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May 10, 2012

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DebinNC

A good example of Obama as bully is the saga of Joe the Plumber. An unsuspecting guy is in his yard throwing a ball with his son when a complete stranger enters his life uninvited and subsequently does everything within his power to ruin it.

narciso

You know, it's bewildering, Warren is a fraud, personally and professionally, yet she came very close to heading up the most powerful agency in the government, and had some of these current contratempts, not come out, likely might have won the Senate Seat, .

Zimmmerman by contrast, might have been overzealous, in his avocation.but he can't show his face in public, even his parents probably have to hire security for themselves, for a tragic mistake,

Al Sharpton, the national arsonist, despite having ruined too many lives to count, still receives an undue amount of
credit, as we saw with the example of Lowry and Santorum.

narciso


Four I mean five grams of chocolate rations, Minitrue wouldn't lie;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/us-usa-economy-sentiment-idUSBRE84A0PN20120511

Dave (in MA)

Iggy, it's the same color as the Arkansas state flag, at least.

Any truth to the rumor that the Clenis Prez Library is a double-wide?

Ignatz

--Iggy, it's the same color as the Arkansas state flag, at least.--

Yeah, Dave, but I'm figuring John Huang would be more likely to pay for a ChiCom flag than a Razorback one.

Ignatz

--Ignatz, sorry for the extra i.--

No problem. Binocular vision always comes in handy.

Melinda Romanoff

Ig-

That's supposed to go on Hillary's Library.

Oh, wait....

hit and run

And be sure to remember to forget that the great triumph for Big Government Sex Meddling in North Carolina passed with a fulsome 21 percent of registered voters…

A much more impressive 13% voted against the amendment.

This is what . . . democracy looks like.

Speaking of which . . . isn't it impressive that 900K Wisconsin residents signed a petition! Put their John Hancock on a piece of paper.

Of course, that's 15% of the Wisconsin population.

Of those 900K, 670K actually showed up to vote for a Democrat on Tuesday. Why over a quarter of those who signed the petition wouldn't bother to vote is a deep mystery. But we do know that 19% of registered voters expressed their desire to see Walker recalled by casting a ballot, which is, coincidentally enough, the means by which elections are decided.

Someone's full (of it) and then some.

Sue

“that he reached into his pocket and gave Barack a hundred dollars on the spot.

Wow. No wonder Obama likes the idea of reparations. What the hell?? I know when I feel bad I reach into my pocket and draw out $100 bills.

NK

Narc10:57-- you raise a very good point about the real world immorality and crimes of the Legacy Media. The worst inference the available facts allow anybody to say about GZ are that he was willful,had bad judgment, a temper and he was a busybody --people here vigorously dipute that, but let's agree if you draw negative inferences that's the worst anybody can say about GZ. Look what the lying media and racialists have done to him. Those same people, say nothing about an obvious racial and academic fraud, Liz Warren, or a racial arsonist Sharpton. The media and the racialists all go to the Lefty cocktail parties together and laugh at the rest of us who demand the facts and the truth-- not some 'narrative'-- and they will cruelly ruin anybody who threatens their bagus narrative-- like GZ. They are disgusting.

NK

bagus= bogus

DebinNC

Ooo..."Provocative" has such a tantalizing ring to it. Kudos, rse.

Jane

Sue,

I'm with you. Who on this planet would ever do this:

“This fella felt so bad when Barack was finished,” Gramps would say. “that he reached into his pocket and gave Barack a hundred dollars on the spot. Paid for all our drinks and puu-puus for the rest of the night – and your dad’s rent for the rest of the month."

It's just so screwed up. It reflects Obama's (and Holder's) mindset about what white people owe blacks and nothing else.

I'd bet $100 that it is a big fat lie.

Melinda Romanoff

hit-

Keep in mind that there were those in Wisconsin who, correctly, understood that they could vote in both primaries.

Where they were incorrect, however, was in assuming they could do so all on one ballot. It created an "overvote" and the ballots were tossed. I would love to know what that number is.

Sue

I'd bet $100 that it is a big fat lie.

Me too. $100 back then was like $1000 now. And they were in a dive. Anyway, it seems Obama never lets the truth get in the way of a good story.

Clarice

I'd bet the bar story is a lie, too. Hit, you are on a ROLL.

Clarice

Great and well-deserved plug, rse.

Sue

The best part of the public realizing that Obama's girlfriend is a "composite" is larger portions of the public now question anything he wrote in the book.

narciso

So this Bruno Michel character, is he simply a knave in Dimon's stable, or something else,
btwe, what is it with French traders, making off with the silver. Soc Gen, being just a recent example, is everyone working off the faked crop report.

Gus

Maybe Elizabeth Ward Churchill Warren knows something that we don't.
Did they include FREE, race change operations in that Obamacare monstrosity??

As for Wisconsin, Scott Walker is going to beat Tommy Choo Choo Barrett like a drum.

NK

Sue-- IMO, 50%+ of the voters know that not just the book, but 'Bam himself is a composite. He's a hardcore Leftist, so a tiny political minority in the USA. So his public persona? A fabrication to make himself relevant and gain power. I believe enough voters have caught on to the Kenyan Candidate.

Jane

Mel what is the deal with JP Morgan?

Rick Ballard

"Mel what is the deal with JP Morgan?"

Errors were made. Rather expensive ones.

NK

"Errors were made. Rather expensive ones."-- and now the Volcker Rule will be passed with sharp teeth-- when Dimon complains about Volcker being too hard on banks earning a trading profit, the DC types will laugh at him. This is a real mess.

narciso

No Rick ,errors ensued, it's not for us to judge who killed Colonel Plum or with what.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2142866/JPMorgan-Chase-trader-Bruno-Michel-Iksil-thought-2bn-loss.html

Jane

Well as long as their retainer is up to date in a Holder law firm, no worries.

narciso

Like the Ginsu knives commercials, wait there's more, at least in the South Bend Tribune, had any say in it.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Washington-Post-Hit-Piece-Implodes

Party of Reagan

Dimon; What? Me Worry?

IGMFY !

he 54-year-old, regarded as a key lieutenant of chief executive Jamie Dimon, has been running the chief investment office since February 2005. The bank uses the CIO to make broad bets to hedge its portfolios.

Ultimately, she is in charge of Bruno Michel Iksil, the London-based trader nicknamed the 'London Whale', whose trades are reported to be behind the loss.

Last year she received a cash bonus of $4.7m, a share award of $7.1m, options worth $1.5 million and a base salary of $750,000, according to regulatory filings by the bank.

Mark Folkestad

PoR: Last year she received....

Sorry to have to break this to you, but BRUNO Michel Iksil is a guy.

Mark Folkestad

Oops. Sorry, I was on the phone and read that one too fast.

NK

On cue from the regulatory fascists in DC about FinReg: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-10/volcker-rule-proponents-say-jpmorgan-loss-bolsters-case.html

Mark Folkestad

I hang my head in shame.

Rick Ballard

17-19 yo Black Children have killed more than 200 Blacks since Grillntats Obama found his limits.

200+

Younger and older Blacks have accounted for another 1,100 Black murder victims in the same period. The Black Klan needs to look into the root cause of blacks killing more blacks every year than the total who were lynched over eighty years.

Mark Folkestad

I only have this excuse, I've been beating my head against the wall after reading more of DuDa's doodoo on the other thread.

AliceH

via NRO, Kevin Williamson: "It’s a scandal when banks make profits, and it’s a scandal when they make losses. The only thing financial firms do that Democrats do not object to is write checks to Barack Obama. (Nearly a million bundled by Jon Corzine of MF Global? Yep.)"

harrjf

Mel,

The issue of people voting in both the Dem/GOP recall was reported in Madison. The optical scanners rejected the ballots upon reading. This resulted in the ballot having to be cancelled and a new ballot issued. Delaying the voting and using more ballots than had been planned. Big annoyance but no extra over/under counting.

NK

harrjf-- thanks for that Wisc vote explanation. So why so many fewer than 900,000 Dem voters? Bogus petition signatures? apolitical go-along petition signatures?

Mark Folkestad

NK, isn't the answer to your question obvious? Petitioners Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse and more like them couldn't change their shooting schedules for cartoons and there wasn't enough time to get absentee ballots.

AliceH

900K (though per Verify the Recall, more likely ~550K) petition signers were signing AGAINST Walker, but a fair percentage of them might well have assumed they'd have better Democrat candidates on the ballot to vote FOR. Wasn't there still talk of maybe Feingold (for one) running while the petition was being circulated?

henry

AliceH, Feingold was the dream. Also lots of talk about David Obey and Herb Kohl, with a visit from teh Rahm at the last minute to push Barrett in.

narciso

THey figured out the slippery slope ends up there;


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/11/tlcs-ister-wives-polygamist-family-supports-same-sex-marriage/

Danube of Thought

"I guess Minor was about citizenship as well."

It was about whether citizenship conferred a constitutional right to vote (the answer was no). The maning of natural-born had no bearing on the case.

AliceH

Well, there ya go. I think a lot of enthusiasm dried up when the choices changed from Walker v. "my dreamboat candidate, and a unicorn" to Walker v. the actual slate of Democrat alternatives. Reality bites.

Gus

Wisconsin is doing quite well. I had a woman at my business today that was worried about cuts to education in Wisconsin.
The current ADMIN/WALKER and both the House and Senate have made it abundantly clear to school districts that they can easily offset any cuts, by, shopping for Teachers health care products OUTSIDE OF THE UNION COMPANY, and by require TEACHERS to pay 5plus percent of their retirement funding and by requiring TEACHERS to pay 1/8, of the HEALTH BENEFIT PREMIUM.
And WISCONSIN is now solvent.

Threadkiller

I don't see "vote" in the citation. Let's look again:

From Lockwood:

““In Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, this court held that the word ‘citizen’ is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation, and, in that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution as since;”

Without injecting voting issues that do not exist in the citation, will you please explain what precedent the Court in Lockwood was making reference to when they cited Minor.

MJW

According to this hand inflation calculator, $100 in 1961 was equivalent to over $720 in 2010. Wow, that must have been quite a speech by Barack Sr.

MJW

...handy inflation calculator...

I dream of the day I make a comment I don't have to correct.

Danube of Thought

"I don't see 'vote' in the citation."

You don't see it because you elected to quote a dictum from the case, rather than its holding. Its holding is summarized in the passage from Lockwood that I quoted at 10:33. You do not seem to like that statement of the holding, and so you ignore it altogether.

(Interested readers--all three of you--who have any dounts about whether the question presented in Happersett was whether citizenship conferred a right to vote are invited to read the opinion.)

AliceH

The guy was possibly a bit tipsy and likely thought he pulled a $10 bill out -- enough to buy a couple rounds.

I find their unprotesting acceptance of that $100 astonishingly bad manners. Not even a fleeting thought of saying "no, thanks - you keep your money, apologies are enough". I hope they at least left a generous tip.

MJW

According to a government census site, the median 1960 Hawaii rent was $355 in 2000 dollars, which is $61.74 in 1961 dollars.

MJW

I initially failed to notice the census site has an unadjusted table, which gives the 16960 Hawaii median rent as $72.

MJW

...1960 Hawaii median rent as $72.
(So obvious that it's hardly worth correcting.)

Clarice

LI:
Now the last documentary hope that Warren could prove she is 1/32 Cherokee has been foreclosed by Michael Patrick Leahy writing this afternoon at Breitbart.com:

The slender thread upon which Elizabeth Warren’s claim that she is 1/32 Cherokee rests—a purported 1894 marriage license application—has been exposed as non-existent. Based on a review of the original marriage records found in the files of the Logan County, Oklahoma Court Clerk’s office in Guthrie, Oklahoma, and the statements of ReJeania Zmek, the Court Clerk of Logan County, Oklahoma, it is likely that the ephemeral 1894 marriage license application never existed..

I reached out to Christopher Child, the well-known genealogist who was the source of the claim, and his employer, the prestigious New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS), but they have gone silent, refusing to comment on, defend or correct their claim that Warren was 1/32 Cherokee. The e-mail exchange appears at the bottom of this post.

The fallout from Elizabeth Warren’s claim to Native American status threatens to drag down not only her campaign, but also the credibility one of the premier genealogical societies.

Threadkiller

Calvin's Case is pure dictum in WKA but that never stops you.

For the sake of getting a straight answer, I will not argue whether the citation I have posted is dictum or not. That is immaterial to the question you are evading.

Dicta or not the court clearly believes the court in Minor "held" something.

Here is the quote again:

“In Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, this court held that the word ‘citizen’ is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation, and, in that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution as since;”

The question remains open:


Will you please explain what precedent the Court in Lockwood was making reference to when they cited Minor.

Danube of Thought

"Calvin's Case is pure dictum in WKA but that never stops you."

I cite Calvin ecause it is the Calvin case itself--not WKA--that considers and decides the question of the meaning of natural born. I often quote WKA's discussion of the role of the common law in constitutional interpretation, although that discussion is not part of the holding of the case, i.e., not essemtial to what the Court was being asked to decide. I cite that dictum only because I understand the matter of the role of the common law not to be disputed. If anyone contended otherwise, I would cite other sources, but frankly it is a proposition that I have never seen questioned.

Danube of Thought

"Will you please explain what precedent the Court in Lockwood was making reference to when they cited Minor."

They were referring to the precedent that citizenship did not confer a right to vote.

Threadkiller

Were you shocked to see Calvin's Case never stated mere birth on English soil alone was sufficient to confer natural born subjecthood?

But you make me digress.

I am saddened by your answer. You must see the word "held" and its placement in the citation. Your conclusion is without any foundation.

Threadkiller

For the three interested followers of this topic, here is probably the best resource on "natural born".

http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

You may enjoy the research on Calvin's Case. I know I did.

Danube of Thought

I know what the holding of a case is. That statement by the Court is simply in error; had it been rigorous it would have said "we ruled."

I have read Calvin's case. I know exactly what it held.

Threadkiller

If you say so. I will fix it for clarity.

"In Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, this court held ruled that the word ‘citizen’ is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation, and, in that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution as since;”


What precedent did the Lockwood court deem to have been held ruled by the Minor court?

Danube of Thought

It tells us a great deal thiat TK's "best resource" on natural born is a birther site. It is best if you begin with the belief that Obama is not natural born, and you want to read stuff by fringe types who are willing to mischaracterize cases, cite dicta as holdings, and use a host of methods of argumentation that would merit sanctions if submitted to a court in a legal brief.

Rather than resort to a birther site, I would recommend a serious reader consult the cases themselves and the commentaries upon them. Reading the recent case decided by the Indiana Court of Appeal (re Obama himself) is a nice place to start.

Threadkiller

Attack the resource. There you go again DoT.

Is the resource incorrect that Calvin's Case was clear on the lack of subjecthood of non-Christians born on English soil?

Where is narciso to faint over Fuller?

You guys...

Threadkiller

Here is where DoT would have you start:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

You will enjoy it as well.

Threadkiller

DoT, should the readers be left on their own with Ankeny?

Maybe you should break down what is holding and what is dicta in Ankeny.
For your first recommended source I sure hope you didn't send them to a trap.

Threadkiller

If you are finished with that fine piece of dicta, DoT presented, I would like to present something a little more challenging from SCOTUS.


Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/28/99/case.html

Sorry about it being Justia.

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