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August 21, 2012


hit and run

I'm a sucker for untradition.

self inflicted

Instead of preparing his resignation speech, this moron is cutting commercials. We are doomed.

" In new TV ad, Akin apologizes for rape comment, again"


If this dumbass received any contributions in the last 24 hours it was from Democrats only.


Commentary compares and contrasts the way the Dem party treated Biden last week and the way Republicans are treating Akin.http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/08/21/akin-and-the-difference-between-the-parties-mccaskill/


He should go today because he is going to hurt other candidates.

self inflicted

In case anyone had any glimmer of hope for "Dr." Akin based on the PPP poll showing him +1 up on McCaskill (about even with prior poll)...

This morning, Public Policy Polling races to tell us that “Missouri voters strongly disagree with the comments Todd Akin made about abortion over the weekend, but it hasn’t moved the numbers a whole lot in the Senate race. Akin leads Claire McCaskill by a single point, 44-43. That’s basically identical to our last poll of the contest in late May, which found Akin ahead by a 45-44 spread.”

Boy, that’s surprising. Why, that might be the sort of thing that would persuade Akin he can still win this and that he should stay in the race. Let’s take a look at that sample…

Democrat 30%
Republican 39%
Independent/Other 32%

Wow, R+9? Well, Missouri has been trending red lately, so maybe that’s not that abnormal… Let’s take a look at PPP’s survey in this state in late May, when they found Obama leading Romney in Missouri by a point:

Democrat 35%
Republican 33%
Independent/Other 33%

Wait, the sample went from D+2 to R+9? Gee, does anyone think that a heavily-Republican sample might be why Akin isn’t trailing yet?

Anyone suspect that the Democrat polling firm might be trying to get the result they want, to ensure Akin stays in, so that he can get pummeled in November?"

Bye, Bye Senate majority. Hello Obamacare and death panels.


Good Morning, to you too, TM.

I have mostly missed the Akin hubbub due to family visiting, so don't feel I can comment on it due to ignorance.

But, I do have a question about something else. Anyone getting frustrated with NRO's The Corner? The main site opens quick, but click on The Corner link and my computer goes into overdrive, so many links try to load and my hard drive roars. I have given up even trying to read there. What have they done?


Oh, and I just self-vacuumed the thread to suck up and toss out Dana Gilbert Ward's latest incarnation.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!


So is "self inflicted" Dana Ward?


That last pix you posted of the Town Hall shows where I was sitting.

self inflicted

"Anyone getting frustrated with NRO's The Corner? "

Are you using Firefox? I have had many issues over the last few months with firefox and any site running any flash. After a while the CPU would shoot up to 100% usage and the fans go in to high gear until I stopped the flash process. Finally dumped firefox for Chrome.

self inflicted

"So is "self inflicted" Dana Ward?"

No I'm not. I've posted here off and on I but I often forget prior name used and if I clear browser it no long auto populates.


As Churchill said, an appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Throwing Akin to the crocodiles may be short-run expedient, but it sends the message that every imperfection or imperfectly expressed sentiment by a Republican candidate merits the death penalty, while the Democrats are free to ignore gaffes from their side. That sets up a nice reward system for the MSM: Keep the microscope on the Republican candidates, you're bound to score, don't bother with the Democrats unless there's an actual crime or smoking gun.


I assume so, Jane. All the familiar trademarks seem to be there.

James D.

Our side needs to figure out a way to deal with the press more effectively, or otherwise neutralize things like this Akin fiasco.

I'm not just whining about the double standard here, or bleating about the basically-employed-by-the-DNC mainstream press.

Granted, Akin may be an idiot, and a smarter/more polished candidate wouldn't have said what he did, but the fact remains that all our candidates are fallable human beings, and sometimes they're going to screw up and say something that's wrong, or awful, or that plays into a dem talking point, or that can be easily misinterperted or twisted by a willing MSM.

That's inevitable. But if every time one of our candidates does it, every single conservative in every race in the country is forced to deal with it, and the offender is pushed to drop out and hand the race to their Dem opponent, we're completely screwed.

Our "top men," the jackasses who get 10% off the top of every campaign dollar we donate to these candidates, need to figure out some way to defuse these problems more quickly, or to strike back better, or to start catching out more Dems and forcing the press to cover it. I don't know how, but all these genuises are highly paid professionals, and it's about time they came up with something better than "throw the offender to the wolves, concede the race, and maybe it'll temporarily stop the bleeding."

James D.

As a response to the piling-on and crowing by the Dems, here's one response, off the top of my head:

Mr. Akin's comments were stupid. But regardless of his words or his views on abortion, it's important to remember that thanks to Senator McCaskill's vote for Obamacare, hundreds of thousands of doctors will be pushed out of the medical field, so there won't be anyone to perform ANY medical procedures. And thanks to her vote for the disastrously failed stimulus that threw $1.2 trillion down a rathole, there's no money to pay for any medical procedures anyway. But if you'd rather talk about one poorly worded comment that's unrepresentative of Mr. Akin's views, I guess that's your choice.


or imperfectly expressed sentiment by a Republican candidate merits the death penalty,

Exactly right, jimmyk.

Akin's 'legitimate' meant when a rape had actually occurred. As peter pointed out on the other thread - "Akin's words were indefensible, and plainly stupid, but I think that what he was trying to say is that the pro-abortion crowd wants to have abortion as a form of birth control. If there is an exception to pro-life, whatever it may be, safety of the mother, rape, those who want an abortion will lie, and use that escape clause. As it is, in places where late term abortion is illegal, the health of the mother is often fraudulently put down as the exception to the rule, and no one questions it. That being said, it was an astoundingly bad unforced error to even state it."

I found peter's last sentence pretty sad though. The lib/MFM/abortion worshipers have made it impossible to even raise certain topics. Akin's point about punishing the rapist instead of the child was exactly right.
It has become impossible to talk about certain topics because they are such a minefield of PC terms & stories of poor "victims". The MFM/libs win the debate because conservatives dare not bring up certain subjects.....abortion & homosexuality are both like that.


The Akin situation is prompting every obscure candidate to make a comment.In Maine,the Democrat Senate candidate (Dill) uses the WoW talking points.The Republican (Summers) and Independent (King) respond with their condemnation. The Bangor Daily News is able to remind us while quoting King that he is "generally considered the frontrunner in Maine's U.S. Senate contest." Need more coffee!


The guy interviewing Akin didn't act like he'd just heard the most heinous thing ever said aloud on television.


Jane,the Manchester Union Leader is reporting 3,000 attending the RR town hall at St.A's yesterday.


Dana Ward routinely denies being Dana Ward. Jus sayin'


I just don't understand the Republican urge to Trent-Lott their own people for small-time misstatements. It seems cowardly and I find it embarrassing.

Democrats act like warriors when their comrades are wounded.


So much of what the Republicans have to do and what the Democrats can get away with depends on the reporting of the matter. The MSM will side heavily with the Democrats and use any excuse to continue the assault on the Republican. So it has been for at least 50 years or longer.

Have Blue

If "self inflicted" is Dana Ward then he is a far better rhetorician than any of his previous attempts in the field indicated.
This would be the first time that he had ever not gone over the top with gratuitous hate and name calling. If this were Ward we would be reading about how all Republicans were "identity conservatives" want women to be "rape fueled, baby factories."

Just my two cents, not saying self inflicted is right or even legit, just saying he is not the troll from Pitzer.


I just don't understand the Republican urge to Trent-Lott their own people for small-time misstatements.

The problem is, that this isn't a small time mis-statement. A fact that is compounded when you realize that what he said is actually irrelivant to the argument he was making. When you make a moral argument, you don't preface it by saying that the issue isn't that big a deal anyway because it doesn't happen often.


If we could only find Obama's weakness, and have the same conservative mouthpieces that found unity trashing Akin focus on it, we might be getting somewhere.

I wonder if there is a tell.

He said he isn't bothered by charges from a political action committee called the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund, founded by Scott Taylor, a former SEAL from Virginia Beach, that accuse Obama of taking too much credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden last year.

"I don't take these folks too seriously," Obama said. "One of their members is a birther who denies I was born here, despite evidence to the contrary. You've got another who was a tea party candidate in a recent election. This kind of stuff springs up before election time."

SOURCE: http://hamptonroads.com/2012/08/virginianpilot-military-editor-interview-obama

Note to genius Obama: They are two different groups. http://opsecteam.org/ and http://specialoperationsspeaks.com/ . Show us the records you phony fraud!

Check out the evidence showing Obama's birth certificate and selective service registration are forgeries!



Nah, he isn't worried about this.


Ruth Marcus of the WaPo!!! reminds readers that Akin is the candidate of Reid's PAC and Claire. You'd think someone in his own party might have mentioned that.

I'm with Jimmyk and porch on the principle, but the opportunity to deal with this forthrightly and move on has passed.


Now Napolitano has been accused of sexual harassment. Will Akin's putative party run with this ball or sit on the sidelines sucking its thumb?


Democrats spent $1.5 mil to help Akin win GOP primary

The Post notes that these ad buys were actually more that Akin spent on his own campaign:

Had he made an argument on principle, I'd be more encouraged to support him, but it was on necessity, circumstance, et al,


R O M N E Y / R Y A N

Bringing women back the the 50's

(the 1750's)


[dimorat] ad buys were actually more that Akin spent on his own campaign

Could spin this fiasco as yet one more example of the GOP not backing Palin and blowing another big one.


sorry.....to the 50's

(the 1750's)


I found peter's last sentence pretty sad though. The lib/MFM/abortion worshipers have made it impossible to even raise certain topics.

Do you really think our bodies have a mechanism that prevents us from getting pregnant in a "legitimate" rape?


I mean he's been a Congressman for 12 years, yet he makes a rookie mistake like this.


"Do you really think our bodies have a mechanism that prevents us from getting pregnant in a "legitimate" rape?"

There is at least a grain of truth that circumstances likely affect odds of getting pregnant. Using the kind of logic that says a 10 pound rock obviously falls twice as fast as a 5 pound rock ... should get you to the obvious conclusion no problem.


"I just don't understand the Republican urge to Trent-Lott their own people for small-time misstatements."

Because you need women to win elections and you're hemorrhaging them faster than a hemophiliac rolling round a bathtub filled with razor blades.

Akin's comments bring every vote house Republican have taken over the last two years concerning women's reproductive rights into sharp focus and it's not a pretty picture. It also drags Ryan into the squabble which drags on Romney.


I hope that Romney/Ryan learn from this whole Akin thing.

I believe it was completely blown out of proportion,as Janet points out the party of stupid immediately goes into melt down the second abortion or homosexual rights come into the conversation. Yes people say stupid things but for crying out loud we need to learn to have a united, consistent and low key response ready instead of running around with our hair on fire over every little misstep.

It is to late now for Akin and he should go but I hope and pray Romney/Ryan will learn from this and change the standard operating procedure.

It would be nice ifrepubs/conservatives could remain calm take a step back, breath and then calmy, rationally respond.

Is that really too much to expect?


correction-----too late

bio mom

The comment about the ppp poll is accurate. They used an R+9 sample where previously when polling Missouri they used a D+2. Tom Jensen who runs this group is well known for agenda polling until just before an election when his reputation is on the line. Take anything from him with several grains of salt.

Ralph L

Sue, what's twisting your panties, the "legitimate" part or the biological defense part?


Perhaps a reference to this might help defang the Reid party:

The party of Cordell Hull, Estes Kefauver and Al Gore Sr. and Jr. won’t have a standard-bearer — or at least not one it can stomach — in Tennessee’s next U.S. Senate race.

Less than 24 hours after a man espousing conservative and libertarian views surprised the state’s political scene by winning the Democratic nomination, the Tennessee Democratic Party disavowed him, saying he’s part of an anti-gay hate group.

The party said Friday that it would do nothing to help Mark Clayton, 35, who received nearly twice as many votes as his closest challenger in Thursday’s seven-candidate primary, winning the right to challenge Republican U.S. Sen. Bob Corker in November.

How much press outside his state did it get that the Dems nominated a bigot for Senate?


Akin must go yesterday. For the next 80 days the only relevant political matter is winning elections. Beating McCaskill should be easy because she's an idiot. Running a Repub idiot against her makes it harder to win, hence get rid of the Repub idiot and win Mo easily. If you think keeping him on the Mo ticket is a good idea, think of all the good sport JOM has roasting Biden for his gaffes, and for attacking the Dem party because of individual Dem morons like Jackson Jr. and Wasserman Schultz. Mocking the other side's morons has a definite effect-- the fewer conservative morons the better. And as soon as Akin's gone we can go back mocking Biden, Schultz and that penis sucking Minnesota politician.


They did an 'Al Greene' or some might say a Lyndon Larouche, going back to Illinois in '86


No, Sue....but I don't think that was the point of what he was talking about.

I'd love some Dems (Obama) to be questioned about leaving babies to die in closets. Make them explain exactly what they believe & why for a change. Have some ABC radio news shows scream over & over how Dems vote to let babies die in closets & how Dems don't care if a baby has scissors stuck in the back of their skulls. The Dems even make heroes of the doctors that kill the babies. How come these facts aren't screamed everywhere? Why isn't there outrage about this?
I don't know Sue. I don't really know anything much about Atkin...just tired of watching social conservatives getting beat up.


Do you really think our bodies have a mechanism that prevents us from getting pregnant in a "legitimate" rape?

"Prevent"? Clear not. Reduce the likelihood (which was Akin's claim)? I have no idea. I'm not familiar with scientific research on that topic.

Of course it was stupid to bring up, since it was largely not relevant to his point, since even he acknowledges that it happens, and therefore it is a scenario that has to be addressed. But again, I don't think that was the big mistake. The big mistake was to use the word "legitimate." Almost every MSM article I've seen refers to his comment as the "legitimate rape" comment, which is a total red herring. And it enables such BS as this from Barry:

Rape is rape. And the idea that we should be parsing and qualifying and slicing what types of rape we're talking about doesn't make sense to the American people and certainly doesn't make sense to me.


Clearly not.


Rape is rape except when Whoopi says "it's not rape rape".

Captain Hate

Could spin this fiasco as yet one more example of the GOP not backing Palin and blowing another big one.

The most damning thing I've heard about Akin is that he was backed by the ultimate hayseed, Hucksterbee.

O/T The guy who wrote this book used to have as sterling of a reputation as his subject: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444443504577601093829708820.html?mod=WSJ_Books_LS_Books_8#articleTabs%3Darticle

Danube of Thought

Minus 17 at Taz today.

Trails Romney by 1.


The Tuesday conversation should be about the destruction of the Dept of Homeland security as a viable defense against Islamofacism by Lesbians Gone Wild headed by the canker sore Napolitano, or the next Biden Gaffe. Instead we're talking about the psycho-physical effects of 'rape'. Are you kiddin me, this is effin' manna from heaven for Obama.

Thomas Collins

MSM's focus on Akin and lack of coverage of Sorority House Gone Bad Honchoess Jan Nap is certainly reprehensible. However, I am having trouble getting upset about Akin when there is the possibility that Israel may attack Iran in October. See LUN. I know many disagree, but I firmly believe that this would tip the election to Obama. Obama would have no choice but to support the Israelis. He would grit his teeth, but he would support Israel. Plus, the short term implications for the US election would be that the persuadables would rally behind Obama. My only hope is that Bibi and Barak see this and conclude it's in the best interest of their country not to help Obama win re-election. However, I think this won't be their calculation. Their calculation is more likely to be that October is the best time to slam Iran and box the American POTUS into giving full support for any Israeli action.


It's not in anyone's interest , here or in Israel, for Obama to win re-election. If, however, the Israelis firmly believe Iran is about to launch a nuclear attack, they have to act and nothing Obama says or does will change that. OTOH those who voted to put this jerk in office should recognize that because he is weak, he has made the world far more unstable.

Captain Hate

Btw, I'm still waiting for AliceH to weigh in on how people in her state are feeling about being told that their election 2 weeks ago is suddenly null and void because of what strategic geniuses like John "trust me to win the Senate this time" Cornyn are telling them.

Thomas Collins

I hope the persuadables recognize that, Clarice. I'm not optimistic that they will.

As for Bibi and Barak, they'll act well before Iran has a plausible launching capability. The question then becomes what's the best time. It seems to me the best time is in October of 2012. Oh well, perhaps I shouldn't be so worried. Nothing can be done about it. I just hope Team Mitt is carefully preparing their reaction, which has to be along the lines of we urge Prez Obama to give Israel our full support in the crisis, and Prez Romney will continue that support (while separately continuing to hammer away on Obama's failure with the economy).



Chock full of nuts in the comment section.


We also haven't talked about Prince Harry in Vegas! Ha,Ha.

Thomas Collins

It must be tough to be royalty now, marlene. In the good old days, royalty's dissolute behavior could be hidden from us commoners!

Thomas Collins

I guess what happens in Vegas no longer stays in Vegas! See LUN.


I'm not sure an Israeli strike on Iran in October helps Obama much. It will point out what a failure Obama's policies in the region have been, and the hard core left will be furious with Obama for not stopping Israel.

And this is a very oportune moment for the Israelis, as the civil war in Syria will prevent the Hezbuls from mounting any significant attack in support of Iran. And with Hezbulla losing both its main patrons, the long knives in Lebanon will be out to cut them back down to size.


Here is the question to Akin -
"What about in the case of rape, should it be legal or not?"

So the pro-life guy gets deeper questions...that is fine. Does pro-abortion McCaskill get any deeper questions ever? What are the boundaries for killing babies? Are there any? Do you favor partial birth abortion? Should there be mandatory reporting by abortion facilities to law enforcement agencies about any pregnancies to minors or caused by rape?
I wish the libs were sometimes asked the harder questions.


No, Sue....but I don't think that was the point of what he was talking about.

Okay. If he had said he was against abortion, under any circumstance, rape included, I would have stood by him till the end of time. It's his stupidity that did him in, not his position on abortion.


Why even one of the President's biggest supporters sent money to Akin: (Weekly Standard)
A big-time donor to President Barack Obama is also a financial supporter of Paul Ryan. Marc Benioff, a national campaign co-chair for President Obama's reelection campaign, donated $10,000 to Ryan's political action committee earlier this summer, in June, according to CNN.

Benioff has helped raise more than $500,000 for Obama's re-election effort, and even hosted a $35,800-a-plate fundraiser featuring Stevie Wonder and hip-hop artist Will.i.am.

The founder and CEO of Salesforce.com is also an Obama national campaign co-chair, a distinction awarded to select Democratic heavyweights like Rahm Emanuel, Dick Durbin and Russ Feingold.


Time to turn the music up.


Benihoff = bet hedging. Just another crony capitalist looking to buy access. Hope Ryan doesn't take any calls from him starting Nov. 7th.




On Sunday, my plan was to take a week off from commenting and to cut back on my time online. That doesn't seem to be working out...

--Btw, I'm still waiting for AliceH to weigh in on how people in her state are feeling --

CH: I cannot weigh in this question because I have no information or even guesses about this. Sorry.

My own feeling is that the NRSC, Crossroads, R&R, Johnson, Brown, and a host of other party leaders have taken every viable option off the table EXCEPT for Akin to stand aside. I await the announcement of who will be the nominee, and hope hope hope hope that an article I read somewhere about Joanne Emerson being floated as a possible replacement is empty air.


Bingo, Janet!

Now that Akin has cameras on his tail, he needs to turn this around. Go on all the shows, challenge Obama to a debate.

Instead C3 Preibus for "O" goes on msnbc this morning with a droid, studies the blueprints, and shows the assholes the womprat sized target that brings the whole GOP down.



Captain Hate

Thanks AliceH; this has all happened so quickly that I'd expect that to be the answer. Still I think that leaning on a primary winner to withdraw has its own set of pitfalls; that the vote was so divided would probably minimize that though.



It has been my experience that those on the pro-abortion side never get into the deeper questions.

If you have to think too deeply you may have to face the fact that you are killing a baby.

The rape/incest canard is always thrown into the mix.


No amount of GOP deflection will prevent the MSM from playing up Akin's comments.

For the good of the country, this clown should step aside.

No, I won't defend him because he is "social conservative" espousing his heart felt beliefs.

He is a mis-informed idiot, a lousy politician, and his unwillingness to step aside shows that his thirst for power is far greater than his wisdom. How is that good for the GOP? Who wants to circle the wagons for that?


The world is a very strange place.


Correcting my 10:23
Why even one of the President's biggest supporters sent money to RYAN: (Weekly Standard)


OT-- Victor Davis Hanson sells his 40 acres near Selma Calif. to an export entrepeneur: http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/when-land-is-history/



A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia's Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."


Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.

He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody."


Holy shit! I assume Gangsta rappers will be next.


I am reminded of this:


Rick Ballard


Do you recall the Clinton Dems sending operatives to Israel to help Ehud Barak beat Netanyahu in 1999? Bibi does. Does Ahmadinnerjacket want BOzo to remain in the WH? How about the KSA? I believe the carrion stench of Obama's Arab Spring continues to offend the Persian oilygarchs as much as it does the remaining delightful and charming Arab dictators.

The saber rattling has driven oil back to $100 and gas is heading back to $5. If Israel determines that Iran absolutely must have its 'Nuts With Nukes' program reset to zero, I would anticipate the action being taken after the US election.


"The rape/incest canard is always thrown into the mix."

So what you're saying is that women who say 'no' really mean 'yes'?

Danube of Thought

So is "self inflicted" Dana Ward?

No. "Total energy" is.


Mockmook: It is impossible for a Republican in MO to be elected who not a strong Social Conservative. Akin's remarks are not politically defensible, but his actual position on abortion is not an outlier here.

I dispute your characterization that he has a thirst for power. He wants to do what is right and if we grant his political stupidity as being a cause of his starting this mess, it's entirely reasonable to assign his delay in stepping aside to the same cause. Nothing more than that.


Smart move:

MADISON — Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the Department of Justice (DOJ) announced today that they will file a “Petition to Bypass Court of Appeals” and “Motion for Consolidation” with the Wisconsin Supreme Court, in each of two legal actions originally commenced in Dane County Circuit Court challenging the state's “Voter ID” law, 2011 Wis. Act 23. The Attorney General will further ask the Supreme Court to immediately stay each of the Circuit Court injunctions against the Voter ID law in a determined effort to ensure the law will be in place for the November 6, 2012, general election.


To ye remaining remaining defenders of Akin:

If you believe that the GOP really needs to be constantly explaining its principled position on abortion in the case of rape, and chase away the somewhat moderate women who would otherwise focus on the unsustainable growth in ntional government spending, which can only be finded through increased taxtion that ill affet their pocketbook and standard of living, then by all means protest this orchestrated hounding of Akin.

But you all will certainly look dumb if the Senate is 49 R - 51 D, because an easy pick-up was thrown away, and Romney can't get Obamacare repealed via Reconciliation.

Danube of Thought
The parallels between 1932 and 2008 are not trifling.

Hoover won the nomination with 98% of the delegates, but it would be nearly 20 years before republicans regained the WH and 60 years before the House was regained.

Start rebuilding now, all ye of conservative hope.

Comment Posted By Dana Gilbert Ward of Pitzer College On 5.02.2008 @ 21:16

Indeed they are not trifling. In fact, if the Republicans had gained 66 seats in the House to give them a majority in that chamber in 1934, the parallels would be exact.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

I still think Akin should say he'll go if Joe Biden goes.


Thanks Clarice! Now that the needed number of recusals re Prosser have been filed, the Supreme Court is back in action.



The only thing Akin should say is "Goodbye".


"But you all will certainly look dumb if ..."

Not as dumb as voting for Obama.

Danube of Thought

What Lawrence Summers said at Harvard was not nearly as dumb as what this clown did, and the Left kicked him out without hesitation.


I told ya'. I told ya' yesterday. Obama fed the questions to the reporters. Drudge is headlining.

Danube of Thought


A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that among those who are self-employed or own their own business, Mitt Romney enjoys a 20-point lead. Fifty-six percent (56%) favor Romney, and 36% prefer the president.

Summers dumbness was less a factor than the particular "truth" that can't be spoken.


Hi AliceH,

Atkin based his "principled" stand on this thorny ethical issue on "something he heard" regarding pregnancies and rape.

I doubt you would do a TV interview espousing views on one of the most profound issues of life and death, views shaped by "something you heard".

That is not the kind of social conservatism we need.


I still think Akin should say he'll go if Joe Biden goes.

No, no! We love Biden. Keep him on the ticket. Akin should say he'll go as long as genius Biden is kept! It's win-win, literally.



Fortunately for the development of the Tea Party, we don't have the alternative history of what would have happened had McCain been elected. I disagree with every other poster (except DublinD) on this board that the election of McCain just might have been worse. (Not necessarily worse -- but a 50-50 possibility) The development of a more libertarian version of the GOP has been a very positive good, from my standpoint, and I don't think that happens with McCain.

I don't want to argue alternative history with y'all. But I thought I'd get my viewpoint out there.


--What Lawrence Summers said at Harvard was not nearly as dumb as what this clown did, and the Left kicked him out without hesitation.

Posted by: Danube of Thought | August 21, 2012 at 11:28 AM--

Not sure that shameful episode is exactly the parallel the "he should go" side ought to be drawing attention to.

Dave (in MA)

Drudge is saying that Biden is heading to Tampa.


Okay. If he had said he was against abortion, under any circumstance, rape included, I would have stood by him till the end of time.

He did say that, although in different words.

It's the additional remarks that you find objectionable, correct?


What Lawrence Summers said at Harvard was not nearly as dumb as what this clown did, and the Left kicked him out without hesitation.

So? Are we to emulate the Left now?

Summers should not have been crucified over his remarks and I don't believe Akin should be either.


Click for full size.

Danube of Thought

When you've lost Norah O'Donnell....


-- I disagree with every other poster (except DublinD) on this board that the election of McCain just might have been worse.--

If I'm reading that right, I don't think that's an accurate description of every other poster here, Appalled.


--Drudge is saying that Biden is heading to Tampa.

Posted by: Dave (in MA) | August 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM--

Did he leave his blinker on?

Some guy

The way forward re: Akin...

One, is to keep in mind that it is only August and don't get too focused on the heat of the moment commentary, either pro or con. Take a step back and think about what would deliver a win in Missouri and it's implication on the full Senate.

I disagree that Akin will have national implications so that shouldn't be the driving concern.

However, he is a problem regarding the Missouri seat, and the problem isn't constrained to his rape comment. The lingering problem is the democrat interference in the primary process.

That already had him tainted to some extent with both genuine independents and probably quite a few republicans. Sometimes the 'be careful what you wish for' can backfire on incumbents attempting to be too smart (ex. Carter/Reagan). Unless someone can make a case that Akin is more Reagan than Biden as political talent...

...then Akin needs to step aside. That conclusion is very reluctantly reached after some consideration.

That's lemons, but there is some lemonade to be made. The Missouri GOP, and the national Senate campaign need to leverage the McGasbill & donkey attempts to game the system, cheat the voters and taint the process. Make it clear that now, Missouri gets a choice between McCaskill and the republican she was afraid to face. -- that's the way forward as I see it.


What Lawrence Summers said at Harvard was not nearly as dumb as what this clown did, and the Left kicked him out without hesitation.

The common theme being that if you say something politically incorrect, whether or not it is true, you're done. Not sure we should play by the left's rules, but I'm going to reluctantly agree with Clarice @ 9:25am: "the opportunity to deal with this forthrightly and move on has passed."

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