Zimmerman Medical Evidence

Two new stories on medical evidence in the Zimmerman case:

ABC:

ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

Unsurprising, considering neighbors had reported a bandaged-up Zimmerman weeks ago.

WFTV9:

Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

SANFORD, Fla. —

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

Richard Kurtz, a black (IIRC) mortician who serves the black community, had the good sense to see nothing unusual about Martin when he prepared him for the funeral. Anyone who took that seriously is surprised by the current report. Since you ask, I expressed reservations about the mortician at the end of this old post.

MORE: The all-news WCBS 880 in New York provides this narrative-shifting coverage:

George Zimmerman's head wounds after Trayvon Martin shooting likely bolster self-defense claims

(CBS News) Medical records showing that George Zimmerman was treated for a fractured nose and cuts to the back of his head after fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin will likely bolster Zimmerman's argument that Martin attacked him, CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday.

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"This now allows the defense to show up in the courtroom, let George Zimmerman tell his story and bring in a medical expert that says, 'Black and blue under the eyes, broken nose, cut on the back of the head,'" said Ford, "and the defense can argue that's consistent with George Zimmerman being attacked by Trayvon Martin, and then the Stand Your Ground defense comes into play."

Well, Stand Your Ground doesn't apply when you are lying on the ground, but we get his drift.

They have some pushback a bit later in the story:

Ford, a former prosecutor, said that the medical report's revelations, while not good for the prosecution, don't exactly torpedo their case.

"Here's what you're going to get: I'm sure the prosecution is going to say, 'Hey, you know what this shows? This shows that Trayvon Martin was fighting for his life because he was attacked by George Zimmerman here,'" said Ford, "and the defense is going to say, 'That's not so at all, and we've got the medical testimony to show it.'"

Hmm. Just how are they going to contradict Zimmerman's story? From the Zimmerman bond hearing when O'Mara, the defense counsel, was grilling Gilbreath, the lead investigator for the state:

O'MARA: [Do you have] Any evidence that conflicts any eyewitnesses, anything that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?

GILBREATH: That contention that was given to us by him, other than filling in the figures being one following or chasing the other one, as to who threw the first blow, no.

The state can certainly speculate but at some point their story needs to explain these injuries to Zimmerman and Martin. How they establish beyond a reasonable doubt their theory of Zimmerman as a depraved aggressor without actual evidence remains a bit of a puzzle. Jeralyn Merritt offers a well-informed guess as to the state's theory but doesn't think it will fly.

Comments

[daddy]

"daddy, I think you meant the Martin Family lawyer. I saw him. Pathetic. The more he speaks, the clearer it is that the case should never have been filed."

Wasn't that amazing MarkO?

Geez. Nothing could be more positive for GZ's defense than just shutting up and letting that moron lawyer ramble. Didn't realize he was TM's families Lawyer, but that certainly makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Ignatz]

--I wonder if the bankruptcy due to medical expenses meme holds up under scrutiny.--

Not even close.
Haven't got time to look for links Jim but this one has been thoroughly debunked.
Typical leftist lies.

[daddy]

"The euthanasiast, obviously."

LOL

[Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA]

AliceH, my link from a comment or two earlier than yours says Warren did two studies on the topic.
The first was full of holes, the second....was full of different holes.

[AliceH]

The first was full of holes, the second....was full of different holes.

The obvious conclusion being studies by partisan Democrats are holier than thou.

[cboldt]

"Did your office leak that [Zimmerman medical evaluation] to make Mr. Zimmerman look better?" reporter Bob Kealing asked Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer.

"Absolutely not," said O'Mara.

Crump has denied seeing the report, but nobody asked him or his sidekick, Jackson,

I think Crump's office is the source of the leak. He is too quick with "answers" in the press. I think he knows the report damages Team martin, and wanted to make it public soonest, to facilitate sowing doubt about Zimmerman's account.

Crump may also be telegraphing the state's argument, by saying that Zimmerman getting out of his truck amount so "starting a fight."

[hotnutz]

It's alllllllll Trayvons fault ! Zimmermans is pure as driven snow, and by golly Crump knows it!

ION;

GWB don't stray far from home, these days.
No European vacations, Barb?

“I’m for Mitt Romney,” Bush told ABC News this morning as the doors of an elevator closed on him, after he gave a speech on human rights a block from his old home — the White House.

A speech on human rights.

Jesus wept.

[Redbrow]

I watched CNN and HLN this morning and when they reported the newly released medical evidence, their analyst proclaims this does not necessarily help the defense and then they cue Crump whining how "this just proves Trayvon was in a fight for his life!"

[Rob Crawford]

A speech on human rights.

Bush did more for human rights than Obama ever will.

[Clarice]

Who knew that when Jesus wanted a spokesperson he'd pick someone named "hotnutz"?

Redbrow, you see..that's why I don't watch TV, I'm certain it damages the brain more than fructose does.

[Rob Crawford]

Who knew that when Jesus wanted a spokesperson he'd pick someone named "hotnutz"?

Well, it was him or the "deeznutz" and "dozenutz" twins.

[Ignatz]

--they cue Crump whining how "this just proves Trayvon was in a fight for his life!"--

I would have thought his corpse proved that some time ago.

What it does prove is one shouldn't bring knuckles to a gunfight, and in this day of ubiquitous concealed carry, the fellas who used to count on beating people to death with impunity might be a bit more circumspect.

[Janet]

Who knew that when Jesus wanted a spokesperson he'd pick someone named "hotnutz"?

Oh my goodness...Hahahahaaahah...too funny!!

[Clarice]

Thanks, Janet. I hoped you'd like it.

[pagar]

"Bush did more for human rights than Obama ever will."

Than Obama and everyone who has ever been associated with Obama ever will.

[Redbrow]

So now Crump and Jackson are profiling Zimmerman, and everyone else with a psychological disability, as being raving lunatics just because they take prescription meds?

Psych disability discrimination is covered by hate crime and hate speech legislation.

What a couple of hypocritical bigots!

According to the medical report, Zimmerman was on two prescription drugs the night of the shooting.
Martin's camp said it wonders if the medication could have resulted in mood swings or paranoia.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/31072911/detail.html#ixzz1v4TGEEAO

[Redbrow]

Imagine something like this:

According to reports, Trayvon was black. Zimmerman's camp wonders if the color of his skin and stereotypical black behavior could have resulted in mood swings and paranoia.

[Clarice]

Well the white racist meme is dead.

The no injuries on GZ fairytale is over.

Time for yet another cock and bull story for the brains sucked out of their heads zombies.

[dublindave]

--Let's see if Ignatz can come back with a decent rebuttal.--

Inchworm said;

"It doesn't have the capacity to marshall itself or the ideas of some of it's more extreme members."

DD then provided this definition;

"to bring together or organize people or things in order to achieve a particular aim"

"How could the Republican party bring together or organize the ideas of some of its extreme members in order to achieve its aims?"

Most politcal parties are made up of different factions with wildly different ideas and if you can't bring them together to vote along party lines then you become an ineffective political aparatus...much like the House Republicans.

"Police" is the wrong word because members of Congress are too powerful to be treated like children.

"Marshal" or "Organize" is the right word.

Party organisation is one of the most important functions of the RNC.Pre-selection committees not only find viable candidates for national,state or local office,they have to ensure those candidates can both win AND vote along party lines.

That's an almost impossible task.Democrats elected Max Bauchaus who won in a Conservative state but has been a dead weight in Congress.Republicans gave into the Tea party by electing a Witch who subsequently lost an assured Republican senate seat.

To say you can't organise people and there ideas into a cohesive unit that votes along party lines is an idiotic statement.

Here's a excerpt from THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE monitor that uses the word "Marshal" in a political context.I can get you more examples, but this was the first one I found.

"House Speaker John Boehner on Thursday expended a tremendous amount of time and energy on a debt-ceiling bill that is doomed to fail, because his credibility as leader of the House depends upon it. If Mr. Boehner can't MARSHAL his Republicans to back him on this crucial vote, he risks losing his leverage in the debt-ceiling endgame."

Ignatz,you're a fucking moron.

[dublindave]

DD is mentally ill... and illiterate...

Wouldn't that mean I couldn't read or write?
I can read and I can write-maybe not very well-but I can read and wrote.

Perhaps you mean "functionally illiterate"?

Is that what you mean?Have you ever looked up the definition of the word "illiterate" before?

Would you like me to get it for you or is the irony just too painful.

[NK]

No thanks-- unqualified illiterate is most appropriate...

[Ignatz]

--To say you can't organise people and there ideas into a cohesive unit that votes along party lines is an idiotic statement.--

First, you should always make sure you're not writing like an idiot when accusing someone else of being one.
Second, that's not what you said. You said either it and/or the ideas of the extreme members should be marshaled.
Unless you think the ideas of those extreme members would be useful against the Dems, something you clearly don't believe, you manifestly meant those ideas should be squelched or suppressed not organized and incorporated into a united front.
You know it and I know it, but only one of us will admit it, and it's not the one losing his cool with defensive ad homs.

[dublindave]

I think most people here understood that my 2:20 referred to DuDa's 1:48 post,

No,they didn't.

In fact you came off as a real idiot but because they're your friends they didn't want to tell you that.

READ THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ALOUD;2-5-1-7-4-2-5-6

NOW TRY THESE LETTERS;A-G-T-E-H-Q-N

[Ignatz]

--In fact you came off as a real idiot but because they're your friends they didn't want to tell you that.--

Mean and petty weedavey isn't nearly as fun as stupid and ignorant, but occasionally humorous weedavey.
Begorrah! Why so petulant Davey boy?

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Ok, DuDa, ya got me there:<(

[Mark Folkestad]

MarkO and Daddy, the loony lawyer in the Kelly's Court session today was Brian Claypool, a criminal defense attorney from Los Angeles. Claypool has nothing to do with representing the Martin family. He's just crazy or willfully blind in ignoring the solid evidence backing up Zimmerman.

[Mark Folkestad]

For some reason a song keeps running through my mind. "Camptown races" tune: ...sing this song, DuDa, DuDa.... It's aggravating, but it keeps coming back.

[Sara]

My Uncle's patrol was captured and tortured by the Japanese and he carried the scars of that torture to the grave.

At the age of 86, he was mugged by a gang of black yutes, beaten severely and thrown into the street, where he came within milometers of being run over by a bus.

He was one of the kindest, gentlest, most gentlemanly men I've ever known, but we all knew better than to bring up the Japanese and later in life, African-Americans, in his presence. He could let loose a string of invective that was vicious and definitely not politically correct.

The very last thing he would have cared about would be the political sensitivities of either group. He passed away in 2006 at the age of 93. And based on the scars I saw on his body and the pictures I've seen of a 6'4" man weighing 118 lbs when rescued, I doubt he would have had much sympathy for any interned Japanese person. Some things are not easily forgiven or forgotten.

[matt]

bite your tongue GMax! We long suffering Clippers fans are coming for the Spurs and anyone else, a year from now. This year its been training wheels but next, they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

[dublindave]

--To say you can't organise people and there ideas into a cohesive unit that votes along party lines is an idiotic statement.--

"You said either it and/or the ideas of the extreme members should be marshaled.Unless you think the ideas of those extreme members would be useful against the Dems, something you clearly don't believe, you manifestly meant those ideas should be squelched or suppressed not organized and incorporated into a united front."

Telling someone what they "manifestly meant" usually means you're making up what they meant because it bolsters your arguement.

Although, nice touch attempting to corner me with a false choice between party leadership advocating far right ideas or crushing them.

The former is illogical and doesn't fit the context of what we were discussing and the latter infers I didn't understand the meaning of the word "marshal",something that supports your position.

Nice.I like it.

I believe i'll stick with the third and obvious choice,'the organisation of ideas and people into a cohesive unit that votes along party lines.'

Party leadership will never crush or police the ideoligy of it's Representatives because no matter how insane those ideas are,they're usually a reflection of the majority that holds sway of that state.And unlike other countries like Great Britian or even ireland where party whips can literally have you thrown out of the party,the American sytem is flooded with so much money reps are far too powerful to be pushed around.

To 'organise' or to 'Marshal' in a political sense is a far more nuanced strategy that involves closed door meetings where egos are stroked,promises are made,painful reality is confronted and the overall well being of the party is considered.I could go on ad nausem about the tricks and methods used to bring members around to the party way of thinking.

Nancy pelosi was a Master,John Boehner is an child whose reps run him.That's a weakness and a lack of marshaling skills.

Ignatious,you are an idiot.

[Ignatz]

Poor Davey. The weaker your argument the longer your posts and the sourer your disposition.
You should go back to the jester role. You don't wear cranky pedantry well at all.

[dublindave]

"My Uncle's patrol was captured and tortured by the Japanese and he carried the scars of that torture to the grave.

At the age of 86, he was mugged by a gang of black yutes, beaten severely and thrown into the street, where he came within milometers of being run over by a bus.

He was one of the kindest, gentlest, most gentlemanly men I've ever known, but we all knew better than to bring up the Japanese and later in life, African-Americans, in his presence. He could let loose a string of invective that was vicious and definitely not politically correct.

The very last thing he would have cared about would be the political sensitivities of either group. He passed away in 2006 at the age of 93. And based on the scars I saw on his body and the pictures I've seen of a 6'4" man weighing 118 lbs when rescued, I doubt he would have had much sympathy for any interned Japanese person. Some things are not easily forgiven or forgotten."

So he was essentially a racist?

I'm sorry,your constant appeals to emotion and authority have no sway over my liberal mind.

While I recgonise the difficulty your uncle went through,that doesn't grant him the right to paint all people belonging to a particular race with the same brush.

And allow me to pre-emptively counter your moral outrage about how your uncle was a war hero blah blah blah and as such is beyond reproach blah blah blah......no he's not.

Just becuase some black people mugged him doesn't mean ALL black people are violent criminals.

Just because some Japaneese soldiers tortured him doesn't mean all Japanese people are torturers.

And just because your Unc was a war hero doesn't mean he wasn't a prejudiced, bigoted,small minded racist.

[dublindave]

For some reason a song keeps running through my mind. "Camptown races" tune: ...sing this song, DuDa, DuDa.... It's aggravating, but it keeps coming back

Personally,i'd like to be called "slick".

I like that.

[dublindave]

"Mean and petty weedavey isn't nearly as fun as stupid and ignorant, but occasionally humorous weedavey.
Begorrah! Why so petulant Davey boy?"

Wait till you meet ditzy yet strangely ominous Davey!!!!!

[dublindave]

"Poor Davey. The weaker your argument the longer your posts and the sourer your disposition.
You should go back to the jester role. You don't wear cranky pedantry well at all."

Actually I can't think of a weaker arguement than criticizing the length of someone's post or the nature of their disposition.

O.k you win.

My posts are long and i'm feeling especially prickly.

[Mark Folkestad]

Slick is fitting, like the OSHA warnings to pig farmers that pig shit on concrete is slick.

[dublindave]

"slick is fitting, like the OSHA warnings to pig farmers that pig shit on concrete is slick."

Sure,i'll take it(like that's what springs to mind when you first meet someone called 'slick').

Now,Mark,you do realize that i've been sent to Conventry?Fratanizing with the alternative albeit not very intelligent viewpoint is frowned upon here.

[Ignatz]

There's the old Davey boy we know and love; brainless but a good sport.

[Mark Folkestad]

Yeah, as in Slick Willie/Bent Willie, most famous for conning young interns into giving blowjobs in the Oval Office. Great choice.

I've literally been to Coventry. It's a beautiful city, and the twin cathedrals, one destroyed by German bombs and its glorious replacement, reminding a visitor of the evil and glory mankind is capable of. But I have no idea what "Conventry" is.

[dublindave]

SENT TO COVENTRY Meaning

To be ignored or ostracised. This behaviour often takes the form of pretending that the shunned person, although conspicuously present, can't be seen or heard.

Origin
The origins of this phrase aren't known, although it is quite probable that events in Coventry in the English Civil War in the 1640s play a part. For those not familiar with the UK, Coventry is an industrial city in Warwickshire, England. It is well-known for its two cathedrals; the modern cathedral being built in 1962 to replace the old cathedral, which was destroyed during an intense German bombing raid in 1940.

In the 17th century, when this phrase is supposed to have originated, Coventry was a small town. It has been suggested that the phrase, although we now use it in an allusory sense, originated from people being actually sent there.

The story - and it is no more than that - is that Cromwell sent a group of Royalist soldiers to be imprisoned in Coventry, around 1648. The locals, who were parliamentary supporters, shunned them and refused to consort with them.

The first known citation of the allusory meaning is from the Club Book of the Tarporley Hunt, 1765:

"Mr. John Barry having sent the Fox Hounds to a different place to what was ordered ... was sent to Coventry, but return'd upon giving six bottles of Claret to the Hunt."

By 1811, the then understood meaning of the term was defined in Grose's The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue:

To send one to Coventry; a punishment inflicted by officers of the army on such of their brethren as are testy, or have been guilty of improper behaviour, not worthy the cognizance of a court martial. The person sent to Coventry is considered as absent; no one must speak to or answer any question he asks, except relative to duty, under penalty of being also sent to the same place. On a proper submission, the penitent is recalled, and welcomed by the mess, as just returned from a journey to Coventry.

A well-known example of someone being sent to Coventry is Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll), after his falling out with the Liddell family. Dodgson had developed a close relationship with the Liddell's daughter Alice. In 1863, when Alice was 11, something happened to cause the family to ostracize him. Whatever it was we can't now be sure as, although Dodgson recorded it in his diary at the time, the entry was later cut out by a Dodgson family member. This has led to widespread but unproven speculation that the relationship between Dodgson and Alice was inappropriate in some way - possibly what would now be called paedophilic.

This phrase was common in industrial disputes in Britain in the mid-twentieth century. Anyone who was considered to be unsupportive of the workforce was in danger of finding that his/her workmates refused to acknowledge their existence. Co-incidentally this was centred on the highly unionized car industry and especially British Leyland, which was largely based in Coventry. That gave rise to people who had in fact lived and worked in Coventry all their life being sent there figuratively by their workmates.

There's no substance in the suggestion sometimes put about that this relates to the disgrace of that well-known (if imaginary) Coventry resident - Peeping Tom."

[Soylent Red]

"Conventry"

It's what we wish dublindave's mother was sentenced to at the age of 14.

[Mark Folkestad]

Amen, Soylent!

[dublindave]

"Conventry"

"It's what we wish dublindave's mother was sentenced to at the age of 14."

That's funny.

On a more serious note my mom died of cervical cancer back in 97.

I spent 6 long months nursing her and I was there when she died.

I miss my mom.

I miss her alot.

[Mark Folkestad]

The troll didn't have a clue that I was pointing out his spelling error. Glad you caught it, Soylent. It's amazing he thinks that he is useful in doing extensive copy-and-paste jobs. Incidentally, I descend from Lady Godiva.

[Soylent Red]

I'm curious if troll has a son who was a Marine killed in Iraq.

[dublindave]

"I'm curious if troll has a son who was a Marine killed in Iraq."

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[dublindave]

"The troll didn't have a clue that I was pointing out his spelling error. Glad you caught it, Soylent. It's amazing he thinks that he is useful in doing extensive copy-and-paste jobs. Incidentally, I descend from Lady Godiva."

Ha ha whenever people drone on about their holidays I literally smile and look for the exit.In an effort to be nice I cut and pasted an interesting serious of anecdotes because...... lol....I don't want to be mean but jesus....... you were droning on about bombed out buildings and the like.

But taking me to task for a typo.Gee,you're so interesting Mark.Tell us more about those bombed out buildings zzzzzzzzzzzz oh and pigshizzzzzzzzzzz

[Mike O'Malley]

Well Dublin Dave at May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM you say: "Well,I was under the impression that Danube of thought had issued a binding gag order on this group.......perhaps you didn't get the memo or arrived to the party late."

The memo I got is commonly known as the First Amendment. It was followed immediately by the Second Amendment. Both come into play in this matter.

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Dublin Dave at May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM you say: "Firstly,all violence regardless of what shape or form it take is abhorent.However,I acknowledge that in an effort to escalate the already inflamed passions of the African-American community and cash in politically on such anger,my Democratic brothers and sisters might inadvertantly provoke a violent reaction. ... "Reverends Sharpton and Farrakhan = the voice of social justice and sweet reason?"
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Something like that"

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Yet Rev. Sharpton has made something of a career at doing just that as I pointed out. Rev. Sharpton's escalation of inflamed passions of the African-American community historically is responsible for the death of no less than 9 innocents, granted the dead were mostly Jews, Hispanics and Whites. One of Sharpton's innocent victims I recall however was a West African immigrant serving his new county as a security guard at Freddie Fashion Mart. And then there is Rev. Farrakhan's complicity is the assassination of Malcolm X: black on black violence.

But you are to be commended Dublin Dave for pursuing this matter after it became known that George Zimmerman is actually 'Black". Few people in the African-American community care about Black on Black crime except for the surviving families of the victims. If G. Zimmerman had been a member of a black crime gang and he had shot Trayvon Martin in a drive-by shooting as Martin exited the 7-11 with skittles in hand pretty much no one but the aggrieved family would care. Zimmerman and gang could have drove by a second time and blown away Sabrine Fulton's second son outside Trayvon's funeral and killed some random black toddler in the hail of gunfire and few would care except for the surviving families of the dead.

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