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April 19, 2012

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Jack is Back!

Oh,oh!

Getting interesting now that O'Mara is going to challenge aspects of the affadavit with one of the investigators.

scott

O'Mara about to blow this whole thing open.

Jack is Back!

O'Mara is latching on to the grammar of using the word "profiling" and why was it used. This guy is good and the State looks like a bunch of Inspector Clouseau wannabes.

GMAX

Now her animus is being revealed.

I think what is being revealed is another part of her, but maybe that is just me...

Jack is Back!

If you are Angela Corey, Gilbreath's testimony is painful to watch. You are looking at your boat leaking like a sieve and you have no bucket to bail. Dershowitz must be smiling like a Cheshire cat watching the affadavit being "fisked" into shreds by O'Mara.

Ignatius J Donnelly

Work is interfering with my study of this case. :(

cboldt

-- This guy is good and the State looks like a bunch of Inspector Clouseau wannabes. --


The state's issues have been apparent from piecing together the public evidence. The charging affidavit doesn't track with the 911 call and statements of SPD.


Sounds like O'Mara is attempting to get the state to particularly describe the accusation of "depraved mind." If the state can't do that, it concedes its murder charge.

Danube of Thought

The person who took the photo will have to testify at trial to get it into evidence. I assume he will do so.

I believe it was the photographer who said the vertical red line at the left side of the wound is a trickle of blood.

cboldt

-- If you are Angela Corey, Gilbreath's testimony is painful to watch. --


She shoulda coached 'em better.

AliceH

I thought I was started to get it, but now I am confused by legal procedure labels, sequence and functions.

Is this just a bail hearing? Is it also called an Arthur hearing? Can the case be dismissed today for failing to meet the preponderance of evidence requirement? And what about immunity?

I need a flow chart.

cboldt

-- The person who took the photo will have to testify at trial to get it into evidence. I assume he will do so. --


The photo ABC is showing is from a private citizen. The defense will use the photos by SPD, not private photos. Simpler issues with origin, custody, tampering, etc. and covers exactly the same observations.

cboldt

-- Is this just a bail hearing? Is it also called an Arthur hearing? --


Yes, bail only. Bail hearing and Arthur hearing are synonyms (in FL).


-- Can the case be dismissed today for failing to meet the preponderance of evidence requirement? --


No. The preponderance of evidence standard pertains to showing self defense, by Zimmerman, at a separate hearing. O'Mara has not moved for immunity yet, that we know of.


But, the state does have to show that it has evidence for every element of its case. It can be flimsy evidence, but it can't be zero evidence.

Pofarmer

Is this morphing from a bail hearing into something else?

cboldt
First to testify is investigator Dale Gilbreath. He says "I was not planning on testifying."
ROTFL. Clown.
Ignatius J Donnelly

After the expected aquittal, are federal charges a certainty, do you think?

cboldt

-- Is this morphing from a bail hearing into something else? --


No. This is the Arthur hearing, as described a few days ago. This isn't unexpected ground at all. The state has to put on a substantive argument, including identification of evidence and witnesses.


I assume that "Gilbreath are talking about an unnamed witness in the case. Gilbreath says the witness was not interviewed until 'five weeks' after the incident." is a reference to DeeDee. O'Mara is damaging the credibility of DeeDee by the sheer delay in obtaining her statement.

DebinNC

So far, two words come to mind about the prosecution and their affidavit...bad faith.

cboldt

-- After the expected aquittal, are federal charges a certainty, do you think? --


It will depend on how the media covers the case. If it doesn't report facts, but instead continues to publish a fictionalizes narrative, I can see the Feds charging. But if the public comes to see Zimmerman as not a racist, the feds won't charge.

cboldt

-- two words come to mind about the prosecution and their affidavit...bad faith. --


Unless they have evidence that we are completely unaware of, I agree. Politically motivated charge - illegal under Florida law.

rse

Sorry to interrupt commentary but Top 25 media blows it hyping envmt complete with videos is too entertaining not to link.

cboldt-the official documentation I have says in place by 2020.

po-I will disclose it once red gets diploma in May and I start blogging. I cannot wait for everything in book and this gets aspects of what is really going on out there and brings attention I will need for book. I also have a huge revelation that will rock kim's world and needs to come out before rio. Will be a busy summer.

But I am angry about what I saw yesterday in a way nothing else quite created. And mel will not be shocked to know it tracked back to Illinois.

cboldt
O'Mara: is there any evidence to support the word "confronted"?

Gilbreath says he could have used a different word.


Well, you didn't use a different word, and you have plenty of time to think about. What different word would you use, Glibreath?

Danube of Thought

"The defense will use the photos by SPD"

I haven't seen any SPD photos that show the wounds this clearly (although there may well be some). If the defense calls the photographer hecan authenticate the photo--"this is what I saw, I took this picture; it accurately represents what I saw."

Seems clear that the head struck the pavement at least twice.

Pofarmer

" O'Mara is damaging the credibility of DeeDee by the sheer delay in obtaining her statement."

It takes time to make up and polish a story to fit the narrative that also kinda fits the timeline.

Extraneus

Did they start the hearing with a prayer for the Martins?

Ignatius J Donnelly

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/151017973/examining-media-coverage-of-the-trayvon-martin-case

The audio is up now. I know it was posted before it is now buried.

Listen to this. Should we be surprised?

narciso

Surprisingly weak, De Rionda can establish that there was a struggle,

Ignatius J Donnelly

It takes time to make up and polish a story to fit the narrative that also kinda fits the timeline.

Oh, she's had plenty o' help.

Clarice

Corey's second mistake:Not agreeing to bail.

Steny C

"Now de la Rionda stands up.

"I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today.""

narciso

'We were informed there would be no math involved' wait can you crossexamine a statement the defendant makes

Pofarmer

Narcisco, you owe me a keyboard.

narciso

Sorry about that, Po, but Gilbreath, really was not prepared, this day.

Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)

After the expected aquittal, are federal charges a certainty, do you think?

Only if Obama is re-elected

Ignatius J Donnelly

Oh I think it would be less likely if he had no worries about reelection.

Pofarmer

If there's a dismissal before trial, and the Feds still bring charges, there should be a revolt.

narciso

Btw, the uneven quality, of the Journal, besides that terrible poll, is seen in one
hack Op Ed by Alan Blinder, is there any other kind,'Rights are Fine, but Bills must be
Paid' re Health Care, and a very fine review
by Christina Shelton, about a book about Alger Hiss,

Extraneus

George Zimmerman granted $150K bond, apologizes to Trayvon Martin's family

Minutes before the judge ruled on his bond, Zimmerman took the stand and apologized to Trayvon Martin's family.

"I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said of Trayvon Martin on the night of the shooting. He said he's sorry for the Martin family's loss.

Asked why he waited so long to apologize, Zimmerman said he was told not to reach out to the family. He denied having changed his version of events during the investigation.

BlahBlahBlah

"Not showing evidence is a concession that there is at least reasonable doubt. If the prosecutor believes it cannot prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, then it is unethical to charge the suspect."
Posted by: cboldt


Unless, of course, your goal is to morally allow a poor black couple who lost their child to make a boatload of money for their suffering...

At this point, that seems to be the only thing going on here - there is no 2nd degree. There is no "unlawfully" described in the Affidavit, there is no "disregard" described in the affidavit and there is no "depraved heart" described in the affidavit. All there is are the 'feelings' or 'assumptions' of the prosecution based off a retelling of the story by "DeeDee" who didnt talk to a single person about any of this until March 17th (and was refusing to talk to any authority figure under oath until talking to the Feds sometime around April 5th.


Meanwhile, Crump has the Martin family trademarking "Trayvon Martin", "I Am Trayvon" while claiming "all we want is an arrest" (which allows them to file against Zimmerman themselves)

BlahBlahBlah

"That photo was taken two years ago and he looks about as scary as Mickey Mouse"

Ahh, okay...


Well, maybe you feel he seems scarier in the Fight-Club video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0wELTLnTWnA

BlahBlahBlah

Oh, and I don't see the question again while skimming the posts, but above someone talked about "John" and how he said "I believe"

What he actually said is "I believe it was red" (meaning the sweatshirt)

and he followed by saying he called cops watched again and the guy who had been on top was on the ground. (Martin now laying on the ground)

So yeah, maybe he couldn't tell his Reds from Dark Oranges or Burnt Ambers in the dark of a raining night in his recollection - but that hardly changes who he saw where

pagar

All you need to know about the attack Zimmerman crowd.

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/20/left-wing-teachers-planning-occupy-the-justice-department-protest-to-demand-cop-killer-mumia-abu-jamal-be-set-free/

Clarice

Italiacto

narciso

Oh wonderful, who we let go,

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/04/two_uighur_gitmo_det.php

Ignatius J Donnelly

Well, maybe you feel he seems scarier in the Fight-Club video?

I've seen that. He seems to be the kid standing next to the cameraman. Everyone thinks TM is the ref.

BlahBlahBlah

"I've seen that. He seems to be the kid standing next to the cameraman. Everyone thinks TM is the ref"

He is the ref - you can spot where his Tats are. You can also tell because he is the only 6'1"+ person in the crowd. Being someone who was over 6 foot in highschool - I can tell you I was similarly the only one at that time.


By the way, not that it is important, but the photo you said was "2 years old" was actually posted by Zimmerman 3 months before the incident. He also has his tats and gold grill during this time - unless you feel he got his gold teeth and tattoos at 14?

cathyf

BBB sweetie, just stop using italics...

Allen

"Ok, you got it" sucks for last words, but if they were fighting and M grabbed the gun trying to take it from Z, but Z got the shot off and hit M, Martin would have been saying ok, you've got the gun, I'm done fighting for it now, you don't need to shoot again. As why he would think Martin might still be a threat afterward, it sucks getting a good punch to the face when you didn't brace for it, same goes for getting your head busted on concrete. I've had both happen to me, even if you're moving and talking, your brain is still working on a mix of instinct and impressions of the threats, my friends said I was talking gibberish for a few minutes afterward. If my nose was broke, nearly choked out by M trying to smother my screams, a gunshot just exploded in my gut and I don't know where it went, I can see that being the time to push on and not let him get back on me to finish the job.

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