If Obama Has Lost His Cheerleaders...

The press corps pans Obama's big economic speech.  Here is Dana Milbank:

Skip the falsehoods, Mr. President, and give us a plan

I had high hopes for President Obama’s speech on the economy. But instead of going to Ohio on Thursday with a compelling plan for the future, the president gave Americans a falsehood wrapped in a fallacy.

The falsehood is that he has been serious about cutting government spending. The fallacy is that this election will be some sort of referendum that will break the logjam in Washington.

That is not so good. Meanwhile, over at MSNBC...

“I thought this, honestly, was one of the least successful speeches I’ve seen Barack Obama give in several years,” said Newsweek editor Jonathan Alter. “It was long winded. He had a good argument to make, and at the beginning of the speech he seemed to be making it in a fairly compelling way but then he lost the thread.”

Alter said he thought the speech was “way too long” and Obama had “lost the audience by the end.”

Daily Beast columnist and economist Zachary Karabell agreed with Alter, saying that the President opened the speech well, but quickly lost the plot.

When all seems dark, there is always one candle burning in the night for Obama:

President Obama sometimes forgets that an important speech does not have to be endless. On Thursday, appearing before supporters at a Cleveland community college, he spent 53 minutes on the stark contrast between his goals and the failed Bush-era policies that Mitt Romney is trying to resurrect. It’s hard to imagine that the speech, overgrown as it was with policy details, won the hearts of many independent voters yearning for a clear understanding of how much is at stake in November.

Wait, was that really the NY Times?  Geez, are they re-thinking their re-thinking of their Hillary endorsement in 2008? Maybe! But they find a silver lining, or something:

The Republican recalcitrance on taxes has led to a Washington stalemate that the president referred to eight times in his speech, saying it can be broken only by the voters. But Mr. Obama’s re-election cannot, by itself, end the impasse. It is once his opponents’ free-market ideas are fully seen to be bankrupt that Congress will either change or begin acting in the country’s interest. Breaking the grip of these ideas truly is, as Mr. Obama said Thursday, “a make-or-break moment for America’s middle class.”

And it is there that Mr. Obama still has not made his case. Mr. Romney’s entire campaign rests on a foundation of short, utterly false sound bites. The stimulus failed. (Three million employed people beg to differ.) The auto bailout was a mistake. (Another million jobs.) Spending is out of control. (Spending growth is actually lower than under all modern Republican presidents [Hmm, and hmm again].) He says these kinds of things so often that millions of Americans believe them to be the truth.

It is hard to challenge these lies with a well-reasoned-but-overlong speech — just as, in an odd juxtaposition, Mr. Obama failed to make his case for his Afghanistan policy in a speech in May that was both too short and too shallow. The president has less than five months to find a way to make a vital message sink in.

That vital message amounts to insisting that the European economic model can work here.  Good luck!

Comments

[Annoying Old Guy]

That vital message amounts to insisting that the European economic model can work here

As usual with the Modern American Left, actually stating their policy out loud is an electoral loser and they know it, so they promote it like telling kids "going to the hospital is fun, you get ice cream and can lay in bed all day!" and hope no one asks "so why aren't we all in the hospital?".

[Ignatz]

--Spending is out of control. (Spending growth is actually lower than under all modern Republican presidents [Hmm, and hmm again].)--

Glad the Times put these sentence in a story about half truths and fallacies.

If a pres jacks spending up to the highest level in 75 years and the highest peacetime level ever, by far, and then it levels off at this stratospheric plateau and his opponent points out quite correctly this equals out of control spending, let's slip in something about how this mile high plateau isn't really growing any more so Romney is a liar.

[NK]

Dana Milbank says: "a falsehood wrapped in a fallacy."
With those 6 words, Milbank has perfectly defined Obama the man and the Potus.

[Chubby]

whether Obama's cheerleaders are cussing him or cheering him they are still idiots because they still unquestioningly accept all the same same basic flawed asinine economic assumptions that he does.

[Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA]

What color is the sky on the planet where these people live, one wonders.
Wow.

[Rick Ballard]

"The president has less than five months to find a way to make a vital message sink in."

What could he possibly say to make the electorate stop believing in their damned lying eyes? It's not as if their is no evidence of his inability to move the electorate.

A more interesting question is whether Governor Romney should deny access to NYT propagandists across the board. I believe it should be a condition of employment for anyone offered a cabinet position - one word to the NYT and you can start looking for a different job.

[Chubby]

basically the left is telling the economically hurting that they should not believe their own lyin' eyes when they look at europe.

wow, what a winning message

[Chubby]

rick, I guess "lyin's eyes" is in the wind ... I had not read your post before I posted mine.

[MarkO]

A pig wrapped up in a blanket? The way of a corn on its cob?

[MarkO]

Late at night a big old house gets lonely
I guess ev'ry form of refuge has its price.

[Thomas Collins]

I don't think Axelmessplouffe wants to communicate a real plan. I am convinced Axelmessplouffe thinks a 48-51 split could work with enough urban voter fraud, high turnout in battleground states from unions and those dependent on the entitlement state or enamored of it (thus the "Julia" ad), plus significant persuadables in battleground states who won't throw out such a nice black first family from the Oval Office. Will it work? I'm slightly more optimistic than I was a couple of months ago that it won't work, not because of the polls, but because Team Romney looks as if it is more attuned to trench warfare than I thought it would be.

[Chubby]

((I don't think Axelmessplouffe wants to communicate a real plan.))

it's the same type of game that they play when Obama presents a totally outrageous and unserious budget that no one in their right mind would vote for.

[Ignatz]

--that no one in their right mind would vote for.....--

....or even a Democrat.

[Chubby]

exactly Ignatz :)

[Jane]

Obama has just made illegal immigration legal, and granted them all work permits - which I guess will allow all the illegals to get welfare since there are no jobs. It only applies to young people so they can be on on the welfare rolls for a really long time.

What is the point of Congress?

[matt]

Today's WaPo headline....How Barry became black...LUN

These people make me puke....

[Chubby]

((It only applies to young people so they can be on on the welfare rolls for a really long time...))

...and vote Democrat

from what I've seen, illegal immigration is an issue that galvanizes the objections of both sides, so maybe this will be another Obama backfire

[matt]

If one understands the complete batshit crazy paranoia and conspiracy theory culture that animates South Asia, this comment from a friend is an all time classic.

"it is beyond Afghan crazy; it’s Pakistan crazy and the only level of crazy above that involves extraterrestrials.”

except we are now faced with Washington crazy. Immigration, Fast & Furious, health care....the law is meaningless to the current administration and black is white....

[Porchlight]

Chubby,

I was wondering about this. At first I thought "obvious play for Hispanic votes" but which supporters of amnesty are not already voting for Obama?

Now I wonder if he knows he's going to lose and just wants to do anything he can between now and January to promote the left's agenda before he splits the scene.

[Army of Davids]

Heaviest Element Yet Known to Science: (Gv)

Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has discovered the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv) , has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons , which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into
contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to
complete. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2- 6 years. It does not decay,but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons,forming isodopes.

[dublindave]

This new immigration policy should counter the recent voter purging and new ID laws.

We just levelled the playing field.

[Ignatz]

--If one understands the complete batshit crazy paranoia and conspiracy theory culture that animates South Asia, this comment from a friend is an all time classic.

"it is beyond Afghan crazy; it’s Pakistan crazy and the only level of crazy above that involves extraterrestrials.”--

matt,
Your comment would be more convincing if Afghanistan were in Asia. :)

[Ignatz]

LOL, Army of Davids, and as if on cue, one of the morons speaks up one minute later.

[dublindave]

If we didn't have a problem with non-citizens voting before we sure as shit are going to have one now.

Did I say level????

[Ignatz]

--This new immigration policy should counter the recent voter purging and new ID laws.

We just levelled the playing field.--

Excellent point Inchworm; when deprived of dead voters and ex cons the left needs illegal aliens to level the playing field.

[Porchlight]

Still not seeing the news "exploding all over Twitter" etc about Obamacare being upheld (per troll in last thread). Searching Twitter on Obamacare gets nothing but Pelosi prediction (which is headlined at TPM) and maybe 1-2 other lefties saying same thing. Not seeing anything in the usual places that follow Obamacare closely like SCOTUSblog.

Just in case you thought you might be missing something. It appears to all be just retweets of the Pelosi "news."

[MarkO]

The Supreme Court always hints at its decisions on Twitter.

[dublindave]

I'm not saying anything here so don't go calling me names but, if you are illegal in this country and you want to stay here AND have a BCIS permit authorizing you to legally work, then it is incumbent upon you,your friends and your family to ensure, by any means neccesary, that Barrack Obama remains President.

[Rick Ballard]

Porchlight,

The executive amnesty move is designed to elicit a negative response from governor Romney. It's not a particularly skillful move and will not offset the cost of the Obama War on Mexicans among the Hispanic voters. Obama is caught in a vicious cycle and he's just not bright enough to find a way out.

[MarkO]

We cannot be rid of this accident of history soon enough. Let him go to write more fables about himself. Please. Go.

[lyle]

Great stuff, AoD.

[Chubby]

((Now I wonder if he knows he's going to lose and just wants to do anything he can between now and January to promote the left's agenda before he splits the scene))

Porchight, something that occurred to a few minutes ago is that everyone and her uncle thought Hillary was a shoo-in re the Demcratic primary. And then that turned upside down. I hope Republicans are not repeating that pattern.

which is to day, I don't think Obama thinks he is going to lose. And I think the timing of this illegal immigration thingie is a poke in Romney's eye because there has been no candidate in a long time who is as hardline against illegal immigration as is Romney. Now the Obama campaign is probably going to make out Romney as a bigot for his views on illegla immigration, as they made the Clinton's out to be racists.

I don't think it will work though. I think where Obama is miscalculating is that Romney will be a pushover like Hillary was, and the the general electorate will be as easily rollr over as the Democratic Party was.

I believe Romney's take on illegal immigration will win independents who are independent mostly because they believe both parties are the same. However this time round, Romney is offering a very clear difference.

[Ignatz]

--Still not seeing the news "exploding all over Twitter" etc about Obamacare being upheld (per troll in last thread).--

WeeDavey is an inveterate liar? To quote CH, the deuce you say.

[Jane]

I see Dudu is no longer lying about being in Ireland. Imagine being so insecure that you have to lie about what country you are from. Perhaps he just has really really bad teeth.

[dublindave]

Good day for Dems.OBAMACARE upheld and we've widened our voter base.

Martini,anyone?

[Sue]

What is he holding for his October surprise?

[Sue]

Shouldn't Congress do something about Obama overstepping his powers? Isn't that why we have a Congress that is co-equal to the presidency?

[jimmyk]

The Supreme Court always hints at its decisions on Twitter.

In any case, if the left thinks conservatives heads will explode of Obamacare is upheld, they should think again. Such a ruling will be the final nail in the coffin of Obama's presidency, ensuring Romney's election, a Republican Congress, and repeal of Obamacare signed on or about January 21, 2013. President Romney will likely have the opportunity to replace one or two liberal SC justices with appointees who adhere to the Constitution. So it's win-win.

[Sue]

I don't think Obama will go away if he loses. I know the left said that about Bush and I laughed at them, but seriously, who is going to stop him? Congress?

[Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/fundraiser-sarah-jessica-parker-anna-wintour/story?id=16567579
Fixing the economy will be put off for a few hours this evening: President Obama will be busy shaking down some celebriguests attending a fundraising dinner hosted by Sarah Jessica Parker and Anna Wintour at Parker's New York City home.
Tickets cost $40,000, about as much as the average person makes in a year. For donating all that money, what kind of party favors do these guests get? We can't afford to attend ourselves to find out firsthand, and even if we could, journalistic principles would bar us from going in the first place.
So we're left to imagine what Obama's uber supporters are paying for: (To be clear -- this is from our imagination.)
For $10,000: Matthew Broderick will sit next to you. For $5,000, you'll share a table with Will Smith. For $50, Joe Biden will watch you eat and tell you it's a "big f***king meal."
The standard dinner will be overseen by Michelle Obama and will consist of locally grown herbs, low-fat beet-garnished eggplant and a corn-and-soybean protein shake. For $4.50, you could get a tasty dinner from Burger King.
For $15,000: You might get a flattering profile in Vogue — though it'll cost another $15,000 for that profile to remain online once the editors kill the link.
For $2,000: Obama will give you a personal shout-out at the beginning of his speech. For $4,000, he'll serenade you with three seconds of Al Green. For bundling a half-million dollars for his re-election campaign, he'll make you the ambassador to England.

More one liners at the link. Article includes helpful links backing up the points made, a surprisingly negative piece.

[Sue]

I wonder if we could co-opt the Clintons to help us rid ourselves of these clowns? Surely they have hopes and dreams of Chelsea being president someday.

[Chubby]

((The executive amnesty move is designed to elicit a negative response from governor Romney))

I couldn't agree more

[I Am Not Amused]

"Mr. Romney’s entire campaign rests on a foundation of short, utterly false sound bites"

You know that you don't have much of an argument when you're reduced to saying that your opponent is a liar. And it doesn't help when you "assist" that argument by adding some whoppers of your own, as Obozo did yesterday.

The New York Times, at least nominally, aspires to be better than this.

[centralcal]

Jane asks on Twitter (and I have been wondering too) where is that bus that was supposed to be used by the Republican candidate - recall Obama bought 2 buses, one for him and one for our side.

[Ignatz]

--What is he holding for his October surprise?--

A magic 8 ball?
His pocket monkey god?
Michelle's bubble butt?
I'm guessing a bong.

[NK]

JimmyK -- I do disagree with that. I've always believed that Lib/Conservative commentators who say Once is better off if Obamacare is repealed were wrong. The Indies don't like Obamacare-- but that's not a strong dislike ( they STRONGLY dislike Bam because of jobs, spending, cronyism and the debt) because they are not politically ideological. if it's upheld, it will lessen the Indie's dislike and it allows 'Bam to play the game of saying "I'll be flexible" if those evil Repubs will be. if Obamacare is repealed by the SCOTUS, the Indies will be pleased to learn they were right all along to oppose Obamacare. That's my take.

[bgates]

recall Obama bought 2 buses, one for him and one for our side

Romney's people must not have finished checking it for hidden cameras.

[AliceH]

I thought Romney turned it down, opting for his own bus. Which, really, was the only choice - why would a candidate touting smaller government allow himself to be seen driving around in a tax-payer funded bus "authorized" by his opponent?

[Porchlight]

Rick and Chubby,

If Romney is pressed for a response I think he should highlight the fact that Obama is doing an end run around the members of Congress who represent the people.

The overwhelming negative response to Bush's amnesty in 2007 - from both Republicans and Democrats - should also be informative on this issue.

I think where Obama is miscalculating is that Romney will be a pushover like Hillary was,

Obama, coming from the Chicago machine in a one-party state, is not used to strong opposition from the *other* party (which obviously wasn't provided by McCain). He could roll Hillary because she didn't want to alienate fellow Dems. Romney doesn't have that problem. Independents are already terrified by the unemployment figure so making it easier to give jobs to illegals is not going to be a winning move.

[NK]

Ig-- I agree with your 11:22. the Once is not just hitting the Kools, he's definitely Chooming big time these days.

[Thomas Collins]

Pravda Online has figured out the grand strategy of the US. The strategy consists of manipulation, sex and money. And the centerpiece of this strategy for world domination is . . . Kim Kardashian. See LUN (via Instapundit).

I would have chosen LiLo as the centerpiece to dominate the world, but I guess our grand strategists are Kim-centric.

[Jane]

I'm guessing a bong.

Me too, and here is one scenereo: Ron Paul delegates have been elected in droves for the convention all over the country. I expect, post election for Obama to announce he is legalizing pot and suddenly droves of Romney delegates announce they are leaving their candidate to vote for Obama.

[centralcal]

I hadn't heard that about the bus before, AliceH. Good for him, if true. However, I do think bgates is correct, too. lol!

[matt]

Ig, the last time I looked Afghanistan was right in the middle of South Asia. Technically it is SW Asia, but close enough.

[Porchlight]

It's possible the bus isn't available to the Repub candidate until after the official nomination.

Either way Romney is smart to turn it down. Bad visuals, and all joking aside it's absolutely true, he could never trust that it wasn't bugged.

[Janet]

If we are gonna let all the illegals become citizens, can we at least do away with the INS then?...save some money on those jobs.

Same with the birth control crap. If we're gonna pay for abortions & free birth control, can we stop the sex ed. K-12 blitz?...it is sure not working.

The libs should at least have to pick one:
*Enforce immigration laws or have no immigration laws & disband the INS
*Teach mind-numbing amounts of sex ed or encourage everyone to screw away & the taxpayers will pay for the repercussions

The libs should have to make a choice ...they can't have both.

[Jane]

Anyone have a good boneless chicken on the grill marinade or recipe - suitable for a visit from Caro?

[Chubby]

((The overwhelming negative response to Bush's amnesty in 2007 - from both Republicans and Democrats - should also be informative on this issue.))

exactly

I think one of the major reasons a lot of independents are independent is because both parties have been squishes on illegal immigration. Romney clearly is not at all squishy about illegal immigration, so it doesn't take much to figure out which way they'll break

[pagar]

"In brief, this was the biggest miss to expectations since February of 2006."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/consumer-confidence-plunges-biggest-miss-february-2006

And Holder figures he can dummy up enough voter fraud to get Obama reelected.

Amazing!

[matt]

it's okay, Janet...Timmy has two dads...and today's LA Times tells us that pre-teen transgender children simply are not getting enough social services including pre-gender reassignment counseling.

My question is whether any pre-teen has ever remained consistent about what they wanted by the time they became a post teen?

The headline in the LAT today is that funemployment in California is down to only 10.8%!

Time to find that island, and fast.....

[jimmyk]

I've always believed that Lib/Conservative commentators who say Once is better off if Obamacare is repealed were wrong.

I didn't mean to imply he's "better off"--I think he's toast either way. Just a question of whether he's burnt to a crisp or just medium. Oops, is that racist?

In other words, is the humiliation begin this month or does it come in November?

[Chubby]

independents are always saying they are independent because "both parties are the same" and in no area have the parties been more the same than on the issue of illegal immigration.

[Janet]

For that matter...why even have a federal government if they refuse to protect the sovereignty of our nation?

[Jane]

My question is whether any pre-teen has ever remained consistent about what they wanted by the time they became a post teen?

Ya know some of that has to be parenting. I have a very liberal friend who decided (to the horror of her ex-husband) when her child was a toddler that he was gay. So she pretty much raised him gay. (I actually don't know how it turned out, but it truly appalled me.) I don't even know any gay people who raise their kids as "gay".

[Ignatz]

--Ig, the last time I looked Afghanistan was right in the middle of South Asia. Technically it is SW Asia, but close enough.--

matt,
I was ridiculing bubu who once claimed Afghanistan was not in Asia, and when presented with incontrovertible proof of what a ninny he is, reconfirmed his exalted ninnyhood by doubling down and maintaining he was right. I believe he does to this day.

[DebinNC]

Obama is a treasure trove of bad visuals. Reportedly he made a drive-by of the WTC on the way to his SJP/Wintour fete, allowing him to stick taxpayers with the bill for his trip. I wish we'd see an ad featuring that "official visit". And another of the Obama-Robinson clan on safari with "senior advisors" Malia and Sasha along to offer advice. And another...and another... which showcase the glaring personal shortcomings and bad character of Obama hiding in plain sight behind his ubiquitous broad grin last seen several days ago at a BBQ joint photo-op minutes before he left without paying the $55 bill.

[AliceH]

--It's possible the bus isn't available to the Repub candidate until after the official nomination.--

That makes sense, Porch. Here's some links from last year:

But because they are part of the official US government fleet, campaigns will not be able to splash their political logos or other banners over the buses, which will retain their black paint schemes.

Obama's bus tour costing taxpayers thousands

A whopping $1.1 million. EACH.

[Captain Hate]

Iggy, the identity imbecile laid claim to being the king of the dumbasses with that innovative geography lesson; although I'd hate to put money against the Bard of Pitzer and the babbling mick knowing any better.

[NK]

JimmyK-- OK. More importantly, as a citizen, I badly want Obamacare overturned because if the SCOTUS says that the only restraint on the Congress is getting simple majorities-- God help us all-- Lefties and Righties alike. Lefties may want to ponder what a Congress made up of 535 Glenn Reynolds would do. They would pass Fed laws barring ANY local gun controls and order every able bodied adult to buy at least 2 handguns. One for home defense, one for carry. All constitutional if Obamacare is upheld.

[Captain Hate]

I wonder if we could co-opt the Clintons to help us rid ourselves of these clowns?

Do you go out in the hot Texas sun looking for scorpions you can trust?

[Porchlight]

To be fair, NK, I don't believe Glenn Reynolds would ever support forcing people to buy guns.

But fear of overreach is a healthy fear and lefties should fear it too - as they did when Bush was President and was going to make everyone's library checkout records public on the internet or something.

[Chubby]

just read on Drudge that Obama's illegal immigration thingie closely tracked a Rubio plan

[Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA]

Why do Repubs and Dems merit tax payer funded buses?
There are other parties too. Let all parties pay their own way.

[NK]

CaptH-- I had a revelation last night watching '41' on HBO. A brief video moment shows 'Bam awkwardly trying to help GHWB back into his wheelchair after placing the Medal of Freedom on his shoulders in 2010. A longer clip shows the WH when GHWB hosted the Clintons before inauguration. In contrast to 'Bam's awkwardness, Willie was gross and full of himself -- especially holding court and laughing it up with James Baker (bastard) and George Mitchell (Lebanese scorpion) while GHWB tried to be the model patrician host and keep a stiff upper lip. Just brief moments on video, but it's pretty clear to me, that 'Bam while a callow narcissist, isn't the truly gross and disgusting misanthrope that is Slick Willie. But then again, who is?

[NK]

Porch-- Reynolds as metaphor for 535 members of congress who believe gun ownership yields a civil society.

[Sue]

Do you go out in the hot Texas sun looking for scorpions you can trust?

No. ::sigh::

[Porchlight]

I got the metaphor, NK, but Reynolds still wouldn't support forcing people to buy guns. So any such fear on the part of lefties would be unfounded in that instance. Which is not to say that the scenario wouldn't work with them, since they are so ill-informed to begin with.

[dublindave]

I didn't mean to imply he's "better off"--I think he's toast either way.

Dems losing the WH because their healthcare law is upheld is like getting thrown out of a woman's apartment AFTER you've had sex with her.

[Ignatz]

24 hours of Le Mans starts tomorrow morning around 6:00AM ET.
This lovely lass was at Speed Channel's site while I was looking for air times;

[Rick Ballard]

If you wish to help Governor Romney, find the best tie between Obama's War on Mexicans and his embrace of illegal aliens. Dreams Die Young comes to mind but I'm sure others will do better.

[NK]

There are many gun supporters would don't have the self-restraint or civility of a Glenn Reynolds. In any event, the point is that our Lefty friends should remember, that if Obamacare stands, the Congress can not only tax them, it can coerce them to use their own money and resources to directly do things they oppose. It ends government for the people and by the people, and substitutes tyranny of the majority. Madison's and de Tocqueville's nightmare realized.

[NK]

Fat, drunk and stupid (and with bad Irish teeth), is no way to go through life son.....

[Porchlight]

just read on Drudge that Obama's illegal immigration thingie closely tracked a Rubio plan

Possibly, but Rubio has championed a bill, to be passed by a Congress, not enacted by a President by fiat.

Even supporters of DREAM should not approve of this overreach.

[Porchlight]

Rubio's statement from a few minutes ago:

“There is broad support for the idea that we should figure out a way to help kids who are undocumented through no fault of their own, but there is also broad consensus that it should be done in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future. This is a difficult balance to strike, one that this new policy, imposed by executive order, will make harder to achieve in the long run.

“Today’s announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem. And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”

[Porchlight]

It ends government for the people and by the people, and substitutes tyranny of the majority. Madison's and de Tocqueville's nightmare realized.

Fully concur, NK.

[Clarice]

He didn't lose all his supporters--there's Obama Boyttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn5nEV8q-4U&feature=player_embedded

Afghan Chicken Kabobs < Jane.

Here's the best recipe I could find for them (this is for 4-6)

2 lbs boneless skinless chicken breast
1 yellow onion, peeled and grated
4 cloves crushed garlic
3 T lemon juice
1 T water
1T ground coriander
2 t coriander
1 t kosher salt
1 t black pepper

Marinade chicken at least 3 hrs in refrigerator; skewer and grill

Serve over rice with grilled pepper, onion and tomatoes

Raita is also nice with it--mix Greek style yogurt, salt, dash of olive oil, grated cucumber and chopped dill or mint.

[Ignatz]

--There are many gun supporters would don't have the self-restraint or civility of a Glenn Reynolds.--

Requiring all people to own guns is not a particularly extreme position, historically speaking.
The militia act of 1792 defines members of the militia as all able bodied adult men between the ages of 18 and 45.
There is much more from our founding along these lines. A fully armed citizenry was expected and promoted.

[Clarice]

Obama boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn5nEV8q-4U&feature=player_embedded

[NK]

BTW-- these issues really prove what Righties have been saying. Scratch a Lefty-- just a wee bit-- and you get a National Socialist/Statist tyrant. You want a Dream Act shiny thing for an election?--adopt an EO forget the Congress. You want to take over the healthcare system, but the people don't want that and you don't have the votes? use budget reconciliation and force people to buy insurance. But unlike Mussolini, Joe Biden, can't even get Amtrak to run on time.

[Chubby]

when you search for Romney's campaign web site, "Immigration" appears as one of three major subheads in the search results. He is totally opposed to any kind of illegal immigration and any "magnet" that encourages it, including amnesties.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

[dublindave]

Fat, drunk and stupid (and with bad Irish teeth), is no way to go through life son.....

Pull your nickers up you're embarrasing yourself.I'll call you later when you've calmed down.

[jiimmyk]

"Dems losing the WH because their healthcare law is upheld is like getting thrown out of a woman's apartment AFTER you've had sex with her."

And having it repealed would be like waking up and realizing it was just a dream, and you're all alone (a familiar feeling for poor duda).

[Chubby]

thanks for your 12:28 Porchlight

[NK]

Ig-- don't open a can of worms. In 1792 there was the coast guard, a couple of remainning navy frigates with some embarked Marines and what? one Army regiment "the Old Guard," and no cops. Military and civil defense was in the hands of State Militias. Times have changed.

[NK]

does someone believe I was referring to someone in particular?

[Ignatz]

--Ig-- don't open a can of worms. In 1792 there was the coast guard, a couple of remainning navy frigates with some embarked Marines and what? one Army regiment "the Old Guard," and no cops. Military and civil defense was in the hands of State Militias. Times have changed.--

You endorse a living constitution?
My point was regarding an already existing power of the Feds about an armed citizenry separate and unattached to the commerce clause.
A short discussion at Slate of the militia act of 1792 and whether it sets a precedent for Obamacare.

[Threadkiller]

Chester Arthur was an ambitious Vice President with immigration troubles on his mind. Garfield was assassinated so Arthur's dreams could be realized.

[AliceH]

NK: It seems to me you used Prof Reynolds as a placeholder to represent a nebulous "They". Using Reynolds was probably not the best choice for your metaphor, but the real issue is who are these people who "would pass Fed laws barring ANY local gun controls and order every able bodied adult to buy at least 2 handguns." Seriously. No one who sincerely supports gun ownership and the 2nd amendment is going to want to force gun ownership on those who are unwilling -- or unable -- to do so. They have too much respect for guns and gun owners to do that.

My sense over the last few months is you have a strong bias against guns in general and concealed carry in particular. That's fine - but it colors your thinking and sometimes your comments weigh heavy on the hyperbolic straw men.

[dublindave]

And having it repealed would be like waking up and realizing it was just a dream, and you're all alone (a familiar feeling for poor duda).

I feel kind of bad because your leadership has sold you down the river and you're completely unaware of it.

It's over.The law has been upheld-all that's left is the announcement in 2 weeks.

Personlly,off the record Obama will thank the RNC for intervening,Roberts for co-operating and Mitt romney for supplying the blueprint that is 'Obamacare'.

And while that's going down you'll be tuned to their public faux outcry.

Lol.

[Mark Folkestad]

When Jane asked for a recipe for boneless chicken, I wasn't sure if she meant the typical Democrat or poultry. I hope that Clarice's suggestion is on point.