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April 23, 2012

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Bruce
The government of Florida says it has evidence Zimmerman is guilty of 2nd degree murder. If you are an aggrieved minority, it is not so unreasonable to call for violence against someone the government says is a murderer of one of yours.
Disagree 100%.

First, the government did not say that Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd Degree Murder, but rather, that they had probable cause to believe him such. Big difference. Think of it this way - the first implies 100% certainty, and the later maybe 51%. And, this is all before Zimmerman has his day in court.

Worse maybe - the charges appear to have been filed based on political pressure from the Black community. So, in essence your argument is that the Black leadership of race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson get their people riled up by calling the killing racial. They then turn this into public pressure to indict Zimmerman because their people are so riled up by their inflammatory rhetoric that they are getting ready to riot if Zimmerman is not charged, regardless of the evidence. So, the governor appoints a politically sensitive special prosecutor who does exactly as they want her to do - indicts Zimmerman. She does so by Information instead of though a Grand Jury possibly because she knew how weak her evidence was. So, we have what appears to be an indictment based on threats of racial violence, and you are suggesting that this very same indictment is justification for the racial violence - that caused it to be sworn out. Seems a bit circular to me.

DebinNC

Bonaparte joined the rabble rousers and can't walk it back now. Sanford won't "heal" until he gets the boot and takes Crump with him.

cboldt

What crap. The facts must decide Trayvon Martin case - Mark NeJame - CNN - April 24

Mark NeJame: Zimmerman would have been arrested if he were black and Martin white


NeJame: The racial inequity in our society is behind the polarization in this case


Racism snarls up facts; we must withhold judgment until all evidence is in, he writes

GMAX

Is Steve really Sylvia in reverse drag? The argumentation seems identical, and the logic flaws are quite similar, are they not?

NK

NeJame?-- he's talking about his customers. I wouldn't give a second thought to what he has to say. BUT-- he's got great hair.

Steve

"... So, we have what appears to be an indictment based on threats of racial violence, and you are suggesting that this very same indictment is justification for the racial violence - that caused it to be sworn out. Seems a bit circular to me. ..."

yes it is circular. it is irrational. Just the sort of setting that causes potential harm to Zimmerman and actual harm to the unlucky amoung us being targeted by those avenging Trayvon.

I am making the case that Romney and Rubio, our political leaders, have to speak up and demand the government in this case be transparent and impartial. The prosecution has to reveal all of its evidence and get on with a speedy trial.

AliceH

So, Rob - some mobs are more equal than others?

Rick Ballard

"Is Steve really Sylvia in reverse drag?"

Well, the sylvanometer is pegged and the bozon detector tape is pitch black - I'd suggest getting the shields up.

Extraneus

An "aggrieved" minority? Who talks like that?

Concern troll:

In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.
Danube of Thought

As in, "I support Governor Romney, but I'm concerned that he may be covering up some past ties with the KKK."

DebinNC
Extraneus
Rubio especially should identify with Zimmerman. Both are Hispanics living in Floridia who identify as Americans and want to be accepted as such.

Identify... Identify...

Who uses that word a lot? It'll come to me...

I think Rubio is showing himself to be a Jeb Bush/Jon Huntsman rebublican. Not that there is anything really wrong with that. But not the type of person who is going to fight for small government and the rights of the self reliant individual.
The rights of the "self reliant" individual. Heh.
Jane (Better a crate than a plate)

I am making the case that Romney and Rubio, our political leaders, have to speak up and demand the government in this case be transparent and impartial.

Yeah maybe they too can start some riots.

Steve there is no case. Doing that, is like the president telling the Supreme Court they are wrong if they don't uphold Obamacare, or saying Trayvon looks like his son. It is none of their business at this point and the assumption must be that the government will do what it is supposed to do. Anything else would be stupid and could be construed as jury tampering.

Sara

Steve: You have already been told that no sane candidate for federal office is going to get involved with a state case at this stage, nor should they. So why aren't you railing against your candidate? I'm sure Ron Paul will jump right in.

AliceH

Extraneous has convinced me. Steve is a concern troll.

xbradtc

I am making the case that Romney and Rubio, our political leaders, have to speak up and demand the government in this case be transparent and impartial. The prosecution has to reveal all of its evidence and get on with a speedy trial.

You're moving your own goalposts, Steve. First you demanded Romney come out in full support of Zimmerman. Now you want him to demand that the justice system work in a fair and impartial manner, which is exactly what little he's said about it amounts to.

Finally, we've been discussing the motion for discovery for days now, and you can't seem to grasp that the state will, in fact, release that evidence to the defense in response to the motion for discovery. Until such time as they are required by law to do so, they have no obligation, legal or moral, to do so. Further, they have no obligation to release it to anyone BUT the defense until such time as the evidence is introduced into open court.

Go be dumb on your own time.

PaulV

I would say moby (as in dick) rather than concern troll. Z is doing well without anyone making this a political issue. Obama has painted himself in a corner by slurring the white hispanic.

MJW

Further, they have no obligation to release it to anyone BUT the defense until such time as the evidence is introduced into open court.

I don't believe that part is completely true. Florida has very broad "sunshine" laws, and a good deal of the evidence must be made public

cboldt

-- Florida has very broad "sunshine" laws, and a good deal of the evidence must be made public --


I speculated some days ago that the target for release should be SPD, not the Court. My caveat was that we don't know how FL law defines "active," but from my point of view, SPD's investigation was complete when they turned the evidence over to the prosecutor's office.

Steve

"... You're moving your own goalposts, Steve. First you demanded Romney come out in full support of Zimmerman. Now you want him to demand that the justice system work in a fair and impartial manner, which is exactly what little he's said about it amounts to. ..."

you are misquoting me. But that is ok. My point has been that the justice dept in Florida should release their secret evidence they say shows Zimmerman to be guilty.

More broadly it looks like republican activists are getting very defensive about Romney. News today is he favors the Obama program that keeps college student loans as squarely a government entitlement. Same as he favors the payroll tax cut. And never ending extension of unemployment payments to those who do not work.

We, republicans, have a real problem. The tea party was pretty much shut out of the republican presidential primary. Now we have a nominee who wants to continue foreign wars and is not willing to confront the American people on excessive domestic spending.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

At least he ain't Obama, Steve. For many of us, that's enough.

Steve

"... At least he ain't Obama, Steve. For many of us, that's enough. ..."

It is shaping up that Romney is not going to present enough of an alternative to Obama's policies. There was Chuck Schumer today threatening Arizon and Alabama over their immigration law enforcement policies. Romney will be silent on immigration. Just as he will say nothing about the explosing in SSDI and food stamp payments. And what exactly is the Romney alternative to Obama care?

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