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April 20, 2012

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Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

and I just heard Nancy disGrace: "I thought it should have been a murder 1 charge" in response to a caller concerned that the prosecutors were overcharging.

How do these people stay employed?

There is a reason she is no longer employed as a prosecutor. To paraphrase Cboldt (or a reasonable facsimile) she wrote too many checks that her ass couldn't cash.

Danube of Thought

Frau @10:25--we have to cry foul on the third line.

I'm seriously concerned about the buubmeister. Has he perhaps suddenly taken ill?

Strawman Cometh

Taffe sp? is on Nancy now, with one of Trayvon's lawyers (this is the most I've spent with Nancy, the Mrs - who also can't stand Nancy - was clicking by and I noticed GZ)

Danube of Thought

By the way--a nice point made by O'Mara today--about which we are likely to hear much more--is that all during the time GZ spoke with the cops, he had no way of knowing whether there were eyewitnesses who could contradict his version of events if he were untruthful.

Rick Ballard

It's my hope that he found someone to re-enact the sucker punch-head contact with concrete with him taking the Zimmerman part. If so, he'll be back as soon as his eyes uncross.

Strawman Cometh

Another NG panel - different guests -

consensus is that it is unfair that GZ has lost all the weight and looks pitiful and emaciated.

Strawman Cometh

Rick for the win

boatbuilder

Apropos of very little--the Z head photo appears to have been taken from slightly above-like from a balcony.

Also TK--I was impressed by the quality of the haiku. Taranto has nothing on you.

Good night.

Barbara
He was an adolescent. Giving somebody the finger does not justify shooting. Let's keep some perspective here.

Well said, Peter.

narciso

Oh crikey that's why I was watching, 'in Plain Sight, I think one loses brain cells
watching garbage like Grace's

Ignatz

--It's my hope that he found someone to re-enact the sucker punch-head contact with concrete with him taking the Zimmerman part. If so, he'll be back as soon as his eyes uncross.--

Come to think of it Rick, haven't seen No_Limit_Nigga today either.
Perhaps they got together for their playdate after all.

Strawman Cometh

Narc,
No doubt, but I've immunized myself with a nice Merlot

Strawman Cometh

flipped over to the BOR replay, need more Merlot

Strawman Cometh

hmm hmm hmm

jimmyk

Getting caught up--what did GZ apologize for?

Incidentally, I'm in Boston for a conference, are there any JOMers in Beantown? At my hotel there were a bunch of former BoSox who were in town for today's 100th anniversary event. Ended up chatting with one in the bar last night (no one famous).

Enlightened

"There is a reason she is no longer employed as a prosecutor."

And has the likes of bubu, duda, Sylvia, KK, Cleo et al lapping at her breast like good little puppies.

Danube of Thought

"Giving somebody the finger does not justify shooting"

Please identify each and every person who has suggested that it does. Please--just one.

Enlightened

BWAHHAHHAHAH - good one...now which one of our esteemed lapdogs is that?

narciso

Well according to her wiki, she left when the
d.a. lost the election, but the Melinda Duckett matter, was a terrible circumstance for her,

Kathy Kattenburg

"Barry needs every one of those voters to return to the polls for him this year. And more, to make up the difference with the white vote he's lost."

Actually, right now Obama is leading Mitt Romney in every single voting demographic except one. That one is white males over 50. Obviously, that could change, but it's not likely to unless Romney gives women, Hispanics, and men under 50 some kind of sane reason to vote for him.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Keep hope alive Kathy. And, by the way change the subject while you are at it.

Bruce
He was an adolescent. Giving somebody the finger does not justify shooting. Let's keep some perspective here.
I think that it is a silly attempt at misdirection to even suggest that anyone here actually believes that. Of course, giving someone the finger does not justify shooting them, nor does talking trash about their mother, etc. What does justify shooting someone is if they put you in imminent fear for your life or great bodily harm. And, that may well include having someone bash your head against concrete, or maybe even grab for your gun.
BlahBlahBlah

"Please identify each and every person who has suggested that it does. Please--just one."


I feel it does


...well, when said finger is one of five being violently slammed into the face of another person, at least - as is the case here...

narciso

I know 'I read from the book earlier' and 'I apologize unreservedly' In the unintentional humor column, Carney opposes the Keystone Pipeline, because it infringes on American
sovereignty

Kathy Kattenburg

"We may have been fooled once into thinking that Obama could bring the majority of blacks into mainstream of American values and thinking."

Actually, some of us were hoping that Obama could bring whites into the last third of the 20th century, continuing into the 21st.

And surely the apparent implication in your comment that you voted for Obama in 2008 is incorrect.

Kathy Kattenburg

"Danglen, you'll love bubu, duda,KK, and sylvia--other fine thinkers such as ourself."

Only in contrast to people such as yourself, Clarice. It's not a very high bar.

Strawman Cometh

The "finger issue" stems from the "St.Trayvon at 13 years" iconography promulgated by the MFM. The finger photo is a more accurate (and most up-to-date) representation of what confronted GZ.

Kathy Kattenburg

"They couldn't even get folks to fill out voter registration cards at a Treyvon rally."

It's not legal to do voter registration drives in Florida anymore. Florida just passed a law outlawing it.

Rob Crawford

Wow, Kathy -- you're catty *and* racist, to boot!

Your mother must be so proud.

narciso

You know it occurs to me, if some stranger is following me, first I would tell Dee Dee, I have to hang up and call the cops, second,
I would go to the condo, and get inside, not venture outside,

Annoying Old Guy
Actually, some of us were hoping that Obama could bring whites into the last third of the 20th century, continuing into the 21st.

What does that even mean? Last I checked I made it to the last third of the 20th Century and even the 21st.

Strawman Cometh

could bring whites
His AG and he have made it clear that they are only interested in "his people".

Danube of Thought

KK is plainly demoralized. She has nothing to say about the stunning photographic evidence, nor about the shredding of the state's case in today's proceedings.

But as always, she is long on condemning others as her moral inferiors.

Kathy, you're not morally inferior to us. You're just kind of stupid.

Threadkiller

Force the non-issue
A slip while reaching pleasure
Finger tastes like shit

BlahBlahBlah

narciso,

yeah, that might work, but clearly Martin's plan to meet a persons suspicion with aggression is a much better plan though...

Frau Dingsbums

Thanks, DoT; how right you are to call foul.

After haiku comes byeku...

Danube of Thought

"Obama is leading Mitt Romney in every single voting demographic except one. That one is white males over 50."

And hell--what has that bunch ever done for this country? What percentage of taxes do they pay? Buncha ingrates. Don't they understand what we owe to OWS?

Strawman Cometh

It's not still legal to do voter registration drives in Florida anymore. Florida just passed a law outlawing making it more difficult to commit voter fraud.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

The old KK "hurl insults at those who disagree with her" trick. You are a one trick pony, I am afraid, Kathy. You offer nothing but invective and unsupported opinion here. Why not engage in intellectually honest dialogue? You might even learn something.

For your information, many of the regulars here were long time (relatively) liberal Democrats. I was. I worked in the Kennedy and Carter campaigns, and served as a small business advisor to the Democratic National Committee from 1978-1990.

As the party continued its inexorable swing to the left, it lost our support. The fiscal insanity since 2008 has made us even more determined to change the course of the trajectory of the national debt.

To the extent you want to discuss issues here, have at it. But if you want only to snark, you will get only snark in return.

As a lawyer, I can't resist a closing that always ticked me off when a potential opponent used it:

Please govern yourself accordingly.

Strawman Cometh

TK,
Bestest Haiku, evah

Ignatz

I bet you guys would be nicer to Kathy if you were aware she models yoga pants on the side.
I don't know if her mother would be proud but I'm kinda partial to my little Kumquat. Ooh la la, girlfriend.

Danube of Thought

There's a new thread. I invite KK to take her best shot there.

Kathy Kattenburg

"Way OT, but I've long thought this is the single prettiest piece of music ever written and is here played by the guy who played it better than anyone, IMO."

Thank you. That IS beautiful, and I've downloaded it.

OldTimer

Jim Rhoads, your clarity of thought and reasonable disposition become you.

If KK has only a smidgeon of self-awareness she'll take your words to heart and contemplate their meaning for the duration of the evening and hopefully return tomorrow a worthy opponent.

....A pompous attitude denotes an insecure spirit, searching in vain for recognition.

Kathy Kattenburg

"Your mother must be so proud."

My mother died 14 years ago on the 12th of next month.

Thank you for asking.

BlahBlahBlah

"If KK has only a smidgeon of self-awareness"

...and therein lies the problem...

Kathy Kattenburg

"It's not still legal to do voter registration drives in Florida anymore. Florida just passed a law outlawing making it more difficult to commit voter fraud."

There is no voter fraud problem in Florida or anywhere else in the U.S. Voter fraud is not only not an epidemic, it barely exists at all. In no state in the country do confirmed instances of voter fraud amount to more than a handful over a period of years.

My statement was correct. It is no longer legal in Florida for even recognized, respected organizations like the League of Women Voters to do public voter registration drives. And it's a law in search of a problem, as I said above.

iqvoice

Kathy, I'm going to invoke the "Woman Rape Rule", which says that even though FBI crime stats show only 52 in a 100,000 women are rape victims, the Professional Victim Class will claim that it is 1 in 4.

Likewise, even though your "official" crime statistics show only a low number of convictions for voter fraud... the real number is that 1 in every 4 votes cast is fraudulent.

...Like the Black Panthers at that voting station, the criminals get away with it or are never prosecuted.

Strawman Cometh

There is no voter fraud problem for Democrats in Florida or anywhere else in the U.S.

RidleyLaw

It's interesting to me how often the prosecutors who are assigned to showboat trials turn out to be unable to rise to the occasion (Paging Marcia Clark). Here we go again, with another 'trial of the century,' put on by incompetent government boobs for the prosecution.

Strawman Cometh

OIANAL, but attributed the OJ failure to Ito.
Regardless, a major opportunity was lost, they should have revived Hollywood Squares with the cast of that trial. I'll take Judge Ito to block!

narciso

As for Hutchinson, he is a Derek Bell wannabe,
at Penn,

narciso

Looks like the Chewbacca defense;


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2759558/guantanamo-defense-team-cites.html#morer

Patriot4Freedom

Hutchinson apparently thinks TM [Tom] is "distorting the facts" re GZ's statement at the bond hearing about Trayvon's age.

He only finds one possible explanation, a lie, for the comment. Sounds like Derek Bell's kind of logic.

Meanwhile, KK finds Hutchinson "someone who knows what he's talking about" in her comments on that link.

Donald

Tom Wolfe did this whole story in Bonfire of the Vanities

That was a great book and a terrible movie.

I do see the possibility that if the gets to trial it'll end just like the movie.

Really, watch it.

Donald

If this gets to trial.

narciso

Agreed Donald, btw, Wolfe has a new book set in Miami, coming out at the end of the year.

bobby b

"If one views the second degree murder charge as being motivated by political considerations, this may have been a good day for Corey. If the immunity hearing results in the judge throwing out the charge, Corey still gets to say that she did what she could to get justice for M. Bernice de la Rionda takes the fall."

Corey WANTS the judge to throw out the case, and so she's putting in a case that's not quite good enough to survive to trial, but just barely good enough to make it through three or four hearings.

Tony Smith

You left something out -- Even though the investigator said they lacked direct evidence regarding who started the fight, he said they have evidence that Zimmerman lied about the incident. So - that's enough for probable cause. A jury can reasonably doubt that he is telling the truth and that rather than acting in self-defense, he acted as the aggressor, due to his deceitful responses (including lying under oath)

Bruce
You left something out -- Even though the investigator said they lacked direct evidence regarding who started the fight, he said they have evidence that Zimmerman lied about the incident.
That, in itself, is not enough for probable cause. The lie may not have negated any of their basis for their claim for 2nd degree murder. Remember Libby, where his "lie" had nothing really to do with the underlying offense (which the prosecution knew was bogus all along)? Lying about a peripheral issue may only really be relevant to the veracity of the speaker.

Besides, what do they mean by having evidence that Zimmerman lied about the incident. Can they prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, their contention? Or, are they accepting as definitive the stories and claims of witnesses supporting their narrative, like Martin's girlfriend and mother?

I am not sure how far you can take the investigator's statement about Zimmerman being caught in a lie about what happened. This was at the end of being caught in a web of, at best, extrapolation and conjecture in the form of his affidavit supporting Zimmerman's arrest for 2nd Degree Murder. Or, if you were not so generous, after being caught perjuring himself under oath in that affidavit. In either case, he seemed to me to have been somewhat defensive by the time that he made the statement about Zimmerman lying.

Should be interesting as this story continues to unfold.

BlahBlahBlah

Its ironic KK goes on her whole "there is no voter fraud" rant just hours before Fox airs their Voter Fraud special detailing some of the many, many Democrats currently in jail or on trial for Voter Fraud.

It must be nice to live in a world where you are absolutely unable to hear anything you don't want to...

jimmyk

I thought the claim about evidence Z lied specifically related to the claim that his head was being bashed on the pavement. It's hard to imagine what evidence they have of a lie about that. Absent a new eyewitness, all we have is Z's statement and his bloodied head. Maybe Gilbreath had adopted a looser definition of "evidence" to answer that question "yes."

Danube of Thought

he said they have evidence that Zimmerman lied about the incident

Let's see it. Given that the witness got tied in knots trying to back up statements to which he swore in an affidavit, I don't give him much credibility at this point.

MarkO

I still firmly believe that Nifong felt certain that the Duke students would be found not guilty. He manufactured the crime to get re-elected. He had to know that the boys would be exonerated in the end. It was all about---wait, wait---pandering to the black vote in Durham.

Cory is no different, except that she jumped into the middle of a potential race riot. These things have a way of careening out of control.

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