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August 07, 2012

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hit and run

Oh, and Tony Robbins will be there too. I should mention that.

I'll let you know if I decide to walk on any hot coals.

Chubby

((...be ignored because everybody will be interested only in who Romney's VP choice will be.))

I think that's wrong because Romney's doing the tour to meet, greet and introduce himself IRL to grassroots voters. I've read that he's far more dynamic in person than he comes across in the various media, so he's working that strength for all it's worth.

henry

Hit, walk the coals, but thow poewell on them first to protect your feet.

daddy

As I caught up, was glad to see that others thought Kristol's "timing for the VP announcement" comment was as daffy as usual.

When I think about it, I believe we spend more or as much time slapping around Will and Kristol and Noonan and NRO and guys on our side as we do guys on their side. Hopefully that is a healthy exercise, but wouldn't it be nice if some of our Beltway pundits would shut up with the PC and Conventional Wisdom stupidity so that we didn't have to do that so much.

centralcal

Amen, daddy.

Soylent Red

It’s that Mitt Romney had a father who loved him.

Lo...even, that Mitt Romney knew who his real daddy was.


I believe we spend more or as much time slapping around Will and Kristol and Noonan and NRO and guys on our side as we do guys on their side.

With the notable exception of our jovial host's periodic but guaranteed bitch-slapping of Teh Krugman, we do spend as much time disdaining the "conservative" punditry as we do the usual suspects on the Left.

Krugman gets his own category here.

Captain Hate

Tammy just gave a HOF rant on the Starbucks day of support for homo marriage, which is not going so well: If you want to gain respect for your position, instead of partying and acting like a flaming a-hole 24/7, invest some time and effort into starting your own business or something similarly deserving of respect, and then we'll talk about what you want.

Extraneus

Glasses look to keep Israeli women out of sight of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men

The ultra-Orthodox community's unofficial "modesty patrols" are selling glasses with special blur-inducing stickers on their lenses. The glasses provide clear vision for up to a few meters so as not to impede movement, but anything beyond that gets blurry -- including women. It's not known how many have been sold.

For men forced to venture outside their insular communities, hoods and shields that block peripheral vision are also being offered.

narciso

THey 'self flagelate' themselves more than Paul Bettany's albino assassin in 'Da Vinci
Code', for no good reason, where as attacks on the Main Enemy get lost.

Cheney should have said, she brought great energy and enthusiasm to the ticket, that she focused on the major issue of energy independence, that she was very prescient in predicting all the hardships we would face with an Obama presidency, Instead, he gave voice to Schmidt, Wallace, Jones and Madden's clouding narrative, Not only did the former happen to be true, but his proxy Dewhurst might not have been shellacked as badly,

jimmyk

The glasses provide clear vision for up to a few meters so as not to impede movement, but anything beyond that gets blurry -- including women.

You think the Muslims could go this route instead of the burkas? That seems to put the onus where it belongs, no?

Captain Hate

When I think about it, I believe we spend more or as much time slapping around Will and Kristol and Noonan and NRO and guys on our side as we do guys on their side. Hopefully that is a healthy exercise

It is healthy and puts the lie to the troll droppings that we march in lockstep to any purported spokespeople. The trolls on the other hand...

Ignatz

--Thanks for pointing out the double-standard of a system that allows gun dealers to go unregulated while unarmed minorities on the street-corners get molested by the cops on a regular basis.--

I'm a regulated gun dealer and you're a regular moron.

centralcal

Bing today has a lovely close up image of an equestrienne and dressage horse, with links to Ann Romney and Rafalca at the Olympics.

I thought that was a nice gesture and something we would never ever get from Gaggle, I mean Google.

James D.

When I think about it, I believe we spend more or as much time slapping around Will and Kristol and Noonan and NRO and guys on our side as we do guys on their side. Hopefully that is a healthy exercise, but wouldn't it be nice if some of our Beltway pundits would shut up with the PC and Conventional Wisdom stupidity so that we didn't have to do that so much.

The problem is that we've got these Beltway/Top Men/Duke and Duke idiots on our side in the first place, who are either overly enamored of the sound of their own voice, or are desperate to curry favor with the "respectable" cocktail party set. Or both.

The other side has plenty of similar idiots, but they already ARE the "respectable" cocktail party set and they don't need to trash their own side in order to get invited to Sally Quinn's house.

NK

Petraeus-- why wouldn't he be a fantastic choice? It allows Mitt to say my VP fits the bill of being POTUS in an emergency (and look at their guy Biden.) Mitt gets to say Petraeus is my foreign policy adviser, so Mitt can fix the economic mess the Dems have made worse. How does 'Bam attack Petraeus exactly? He's so bad that's why I appointed him to high ranking positions-- TWICE! Portman = Boring; Petraeus = competent AND exciting IMO.

Danube of Thought

I am asking the anti-Semitic activist Andrew to identify an unregulated gun dealer, and to specify who iw as that allowed that dealer to go untrgulated. But he won't.

Captain Hate

Petraeus-- why wouldn't he be a fantastic choice?

He's now part of the JEF's administration. I don't think it would be good for him or the Repubs to put him in the position of changing horses in midstream. It's too bad because I think he's a very good man full of integrity; but the timing isn't good.

jimmyk

The other side has plenty of similar idiots, but they already ARE the "respectable" cocktail party set

The analogous "idiots" on their side would be those who occasionally step off the leftist line, people like Nat Hentoff, Kondracke, Zuckerman, Rendell, Dershowitz. I think they mostly get disinvited from the DC/Manhattan cocktail parties.

Soylent Red

Petraeus = competent AND exciting IMO

Competent: Yes

Exciting: Depends.

Petraeus will definitely "excite" the Code Pink types. But I don't think Petraeus wants the Executive Branch booby prize, or to be a politician at all for that matter. His brief tenure at CIA should have already schooled him on the vast differences between the DoD and the rest of the government.

Zero is pushing this out there, as someone has said, in order to make Romney's actual pick seem boring and uninspired in comparison.

Doesn't matter. As long as the person is competent and will bring something to the ticket, he will be a good pick. I keep saying it: this election is about competence, not style.

Extraneus

Petraeus-- why wouldn't he be a fantastic choice?

Does he think spreading the wealth around is good for everybody? That we all built Apple because roads and bridges were once constructed?

How can people support someone whose political philosophy is unknown?

NK

CH-- I understand that the 'turncoat' accusation is the one downside-- and it may be too clever by a half-- but Petraeus IMO could pull it off saying "I'm a military man and chief administrator of the CIA-- I've always been loyal up the chain of command and down to my troops and agents, and I've followed the policy adopted by the elected politicians. NOW I must become an elected politician because the country I love in in danger. the world is increasingly dangerous, and current policymakers don't understand those dangers or are ignoring them. That must change' High risk, high reward. I still prefer it to the 'safe' choice.

Appalled

Petraeus-- why wouldn't he be a fantastic choice?

1. This is not a foreign policy election.

2. Do you really want to remind folks about the Bush war in Iraq and the unfinished Bush war in Afghanistan?

3. The election is about the economy, and how Obama's policies are wrecking it, and how we can fix this mess. This election needs a credible team that seems like it is competent to fix things. Seems like both Ryan and Portman meet this job description. Do we even know if Petraeus knows squat about the economy, or deling with Congress to get the legislation passed to fix this mess?

Frankly, Petraeus sounds like somebody McCain would have picked (Gee, he's tough, and we don't even know if he voted in 2008. That must make him bipartisan...)

AliceH

Just re-read this Rove editorial in WSJ from last April - "I Was Wrong About Dick Cheney"

Key quote (my emphasis):

The next day, Mr. Bush called to say I was right. There would be real political problems if he chose Mr. Cheney. So solve them, he said. Politics was my responsibility. His job was different: to select his best partner in the White House and a person the country would have confidence in if something terrible happened to him.

NK

Political Philosophy? Petraeus' military ad foreign policy philosphy is extensively known. Lefties hate it, that's why 'Bam has been using Petraeus for political cover for 3 years. Taxes/economy/budget? those things are Mitt's/Congress's portfolio, won't be issues for Petraeus as VP.

Captain Hate

NK, I understand where you're coming from but I'm not sure the muddle would necessarily buy it when the Pinhead Troika goes in full attack mode which they surely will. There are other good choices who don't come with strings attached.

Janet

Maybe, as a general rule, government at every level - and the people who staff it - ought to demonstrate that they understand and can competently, correctly and even-handedly utilize the wide variety of legal tools already at their disposal, before calling for the citizenry to cede yet more power (and resources) to them.

Just a thought.

Wonderful post, James D.!

NK

Economy Election-- Mitt will camppaign strictly on the economy- that's a winning hand. But there's 2 sides to the election. 'Bam will haul out all of the 'Establishment' foreign policy types, including Colin Powell, to say Romeny's dangerously out of touch/naive, Romeny will make the world more dangerous, 'Bam's kept the peace, blah, blah, blah. All a diversion from his disasterous losing economic record. Petraeus is a shield against that diversion.

Appalled

NK:

The VP should be someone who could take over as president -- which suggests someone fairly well rounded. You mke a good case for Petraeus as National Security Advisor.

Porchlight

NK, I understand where you're coming from but I'm not sure the muddle would necessarily buy it when the Pinhead Troika goes in full attack mode which they surely will.

How do they go in full attack mode against a member of their own administration (Petraeus)?

I'm not sold on Petraeus (and I don't think he's a likely pick anyway) but I'm also not sure I buy the idea that Obama could credibly attack his own guy, especially someone of Petraeus' caliber, and have it not backfire immensely on him.

And forget about "Bush's wars," they're Obama's wars now. Any criticism of Petraeus' handling of them redounds to Petraeus' boss for the last four years, which is Obama.

NK

I massively prefer Ryan over Portman. If you go Ryan and all-in on budget/economic matters campaign including VP-- Romney still will have to blunt Obama's Romney's a foreign policy fanatic claim from all the establishment types Bam will line up.

Porchlight

The VP should be someone who could take over as president -- which suggests someone fairly well rounded.

People only say things like that when they're talking about the Republican ticket. Was Joe Biden well-rounded? No, and you voted for him anyway.

sailor

NK, Petraeus is not a politician and his politics are an unknown. Good, honorable man, I think, but a poor choice. I would really like Allen West but know he will not be chosen as Romney will go "safe." I wonder why Drudge is headlining this? Could it be a "plant" from the WH?

Frau Barfuss

I'll let you know if I decide to walk on any hot coals.

Hit, you don't have to leave home or the driveway to do that.

NK

Petraeus would be an excellent NSA; but NSA's don't help you get elected. IMO Petraeus improves Romney's odds of winning, as opposed to Portman or even Ryan.

NK

Allen West-- is my personal favorite --IF,IF-- he's a team player and stays on message-- and doesn't cause distractions from the candidate. Apparently, Romney doesn't have that confidence in West.

James D.

How do they go in full attack mode against a member of their own administration (Petraeus)?

I don't know either, but I'm pretty confident that if Petraus is picked, we'd find out in short order, with the full and willing cooperation of the MSM.

narciso

Of course Greg Craig, actually represented the Mevs oligarchs, but that's copacetic;

http://minx.cc/?post=331714

Captain Hate

How do they go in full attack mode against a member of their own administration (Petraeus)?

Well he won't be at that point; and then they'll start dropping hints that he was playing politics while in office. All complete garbage of course; but the likes of Plame and her tub of shit husband will back it up.

Porchlight

I see them trying it, but I don't see it working for them.

I don't know about Petraeus, but I confess I would like to see someone on the ticket with some foreign policy creds. It's not a foreign policy election, so far any way - who knows what might happen between now and November - but we have the next four years to think about.

Sara

I love this pic. Romney shopping for snacks to feed his advisers called for a meeting to his NH home.

In N.H., Romney runs errands, hosts campaign aides

I just cannot imagine Obama ever doing this. He'd send one of his gophers. Hint: one reason people who have lots of money have lots of money is they don't waste it on flunkies.

matt

I can say that David Petraeus is conservative and above all he is committed to doing what is best for his country. He is one of the most honorable men our country has produced.

He would also bring tremendous knowledge with him on the international side. If you haven't noticed, he is deep in the woodwork. You hear about Panetta. You don't hear much about Petraeus. He took the job at the request of his president, not a candidate.

He is also one of the most driven to excel of anyone I have ever read of. Whether he would stand the slings and arrows of politics is a whole 'nother story.

If Obama wants to throw mud, he would be alienating huge swathes of the electorate.

NK

OT-- Romney has a HUGE skull/head. That is all.

Porchlight

If Obama wants to throw mud, he would be alienating huge swathes of the electorate.

Precisely, matt.

NK

Matt@3:11 is how I see it. As far as "Whether he would stand the slings and arrows of politics is a whole 'nother story." I think Petraeus passed that political test with flying colors. In 2007 Petraeus was Bush's personal ambassador to Congress for the 'Surge' in Iraq. The left screamed BETRAY-US', HildaBeast talked about suspending disbelief-- Petraeus and Bush responded with reason and courage-- by 2009 HildaBeast was eating the peanuts out of Petraeus's poop.

Extraneus

More from Have Blue on the 3D printing of guns.

Via Insty.

Sara

When I think about it, I believe we spend more or as much time slapping around Will and Kristol and Noonan and NRO and guys on our side as we do guys on their side.

Kristol is on our side? Since when? Certainly not since 2005-6.

AliceH

I don't need to be sold on Petraeus' intelligence, loyalty, patriotism. I nonetheless do not see him in political office as a Vice President. I'd rather he "came out" with his own positions on numerous domestic and foreign issues before being put in another role of supporting the policies and positions of the guy he reports to. He may well believe all the same things I do, or Mitt does, or you do ... but we won't know that if he just goes from serving at the pleasure of this president to that president.

Rick Ballard

The swathes of the electorate in question would only be further alienated. They ain't exactly in love with BOzo today. The observation made by Soylent, " this election is about competence, not style" is absolutely correct. Petraeus is only interesting to the extent he has demonstrated superb proficiency a a military leader. I don't see any votes added by the choice and I don't foresee the selection of anyone who would be exciting to the Tea Party happening at all. Jane has the oligarchs justifiably reducing the Immodium supply to the point of scarcity. They haven't the guts to confront or address their complete failure so we can count on them attempting to ignore the Tea Party straight through the election.

Sara

I have been saying for 2 years that Romney needs someone as VP who brings both military cred and military experience, because this is Romney's weakest area. Petraeus fits perfectly, plus his own personal resume is stellar. I like West very much too, but he is a loose cannon and he also has some very big negatives from a campaign perspective (not in my book, but...).

The idea that taking the CIA job was changing sides is silly. I know the CIA has been infested on and off over the years, but it really is and should be a non-partisan agency.

Porchlight

The swathes of the electorate in question would only be further alienated.

I thought of that too, Rick, but I think there are still some independents in there who aren't quite sold on Romney but who might not like seeing Obama trash a fine man like Petraeus.

New thread on this very subject btw...

Porchlight

Agree with Sara. I love West but he isn't the right fit.

Threadkiller

" That was just four years before Lord Coke ruled that one is a natural-born citizen of the country in which he was born."

...as long as the child is born to Christians.

FTFY

A natural born subject had to meet two requirements. Jus soli and jus sanguinis. Lord Coke said so. Gray knew this, that OS why he declared WKA a citizen and nothing more.

Threadkiller

OS = is.

F'n Droid...

Gus

I like Harry Reids projection. Mitt Romney's father was most certainly proud of his son. A giving man of character and achievement.
Obama's Father, on the other hand, dumped Opie, like a soiled diaper. But Opie rebounded with the help of Frank Marshall Davis.

Sara

This Reid thing about Romney's father is a furtherance of that stupid Newsweek smear that Romney is insecure.

I have not seen one iota of a sign that Romney is insecure about anything. Did he love his Dad, yes. Was his Dad his main role model, yes. Was his Dad a good role model, yes. Did his Dad insist that all his children learn a good work ethic, yes. There was no spoiling in that family. Did he insist that his children learn to help the less fortunate, yes (the Mormon way). Did his Dad imbue in his son a love of America and a belief that America is exceptional because of her guarantees of freedom, yes, yes yes!

When Ann Romney was asked who one of the finest men she has ever known is, she quickly answered, George Romney, Mitt's Dad. To me that is high praise, considering it came from a daughter-in-law.

Gus

Sara, have you ever heard anyone, other than some slobbering liberal, say anything nice about Obama. Have you ever heard anyone make a statement about Obama being charitable or kind? Have you ever heard of or seen Obama do anything for anyone other than himself? Obama is a LOSER. Always has been.

Danube of Thought

"He's now part of the JEF's administration."

I think military men get a pass on that one, but I still don't think he'd be a particularly good choice, for many of the reasons stated. Anyway, I really doubt he'd accept.

Danube of Thought

"...as long as the child is born to Christians."

Any such requirement was addressed--and eliminated--by the constitution.

Janet

Obama is a LOSER. Always has been.

Amen, Gus! "Believe in America" and lets get this debacle turned around.

Danube of Thought

"that is why he declared WKA a citizen and nothing more."

He decided it because that was the only issue presented by the case.

Threadkiller

"He decided it because that was the only issue presented by the case."

Meaning that, to date, no child born here to parents that weren't both citizens has ever been declared a natural born citizen by the Supreme Court.

However, children born to citizen parents maintain a stellar record with the Supreme Court and their interpretation on natural born.

Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Shanks v DuPont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Dred Scott v Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)
Minor v Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html

English common law must have eluded them.

Gus

My Mother was born in Scotland. I am a natural born citizen. I was born in Maryland.

Danube of Thought

"no child born here to parents that weren't both citizens has ever been declared a natural born citizen by the Supreme Court."

As I have stated ad infinitum, the issue has never been presented to that Court.

Danube of Thought

"English common law must have eluded them. "

English common law, so far as I know, had no bearing on any of those cases one way or another. Not one of the cases you cited decided the question of the meaning of natural born.

The only appellate court in the country ever to consider the question decided that Barack Obama, despite having an alien father, is natural born. Every court challenge to his status has failed.

Gus

What a coincidence, I my Mother was an "alien" and was required to report herself to the govt. annually. I however was born here in the U.S.A. thereby making me a natural born citizen. Just like TK.

boris

my Mother was an "alien"

Explains a lot actually.

Sara

Gus, you are native born.

Danube of Thought

Gus, you are both natural born and native born. The latter term is rarely used in the law, but Chief Justice Story used the two terms synonymously.

boris

"you are both ..."

Until SCOTUS rules and tells us what it means (again) nobody really knows for sure ... so might as well listen to DoT and run for prez.

Threadkiller

Chief Justice Story said:

" It is indispensable, too, that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States; or a citizen at the adoption of the constitution, and for fourteen years before his election.

This permission of a [pre-1787-born] naturalized citizen to become president is an exception from the great fundamental policy of all governments, to exclude foreign influence from their executive councils and duties. It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honours in their adopted country. A positive exclusion of them from the office would have been unjust to their merits, and painful to their sensibilities.

But the general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe. Germany, Poland, and even the pontificate of Rome, are sad, but instructive examples of the enduring mischiefs arising from this source."

If half black equals black, I surmise that half foreigner equals foreigner.

boris

It makes sense for a king to say natural born "subject" means every poor sod born in the king's country is under the dominion of the king and "subject" to his rule.

If DoT wants to claim the colonists were so enamored of kingly subjugation that they would simply substitute "citizen" for "subject" and keep the same meaning ... then DoT must believe the founders wanted to be sure every indian, every slave, and all the offspring of German mercenaries, French explorers and Spanish invaders would be eligible to be president of the US.

Me ? Seems to me they more likely wanted to restrict eligibility to those they most trusted to faithfully carry on their unprecedented experiment in liberty. So ... nah.

Danube of Thought

"It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office"

Holding that eligibility requires being born on US soil achieved that goal. It prevented the Duke of Prussia from coming to the US and running for president, as the Founders were concerned he might. Suffice to say that the corrupt foreign influences on the elective monarchies of Germany, Poland and the pontificate of Rome were rendered impossible by the requirement of jus soli. To maintain that, because of such concerns, the American people can be denied the right to elect one of their citizens born in this country is to soar into lunacy. Which might cause you to consider that no legal challenge to eligibility on the basis for which you contend has been brought by anyone who is not a lunatic.

It is not at all necessary to believe that the Founders were enamored of subjugation to believe that where, as in this instance, citizen and subject would have the same practical meaning, they gave it that meaning.

Threadkiller

Subject required being a Christian. You say the Constitution removed this element but you provide no authority to back thin claim.

Please show where natural born subject is synonymous with natural born citizen with the specific reference to the Constitution having eliminated Lord Coke's complete definition of natural born subject.

I await the wild task you will assign me to avoid addressing the challenge set before you.

Threadkiller

Thin = that

Sara

Gus, you are native born.

boris

"To maintain that, because of such concerns, the American people can be denied the right to elect one of their citizens born in this country is to soar into lunacy."

So even if that's exactly what the founders intended ... it should be ignored because it would deny the American people the "right" to elect whoever they want.

Got it.

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