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May 04, 2012

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(h/t hit and run)

* That's the grandfather with the high cheekbones, like all of the Indians do.

"I still have a picture on my mantel and it is a picture my mother had before that - a picture of my grandfather. And my Aunt Bea has walked by that picture at least a 1,000 times remarked that he - her father, my Papaw -- had high cheek bones like all of the Indians do. Because that is how she saw it and your mother got those same great cheek bones and I didn't. She that thought was the bad deal she had gotten in life."
daddy

Just saw Liz Warren tape on Megy's show---"Aunt Bee and Pa-Paw." Ha!

Elizabeth Warren:

"You know, I am very proud of my heritage, I am very proud of the, the stories that my grandparents told me, that my grandparents told my parents, and my parents told my brothers and me..."

"Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born."

I don't know about you guys, but I would love to hear some of these "stories" she heard from Aunt Bee and Pa-Paw, about a great great great grandma about whom Liz Warren originally did not even know what Tribe she was from.

It does sounds like they made a great impression on her though, so it shouldn't be hard for Professor Warren to off the cuff give us 1 or 2 of these amazing stories, seeing as how they had since a significant effect on her self image and racial identity.


"Professor Warren, which 2 stories about your Indian Ancestor, told to you by Aunt Bee and Pa-Paw, were the 2 that make you the proudest of your Native American Heritage, and why?"

Jane, If you get a chance to ask her, make sure you have the video rolling so we get the straight scoop from Liz's lips, instead of whipped up by some staffer after a night of frantically scrolling thru' old reruns of Bonanza.

Extraneus

Imagine the cheekbones on Papaw's grandfather?

Extraneus

I meant her Papaw's Papaw, of course. Sorry about that.

Thomas Collins

The whole matter of affirmative action is relatively straightforward. It is a shameless hustle. Privileged children of foreign potentates, and upper middle class kids of Americans, as long as they are meet whatever are the au courant diversity credentials, count as much or more toward diversity as a bright kid from a tough background trying to use his or her brains and hard work to improve his or her living situation. Academia happily participates in this hustle. It's disgusting.

There actually is a concept of affirmative action that is consistent with a self evident truths merit based society. Justice Thomas practices it when he goes beyond the Law Schools of the Established Oligarchy when he seeks out clerks. The idea is that individuals and institutions are benefitted by going beyond the name schools in seeking out talent. However, this is not what affirmative action is today. Affirmative action is the use of diversity in an Orwellian sense. Get the right numbers of au courant ethnic and racial groups and then mold students into mindless automatons of the Oligarchic Therapy State. Besides Justice Thomas, I can't at the moment think of any individual or institution that practices merit based affirmative action. Perhaps there are a few that haven't come to my attention.

By the way, if there are lurkers here who facilitate this hustle, in my assessment, you are living as degraded a life as a pimp. And I may be insulting pimps by making that remark.

DC

Warren should resign from her senate race. This story is just going to run and run -- the dems are naive if they think it won't. Their internal polling may also not reflect how much white voters resent those who trade on race in order to get ahead. She may not look like toast yet, but she is.

Danube of Thought

And George Zimmerman is a Brother four times as much as she is a Cherokee. Never lose sight of that.

lyle

A toasted Indian maiden walks out of a bar...

hit and run

Robert C. Clark, a professor and former Harvard Law School dean, is listed as part Choctaw in a 1999 Harvard Magazine article.

Between Warren and Clark we have the beginnings of a good Tim McGraw song...

Harvard Law Indian Outlaws
Half Cherokee and Choctaw
HLS would really like a Chikiwawa
A real one of a kind

You can find them in the wigwam
They'll be beating on the tom toms
Pull out their pipe and smoke them some
Hey and pass it around

Extraneus

TC, I don't know if it's possible to be a manager in corporate or academic America without facilitating the hustle you've described.

Dave (in MA)


"You know, I am very proud of my heritage, I am very proud of the, the stories that my grandparents told me, that my grandparents told my parents, and my parents told my brothers and me..."

Grandfather stories make heap big impression on her ever since papoose.

lyle
He received a Ph.D. in philosophy from Columbia University in 1971, and the J.D., magna cum laude, from Harvard Law School in 1972.

He completed his JD in one year? How is that possible? Seems apt to post Iowahawk's tweet: Bury my heart at wounded CV.

lyle

In J. Peterman's voice:

Good God, woman, everyone can tell you're lying.

Thomas Collins

I was thinking of affirmative action officers, Extraneus, but I see your point. Many of us, including me, may be below the level of integrity of pimps.

FloydTB

"And my Aunt Bea has walked by that picture..."

She really is confused. She is mixing up her "real" life with Mayberry RFD. What's next? She remembers Otis Campbell telling her that after he and Papaw drank a little too much fire water they spent an evening together in Sheriff Andy's jail.

Clarice

Hush DC, I'm afraid she will get the hook in time for her party to put up someone else.


FloydTB

"Twitchy reports on the numerous Tweets to a new hashtag: #ElizabethWarrenIndianNames. Via Twitchy:

She Will Sioux
Stands with a Writ.
Hunts at Whole Foods
Chief Full-of-Lies
Running Joke"

http://twitchy.com/2012/05/01/elizabethwarrenindiannames-affirmative-action-equal-opportunity-mocking/

DC

I AM hoping the dems put up somebody else, at least there would be a small chance of reclaiming the state. Brown may be a decent guy, but the republican party has destroyed the country and needs to reform itself into a true conservative party, devoid of religious radicals that currently control elements of policy outside of finance. But the dems aren't doing themselves any credit, either...nominating a wholly unappealing candidate like Warren.

Jane

"Jane, If you get a chance to ask her, make sure you have the video rolling"

I'm quite sad as I will not be able to ask her or Scott anything. I've promised to take Amy's kids next weekend (which I had forgotten) so I won't be wearing a feather and parading down the street, and I've got some weird eye infection which is very unattractive and I think it would be too odd to wear sunglasses at a nighttime fundraiser so I'm not going tonite either.

I will however get full reports from both.

And now you all know much more than any of you wanted to know.

As for the squaw quitting, there is one other democrat candidate on the ballot for September. I have no idea if the others once on, can get back on at this point.

DrJ

Lyle,

He completed his JD in one year?

I'd bet that he started in law school before completing his Ph.D. The timing on the latter are, shall we say, flexible.

lyle

Thanks, DrJ. I knew a JOMer would have the answer.

DC: Religious radicals? You talking Christians or Warmists? They're both religions.

rse

TC-it's actually even worse than that in higher ed. There is an organized official push to make disproportionality in grades or types of degrees even classes taken subject to inquiry.

Because the original AA pushed candidates with lower verbal or written or logical aptitude, the AA policies are pushing all of higher ed towards being a huge discussion group to share perspectives, nurture grievances and the need for social justice, and obtain the requisite credential. It's then barely worth the paper it is written on to a free market economy because little of marketable value was obtained. Lots of attitudes pernicious to markets and independence though come with the diploma.

And the US is putting in place a credentialing req to get jobs that is already in Europe and elsewhere that means crediting that higher ed credentialing racket with each job change or career move.

Ed has actually become a cultural, social, political, and economic weapon. And the politicians are still pretending this is all a public good instead of a huge wasteful destructive spending spree of wealth and capital and debts incurred without any real chance of recovery.

daddy (Yoda Junior)


KayyyyyyyyyRooooooo!

DC

@lyle: obviously, we need to isolate the influence of the idiot groups in both parties. Problem is, the warmists have little influence over the dems; while religious fundamentalists actually have a lot of clout in the GOP.

lyle

That's just cruel, daddy. Damn funny but cruel.

hit and run

Elizabeth Warren knows the ways of The Farce.

lyle

Problem is, the warmists have little influence over the dems;

Oh, dear. The religious are fundamentalist but the warmists are not? If you really belive this, I'm pretty sure there isn't much for you and I to discuss.

DC

@lyle: the point was about the danger of an ignorant group having influence disproportionate to the group's membership; not about the label we may choose to use for the group. Though I think you understood the referent.

centralcal

lol, daddy!

Dave (in MA)
the republican party has destroyed the country and needs to reform itself into a true conservative party, devoid of religious radicals that currently control elements of policy outside of finance.
Oh, that must explain why abortion is illegal, people can buy and carry firearms without restrictions and homosexual marriage doesn't exist. It's them durned religious radicals what done it.
michaelt

From page 43 of the Democratic Party Platform:

We will lead to defeat the epochal, man-made threat to the planet: climate change. Without dramatic changes, rising sea levels will flood coastal regions around the world. Warmer temperatures and declining rainfall will reduce crop yields, increasing conflict, famine, disease,
and poverty. By 2050, famine could displace more than 250 million people worldwide. That means increased instability in some of the most volatile parts of the world.

http://www.democrats.org/about/party_platform

AliceH

I offer this explanation, inspired by my own real life experience, to E. Warren to use as she sees fit.

What happened was this. At a young, impressionable age, Elizabeth somehow picked up from the news or her parents that "1 out of 4 babies born each year are Indian". Young Elizabeth was a bright child, and it took her no time to count "1 brother, 2 brothers, 3 brothers, ME - I'm the 4th!".

Precocious as she was, she was not yet aware there were Indians from India much less that the statistic did not apply at the individual family level.

Unfortunately, her brothers immediately saw this as a fun way to tease the little princess, so they encouraged the misunderstanding. Mom, Dad and Aunt Bea thought it was too funny and did their part to aid the conspiracy.

Years passed, conspirators forgot, but Elizabeth had not - indeed the idea she was Indian was no longer a conscious thought, it was part of who she was.

Then one Christmas, the brothers recount the story, laughing at how gullible she had been, and wasn't it great how Mom and Dad joined in, too. And that's how Elizabeth Warren finally learned she wasn't really Indian, alas too late to fix the past, but just in time to stop perpetuating the claim at the pinnacle of her career, her Harvard LS position.

The end.

hit and run

Dave:
Oh, that must explain why abortion is illegal, people can buy and carry firearms without restrictions and homosexual marriage doesn't exist. It's them durned religious radicals what done it.

Yup. And it's why the Keystone Pipeline has already been approved,the incandescent bulb was never banned,Solyndra was never approved for over a half billion in loans and there are no plans to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on high speed rail.

JeffC

their non answer is proof that its Warren ...

lyle

the point was about the danger of an ignorant group having influence disproportionate to the group's membership; not about the label we may choose to use for the group.

Oh, you're talking about the Keynesians in the Dem party, yes?

RichatUF

DC-

What?

rse-

It's then barely worth the paper it is written on to a free market economy because little of marketable value was obtained.

Yep. However, I think I'm over it now-finally. Did actually come up with a good idea that I'm thinking of turning into an LLC? Not sure what I'd do with it though but it'll be fun.

DC

I think you guys are confusing "warmist" with "conserve-ative" environmental policy. Or maybe you think it's smart to have no environmental policy. That seems to be your line of thought. Carry on, I guess.

Clarice

Rush says he's making this Warren's new theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uxoWto09Oyg#!

Clarice

hit, pls check your emails--AT wants permission to use your chart.

MarkO

If Warren is a half breed, then poor Zim is, you got it, Eighth Breed.

bgates, over to you.

DC

@lyle:

"Oh, you're talking about the Keynesians in the Dem party, yes?"

Wow, that's really...wow.

RichatUF

the danger of an ignorant group having influence disproportionate to the group's membership

The Democratic wing of the Democratic party?

The Soros wing?

Help me out here

lyle

Glad I'm so wow-worthy, DC.

So you think the Keynesians are just fine?

I think you guys are confusing "warmist" with "conserve-ative" environmental policy. Or maybe you think it's smart to have no environmental policy. That seems to be your line of thought.

Huh? Look, if you're running with the-GOP-is-retrograde-anti-science-paleo-Christianist schtick, why not just come out and say it?

DC

Lord Acton was on record as having a problem with this sort of thing. Thank god for the electoral college.

RichatUF

Or maybe you think it's smart to have no environmental policy.

Let local communities determine the best use of their land and resources. That's a revolutionary idea. Better have the EPA regulate air.

lyle

Why don't you just enlighten us with all the other problems with the GOP sans the religious fundamentalists or is that it?

cathyf
He received a Ph.D. in philosophy from Columbia University in 1971, and the J.D., magna cum laude, from Harvard Law School in 1972.
He completed his JD in one year? How is that possible? Seems apt to post Iowahawk's tweet: Bury my heart at wounded CV.
That's what you call a joint JD/PhD program. I think Romney was in a JD/MBA program? The variety I am most familiar with is the MD/PhD program, which is the typical educational path for medical school professors. Do the first two years of medical school, and then do the PhD research, and then do the last 2 years of med school.
lyle

I'm starting to get a whiff of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII, here. DC thinks there's nothing wrong with the Republican party that a better class of people won't resolve. I mean, just cast your eyes on that horrid Palin woman wearing her declasse fecundity on her sleeve.

Perhaps he's got a spirited badmitton foursome lined up with Dame Noonan and those irrepressible Davids.

hit and run

Got it,Clarice...and responded. Ext deserves credit for his actually producing it....

hit and run

I think you guys are confusing "warmist" with "conserve-ative" environmental policy. Or maybe you think it's smart to have no environmental policy.

Shorter DC: That you don't like my environmental policy means "you think it's smart to have no environmental policy."

Nobody light any matches. The strawman will go up in flames.

Jane

I just had a 5 minute conversation with Scott Brown, who I once again called "Scott" forgetting my manners. He doesn't care, but I should.

At any rate, I went to the site of the fundraiser to deliver something I have about Elizabeth Warren that I was asked to bring. The fundraiser starts at 6:00 so I figured it was fine to show up at 4:30 and give it to whoever was setting up.

Scott walked into the building in front of me, so I called out "Scott" like a moron.

So when I gave him the goods I said: "they are talking about her dropping out", and he said "she's in trouble" and I said "I want to know if she got scholarship money based on being an indian" and he said "I think they are looking into it". Then he said "stay" and I took off my sunglasses and he said" go have a drink" which I am doing.

I tell you, he is one hot guy!!!

Tom Maguire
He completed his JD in one year? How is that possible?

Like the good doctor above, I will guess that he finished the classwork and was All But Thesis on the PhD; he leaves for law school, finishes his theses during his free time in second year HLS, then picks up the law degree a year later.

Just from what he has accomplished I think we are talking about a pretty smart guy here. Not smart enough to position himself as a Native American Supreme Court candidate but still...

sailor

Well, duh, Jane. Scott was the centerfold for either Playboy or Esquire once upon a time.

Jane

I know ssilor, I worked for his last campaign and have met him several times. He hasn't lost any of it.

Clarice

Taranto BOTW-Genius :


That's what affirmative action actually affirms: the goodness of the "good people"--the kind of people who read a story like Tavernise's and pat themselves on the back for being more enlightened than those bigoted whites from Appalachia. White guilt these days is primarily directed outward. It is a means by which privileged whites assert their superiority over unprivileged ones.

Extraneus

If you're going to use that, Clarice, use the one on this (without the asterisk) or the last thread, which was an updated version from the one from VMIH. (Slashes in Papaw's father's papaw's generation line up better than the original.)

hit and run

TM, any thoughts of asking DublinDave to leave (from the previous thread):

I have a feeling Tom loves my valuable insights into Zimmerman/Martin and I wager a virtual $100 bucks he will never ask me to leave.

I for one don't want to see him go -- he's funny (in a point and snicker kinda way),but I would be willing to split the virtual $100 bucks with you if you should choose to ask him to leave.

hit and run

Jane:
Scott Brown, who I once again called "Scott" forgetting my manners. He doesn't care, but I should.

He wanted you to call him more than just Scott IYKWIMAITYD.

Clarice

Jane, we just may have to Indian wrestle for Scott..

MarkO

Then he said "stay" and I took off my sunglasses."

OK, Iggy. The pictures can't begin to top that.

Sue

Jane, we just may have to Indian wrestle for Scott..

Bwahaaha...Indian wrestle...

centralcal

Steyn is laugh out loud funny today:

Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Crockagawea Warren, Harvard Lore School's first Native American female professor.

Extraneus
How does she know she's a Cherokee maiden? Well, she cites her grandfather's "high cheekbones," and says the Indian stuff is part of her family "lore." Which was evidently good enough for Harvard Lore School when they were looking to rack up a few affirmative-action credits.
Heh.
Dave (in MA)
Then he said "stay"
What would have happened if he'd thrown a stick?
Jane

"Jane, we just may have to Indian wrestle for Scott.."

Oh I dunno. I gave him something he really wanted today, and he is not soon to forget. You better get crackin' if you want to win him from me.

"What would have happened if he'd thrown a stick?"

I'm pretty sure I deserved that.

Extraneus

I'm afraid she will get the hook in time for her party to put up someone else.

Me too. Let's hope the Dems are only reading their own publications.

sailor

My goodness, Jane, what does that mean? "I gave him something he really wanted."

Soylent Red

"What would have happened if he'd thrown a stick?"

What about given you a bone? OK, I **thwack** myself and my dirty mind for that. You can't take me anywhere.

It is a means by which privileged whites assert their superiority over unprivileged ones.

Shibboleths, Clarice.

OT, does anyone have a good text formatting add-on for Firefox? Text Formatting Toolbar has suddenly started giving me error messages when I try to do hotlinks.

DrJ

That's what you call a joint JD/PhD program.

They are different schools: Columbia and Harvard. The joint programs usually are at the same school.

he finished the classwork and was All But Thesis on the PhD

That would be ABD -- All But Dissertation.

Ignatz

--Then he said "stay" and I took off my sunglasses and he said" go have a drink" which I am doing.

I tell you, he is one hot guy!!!

Posted by: Jane | May 04, 2012 at 05:13 PM--

It was the perfect start to one of those Penthouse letter things and then it just stopped. You're killing us, Jane.

MarkO

Chick porn.

Extraneus

Have hope, Ig. We haven't heard what happened after the drink yet.

Soylent Red

Chick porn.

Just imagine the swooning if Scott Brown was a vampire...

Jane

"I'm afraid she will get the hook in time for her party to put up someone else."

There already is someone else: Marisa DeFranco, immigration lawyer. Here are the people who withdrew:

Tom Conroy, State Representative for the 13th Middlesex District[12] (Withdrew December 12, 2011[13])
Alan Khazei, founder of City Year organization[14] (Withdrew October 26, 2011[15])
James Coyne King, corporate lawyer[16] (Withdrew March 21, 2012)
Bob Massie, entrepreneur and 1994 Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor[17] (Withdrew October 7, 2011[18])
Herb Robinson, engineer[19] (Withdrew December 15, 2011[20])
Setti Warren, Newton mayor[21] (Withdrew September 29, 2011[22])

Other possibilities: Mike Capuano, U.S. representative[23]
Kim Driscoll, Salem mayor[24]
Barney Frank, U.S. representative[25]
Joseph P. Kennedy II, former U.S. representative[26]
Victoria Reggie Kennedy, Edward M. Kennedy's widow[27][28]
Stephen Lynch, U.S. representative[29]
Rachel Maddow, radio personality, television host and political commentator[30]
Marty Meehan, University of Massachusetts Lowell chancellor and former U.S. representative[31]
Thomas Menino, Boston mayor[32]
Deval Patrick, Massachusetts governor[33][34]
Robert Pozen, former MFS Investment Management chairman[35]
John Tierney, U.S. representative[36]
Warren Tolman, former state legislator[37]

As of Feb - the last polling Warren was at 72% and DeFranco at 5%.

What I don't know is how late you can get in.

hit and run

What's Penthouse?

Jim Ryan

I took off my sunglasses and he said" go have a drink"

??? Your eyes looked tired so he suggested you have a libation? Your eyes looked pretty so he invited you to have a drink with him?
???

MarkO

Penthouse is where Yoda lives.

Clarice

Jane, it seems you have written the perfect introduction to S.C.A.M.'s new literary enterprise--Chick porn.

I can just see the cover, her bodice is ripped by a gorgeous pol, red white and blue banners are in the background.

"She gave him what he really wanted..." says the lettering under the title "Hit and Run"..

Jim Ryan

Kramer used to read, it hit, is all's I know.

sailor

Penthouse is or was a magazine.

Beasts of England

Sorry I'm late to the comment section today, I spent way too much time admiring my high cheekbones. I'm serious, they're way up there. And my Mother - who is 1/4 Comanche - has always said that our cheekbones are one of two noticeable Indian (we've never said Native American) features; the other being a near-total lack of body hair.

BoE, aka Tonto Goldstein

Clarice

Jane, We have to get NOW and the rest of the harpies engaged to make it impossible for the party to push her out.

Women for warren or something...

pagar

The Obama regime's environmental policy,
to eliminate all private industry jobs in America; has struck the NYTs.

http://tinyurl.com/768u6gt

"Dozens just laid off at The New York Times - lawyers, minorities hardest hit"
------------------------------------------
May God bless all who work to insure there is some Christian effort to keep the Republican party on the straight and narrow, vs the total fraud of the American leftists.

daddy

Playing catch-up: Apologies if Mark Steyn's latest has already been been posted:

Fauxcahontas and the melting pot

Extraneus

What I don't know is how late you can get in.

Dems pick Lautenberg to replace Torricelli

October 01, 2002
sailor

Don't worry. The Dems will find somebody to run against Scott, but I think that they will keep Elizabeth Warren. She has the women and also the people who live on food stamps. The 99%!!!

Janet

OT, does anyone have a good text formatting add-on for Firefox? Text Formatting Toolbar has suddenly started giving me error messages when I try to do hotlinks.

Soylent -
Here is the Firefox site

and here is Codefisher which has toolbars too.

Jane

Jim,

The reason I didn't go to the fundraiser is I have an ear infection which has spread to my eyes, so I look ridiculous.

ALtho I really prefer the more provocative explainations.

Clarice, i just heard Juan Williams talk about how great the squaw is doing. We should wait a month or two before digging up all the AA scholarships.

sailor

But, Jane, I thought you went and talked to Scott Brown.

centralcal

sailor - Jane went to deliver some things prior to the start of the fundraiser and just happened to run into Scott.

Beasts of England

Ignatz@6:31 - Penthouse has letters? You're quite the scholar...

Jane

Janet,

Thank you. I've been trying to download that tool bar for days and your link finally made it happen.

hit and run

Clarice:
"She gave him what he really wanted..." says the lettering under the title "Hit and Run"..

You mean this banner:

Ignatz

--Ignatz@6:31 - Penthouse has letters? You're quite the scholar...--

A former life, many moons ago, Beasts, prior to the present Mrs. Ignatz becoming my personal pet and a much prettier one than Guccione's.

pagar

With Liz all things GOP are possible.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/75938.html

"Liz Cheney eyes the political stage"

Jane

Hey Hit! That sure looks familiar! Harrumph!

You know Windy Daze made that sign. On the reverse side it says "RESERVED". None of us were of course.

Jane

I would love to see Liz Cheney run Pagar.

Beasts of England

Ignatz@7:36 - I'm sure she is lovely. And lucky to have met a man with such exquisite taste in firearms, too!

Sara

Hey, I just remembered that I have a distant female ancestor who was captured by Indians and held captive for several months. I want a job at Harvard.

Sara

Soylent: The new Firefox 12 and the text formatting toolbar work happily together.

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