Back on the Trayvon Martin killing audio expert Tom Owen is getting good press with his claim (broken by the Orlando Sentinel) that it is not George Zimmerman heard screaming for help on a 911 call. Here are CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Mediaite and the Boston Herald.
I squawked that other experts would question that conclusion - a good forensic audio match requires examples of speech similar to the sounds being compared. So using George Zimmerman's spoken voice on his 911 call and comparing that to the screams heard in the background of a second 911 call would be a no-no for the other experts.
And Tom Owen agrees! In describing his techniques at his website, we see this: (my emphasis):
The examiner can only work with speech samples which are the same as the text of the unknown recording. Under the best of circumstances the suspects will repeat, several times, the text of the recording of the unknown speaker and these words will be recorded in a similar manner to the recording of the unknown speaker. For example, if the recording of the unknown speaker was a bomb threat made to a recorded telephone line then each of the suspects would repeat the threat, word for word, to a recorded telephone line. This will provide the examiner with not only the same speech sounds for comparison but also with valuable information about the way each speech sound completes the transition to the next sound.
There are those times when a voice sample must be obtained without the knowledge of the suspect. It is possible to make an identification from a surreptitious recording but the amount of speech necessary to do the comparison is usually much greater. If the suspect is being engaged in conversation for the purpose of obtaining a voice sample, the conversation must be manipulated in such a way so as to have the suspect repeat as many of the words and phrases found in the text of the unknown recording as possible.
The worst exemplar recordings with which an examiner must work are those of random speech. It is necessary to obtain a large sample of speech to improve the chances of obtaining a sufficient amount of comparable speech.
And this is the man who now claims that a few seconds of background screaming can be matched to calmly spoken words.
Well, if the prosecutor loses his mind and waves Mr. Owen up as an expert witness in the trial of George Zimmerman, the defense will ask him to re-read this material from his own website, then ask the judge to dismiss him. Good luck to the prosecutor.
I have no doubt that the investigators have already received this advice, so let's not hold our collective breath waiting for the audio deus ex machina. This testimony won't be credible and may not even be admissible.
As to why Mr. Owen is sticking his neck out, well, he may be civic minded. But he rolled out his new voice recognition software on March 1, so he also may welcome the publicity.
I figure the media mavens that are starting to play catch-up will catch up to this by May. Is is asking to much to expect them to review his website and ask a few basic questions, such as, why does your website say this Zimmerman match can't be done? Oh, why ask why.
HMM: In an Addendum Jacob Sullum wonders whether the dubious audio evidence, presumably in a larger context, would be allowed to help establish probable cause for arrest even if it had little chance of being admissible at trial. Over to the lawyers!
For a lighter look, from 'someguy' in the comments, I am stealing a quick Frequently Unasked Questions about Tom Owen. Imagine this as a trial cross-examination, because the prosecutor may be having nightmares about just this:
Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"
Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics.
Well, surely since he's an expert, he went to Harvard or Yale or Oxford, right?
Well, no he went to Bellarmine College in Kentucky. You've heard of Bellarmine College, right? [Normally I deplore this credentialism but if Tom Owen was an expert for the right his college degree is all we would hear about.]
Well, but surely he's worked for the FBI or CIA as a forensics examiner?
No, but he did work for the New York Public Library in charge of their Rogers and Hammerstein archive.
But surely he's written some books about forensics that the FBI and CIA use, right?
No, but he has written extensively about the banjo and did a coloring book:
Tom Owen, Scaling the Fretboard (Chappell Music 1973)
Tom Owen, The Chord Coloring Book (Chappell Music 1974)
Tom Owen, Tenor Banjo (Chappell Music 1975)
Tom Owen, Lead Guitar (Chappell Music 1976)
Tom Owen, The Classic Blues Singers (Chappell Music 1977)
What about his wife Jennifer Owen ... surely she's a hotshot FBI forensics examiner, right?
No, she makes Powerpoint presentations and is a secretary with a political science degree, not a forensics degree.
But surely they have an advanced forensic acoustics laboratory where they conduct their forensic analysis right?
No, they just have a computer in the basement of their house in New Jersey right next to the railroad tracks.
But surely he's a member of the American Board of Recorded Evidence?
Yes, but he and his wife run the Board. He's the chairman, and she's a board member. The Board is run out of a weight-loss clinic in Springfield, Missouri along with a bunch of other dubious "boards," "colleges" and "Institutes."
American Board for Certification in Homeland Security - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Association for Integrative Medicine Inc - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American College of Forensic Examiners International - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MOC
College of Wellness - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Psychotherapy Association - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
There are no colleges or real boards here. There's a fat farm weight loss clinic at that location. They appear to have certified themselves experts by running this board themselves.
Now, let's examine the software they used to perform their analysis. How good is it?
Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.
Remember, Mr. Owen said he'd expect a 90% match before he concluded that the voices were identical. Although when he's testifying in murder cases, he claims a 68% match is enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life (CT v Sheila Davalloo). Even in the software makers own demonstration of the product, using two KNOWN samples of speech from the same famous person, there was only an 86% match.
What about the algorithm they're using to make the comparison? How good is it? UNKNOWN. That's proprietary. They won't tell you what they're actually measuring.
I am leaving that up there for folks to check over (and it was left on April 1), but if it is even mostly right, this guy won't be taking the stand in The People versus Zimmerman.
I did note yesterday that Mr. Owen is rolling out their new product as of March 1, 2012, so he welcomes the publicity.
Proprietary - Last refguge of the scoundrel.
Posted by: scott | April 02, 2012 at 05:23 PM
The most rediculous assumptions I've heard so far about the screaming is that "when the shot was heard the screaming stopped" and thus it must have been trayvonn because he was dead ... while, of course, it could have been because gz gasping a sigh of relief after it was over (no need to yell help in vain any longer)
Posted by: Steven W. | April 02, 2012 at 05:29 PM
"Jacob Sullum wonders whether the dubious audio evidence, presumably in a larger context, would be allowed to help establish probable cause for arrest even if it had little chance of being admissible at trial."
Only if the prosecutor is unethical. You don't charge someone with a crime unless you think you can convict them, that's basic prosecutorial ethics. If the evidence isn't good enough to use at the trial, it's not good enough to use to arrest.
Amazing how "liberty loving people" lose all concern for a defendant's rights when that defendant isn't part of the permanent criminal class.
Posted by: Greg Q | April 02, 2012 at 05:36 PM
These people should read up on Daubert at the SC.
Posted by: Sue | April 02, 2012 at 05:38 PM
Yup and yup again!
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 05:43 PM
I just vaguely remembered that screaming is often taught as a self defense tactic, and confirmed it with cursory google check
so another question is, was the screaming due to pain, or was it a self defense tactic?
Posted by: Chubby | April 02, 2012 at 05:45 PM
I just looked it up, Florida is one of the states that uses Frye not Daubert. Either way, this guy probably wouldn't pass as an expert.
Posted by: Sue | April 02, 2012 at 05:54 PM
I just bought the new product and so far Daffy Duck sounds just like John McCain.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 02, 2012 at 06:01 PM
A HA!!! I just found out that OWEN actually stayed at a HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS last night!!
Posted by: Gus | April 02, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Dear Mr. Maguire: The background of Mr. Owen shouldn't be absolutely conclusive about his notions. Would you tell me that Donald Verrelli's recent argument about the swellness of Obamacare is great because after all, DV is the Solicitor General, who by statute must be learned in the law? Or that all The One's legislation must be soundly written because it has been drafted and vetted by masterminds, e.g. Elena "Don't Worry Mr. President I'll Fix All Your Parking Tickets When I'm On The Bench" Kagan, Timmy the Tax Cheat, et al.?
That Mr. Owens howls "Proprietary!" is a lot more damning in my view. But let's get past the notion that credentials (Paul Krugman is a Nobel Prize winner because he could spit in Geo. W's eye at fifty paces) mean much one way or the other any more. That sort of thinking perpetuates the Ivy League quackery that ails the nation.
Nope, if Mr. Zimmerman has a stout heart, let the prosecutors charge him and put Spike Lee's case to the test. The memory hole of such a case would swallow the universe.
Sincerely yours,
Gregory Koster
Posted by: Gregory Koster | April 02, 2012 at 06:05 PM
Query to JOMers:
In the normal course of the MFM beatification process neighbors, school or workmates, teachers or supervisors, friends or acquaintances are interviewed with the intent of eliciting a statement which lifts the subject of misadventure to the plane of tragedy by assertions of extraordinary accomplishment or pious behavior in order to induce the impression that the subject had always been surrounded by the odor of sanctity.
Aside from the parents' claims, has anyone noted examples of the foregoing wrt St. Trayvon™®©[pat pend]?
Could MFM 'research' have revealed an absence so definitive as to have caused the walk/runback?
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 02, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Gus. Why are you screaming? Are you starved for attention or is Zimmerman at your door with a gun?
Posted by: podesta | April 02, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Good possibility, Rick. I think that's what the police found.
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 06:15 PM
I assume that is not directed at Mr. Sullum, who is as liberty-loving as they come. I tried to paraphrase his kicking around of the legal issues.
OK, I made a mental note to deplore that credentialism but then, being non-Ivy, forgot about it. Tagged and bagged.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | April 02, 2012 at 06:16 PM
JUDGE""Mr Owen could you please tell this court what your qualifications are???""
OWEN"well your Honor, I wrote scaling tne FRET BOARD".
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Posted by: Gus | April 02, 2012 at 06:27 PM
I am back to asking [1] how in the hell did the Orlando Sentinel find out about this guy and [2] what kind of editorial judgment was utilized in deciding to run this *EXTREMELY* prejudicial story from such a dubious so-called expert ???
If there was such a thing as journalistic malpractice, surely this is it.
Posted by: RattlerGator | April 02, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Daily Caller says a Zimmerman family member wrote the local NAACP chapter, telling them that George Z. was one of the few residents of Samford to speak out about the police beating of a black homeless man. Pretty ironic if true.
Posted by: Stace | April 02, 2012 at 06:35 PM
"If the evidence isn't good enough to use at the trial, it's not good enough to use to arrest."
Aren't polygraphs, which are universally inadmissible at trial, frequently weighed in considering whether there is probable cause to arrest?
Tom Maguire's delving into Owen's background--including his educational background, membership in professional associations and the like--is exactly what defense counsel would do, and the court would rightly consider it in determining whether his opinion testimony would be allowed. Similar vetting of Mr. Verrilli's credentials was almost certainly done before he was appointed SG. The fact that he was found qualified did not ensure that he would argue a bad case well. Being found unqualified would have ensured would not, and so he would not have been allowed to try.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 02, 2012 at 06:52 PM
I could be wrong but, isn't the American College of Forensic Examiners (listed on Mr. Owen's c.v) the same fly-by-night gang that awarded a PH.D to a housecat named Zoe?
http://www.freedomofmind.com/Info/articles/credentialing.php
Money quote below:
I next decided to go for the gold: Board Certification. Since Diplomate status is generally recognized as signifying the highest level of competence in a medical or clinical art, I decided to apply for Zoe’s Diplomate status in an organization with which (I must admit) I was once associated. The American Psychotherapy Association was founded several years ago by individuals associated with the American College of Forensic Examiners “to advance the profession of psychotherapy.” (The ACFE is itself struggling to achieve some degree of legitimacy and respect, and was the subject of at least one highly critical article in a national journal published by the American Bar Association.)
Posted by: RD | April 02, 2012 at 06:52 PM
Nope, if Mr. Zimmerman has a stout heart, let the prosecutors charge him and put Spike Lee's case to the test. The memory hole of such a case would swallow the universe.
That is a pretty big gamble to prove a point. Anything other than a guilty verdict will not be accepted (by the protesters) as valid. Juries are not predictable.
Posted by: chuckatpdo | April 02, 2012 at 06:52 PM
From what I can find it seems the science of forensic voice recognition is still in its infancy. Cell phones due to the signal processing to compress the voice signal add another layer of complexity. It is further complicated by the fact that the cell phone was some distance away from the person screaming. Here is a couple of interesting pages on forensic voice recognition:
http://cancun2010.forensic-voice-comparison.net/
http://www.acoustics.org/press/160th/morrison.html
Posted by: Greg F | April 02, 2012 at 06:59 PM
so another question is, was the screaming due to pain, or was it a self defense tactic?
The screaming I heard on the tape reminded me of the way a dog sounds that is being attacked or the one time I heard one when hit by a car. I didn't even sound human. I think it is pain that causes that kind of scream.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | April 02, 2012 at 07:04 PM
No experts required for this one:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/another-teen-shot-in-sanford-but-no-need-to-get-upset-the-shooter-was-black-video/
Posted by: pagar | April 02, 2012 at 07:08 PM
if Mr. Zimmerman has a stout heart, let the prosecutors charge him and put Spike Lee's case to the test
A stout heart? What about a stout bank account?
Isn't there an aspect of prosecutorial ethics that considers the financial burden of making the defendant retain counsel just to make a point? The government has nearly unlimited resources. Is Zimmerman a rich man, able to afford $500/hr lawyers in order to put Spike Lee's case to the test? I'd be ok with it if Spike had to pay Zimmerman's lawyers, btw.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 02, 2012 at 07:14 PM
TM,
you the man!
Posted by: Bill Lake | April 02, 2012 at 07:24 PM
These folks have nothing on Abby Sciuto or Dr. Donald Mallard
Posted by: Neo | April 02, 2012 at 07:27 PM
RattlerGator,
Malpractice implies the the existence of standards and some organization empowered to maintain them. I'm afraid that we are left, as always, to contemplate an ideal and note its distance (in parsecs) from the sordid reality available at hand.
I thinks it's even worse than journalistic malpractice - it's a futile propaganda effort.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 02, 2012 at 07:28 PM
Tom Owen, remember, told the Orlando Sentinel that he requires a 90% match before he would conclude that the voice on the 911 call is Zimmerman's.
But we know this is a lie.
How do we know it's a lie?
Because when he was in court recently in a murder case, he told a jury that he could match a voice on a 911 call with the same software - but it only matched 68% (CT v Davalloo).
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Closing-arguments-in-Stamford-murder-trial-3146169.php
Posted by: someguy | April 02, 2012 at 07:29 PM
And that was pretty much an open and shut case, as I pointed out from excerpts in the wiki,
Posted by: narciso | April 02, 2012 at 07:31 PM
And now to stop the phone from ringing, I'm listening to Paul Ryan on a tele town hall as he argues for Romney. First two questions from doubters, one on Obamacare, the next a Gingritch fan asking why Romney is not as clear as Ryan on his plans.
Posted by: henry | April 02, 2012 at 07:41 PM
"No, they just have a computer in the basement of their house in New Jersey right next to the railroad tracks."
What exit?
Posted by: steve | April 02, 2012 at 07:42 PM
If Tom Owen was involved in any convictions they should be reviewed immediately.
Posted by: myiq2xu | April 02, 2012 at 07:45 PM
That never gets old, steve.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 02, 2012 at 07:56 PM
"I assume that is not directed at Mr. Sullum, who is as liberty-loving as they come. I tried to paraphrase his kicking around of the legal issues."
Yes, it most certainly IS directed at Mr. Sullum. No, he didn't earn my ire because of your paraphrase, but because I had previous read his article. He came across as eager to find an excuse to put Zimmerman in jail, and on trial. The impression I got from his article was not "how can justice best be served", but "how can we nail this guy, and I don't care what the facts are." In his mind, Zimmerman is already convicted, and the only question is how to punish him.
Here's what Sullum said:
That's not "let's evaluate the evidence, and see where it takes us", that's "I don't care if it's valid, can we use it to screw Zimmerman over?"
Posted by: Greg Q | April 02, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Neither here nor there, Tom Owens and Stuart Allen have a connection to unravelling the Kent State Massacre.
Posted by: faketony | April 02, 2012 at 08:29 PM
"If Tom Owen was involved in any convictions they should be reviewed immediately."
He was. Recently. A woman got life in prison for murder on his testimony that a 68% match on a 911 call was good enough for him to positively identify her.
CT v Sheila Davalloo
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Closing-arguments-in-Stamford-murder-trial-3146169.php
Posted by: someguy | April 02, 2012 at 08:39 PM
I disagree with Greg O's assessment of what Sullum said. It is indisputably true that the voice analysis would at least be considered in determining whether probable cause exists; based on what I have read thus far I wouldn't give it much weight.
I am at a bit of a loss--well, not really--to understand why these discussions proceed along these lines. A young man has been shot and killed under uncertain circumstances. A grand jury will hear evidence from a number of witnesses, and it's hard for me to grasp why that shouldn't happen. It will either indict or not. If it does we will have a trial, and all witnesses on both sides will be subjecct to cross.
Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 02, 2012 at 08:50 PM
That is how it is supposed to be unless there is no case at all or unless there are vultures trying to line their pockets and make a race war out of it.
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 08:54 PM
The point, Danube is not whether or not Owen's testimony is even admitted, it's out there and mostly unchallenged, to poison the jury pool, to form a false 'narrative' so even if Corey chooses not to indict or is unable to convict, the casus belli for more
'direct action' is justified.
Posted by: narciso | April 02, 2012 at 08:59 PM
So, some more interesting details,
http://drawandstrike.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanford-pd-issues-partial-report-that.html
Posted by: narciso | April 02, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Danube of Thought, I've tried to make this point to y'all before and I'm going to insert it again.
Grand Juries, in my experience, are very rare in Florida. The State Attorney's in Florida (we don't call them District Attorney's) are constitutional officers. Very powerful, very independent. They make the call on prosecuting cases.
My brother recently left the Miami Public Defender's office where he had operated as a Felony Attorney. In his experience, grand juries are called by and large when the State Attorney is seeking the death penalty.
That's obviously not going to happen here.
But the case has been so egregiously politicized, it may be sent to a grand jury as a special exception. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Posted by: RattlerGator | April 02, 2012 at 09:40 PM
excellent work.... now who can do the same on the concurring expert ed primeau who holds a certification from ACFEI (impressive) out of that same Springfield Missouri address...Seems quite self promoting any unlikely to ever be viewed as a true expert
Posted by: scottl | April 02, 2012 at 09:41 PM
That's interesting, rattler. I hadn't seen that before. Well, there have been so many threads.
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 09:42 PM
who can do the same on the concurring expert ed primeau who holds a certification from ACFEI (impressive) out of that same Springfield Missouri address
He has no formal education in forensics either. He was as a Communications Major (think Katie Couric). But he never graduated and has no degree in forensics or communications. He was a probation officer.
He did earn a merit badge in 1993 from the Michigan chapter of The National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for sound restoration on the NBC show “Peter and the Wolf." So, you know ... expert. Lots of show-tunes guys in this field, apparently.
Ed Primeau: "In the course of my career, I have completed dozens of forensics-focused assignments for attorneys throughout the United States."
Did you hear that, folks. Literally DOZENS.
We should remember that Primeau proclaimed that the voice on the tape was definitely Trayvon Martin, even though he had no KNOWN SAMPLE from which to compare the 911 call to Trayvon Martin.
Posted by: someguy | April 02, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Clarice, they've done a masterful job flooding the market -- so to speak -- with purposeful disinformation. Eventually, someone in our press corps is going to piece some of this together and start asking some very hard questions.
I'm pretty confident about that.
Especially given the death in November 2011 of the FAMU Marching 100 band member at the hands of his fellow students, and the relative lack of outrage in our black community, when most of Black America knows we have an incredible problem with black kids brutalizing and sometimes killing other black kids (and, oh by the way, *no one* has been arrested in that case; and properly so, the investigation and subsequent disentangling of what actually happened is difficult).
It (our out-of-control kids, and the thuggish hazing they insist upon) is a serious conversation that Black America is loathe to admit, much less discuss.
Posted by: RattlerGator | April 02, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Total B.S. then someguy.
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Crump s playing the Nader game of getting others to poison the jury pool with the help of a complaisant, lazy press.
Posted by: Clarice | April 02, 2012 at 10:02 PM
Truth be told, many forensic techniques are empirically dubious. They've often evolved as ad hoc methodologies that rely on standards and practices that haven't undergone rigorous statistical testing, and often lack sufficient controls.
Here's a good summary of a report by the National Academies that describes the underlying problems.
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12589
Posted by: Norm | April 02, 2012 at 10:11 PM
I started explaining the certifications to a friend. I didn't get very far before she said, "That's Robert O'Block."
2750 East Sunshine is a converted house on what is now a very busy commercial street. I'm not convinced there is actually a weight loss clinic at that address. It's very likely that O'Block helped Tom Owen set up and run the American Board of Recorded Evidence as well as determine the requirements for membership and certification and provide the education.
http://www.droblock.com/
http://www.acfei.com/robert-oblock/
Posted by: Minimalist Poster | April 02, 2012 at 10:30 PM
"And this is the man who now claims that a few seconds of background screaming can be matched to calmly spoken words."
Your characterization is utterly false, but is to be expected. He's claiming that it DOES NOT match, which is a huge difference.
Spin away, Tom. It's all you've got.
Posted by: JZ | April 02, 2012 at 10:46 PM
That the Orlando Sentinel did this, and that it has been parroted across the country, is utterly irresponsible.
If Owen is the charlatan described above, the fact that he would inject himself into life and death situations and court cases ... I can't express my contempt ...
Has anyone tried to communicate with the management of the Orlando Sentinel about this Owen, to vet his background?
Posted by: Terence | April 02, 2012 at 11:02 PM
JZ: Really? Epic failure to understand the written word.
Posted by: mad jack | April 02, 2012 at 11:18 PM
I saw the comment from someguy, and thought "but surely anyone who has looked at the Owen's website will know that the owner of the business is his daughter, not his wife. How much credibility can I give to someone who misses that pretty obvious point, and then gives an edited list of publications only the least relevant ones?"
Posted by: Douglas2 | April 02, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Three words:
Frye standard v Daubert
Florida is a Frye state
Mr. Owen and his "expert" analysis do not likely meet Frye standard for admissibility.
Posted by: DuraMater | April 03, 2012 at 12:50 AM
I do not know wat happened. I trust that the procedures available to determine what did happen will function as best they can. Until those procedures move forward at their proper pace, I don't believe that anything I am reading or hearing in the press increases the chance that the outcome will be just.
I fell certain that everything that Al Sharpton says and does hurts the process, to the extent it affects it
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 03, 2012 at 01:48 AM
FAMU case:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-12-15/florida-am-famu-band-hazing-georgia/51972882/1
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As to the ascendance of thug culture. When was the last time in American history that happened? Think hard.
Posted by: M. Simon | April 03, 2012 at 07:04 AM
Danube of Thought:
Prosecutors have an ethical duty not to bring charges when they don't think they can get a conviction. not "let the jury sort it out", but "do I believe I can honestly and ethically get a conviction with what I know?" One main reason for this is that going to trial is a serious punishment, even if you're found not guilty.
What Sullum was pushing was "here's hoping the prosecutor can use this to 'justify' charging Zimmerman." He clearly didn't care if the evidence was valid, all he cared about was finding an excuse to make Zimmerman's life a legal hell.
I'm probably just very biased, but it strikes me that the difference between "potential criminals" the left cares about v. the ones the right cares about can be characterized as "thugs v. citizens."
Got a guy with a rap sheet as long as your arm, accused of robbing, raping, or murdering? The left is ready to jump to his defense, the right wants him thrown away forever.
Got a more or less ordinary citizen in a tight situation? The right may have some sympathy, the left wants blood.
Would it be better if Trayvon wasn't dead? Yes.
Would Trayvon be alive if he hadn't attacked Zimmerman? That's the way it looks. And unless that changes, I'm not going to lose a second's sleep over what happened to Trayvon.
If Zimmerman hit, pushed, or grabbed Trayvon first, then he deserves to go to jail. But if he didn't? I perfectly happy living in a world where starting a fight gets you killed.
Posted by: Greg Q | April 03, 2012 at 11:10 AM
This rolling out of new equipment smacks of the same faux science as was seen in the Casey Anthony trial doesn't it? In her trial the forensic scientist experimented on canning the smell of death. That turned out to be inadmissible and plain junk science. Using an unproven scientific procedure is problematic. And absolutely should not be used in a Capital 1 murder case.
Good analysis in this article! Keep this up and let's find the truth in this situation.
Posted by: Cindy L | April 03, 2012 at 01:23 PM
I live in Springfield, I know that location, I just never knew someone was running a diploma mill from it. Neither Owen or Dr. O'Block rings a bell but yeah, it sounds like a case of using a tragedy to cash in on something.
Posted by: Jim | April 03, 2012 at 05:12 PM
As for the so-called "expert witness" audio technicians . . .
Check out this update from CNN, of all sources:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/02/justice/florida-teen-shooting/
"'There's a huge chance that this is not Zimmerman's voice,' said Primeau...
Owen also said he does not believe the screams came from Zimmerman...
The experts, both of whom said they have testified in cases involving audio analysis, stressed they CANNOT say who was screaming."
(bolded words are my edits)
Maybe, just maybe, there is some semblance of hope that the media will begin to adhere to some standards of accurate, unbiased reportage - but I'm not holding MY breath for it to happen.
Posted by: Patriot4Freedom | April 03, 2012 at 06:33 PM
I bet there is something behind that story, but they will never reveal what the truth is. We can just pray for no more stories of this kind.
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