's outrageous enough in what was included with an ellipsis but I'd like to know what was said in total, even if it was just his usual hemming and hawing that he does when he's about to step in it.

Issa or somebody with Congressional oversight should demand he explain why he feels that "affirmative action" hasn't begun or exactly what entitlements he believes "people of color" are owed. And what this has to do with ensuring that the laws are applied equally to all citizens.


Category error in the nutroots, from Salon to the New Republic


Captain Hate

Is pointing out how badly Odummy has damaged relations with our southern neighbor through Fast and Furious "setting one's hair on fire"?


NK, the local election results yesterday were very interesting in that a whole bunch of "conservative" officials got dumped for tea party types in school boards, county boards, and towns in the suburbs around Milwaukee. (Unfortunately the rinos got re-elected in my area). The primary was a strange interruption in the recall process, which is where all the focus is. Right now conservatives are active, and we will see 4 weeks of a nasty primary campaign between the two Dems (Falk and Barrett) running against Walker. That race is straight unions vs urban with both sides funded and run from Chicago (essentially SEIU vs Rahm). WI may remember the rest of the country is out there, but not until June 6.


Henry-- you're the best. So it's intense. Are you hopeful that conservatives and real badger staters will prevail over the union/Rahm carpetbaggers?


NK, the polling aside, Walker should win. The state senate is iffy for June, but redistricting will favor the Rs in November. By the time the legislature sits again the senate and assembly will both be R. The senate by 1 seat (at worst).

James D.

GMAX - I was just going to comment on that story. The full article is at the LUN.

Melinda Romanoff

What happened in Rukin, henry?


Can one be surprised at this, in the LUN


A Holder quote from pagar's AT link -
"Attorney General Holder recently addressed the question of affirmative action, and for how long it would be required. He answered, stunningly, that reverse discrimination has only just begun: "Affirmative action has been an issue since segregation practices," Holder said. "The question is not when does it end, but when does it begin[.] ... When do people of color truly get the benefits to which they are entitled?""


"with assault and battery desires."
I submit that people using weapons in driveby shootings don't much care what the criminal charges are. It is hard for me to understand any logical reasoning behind a driveby shooting.


From cbolt's 7:44 Jacob Sullum LUN:

Zimmerman says his gun was exposed during the scuffle and he feared Martin would grab it, so he drew the pistol and fired.
I don't have the gift for detail that a lot of people here do, but did we know this already? Also, is this a justified use of deadly force?

Capt Hate,
Here's another Holder speech that the AT article may have drawn from.


As far as I can see it doesn't say much>


I know he is kind of contrarian, but seriously



Mel, mostly judicial elections in the county. We replaced one judge (liked rehabilitation and counseling vs punishment). Another judge kept his seat (two conservatives were running), and my local primary and high school boards both reelected the old guard (children need to be good team players, ugh). I didn't look at what the city had going on.


Feinman(at the Huff Po), the brainslugs can removed with only minimal loss of scarring,

Danube of Thought

Minus 18 at Raz today.

Trails Romney by 3.


Narc-- why so dismissive of the 5th Circuit panel? Judges are people too, and if you gratuitously insult and bully them, they're supposed to be like the Christ and forget about it? I don't think that's realistic. Was it unfair to take out their frustration with the Poseur-in-Chief on his DOJ minions in the court room where the panel are the sovereign? sure, but as far as I'm concerned, very understandable, and as DoT said I LOVED IT!!


You missed the largest walkback here.

Tom Owen told the Orlando Sentinel that he required a 90% match before he would conclude that the voice is Zimmermans.

Then someguy pointed out that when he's in court, if you pay him, he'll tell a jury that he only requires a 68% match to put someone behind bars for the rest of their lives. (CT v Sheila Davalloo).

Now ... Tom Owen tells CNN a 60% match is enough.

Pretty soon, 48% will be definitive.

Captain Hate

Yeah pagar, that article was linked in the AT article so, lacking a video of it, I don't think we'll get an answer to my question, which is probably nothing substantial was said anyway.

narc's link of a TNR article where the children of the cornhole compare Bammycare to child labor laws in one of their typically tortured leaps of logic inadvertently made me think of something: How much did child labor laws help the people they were meant to "protect". It's been an article of faith going back to when I was in school, when teachers weren't unionized and actually taught things, that the law protected the chirruns against the predations of eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil corporations. But it's not like these evil entities went out with bullwhips and manacles and forced the yutes to enslave themselves; rather the parents of the rugrats sent them out to earn their keep either because they needed the jack and/or had no appreciation for education. Maybe at best the law encouraged and produced the latter; but if the former case held true I don't see how the law changed anything positive for the chirruns. Or am I missing something? I'm sure the unions liked it though.


Read closer, NK, that's is Kerr's perspective,
no the 5th Circuit, acting like Principal Skinner, wrapped his knuckles but good,

If this 'sham of two mockeries of a sham, can be perpetrated here, what community is safe.



From narciso's 9:12:

"Star could barely look at Sarah and insisted that she be seated on the opposite end from her," the source says. "Star is a lawyer, a former prosecutor and has worked very hard in her life to get where she is. Star didn't understand why Sarah was on the panel because she doesn't have anything worth contributing.

Hmm, a former governor and VP candidate vs. someone so full of herself and evidently with the maturity of a 16-year-old. Which would you rather listen to? Tough choice.


"“Fox News Reporter Tweets Obama Eligibility Questions: Fox VP Caves to Obama Media Thugs”

“Fox News reporter Heather Childers posted some tweets asking her Twitter followers their thoughts on a couple articles related to Obama’s eligibility. One article asked if Obama’s campaign threatened to kill Bill and Hillary Clinton’s daughter if they brought up Obama’s eligibility during the 2008 campaign. The other article Childers tweeted was about the Alabama Supreme Court Justice that raised concerns about both of Obama’s birth certificates which was headlined at this site then picked up by World Net Daily and then the Examiner. Needless to say that sent the Obama media thugs at Media Matters and Mediaite into a rabid frenzy.

Fox News senior VP for news Michael Clemente formerly of ABC News released a statement to Mediaite saying, “The tweets have been addressed with Heather and she understands this was a mistake.”"


Silly reporter, tweets are for kids.


Sorry narc-- Kerr is just wrong to tsk tsk the 5th circuit. I think we've all had enough of the Poseur-in -Chief thank you.


Now ... Tom Owen tells CNN a 60% match is enough.

Enough for what? If the evidence is on the prosecution's side, 90% seems reasonable, if it's a meaningful number. But when the evidence is exculpatory, 48% strikes me as high enough to generate "reasonable doubt."

Captain Hate

Maybe Star Jones could entertain people with details on dating Dwayne Wade while she was married.


-- I don't have the gift for detail that a lot of people here do, but did we know this already? --

That depends on who the "we" is.

Interview with Robert [father] CNN Newsroom - March 29, 2012

Interview with Robert, Jr. [brother] Piers Morgan - March 29, 2012

In both 2nd hand accounts of George Zimmerman's story, Martin spies the gun late in the struggle, and Martin utters a death threat.

If you have a reasonable belief that somebody is going to kill you right here and now, you have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself. If Martin is going for the gun, and he says he's going to kill you, what do figure he's going to do with the gun if he gets it? Turn it in during one of those gun buyback programs?

Jack is Back!


So that was the black chick at the end who looked like someone had asked her to pick up a turd by the clean end:) She was so obviously ill at ease with Palin it was frightening. Before I switched chennels I thought she was ready to explode with expletives. What a bitch!


"Hmm, a former governor and VP candidate vs. someone so full of herself and evidently with the maturity of a 16-year-old. Which would you rather listen to?"

Reminds me of a joke:

A man wanted to get married.

He was having trouble choosing among three likely candidates.

He gives each woman a present of $5,000 and watches to see what they do with the money.

The first does a total make over.

She goes to a fancy beauty salon gets her hair done, new make up and buys several new outfits and dresses up very nicely for the man.

She tells him that she has done this to be more attractive for him because she loves him so much.

The man was impressed.

The second goes shopping to buy the man gifts.

She gets him a new set of golf clubs, some new gizmos for his computer, and some expensive clothes.

As she presents these gifts, she tells him that she has spent all the money on him because she loves him so much.

Again, the man is impressed.

The third invests the money in the stock market.

She earns several times the $5,000.

She gives him back his $5000 and reinvests the remainder in a joint account.

She tells him that she wants to save for their future because she loves him so much.

Obviously, the man was impressed.

The man thought for a long time about what each woman had done with the money he'd given her.

Then, he married the one with the biggest boobs.


Well the pic in my 9;12 LUN, really does tell all doesn't it, Star apparently thinks that
phone in Julianne presented from 'Boogie Nights' is more representative,

Melinda Romanoff


I'm sure it would be to admire the safety features.


McCain advises Romney on choosing a running mate...


When asked to suggest some names Wednesday, the Arizona Republican said, “I think it should be Sarah Palin.”

"The Obama administration on Tuesday said it was preparing to sue Arizona county sheriff Joe Arpaio and his department for violating civil rights laws by improperly targeting Latinos in a bid to crack down on illegal immigrants."


I have heard that name before. Joe Arapio... Hmmm, sounds familiar.

Oh, here we go. ABC seems to know who he is:

"DOJ Breaks Off Negotiations With Defiant Sheriff Joe Arpaio The Justice Department has cut off negotiations with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and officials with the Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff’s Office in its effort to install an independent monitor to rein in the unconstitutional tactics used by officers there."


Probably a coincidence:

I will keep a keen ear to the radio as I am sure the conservative loudmouths will defend Ole Joe.

Melinda Romanoff




I know IBD are critics of 'Bam, but the link below is to their editorial about 'Bam's disasterous 'diplomacy'; 'bam picks fights with out largest CHEAP energy supplier and neighbor, while he makes side deals with Putin, coddles the Mullahs, and calls Chavez 'my brother' or some such nonsense. He's a menace; plus the photo in the editorial speaks louder than words: http://news.investors.com/article/606670/201204031900/obama-alienates-mexico-and-canada-over-energy-trade-and-weapons.htm


I'm here.


((She was so obviously ill at ease with Palin it was frightening. ))

I heard Mavis Staples interviewed not long ago and she related anecdotes of Pops' Staples support for MLK and their travels in those days, which was interesting. But then she went on a rant about how bad things are today, especially the racism of the Tea Party. She is a good Christian woman and a good singer, but who the hell is feeding these people the bs that they are being influenced by? They are being told and fed lies day after day and they supinely accept them. It is so sad.


Thanks cboldt.

If Martin is going for the gun, and he says he's going to kill you, what do figure he's going to do with the gun if he gets it? Turn it in during one of those gun buyback programs?
Considering his People Magazine pic, I'd say that's a good bet.

Still, Sullum claimed this as fact, rather than as 2nd hand statements by Zimmerman's family, and didn't say anything about Trayvon going for the gun. I'm quite ok with plugging the poor boy if the statements are true.


You know he must be reaching from the Quarles
stash on justified,



Trayvon Martin case is absent from Google collection of headline news.

Somebody closed the faucet. Better than admitting bigotry, bias, and error, I suppose.

Bill in AZ sez it's time for Obama/Holder murder trial in Mexico

If Calderone wasn't a whining, simpering, pissant commie like Obama, he would declare that a state of war exists between Mexico and The United States, and demand reparations at the very least for the hundreds of his citizens that Holder/Obama/Hilary! have killed already, and for the thousands to be killed yet.

Cecil Turner

I don't have the gift for detail that a lot of people here do, but did we know this already? Also, is this a justified use of deadly force?

Yep, and yep. However, I find this one of the weaker parts of Zimmerman's story, because it's awfully pat. It's also unnecessary: if someone is knocking your head into the ground (presumably to beat you unconscious), it's reasonable to fear they mean to inflict "great bodily harm."


Students angry over pricey courses pepper-sprayed

SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) - Campus police pepper-sprayed as many as 30 demonstrators after Santa Monica College students angry over a plan to offer high-priced courses tried to push their way into a trustees meeting, authorities said.

Raw video posted on the Internet Tuesday evening showed students chanting "Let us in, let us in" and "No cuts, no fees, education should be free."

Surely a professional agitator like Obama will be able to whip students into a frenzy before November.


No, Calderon is more like the get along 'wet
Tories' like Cameron, and the Duke and Duke
faction in the PAN,

Jim Ryan

Somebody closed the faucet. Better than admitting bigotry, bias, and error, I suppose.

Drive-by news media. They fire a hail of cheap shots at the target then vanish when people start to notice what the actual facts are.


-- Still, Sullum claimed this as fact, rather than as 2nd hand statements by Zimmerman's family, and didn't say anything about Trayvon going for the gun. --

Sullum attributes it to "Zimmerman says," presumably George. I don't think it matters much that Zimmerman's account is coming through family members. Even if that came from a police account, it's still George's story, and establishing it as a metaphysical certainty (direct observation) isn;t going to happen. Other evidence support it though - the duration of the struggle, nobody hearing "GUN!" or "DON'T SHOOT!"

In the Piers Morgan interview, Piers asks, "That Trayvon was trying to grab his gun to use against him?" and the answer is basically "Yes, that's what happened."

Agreed Sullum doesn't mention that, and Sullum also says Zimmerman's CRIME (if the shooting is part of an altercation) wasn't as bad a cold blooded murder like running down a stranger because you are a bigot. Since when is justified self defense a crime?

A point that goes without being directly expressed, but if Zimmerman is justified, then Trayvon was, in the eyes of the law, the criminal. He was committing aggravated assault, and the person he was committing it against was therefore justified in use of deadly force in self defense.

That theory, and ONLY that theory is supported by the evidence. Anything that cuts against it is post-incident speculation / fantasy.


"and she understands this was a mistake.”""

I think the mistake is the reporters who have denied the issue exists.


Also, on the voice evidence, it's all about relative likelihood of GZ vs. TM. Right now they have zero evidence that it was TM, so even 48% favors GZ. As someone else said, there's got to be some audio recording of TM--a voice mail, some video of him doing some gangsta rap, whatever. Or they could use his brother's voice. Then they come up with a percent match based on that. Unless it's a lot higher than 48%, Owen's results are exculpatory, IMO, or just not admissible.


The GZ story about TMartin seeing the gun and threatening to kill GZ with it is aobviously a self-serving claim of self defense-- who knows, it may even be true. But I focus on the State's burden to prove beyond reasonable doubt. How could they do that in this case -- other than a jury of 12 Al Sharptons. I'm sure Serino wanted to interview GZ many times and have him repeat his story, many times, and catch inconsistencies. Then at least the State would have a cop witness that GZ was changing his self-defense story. That's why I doubt GZ gave interviews to Serino or any other cop after that night. we'll see.

Danube of Thought

One article asked if Obama’s campaign threatened to kill Bill and Hillary Clinton’s daughter if they brought up Obama’s eligibility during the 2008 campaign.

Hey, great question. A spokesman for the campaign said, "damn--you busted us. Okay, yeah, we threatened to kill her."

Jim Ryan

Let's coin the term "killer": One who believes Zero threatened to kill Chelsea during the 2008 campaign.



I love that you know who Quarles is.


-- That's why I doubt GZ gave interviews to Serino or any other cop after that night. --

I don't think he did. Six hours that night probably produces the best evidence they can get from Zimmerman.

I think Zimmerman's account is not contradicted by any eye or ear witness, not by forensic evidence. Zimmerman's account also must be internally consistent, and be feasible.

The threshold for trial is different from that for detention pending charging. For detention, all the cops need is probable cause that Zimmerman's account is false. As long as they can articulate a reason for doubt, they can hold him.

At trial, once Zimmerman asserts self defense against the charge of manslaughter, the burden shifts to the state which much prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the use of deadly force was not justified.

In order to do that in this case, they would have to rely on an account of events that lacks any evidentiary support.

Danube of Thought

I assume that, apart from the fact that he is in hiding, G. Zimmerman has been instructed by his attorney not to talk. But his father is free to put out his side of the story for PR or whatever reasons, and nothing he says can be used against George.


McDonough makes a great villain, the Crowder guy almost steals the show from Raylan though,
glad your safe, Sue,


Tom Owen told the Orlando Sentinel that he required a 90% match before he would conclude that the voice is Zimmermans.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is mid-40's conservative and doesn't pay much attention. She said that the voice recognition thing "by the government" really kills Zimmerman. I told her it wasn't the gvt and it wasn't valid. Her sources MSM never mentioned that.

I found this very interesting. It certainly explains the disparity between the cops and the prosecutors.


More Alinsky tactics;


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