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May 01, 2012

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Danube of Thought

So what does this make George Zimmerman?

Dave (in MA)

David Burge ‏ @iowahawkblog
"#AskElizabethWarren My car has lugnuts from a Jeep. Should I retitle it as a Cherokee?"

Danube of Thought

Will the press start calling her a White Native American?

Sue

Stealing from a commenter at Hot Air, look on the bright side. Elizabeth Warren has given us a new race...White Cherokee.

Gus

I'm part BLACK!!! I just found out recently. I found out so I could "appease" Al Sharpton.
It's true. My great great great Uncle was a Blacksmith.
I wonder if there are any scholarships available to me??

Dave (in MA)

I think it's time for an update to this skit. How about it, SNL?

Comanche Voter

As Ms. Warren rummages through her racial past (at first she thought she might have some Delware Indian blood, then it was "Mohawk" and now she's a Cherokee), you'd think she would be better organized. After all The Bamster tapped her to manage a major agency.

Oh wait! She's at least as competent as Janet Napolitano, Steve Chu or Eric Holder.
My mistake.

AliceH

Cherokee Nation - I loved that song when I was a kid. So earnest and sincere. Especially the line

"Took away our way of life
The Tomahawk and the Bowie knife".

LOL - that still cracks me up.

Sue

OMG. Romney meets this morning with Michael Bloomberg and Fox's Ed Henry starts the "VP" talk. I'll jump out a window, granted one low to the ground, if Romney chooses Bloomberg as his running mate.

Clarice

Kicka poo and to the law school liars, too.

sailor

He won't Sue.

Extraneus

From TM's linked article, here's the evidence:

Warren’s Great-great-great grandmother , O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on her son’s 1894 marriage license as a Cherokee.

That's quite a shred.

Rob Crawford

Wait... three greats to someone in 1894? For my family, three greats lands somewhere around 1840s.

Rob Crawford

Extraneus, that makes more sense.

Sue

The only way you can become a tribal member, or claim recognized citizenship as a Cherokee Indian, is if your ancestor is listed on the Dawes Roll. Let's see if her gggrandmother is there.

Jane (Better a crate than a plate)

Sue,

If that happens it's time to make an early move to the island.

Anyone else seriously considering where to move if Obama gets a second term?

Gus

Extraneus!!! Holy Smoke signals!!!
I might be related to Elizabeth "Ward Churchill" Warren. yes yes yes it's true.
I'm related to a black Smith and she's related to an Indian Smith.

GMAX

The reports I am reading are giving Fauxcahontas 1/32 Cherokee blood. But doesnt that depend on her GGG GM being 100% Cherokee. What if he ancestor is less than full blood Cherokee, which I think is at least a possibility. Does her Cherokee ancestry go from about 3% to less than 2% with a 50% Cherokee?

Bruce

Volokh.com: Elizabeth Warren Update

Harvard and other elite law schools are now hiring tenured faculty primarily based on teaching prowess, rather than scholarship? Expect the relevant lateral appointments committees to be inundated with c.v.s from student-selected “professors of the year” who have until now somehow escaped the top law schools’ notice.

Captain Hate

Maybe Liz heard fellow Native Indigenous American Cher's song "Gypsys, Tramps and Thieves" and identified with at least 67% of it.

Gus

The question remains.

Why did Ward Churchill Warren think it was necessary to list herself as "Minority/Native American"?
And after doing so for numerous years, how is it that Ward Churchill Warren DID NOT KNOW how/where/why etc in regard to this claim?
I think we all know that answer.
She's a LIBTARD.
It's not like she was named after SIR EDMUND HILLARY or anyting.

Danube of Thought

Prof. Jacobson:

On what basis does someone who is 1/32nd of anything claim that 1/32nd as ethnicity or race for any purpose? And is it believable that Warren had no purpose in claiming Native American status when she was building her career in a field which desperately sought minority, and particularly Native American, members.

The issue, though, is larger than Warren personally and goes to the ethos of Warren’s campaign.

How ironic that the new liberal lioness has resorted to counting drops of blood for her self-identification.

Danube of Thought

My g-g-g-grandfather beat the British on the Great Lakes in 1812.

BlueOx

AliceH,

I assume the actual lyric will be less humorous for you.

"They took away our way of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife"

AliceH

I assume the actual lyric will be less humorous for you.

Awww... Though, in a way it's even funnier, though the target of amusement shifts 180 degrees to point directly at me, laughing at nothing at all for decades.

Now I have a new submission to The Archive of Misheard Lyrics aka Kiss this guy com

Thanks!

Dave (in MA)
My g-g-g-grandfather beat the British on the Great Lakes in 1812.
Wow, your grandfather must have lived a long life. Does the stuttering run in your family?
Marek

not to be a pedant, but Cherokee Nation was actually titled "Indian Reservation: The Lament of the Cherokee Reservation People;" it was written by JD Loudermilk and made famous by Paul Revere & the Raiders. I don't believe it was ever recorded by Cher.

That said, maybe Warren could solicit that rare country music Democrat, Tim McGraw, to sing his derivative "Indian Outlaw" at her rallies.

Gus

DANUBE....BINGO.

Libtards are USERS. Ward Churchill Warren is a LIBTARD. Transitive property.

DrJ

OT: the newspaper daily circulation numbers are out for the last six months.

1. The Wall Street Journal: 2.1 million, about the same as a year earlier.

2. USA Today: 1.8 million, down less than 1 percent.

3. The New York Times: 1.6 million, up 73.1 percent.

These include digital subscriptions.

centralcal

Just adding to DrJ's comment:

Of the big boys, The Washington Post had the roughest year; it saw an almost eight percent drop in its total circulation.

Danube of Thought

"Wow, your grandfather must have lived a long life."

Hell, he's s-s-s-still w-w-w-with us.

TexasMom2012

Wow, I am 50 but I have a grandfather that was born in 1887, served in WWI and had his only child when he was my age. That was on my dad's side. On Mom's side, an ancestor of ours named Anika Jan had the charter for a large area of Wall Street (including land on which Trinity Church was built) granted by Holland back when it was still New Amsterdam. My great aunt had the papers to prove it... So not 'legend'. I actually read the name in a history textbook back in high school...

Gus

TexasMom, I think you need reparations for that land.

sbwaters

They used Microsoft Word in 1894?

NK

In other news: from the world of Fairfield County's financial services elite--
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-01/morgan-stanley-s-jennings-gets-non-jury-trial-in-stabbing-case.html

Porchlight

Wait... three greats to someone in 1894?

Good catch, Rob Crawford. It doesn't say that the person was living in 1894, but was listed as Cherokee "in an 1894 document."

But it is odd. Warren is just a couple of years younger than my mother, whose great-great-greatgreat-grandmother was born in 1803.

Extraneus

Employers could save billions by dropping workers from health plans, report shows

A new survey of Fortune 100 companies finds that the health care overhaul, contrary to the claims of its authors, created some perverse incentives for employers to drop workers from company insurance plans.

Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee surveyed the top 100 companies about how much they spent on health care -- a total of 71, covering 5.9 million employees, responded. The results suggested it would be far more attractive for companies to drop workers from those plans than keep them.

Even after paying a penalty of $2,000 per employee, the companies stand to save $28.6 billion in 2014 alone by shifting employees to health insurance exchanges governed by strict federal standards. The companies stand to save more than $422 billion over the first 10 years of the law by doing this.

"The penalties for the employers who drop coverage are very low, and the subsidies for the workers in the exchanges are very high," said James Capretta, with the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

If the companies indeed take this step, the move would fly in the face of pledges by the law's backers, including President Obama, that U.S. workers would not lose their employer-provided health plans.

Shifting over to the insurance exchanges, while potentially a hassle for employees who had that decision mostly taken care of at their jobs, might not necessarily be a bad thing.

The new exchanges would offer several choices of plans, and workers would get generous federal subsidies -- which only phase out at about $88,000 income.

Threadkiller

Bret solves the mystery:

"There are the people who are born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen and the other who is a U.S. national (that is, from an outlying possession of the U.S.), provided the citizen parent has lived in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to the birth of the child. And then there are the people who are born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen and the other who is an alien, provided the citizen parent lived in the United States or its possessions for there are the people who are born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen and the other who is an alien, provided the citizen parent lived in the United States or its possessions for at least five years, two of them after the age of 14.

They’re all natural born U.S. citizens. That also includes people who are born in Puerto Rico and people who were born in states before they became states. Born in Hawaii in 1950, a decade before statehood? You’re a natural born U.S. citizen."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/blog/2012/05/01/bret-explains-natural-born-citizen-requirements-president-and-vice-president

Clarence, "The Evader", Thomas and Jose, "The Puerto Rican", Serrano will be relieved.

http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/142101/


Porchlight

whose great-great-greatgreat-grandmother was born in 1803.


Oops, I put too many greats in there. S/b great-great-great-grandmother.

Campesino

So let's get this straight - our nation's law schools were under pressure to improve their recruitment of women and minorities. Ms. Warren was clearly flagged in the Association of American Law Schools as a double win, being a female and a Native American.
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She was a definite two-fer

Threadkiller

There is no way I used all those commas correctly.

I do not own a copy of the Comma Sutra.

MarkO

"So what does this make George Zimmerman?"

He's just another black man wrongly accused by the white power establishment in the Jim Crow South. Save your Confederate money; the South will rise again.

My Great-Grandfather made a living keeping the red man down.

Danube of Thought

"The new exchanges would offer several choices of plans..."

The terms of each and every one of which would bedictated by HHS.

Frumious Bandersnatch

At www.mexican-strawberries.com, I give the requirements to join the Cherokee nation.

It is interesting, since in order to claim such status, it doesn't matter if she has tribal blood or not - if she is not a member of the tribe.

jimmyk

This was her son's marriage license in 1894, so most likely she was born around 1850, but possibly 1840, roughly 100 years before Elizabeth. That's still a pretty short time for a great-great-great grandmother, roughly 20 years per generation.

Gus

MarkO was your Great-Grandfather one of those BIBLE WAVING LEVITUCS QUOTING, Southern Gents that Dan Savage was blithering about?? Remember the BIBLE is a PRO-SLAVERY DOCUMENT.

MarkO

Gus, he may well have brandished a Bible from time to time as Welshmen have been known to do. He may have railed against brimstone and firewater.

He did teach my grandmother to ride a horse.

narciso

We pay tribute to our most resolute adversaries, that's why we named our best weapon systems after then, the DElaware tribe seems to congregate around Bartlesville, not
Oklahoma City

Strangelandly, I'm reminded of why we laugh.

TK, that's some video of Thomas, the Honorable.
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tom maguire

Ok, so Cher has not recorded 'cherokee nation' YET. What better time?

Jim Eagle

My great-great Grandfather was born in 1792. My great grandfather in 1838 and my grandfather in 1870. My dad in 1913.

My G-G Grandfather's father was born in 1770, his father in 1717 and his father in 1686. We have traced past that but only the death of his father in 1710.

All of this is via Parish records in England where births and baptisms are recorded. I am lucky that my cousin in England is a family history trained researcher as is my cousin in Australia. Could never do it on my own. Even when I tried to do it on Ancestry I got it all wrong. I have a cousin on my grandmother's side of the family who has tried to do her side of the family and my English cousin found all kinds of errors and was able to straighten it out.

By the way, outisde the famous sportsmen in the family, we have found one muderer (killed his bride in Australia while both were drunk as skunks) and that my great-great grandfather (a very famous Victorian sportsman) was born a bastard.

If you decide to research your family tree and ancestry be prepared for some shock along the way. Also some nice surprises.

Sue

if she is not a member of the tribe.

Exactly. And TK will be happy to note that you have to have certifiable proof before being granted citizenship into the Cherokee Nation. They require more paperwork to become a Cherokee than is required to become POTUS. ::grin::

Dave (in MA)

Fire up the ol' Auto-Tune...

Sue

If you decide to research your family tree and ancestry be prepared for some shock along the way. Also some nice surprises.

Ain't that the truth? I found one on my daddy's side that was a sheriff. If you knew my daddy's side of the family, that would make you laugh out loud too.

Dave (in MA)

I wonder if Fauxcahontas is still proud of what she (claims to) have been a fore-mama of:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/01/occupy-cleveland-leaders-involved-in-bridge-bomb-plot

Well ....

So she was a "two-fer" hire and some plain old woman or plain old American Indian guy did not get the job because she could simply assert -- not prove -- assert that she was an American Indian. All of this story is weird.

p.s. There are no native Americans. The Indians came here from another continent. Shall we call them "the First Invaders?"

Danube of Thought

"They require more paperwork to become a Cherokee than is required to become POTUS. "

But they don't make you get 70 million votes.

Rob Crawford

If you decide to research your family tree and ancestry be prepared for some shock along the way. Also some nice surprises.

Yeah. My brother found an executed murderer and that an ancestor was a neighbor to the Colonel Crawford who was burnt at the stake by the Delaware Indians.

jimmyk

If you decide to research your family tree and ancestry be prepared for some shock along the way. Also some nice surprises.

No criminals that I know of, but I did find that my mother's side of the family came from a notably different locale and culture than even my mother had realized.

And I'm more than 10 years younger than Warren and my great grandparents were born in the early 1860s, so the g-g-g-grand parents were no doubt pre-1820.

Tonto

Well, I'm not sure how many g's to put in but my multiple g grandfather was a federal ombudsman (sort of) to the Cherokees. According to Family Lore his niece was swiped by the Cherokees as a child, and when her brother grew up and found her she refused to rejoin her white kin -- which used to be a pretty standard B story in Westerns, I think.

AliceH

I think the dates can work, because there are just huge ranges of birth/death between each generation.

I'm a dozen years younger than warren. On my fathers side, ggggrandparents takes me to about 1770, while on my mother's side, it takes me to 1823.

The document being cited is dated 1894 and is the marriage cert for a child of her ggggrandmother. The 10 children of my ggggrandmother (b 1823) on my mother's side were married between 1860 and 1903.

Dave (in MA)
I wonder if Fauxcahontas is still proud of what she (claims to) have been a fore-mama of
Hah, coherent sentence much?
bgates

If the companies indeed take this step, the move would fly in the face of pledges by the law's backers, including President Obama, that U.S. workers would not lose their employer-provided health plans.

The facile explanation will be that it isn't his fault, the law didn't make the old health plans illegal, and as far as he's concerned whoever liked their plan could have kept it; it's just that the greedy companies put profits before people.

I hope the Supreme Court prevents him from having an opportunity to offer that excuse.

Jim Eagle

tonto,

Not just any B story but The Searchers is considered the greatest western ever filmed. It is in my top 10 of all movies. John Wayne, Ward Bond, Vera Miles, Natalie Wood and John Ford as director. How can you get better than that. Plus they were Comanches and not Cherokees:)

henry

bgates, to the extent that the old health plans are corporate self-insured (very popular), Obamacare does make them illegal in 2014.

matt

So what the Dems are saying is that they are now using the same racial composition formulae they did back during slavery.

Danube of Thought

Margey Egan in the Boston Herald makes my heart soar like the hawk:

"You’ve played the Indian card. You’ve grabbed for minority cred without enduring the minority grief. It’s poached diversity. It’s glommed onto, what, five generations removed, assuming there were some facts way, way back when, as your campaign aides claimed last night.

"How long before wise guys in feathered headdresses start dancing around parking lots at your events? Somebody told me yesterday your campaign needs to lie low and “circle the wagons.” Whoops. That same someone quickly realized it was the pioneers who circled the wagons when your Cherokee ancestors were blazing across the prairie on the warpath.

"Here’s the problem for you, Liz: We’re not talking some elaborate, arcane, confusing financial irregularity here that nobody can understand. Everybody gets this. It’s letting everyone think you’re something that you’re not. It’s letting stand the idea that you’re part of an aggrieved class of people. It’s a sin of omission, which is not as bad as a sin of commission — like, you know, the typical political ploy of pumping up resumes with fake claims of combat heroism and purple hearts. But it’s a huge problem nonetheless."

Tonto

JiB

Boy, do I stand corrected! However, I think the white-child-raised-as-Indian made its way into a bunch of Wagon Trains or similar TV Westerns of my youth.

hit and run

Have you ever seen Daddy fly a plane?

Clarice

Ugh, Hit.

DoT, I think that's right. Everyone gets this..I told Jane her tea party ought to dress in Indian gear at every Warren campaign stop.

Dave (in MA)

DoT, don't get used to it. She's one of the Heraldo's token libs. It might have been a flash of sanity caused by a transient ischemic event, or she might be annoyed that Sacajawarren could be pulling a Coakley.

jimmyk

Intrade report: Obama still up close to 60% probability of reelection (a great short opportunity IMO if you can find a legal way to bet). The probability of the SC tossing Obamacare is down to 60% (from 65% after the hearings). On the positive side, Walker is given a 70% chance of winning the recall election.

Porchlight

Everybody gets this. It’s letting everyone think you’re something that you’re not. It’s letting stand the idea that you’re part of an aggrieved class of people. It’s a sin of omission, which is not as bad as a sin of commission

Nonsense; it is a sin of commission. You can't "let" everyone think you're 1/32nd Cherokee, especially if you're as palefaced as Liz Warren. No one would come to such a conclusion on their own. You have to TELL people. Which is what Liz did, in the directories, and perhaps also in other ways. I sure would like to see her CVs from those years...

Rocco

Hope I don't screw this thread up too

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Danube of Thought

"They’re all natural born U.S. citizens. That also includes"...John C. Fremont.

Threadkiller

She looks like a Squawk, Rocco.

Threadkiller

What years did Fremont serve as President? If he just managed to get the nomination of a party, big deal. Roger Calero did that too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3ger_Calero

Janet

I told Jane her tea party ought to dress in Indian gear at every Warren campaign stop.

Such a great idea! Dressed as an Indian with the sign - "Can I be a Harvard Law Professor?"

MarkO

My great-grandfather, the indian agent, reported the occasional white woman deep in the tribe.

peter

JimmyK, am I correct that there are only a few hundred participants in intrade for each given proposition?

centralcal

So The Wonce is prepping a big speech from Afghanistan for prime time. Sheesh - why didn't he fly into Pakistan and stand in front of UBL's former home to give do his end zone dance routine?

Rocco

She's a liar

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narciso

Yes, she's like Pizer or Stasi, in the Post, or Shemp at 3 and 7 PM slot, idiot didn't even know the significance of today's verdict,
it was an early operation directed by AQ's future no 3, El Shukrijumah

Jane

I too am shocked that Egan said anything controversial. She is the pretend rino on the talk show circuit here.

Granny Warren is having a meet and greet in 2 weeks about a mile from here. It's free. I'm just so tempted but can't think of the perfect question to ask.

TexasMom

I'm late to this party, but since TRIBAL MEMBERSHIP is such a big deal in college admissions, lots of folks want to claim it. Thus, you must apply to the tribe to be granted membership in order to "claim" the diversity card for college admissions.

Some tribes have even sold memberships- most don't.

If Ms. Warren has native American heritage that is legit, she should have tribal membership- otherwise, it's bulls**t.

Jane

""I told Jane her tea party ought to dress in Indian gear at every Warren campaign stop.

Such a great idea! Dressed as an Indian with the sign - "Can I be a Harvard Law Professor?"""

I missed all this. I'm going to recommend it for the next stand-out. How fun!

BTW I'm very impressed. I know nothing about anyone in my family beyond grandparent. Now I want to find out.

Clarice

Get kiddy drums or make them from coffee cans and old inner tubes and drum 10 little Indians at every meet up.

centralcal

Even easier drums, Jane (from childhood memories) were empty Quaker Oats boxes (they do still come in round boxes, don't they? May be just aging myself - ha!).

Clarice

Yeah, Quaker Oat boxes--what fun!

daddy

Sacaja-surroGate?

Clarice

OT: Another black youths beating whites "for Trayvon" and this time even though the victims were friends with local reporters they did not publish it.
http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton

Maybe they were waiting for Mother Jones or the Miami Herald to run with it.

narciso

Somebody explain this to me;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/exclusive-richard-grenell-hounded-from-romney-campaign-by-anti-gay-conservatives/2012/

Janet

Heck, challenge her to a Cherokee game...like getting a dart through a rolling hoop. She should be naturally good at it...with that drop of blood & all.

centralcal

Jane, I found a link with Indian costumes for women that might be worth a look see:

What the well dressed squaws are wearing this season.

centralcal

Narciso - twitter is on fire right now about Grenell and Gabriel Malor is having a complete meltdown.

Dave (in MA)

If I was at a Sacajawarren event my sign would say
IT
IS
BALLOON!

Dave (in MA)

Another fake Injun.

Ignatz

--It is in my top 10 of all movies. John Wayne, Ward Bond, Vera Miles, Natalie Wood and John Ford as director.--

Let's not forget Jeffrey Hunter who held his own alongside the Duke's best performance IMO, Jack.

And an unforgettable hilarious small supporting role for Ken Curtis [later Festus on Gunsmoke] with the immortal line "I'll thank you to unhand my fee-an-say" to Jeffrey Hunter which prompted an excellent fist fight.

jimmyk

JimmyK, am I correct that there are only a few hundred participants in intrade for each given proposition?

I'm not sure. The bid-ask spreads on the Obama trade are pretty tight (something like 0.2%) so that suggests adequate participation. My guess is for the more popular markets the participation is much higher than a few hundred, but that's just a guess. The "volume" for the Obama reelection market is around 1500 daily. I guess that's shares traded. Hard to know exactly what that means, though.

macphisto

IT'S THE BLIMP!

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