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May 10, 2012

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jimmyk

DoT, my question about the 13th Amendment was serious. You wrote: "I believe that any time it is amended, as amended it should remain a document specifying how powers generally should be vested, as opposed to one proscribing specific conduct in personal matters."

So how is an amendment proscribing involuntary servitude different in kind from an amendment proscribing same sex marriages? I'm not saying that slavery and same-sex marriage are analogous, obviously, I'm just trying to understand your point about appropriate and inappropriate amendments. Same-sex marriage is not about "specific conduct in personal matters," it's about the state sanctioning a particular type of contract, much as states had sanctioned slavery prior to 1863.

Beasts of England

Neo@10:07 - The originals? That's funny - when I was about three years old I did a very fine job of coloring on my Dad's original Master's diploma. Too bad he never had to bring it to an employer... And his baccalaureate diploma is huge (USMA, and framed before I could get to it) and I can imagine him lugging that one in, too. Thanks for the laugh!

boris

"it's about the state sanctioning a particular type of contract"

For all we know SCOTUS may hold that exclusively opposite sex marriage contracts are unconstitutional. The purpose of an amendment is simply to make marriage in it's original form an exception.

No need to outlaw an identical type of contract for same sex or any sex that's called something else ... pairrage for example.

Danube of Thought

"Since US Law was based on English Common Law, what 'doubts' existed for the Waite court to remark upon?"

I have no idea what that question means. US law is not exactly "based on" English common law, although US common law followed it beginning shortly after ratification. (Keep in mind the distinction between common and statute law.) US constitutional interpretation required reference to English common law, particulaly with respect to the meaning of ancient terms embodied in that law. And the several states expressly adopted English common law, which survives to a great extent in American common law today.

Danube of Thought

I'm turning in. If this thread is alive in the morning I'll get back to you, Jimmyk.

Isn't it sweet? The buubmeister really loves America, doesn't he? Can't you just taste the affection he feels for his countrymen?

Nytol.

jimmyk

No need to outlaw an identical type of contract for same sex or any sex that's called something else ... pairrage for example.

Boris, surely you're not talking about a constitutional amendment to define the word "marriage." My take on this whole kerfuffle is that it's not about the word, but about certain privileges, rights, etc. bestowed on married couples that are not necessarily available to any two people who shack up, even in a "civil union."

Walter

Jim, what exactly is a "B" or "T" marriage?

boris

"My take on this whole kerfuffle is that it's not about the word, but about certain privileges, rights, etc. bestowed on married couples that are not necessarily available to any two people who shack up, even in a "civil union."

It's not about the "word", it's about the meaning. The Ca judge claimed that (if I may) identical "privileges, rights, etc." were insufficient because the word marriage included "status and human dignity" lacking in civil unions.

My argument with that is the status and human dignity apply to the purpose and function of marriage, not to the word.

bunkerbuster

I knew I could count on DoT to go homoerotic on us. So predictable...

jimmyk

Ok, I guess "status and human dignity" were in my "etc." :)

But seriously, "status and human dignity" is not something that can be legislated or granted by a judge. Marriage (in the traditional sense) has those because of its value in society. If you extend marriage to include non-traditional relationships that don't have that value, then "marriage" will lose status and human dignity regardless of what a judge says. On the other hand, the subset of marriages that are traditional will still retain much of their status, I would think.

boris

"On the other hand, the subset of marriages that are traditional will still retain much of their status, I would think"

Loss of status is not my concern.

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

One answer might be "What difference does it make, so what?"

In this case IMO it does make a difference. Marriage is a real thing, more than a ritual, a legal agreement, or traditional custom. Why should those who have it, or may have it, give up any part of what makes it real?

boris

Privileges, rights, and responsibilities can be legally determined and assigned, but "status and human dignity" cannot. The legal system could only remove the ability to linguistically distinguish between the group that had it and the one that wants it. "Problem" solved.

daddy

Interesting isn't it that the Press always does All Night Vigil's trying to uncover the guy who leaves roses on Edgar Allen Poe's 150 year old tomb, but as to who's the "Niagara in the Woodpile" of Injun Harvard Law Professors, pfffft!

daddy

"...we will need an investigation of Ms Warren to see if she or any of the various academic institutions that employed her filed falsely for any federal grants based on her faux status."

We also need to know what specifically those academic institutions were advertising in their brochures for prospective students as to the Ethnic and Racial make-up of their faculty. If they were touting their faculty's Ethnic and Racial make-up as a positive feature of their Institution and curriculum for prospective students, and that information was in fact false, then I think a potential Law Suit is in order for academic fraud.

Hopefully we can get some reporters reassigned from the Edgar Allen Poe flower's beat to the Harvard Law School beat, but I'm not holding my breath.

daddy

"To compound the hilarity, U Penn is also concealing her specific minority status. So, just as Harvard claims to have a Native American on the law school faculty but won't say who it is, U Penn is also playing "spot the role model".


Costello: Are you the Head of the Faculty?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: You the Dean too?

Abbott: Well I should.

Costello: Well then who's on first?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: I mean the gal's name who's the minority.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The Native American Law Professor on first for Harvard.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The minority first baseman.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The gal playing...

Abbott: Who is on first!

Costello: I'm asking YOU who's on first.

Abbott: That's the minorities' name.

Costello: That's who's name?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: Well go ahead and tell me.

Abbott: That's it.

Costello: That's who?

Abbott: Yes.

PAUSE

Costello: Look, you gotta first baseman Law Prof minority?

Abbott: Certainly.

Costello: Who's playing first for HLS?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

Abbott: Every dollar of it, except what goes to the DNC.

Costello: All I'm trying to find out is the minority Law Prof's name on first base for Harvard.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The gal that gets...

Abbott: That's it.

Costello: Who gets the money...

Abbott: She does, every dollar, except for the DNC dues. Sometimes her significant other comes down and collects it.

Costello: Who's significant other?

Abbott: Yes.

PAUSE

Abbott: What's wrong with that?

Costello: Look, all I wanna know is when you sign up the first baseman, how does she sign her name?

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The Harvard minority Law Prof gal.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: How does she sign...

Abbott: That's how she signs it.

Costello: Who?

Abbott: Yes.

PAUSE

Costello: All I'm trying to find out is what's the minority gal's name on first base.

Abbott: No. What is the minority Law Prof on second base for the University of Pennsylvania.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: One base at a time!

Abbott: Well, don't change the players around.

Costello: I'm not changing nobody!

Abbott: Take it easy, buddy.

Costello: I'm only asking you, who's the minority Law Prof gal on first base for Harvard?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: Ok.

Abbott: All right.

PAUSE

Costello: What's the gal's name on first base?

Abbott: No. What is on second.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott: She's the minority on third for Rutger's Law School, we're not talking about her.

Costello: Now how did I get on third base?

Abbott: Why you mentioned her name.

Costello: If I mentioned the third baseman's name, who did I say is playing third?

Abbott: No. Who's playing first.

Costello: What's on first?

Abbott: What's on second.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott: She's on third.

Costello: There I go, back on third again!

PAUSE

Costello: Would you just stay on third base and don't go off it.

Abbott: All right, what do you want to know?

Costello: Now who's playing third base for Rutgers Law School?

Abbott: Why do you insist on putting Who on third base?

Costello: What am I putting on third.

Abbott: No. What is on second for Penn.

Costello: You don't want who on second?

Abbott: Who is on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott & Costello Together: Third base!

PAUSE

Costello: Look, you gotta outfield?

Abbott: Sure.

Costello: The left fielder's name?

Abbott: You.

Costello: Me?

Abbott: You.

Costello: Me? I'm in Left Field?

Abbott: That's right. You are in Left Field.

Costello: How the hell can I be out in Left Field?

Abbott: Cause anybody dumb enough to think they're actually gonna' get the names and ethnicities of the "minority Law Prof's" out of Harvard, Penn, or Rutger's are way the Hell out in Left Field.

bunkerbuster

Given that Jim Rhoads, boris, et al are unwittingly admitting that opposition to same-sex marriage comes down to word games, you might as well come all the way out of the closet and admit that the salient motive is to camouflage the shame and paralyzing moral insecurity of homophobes and the politicians who foment their freaky fears.
And be sure to remember to forget that the great triumph for Big Government Sex Meddling in North Carolina passed with a fulsome 21 percent of registered voters…

Jane

Jim,

I'm on board with your suggestion.

I just want to know when my "rights" as a single person will be protected? When will Bubu evolve enough to recognize them?

Clarice

Richard Miniter (FB)

"The Democrats had large majorities in both houses of Congress in the first two Obama years. Yet the president didn't even issue an executive order extending anti-discrimination protections in federal contracting to gay business owners, which the gay lobby has long demanded, let alone send a gay rights bill to the Democrats running Congress. Now gay marriage has zero chance of passage and Obama is suddenly for it. If you're a gay Democratic donor, you might feel a little used right now. And if you're a social conservative, you might feel energized: the president has now put in play a social issue where at least half the country agrees with you (including a majority of blacks and Hispanics) and the majority of GOP donors, who don't really care or don't agree with you, now will admit that your issue is important enough to fund."

Janet

CNN Legal Analyst: Obama's Grandparents 'Would Have Looked a Lot Like George Zimmerman's Grandparents'

Captain Hate

Civility; it's not what you think it means: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304070304577396412560038208.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop#articleTabs%3Darticle

narciso

The story thickens (or sickens)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/sister-of-alleged-romney-target-has-no-knowledge-of-any-bullying-incident/#.T6yUKQh3n2E.twitter

NK

Daddy@430-- absolutely brilliant. Left Field? I don't know, what if Dershowitz starts an academic fraud complaint against Warren? I don't think HLS and the media can bury this. They key thing is to bring it up late summer, too late for Warren to back out, and the Dems are stuck with her. Hell even BuBu admits she's a fraud and a cheat.

Threadkiller

"I would point out that there is case law dating back at least as far as 1608 dealing with the issue of "natural born." And unlike "marriage," natural-born was something the framers felt it necessary to address."

266 years later your your case law remained unpersuasive:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of the parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

Certainly they would have know of our English Common Law roots or do you contend that there was a quarter of a millennium cover up of Calvin's Case that The Supreme Court participated in?

narciso

You know I'm so confident in the 'wonderful
Democratic Egyptian revolution' aren't you;


http://au.christiantoday.com/article/egyptian-judge-frees-attackers-who-knifed-christian/13290.htm

Janet

That WSJ link is something. Just like the Joe the Plumber story & the Prop 8 stories about Mormon owned businesses. The whole "Bully" meme put up by the left is a joke. They are the out-of-control bullies.

If traditional beliefs were so evil & if not wanting to redefine marriage = slavery...then how are there so many successful homosexuals with money to donate to Obama?

narciso

So, the Post didn't get it exactly right, shocka,

https://twitter.com/#!/AshleyRParker/status/200787548707110913

fdcol63

" ... then how are there so many successful homosexuals with money to donate to Obama? .."

Having been unable to marry in the first place, gay couples didn't need to divorce.

Thus, they haven't had to pay alimony or child support in nasty divorces, like the rest of us.

This allowed them to KEEP and accumulate their money.

LOL

Threadkiller

" Amendment to Defund the Economic Development Administration House Floor, Washington, D.C. May 8, 2012

Mme. Chairman:

I rise in strong support of the amendment by the gentleman from Kansas.

The new Republican House majority was elected with the specific charge to bring spending under control. We can’t blame the Senate or the President any more if there’s waste in the budget. Money doesn’t get spent by this government unless the House says it gets spent. In a very real Constitutional sense, the buck starts here.

Here is an appropriations bill originating in this House that still has outrageously wasteful and indefensible spending. Perhaps the flagship of this folly is the $182 million in unauthorized – there’s that word again: unauthorized – spending for the Economic Development Administration.

This is solely and simply a slush fund that gives away money for the most dubious of local projects.

Local projects that benefit local communities should be funded locally. We shouldn’t be robbing St. Petersburg to pay St. Paul. We must ask ourselves, if these projects are so important to local communities, why are those local communities unwilling to pay for them? And if the communities that directly benefit from these projects are unwilling to pay for them, why are we spending federal money that we don’t have?

To add insult to insanity, this agency is already sitting on $845 million. Why on Earth would we provide it with another $180 million? We ought to abolish this agency and recover the unspent funds, not throw good money after bad.

Tim Carney hit it on the head in the Washington Examiner last October when he wrote,

“Nearly every Republican voted against President Obama’s stimulus in 2009, arguing that the deficit was too high, that government shouldn’t be in the game of picking winners and losers, and that Washington doesn’t create jobs. But the EDA adds to the deficit, picks winners and losers, and purports to create jobs. If Republicans vote to continue the EDA, they flaunt their hypocrisy to critics.” I have to agree.

I appreciate that the appropriations bills are making incremental improvements in the status quo, but these are times that demand much more than that. When members vote for these appropriations bills, they are responsible for the spending –and the waste – in them.

And this spending is simply indefensible. Doling out grants with little if any accountability, this ought to be the poster child for waste in government.

I appreciate the fact that the leadership has agreed to an open amendment process, giving us the opportunity to correct this particular oversight on the floor. But the fact of the matter is that the House is ill-equipped to comprehensively address this kind of waste from the floor and we must do better both as authorizing committees and the appropriations committee in combing these bills earlier in the process for unconscionable and indefensible expenditures."

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2012/05/amendment-to-defund-the-economic-development-administration.shtml

NK

Narc-- Insta linked to a Breitbart story that nails waPo even worse. The WaPo changed the text-- and completely changed the meaning of their story -- WITHOUT-- printing a formal retraction. The STORY -- more like a fable-- was written by one Jason Horowitz. next time you see his byline, you know he's a fraud:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Washington-Post-Hit-Piece-Implodes

Threadkiller

" Export-Import Boondoggle House Chamber, Washington, D.C. May 9, 2012

Mr. Speaker:

The Export-Import Bank dragoons American taxpayers into subsidizing loans to foreign companies, making it cheaper for them to buy products from politically-favored American companies which in turn use those products to compete against less-favored American companies.

Past beneficiaries include such upstanding enterprises as Solyndra and Enron. Since 2007, almost half of its money has gone to support that plucky little start-up called Boeing. Air India got $5 billion to purchase Boeing aircraft allowing them to undercut American carriers like Delta with their own tax money.

We’re told we need to compete with other nations that do the same thing. If other nations want to impoverish themselves in this manner – we don’t need to imitate them.

We’re told this doesn’t cost taxpayers – that in the last several years it’s actually turned a profit. That what they used to say about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac –until they blew up in our face.

Legitimate companies have plenty of access to private capital and don’t need these subsidies. The illegitimate ones shouldn’t be propped up with the hard-earned dollars of working taxpaying Americans."

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2012/05/the-export-import-boondoggle.shtml

AliceH

At what point does "dog bites man" overtake this bullying series of reports? It's starting to seem that most everyone in the country has been bullied, including those accused of being bullies themselves.

Maybe the real Pulitzer story is an investigation into "Secrets of the unbullied".

Extraneus

Has anyone claimed to know whether it can ever be too late for Warren to back out?

Remember Toricelli.

Late in an increasingly competitive race against Republican Doug Forrester, Torricelli suddenly withdrew after disclosure of undeniably illegal contributions to his campaign by David Chang, a businessman connected to North Korea.[2] Torricelli had previously denied this and a number of other charges, and in his withdrawal speech stated that despite his leaving public office in a different way than he planned, he was proud of his service. Shortly thereafter, the New Jersey Supreme Court tossed out the longstanding State election law and unanimously ruled that the Democratic Party could legally replace Torricelli's name on the ballot with that of former U.S. Senator Frank Lautenberg,[3] ironically a longtime Torricelli nemesis, with whom he had often publicly feuded. New Jersey Republicans had contested the Torricelli-Lautenberg swap on the grounds that the deadline for ballot changes had long passed. It seemed apparent to many that Torricelli had only made his decision after local polls showed, for the first time, that the scandal had damaged Torricelli's re-election chances beyond repair.[4]
That ruling came done on October 2nd.
The 7-0 decision cited previous rulings that said election law should be broadly interpreted to "allow parties to put their candidates on the ballot, and most importantly, to allow the voters a choice."
So we should probably think about doing a "Leave Elizabeth Alone!" video rather than piling on this nice minority lady.
NK

AliceH-- you speak of this bullying, like it's a bad thing?

Paulo

B A C K L A S H
POLL: OBAMA TRAILS ROMNEY 7%


http://www.drudgereport.com/

hit and run

Alice:
It's starting to seem that most everyone in the country has been bullied

In 2008 Michelle Obama told us that America is "just downright mean".

Or course now she's saying we're all fat. I think that's mean. And bullying.

Janet

The gays have become the bullies. The AGW/radical enviro grifters are the bullies. The Darwin evolutioners are the bullies. The food police are the bullies.
We HAVE TO do what they say & promote their beliefs...or WE are some kind of phobe & hater.

narciso

So, we're going to get a fair look, honestly why doubt it;


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/fashion/20speechwriter.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1336741362-kj9fzITrGfZFDwnC0FLyNw

GMAX

Honestly this is one more cigar blowing up in their stupid progressive faces. Look at the poll results. Last time I got my calculator out and checked 50% is the finish line, and the challenger seems to already be there with six months to go? Have a few more pander a thon fundraiser with the Hollywood crowd and call a majority of Americans names, its working out Real WELL.

Threadkiller

From NK's Brietbart link:

"So the Washington Post did what no reputable newspaper should ever do when caught falsifying testimony: it made a stealth correction to its own article."

This type of maneuver is to be used expressly by Law Professors, if it is to go unchecked by Brietbart staff.

" A professor of law at the University of Illinois, Lawrence Solum, in his 2008 Michigan Law Review article addressing the presidential eligibility of John McCain, asserted the "general agreement" that "Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a ‘natural born citizen.'"

But then a year and a half later (and coincidentally, as the "birthers'" nagging assertion that Obama did not have US citizen parents plural,gained wide recognition), Solum threw down his cloak and issued a revised version of his article, under the same title, with the above quotation changed to read: "As a matter of inclusion, anyone born on American soil with an American parent is clearly a ‘natural born citizen.'"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/obamas_puddles.html

Melinda Romanoff

Sheriff Joe now knows that the DoJ is a political cudgel.

It's part of what the Cook County Skool of Bidness teaches.

narciso

There are plenty of reasons to flag Norquist,
but unexpectedly Horowitz didn 't find them


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/07/15/wapo-grover-norquist-too-rigid-donna-edwards-keeps-obama-being-republica

GMAX

Bill Clinton quoted as saying "Barack Obama is an amateur". OH MY.

I would say they must have truncated the quote though. It actually was "Barack Obama is a rank amateur liar, unlike the professional that I am."

narciso

Compare and Contrast,

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2010/10/05/wapo-offers-gauzy-review-tropical-reign-hawaii-democratic-sen-daniel-i

bunkerbuster

Taken on their own, the accounts by Romney classmates describing his acts of bullying don't add up to much. Same goes for his Thurston Howell III act on the boat ramp, going Good Fellas in the face of a traffic cop at the Olympics, his comment that he "likes to be able to fire people'' and his offer to bet Rick Perry $10,000 over a debate point.
The sh@t starts to add up, though. And when your brand is "tough guy" you end up on a tightrope in a high breeze with "bully" on the other side...

jimmyk

I have to admit I enjoy seeing these lefties get the vapors over Mitt's alleged peccadilloes while Barry's team is going full Nixon on his enemies list. At any moment the pretzel twisting will result in bones snapping.

Paulo

"Washington Post Romney 'Bullying' Profile Contradicted By... Automobile Magazine

Jason Horowitz’s article contrasts sharply with a similar "flashback" article on Romney recently published in the June 2012 print edition of Automobile Magazine by author David Murray. Both articles chronicle anecdotal events in Romney’s teen years as told by classmates and friends. But while both quote some of the same people, the Washington Post article contains several inexplicable inconsistencies, omissions and false inferences.

The WaPo article focuses on the alleged John Lauber haircutting incident, including quotes from Romney childhood friend Phillip Maxwell: “’It was a hack job,’ recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. ‘It was vicious.’”

Apparently not so vicious, however, for Maxwell to relate the incident for the Auto Mag article. Auto Mag does, however, quote Maxwell giving crucial details notably missing from the Post piece: “’I'm a Democrat, so I won't vote for him,’ says Maxwell. 'But he'd probably make a pretty good President. He's very smart, very principled.’”

The Post neglected to mention these relevant facts, just as it neglected to mention Maxwell’s skepticism about Romney’s religion as reported in the Auto Mag piece: “‘He’s determined to claim the highest office in the land--to be the first Mormon to do it. He keeps that undercover because he doesn’t want to frighten people.’”

The Post also creates inferences about Romney that seem to be debunked in the Auto Mag article....

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/11/Washington-Post-Romney-Bullying-Profile-Contradicted-By-Automobile-Magazine

Thomas Collins

TK, are you and your better half recovered from the wild partying last night with me and my better half?

Jim Ryan

New president, a socialist, gets into office and says the economic woes are "worse than we thought." Obama, Hollande (over at Drudge). So, the recipe is:

1. Promise the moon. Hope, change, 8 weeks off and pension at 50.
2. Get elected.
3. Don't give 'em jack squat, but tell 'em the conservatives screwed things up "worse than we thought."

Threadkiller

We slept in The Commons, TC. Still trying to find our hotel.

henry

Reality is bullying the left, WI will have $154 million budget surplus due to increased income tax receipts from private sector growth.

narciso

You know it's almost as if they weren't really concerned about the issue; nah;


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/10/media-hate-money-politics-and-citizens-united-ruling-love-clooneys-ob

Sue

daddy,

That was awesome!

Janet

Yeah...Unions are the bullies, Atheists are the bullies...

Captain Hate

You know it's almost as if they weren't really concerned about the issue

If you put a "connect the dots" book for children in front of those 3 stooges, would they just stare uncomprehendingly at it?

rse

Yea henry. Prosperity really is awaiting once we can start rolling back the predators of the state.

Yes the bullying story is a misrep and outright lie but it also keeps the notion that bullying is a real omnipresent teen problem out there. Because much of the Common Core's actual implementation is social and psychological and parents might notice, all this bullying talk is to create a popular perception that there is a real problem so the focus of school can be changed to provide the solution. I will get very specific on that this summer but there are some pieces I need to put in place first.

LUN is today's post. It explains that innovation is the offered rationale for the changes. The reality though is that the changes make innovation unlikely. It creates a premium if you are among today's vendors.

jimmyk

"WI will have $154 million budget surplus"

Walker should be proposing rate cuts or debt retirement posthaste,

Clarice

Ras:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney earning 50% of the vote and President Obama attracting 43% support. Four percent (4%) would vote for a third party candidate, while another three percent (3%) are undecided.

This is the first time Romney has reached the 50% level of support and is his largest lead ever over the president. It comes a week after a disappointing jobs report that raised new questions about the state of the economy. See tracking history.


SEVEN PT LEAD TROLLS!!!

Danube of Thought

Minus 19 at Raz today.

Trails Romney by 7.

(Read that again.)

DebinNC

According to Dreams.., when Obama was an older teen, Grandma Toot was bullied by an aggressive panhandler who had repeatedly accousted her at her busstop. Still frightened the next morning, she asked Gramps to drive her to work, but having committed the unpardonable sin of mentioning the crazy guy was black, he was outraged and refused. The story then has Obama asking Gramps if he can drive her, but when Gramps informs him of Toot's racist remark, Obama doubles over as if punched in the gut and staggers off to Commie Frank's for help in understanding this startling development. Readers are left wondering what happened to his beloved Toot that morning, but presumbly, being the family breadwinner, she left for work with the prospect of facing the bully alone.

Janet

Someone was asking about the racial makeup of Punahou -

Which one is "Coretta"?...and Obama attending Punahou really doesn't fit with the whole "poor family" narrative. Punahou was an elite school...diplomats & the very wealthy...like Sidwell Friends here.

fdcol63

The MFM lies out their asses in reporting these stories, and they do it intentionally even though they will have to make corrections later, because they understand full well that they are making the FIRST IMPRESSION in people's minds on these stories.

They well understand the saying "you only get one chance to make a first impression", and they are professional experts at manipulating emotion and shaping people's opinions on issues.

They know that once they manipulate people's emotions and judgments on issues based on these erroneous "first impression" stories, it's almost impossible to change people's minds and emotions no matter how much contradictory and conflicting truthful information is published later.

This is why nothing in America will change for the better until we correct the liberal ideological dominance in the MFM, academia, Hollyweird, and gov't bureaucracies - the institutions that brainwash our children and citizens with their liberal lies and BS.

Rick Ballard

We can only hope that FudgePAC provides sufficient funds to keep the ACME Express rolling towards November under the careful guidance of the Pinhead Troika.

I believe the impeached perjurer and accused rapist was being very generous in assessing the President's performance as that of an amateur. 'Clueless beginner' would be closer to the mark.

MarkO

"Minus 19 at Raz today.
Trails Romney by 7.
(Read that again.)"

Is it too early for a Martini?

fdcol63

Janet, thanks for the Punahou info.

Janet

This is why nothing in America will change for the better until we correct the liberal ideological dominance in the MFM, academia, Hollyweird, and gov't bureaucracies - the institutions that brainwash our children and citizens with their liberal lies and BS.

Amen, amen, amen.

Danube of Thought

The poor Identity Teenager is consumed with hatred for his country and his fellow citizens.

narciso

They are all a pack of wretched Nazguls, not only Clinton and Carville, who vouched for Obama, let us never forget that. but Schmidt who is currently hanging in his volcano, waiting for a call from MSNBC/Politico but Brian Jones, his No. 2, who trashed the reputation of an up and coming public servant, to cover up his bosses treachery. Apparently that is not a bar to further employment,

Captain Hate

Romney bullying JEF by 7

h/t mama winger @ AoS

Janet

Still frightened the next morning, she asked Gramps to drive her to work, but having committed the unpardonable sin of mentioning the crazy guy was black, he was outraged and refused.

Yeah, Deb. Ol' Gramps Stanley is the sketchy one in the family. He was the friend of Frank Marshall Davis & Obama Sr.. It's like he wanted to be black.

Jane

The Commons

TK,

No "s".

hit and run

Janet:
Which one is "Coretta"?...

She had left Punnahoa by that age.

hit and run

MarkO:
Is it too early for a Martini?

Certainly not.

Martini

Rob Crawford

He was the friend of Frank Marshall Davis & Obama Sr.. It's like he wanted to be black.

No -- he wanted to be a commissar.

He must be so proud of his grandson.

Danube of Thought

"Certainly they would have know of our English Common Law roots..."

They did and they do. If the issue of the meaning of "natural born" is ever presented to them, I am confident that they will conclude that the meaning was informed by Calvin's case. It hasn't been presented to them, and certainly wasn't in the Happerstet case, where the sole issue to be decided was whether a woman had a constitutional right to vote.

You can quote that Happerstet dictum for the remainder of your days, but you will never find any judge or serious legal scholar who believes it who thinks it controls the question.

Ignatz

--If the issue of the meaning of "natural born" is ever presented to them...--

Excuse me for a minute.
I have to go hang myself.

MarkO

Great shot, hit.

DebinNC

Gramps sounds like a bully. Is there any evidence in Obama's self-serving books that he ever personally confronted him or any other bully? At least Bill Clinton claims as a teen he manned up and told off his bullying, alcoholic stepdad.

narciso

If Quirin or Eisentrager weren't considered
controlling precedent in the set of cases, ending in Boumedienne, then Hapersett will not be,

Someone on Hot Air pointed out that Maxwell, was more proactive in the incident, than even Mitt, so he has reason to embellish the incident, If this was set in the Boston, it would be the opening to a Denis Lehane novel.Elmore Leonard being too gritty, to characterize doings at Cranbrook,

jimmyk

having committed the unpardonable sin of mentioning the crazy guy was black

So Toot's harrasser was only "panhandling while black." He could have been Frank Marshall Davis's son.

Captain Hate

They know that once they manipulate people's emotions and judgments on issues based on these erroneous "first impression" stories, it's almost impossible to change people's minds and emotions no matter how much contradictory and conflicting truthful information is published later.

I'm trying to figure out if they could be any worse if they'd gotten that federal "shield law" that they were stumping for up until the inauguration of the JEF. The founding fathers never gave them any special dispensation that we don't have because they were mostly shill sheets at least as bad as the current versions as far as pushing an ideology; similar to the pamphleteers although obviously Thomas Paine was more erudite than the current clown car posse. This "objectivity" that they claim to have had is about as verifiable as the Loch Ness monster. They're being supplanted by people like TM but they won't go quietly.

hit and run

Deb:
Is there any evidence in Obama's self-serving books that he ever personally confronted him or any other bully?

There's the story of his dad confronting the racist in the bar...

The room fell quiet, and people turned to my father, expecting a fight. Instead, my father stood up, walked over to the man, smiled, and proceeded to lecture him about the folly of bigotry, the promise of the American dream, and the universal rights of man. “This fella felt so bad when Barack was finished,” Gramps would say. “that he reached into his pocket and gave Barack a hundred dollars on the spot. Paid for all our drinks and puu-puus for the rest of the night – and your dad’s rent for the rest of the month.

It's totally true too. I mean,there's no reason to think Obama embellished any of the stories in his best selling autohagiography,right?

Threadkiller

Explain what precedent the Court in Lockwood was making reference to when they cited Minor.

““In Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, this court held that the word ‘citizen’ is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation, and, in that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution as since;”

Captain Hate

At least Bill Clinton claims as a teen he manned up and told off his bullying, alcoholic stepdad.

That might be the biggest crock Slick ever unleashed this side of "I didn't inhale". There's no way a cowardly rapist would've ever stood up to somebody bigger than he was. My guess is that he was hiding in the closet and spanking his monkey while he took tips from his stepdaddy on the way to deal with wimmenz who've been whoring around.

Janet

Gramps was the one in love with Barack Sr..

Was "the universal rights of man" a common phrase back then? I'm sure alcoholic Barack Sr. was pontificating about the American dream while in a bar too...

Janet

more of the quote from hit's link -

"By the time I was a teenager, I’d grown skeptical of this story’s veracity and had set it aside with the rest. Until I received a phone call, many years later, from a Japanese-American man who said he had been my father’s classmate in Hawaii and now taught at a midwestern university… during the course of our conversation, he repeated the same story that my grandfather had told, about the white man who had tried to purchase my father’s forgiveness. “I’ll never forget that,” the man said to me over the phone; and in his voice I heard the same note I’d heard from Gramps so many years before, that note of disbelief – and hope."

What BS.

fdcol63

Bubba's Presidential Library still looks like a trailer to me:

DebinNC

There's no way a cowardly rapist would've ever stood up to somebody bigger than he was

I think he genuinely loved his mama. Plus, as a fat kid, he'd probably endured more than his share of bullying. I can see him finally having enough, because a similar incident between me and my alcoholic father remains clear as day 50 yrs. later.

fdcol63

Hey ... I promise I had width and height dimensions in that pic!

narciso

It feels like that part in the Manchurian Candidate, where all the POW's were programmed to say, that Sgt Shaw, was the
'bravest, kindest, person they ever knew'
doesn't it, of course the likes of John Drew
who offer opposite recollections, might as well be 'unpersons'

Danube of Thought

The Lockwood Court stated succinctly the holding of Happersett:

"Hence, that a provision in a state constitution which confined the right of voting to male citizons of the United States was no violation of the federal constitution."

Threadkiller

Fear not Ignatz! We are headed out to explore more of Boston, so you get a natural reprieve.

I must add what a treat it was to meet Mrs. TC. My wife and I had a wonderful time last night. TC is the highlight of our trip. (Of course all the drinking did not persuade me to say that)

hit and run

Here's an artist's rendition of the interior of Obama's presidential library:

Oh,wait. That's too far out,let's zoom in on the only shelf with anything on it:

Two memoirs. The sum total of Obama's written record actually available. I'm not sure though. I was told the only reason the Obamacare bill wasn't included was because Obama's never read it. But if that's the case then Dreams shouldn't be included either...

narciso

So, if your parents were not born here, and they were not citizens atthe time of one's birth, one could never become president, that seems to be a crampted vision of civic duty.

Ignatz

Is that a Chinese flag next to the American one at Slick's library?

Threadkiller

I guess Minor was about citizenship as well.

Thanks DoT.

fdcol63

Ignatiz, either Chinese or Soviet. LOL

Captain Hate

I can see him finally having enough, because a similar incident between me and my alcoholic father remains clear as day 50yrs. later.

You can believe what you want but he's a known and convicted liar who twists everything to make himself look better. He got away with that whopper because nobody was there to refute it except his mother who would obviously stay mum. I would never insult you by comparing your reaction to a situation to that lowlife's.

fdcol63

Ignatz, sorry for the extra i.

hit and run

Boy,that Romney really is a bully,isn't he?

He all but forced his way into someone's house he didn't even know that well. On Christmas Eve no less. The nerve!

Look,it's obvious,Barack Obama would never,ever behave that way.

hit and run

fdcol63
Ignatz, sorry for the extra i.
--stuff Obama would never say

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