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August 03, 2012



I guess it all depends on the meaning of 'worked'.


Jonah Goldberg links to a Hugh Hewitt interview with one of the weenies at Quinny. If you think this analysis several of us have been doing is all wet, or at least suspect, then you would expect a strong defense of the results by Quinny assistant directors wouldn't you? Go take a look and see the fool bumble and stumble and try to say "yes but no" and have no real response other than, "well we called a lot of Democrats and that is what they told us." Its funny, really it is.

Thomas Collins

Re steve's 10:13 AM post: See LUN (via Instapundit) for Tyler Durden's take on July seasonal adjustments that goosed up the jobs increase figure.


I'm reposting Gmax's comment from the last thread because it's an important one. Hope he doesn't mind.

Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge gonna 'splain' it all to you:

Happy by the headline establishment survey print of 133,245 which says that the US "added" 163,000 jobs in July from 133,082 last month? Consider this: the number was based on a non seasonally adjusted July number of 132,868. This was a 1.248 million drop from the June print. So how did the smoothing work out to make a real plunge into an "adjusted" rise? Simple: the BLS "added" 377K jobs for seasonal purposes. This was the largest seasonal addition in the past decade for a July NFP print in the past decade, possibly ever,

Got that? Zero would never politicize the BLS so this is all explainable, right?

Just exactly where did the BLS come up with that adjustment? Maybe there's a good reason but I'd like to know what it is. If they were seriously cooking the books I'm sure they would have found a way to lower the unemployment rate, so it may be innocent, but even if it is, is it competent?


Hmm, TC and an admitted dope have the same thought, looks like TC may need some seasonal adjustment himself. :)


Here you go Gmax, '1984' is a cookbook for them;



BTW, caught the tail end of a love fest between the brain dead Carl Quintanilla and the equally vacuous Hilda Solis, Labor Sec, gushing over the July numbers.
She did allow as how, despite how excellently excellent they were, that there was still a good deal of work to do, but that congress needed to do it.

Thomas Collins

I'm always in need of adjustment, Ignatz, whether or not the seasons change! But you already know that! :-)) I acknowledge that Durden's analysis seems odd on its face. I am hoping that some of the statmasters here will weigh in.


Thanks Narc. Everyone in your mind's eye, watch this little weasel from Quinny swirm and sweat and do the little sidestep in this excerpt :

HH: But I don’t know how that goes to the issue, Peter, so help me. I’m not being argumentative, I really want to know. Why would guys run a poll with nine percent more Democrats than Republicans when that percentage advantage, I mean, if you’re trying to tell people how the state is going to go, I don’t think this is particularly helpful, because you’ve oversampled Democrats, right?

PB: But we didn’t set out to oversample Democrats. We did our normal, random digit dial way of calling people. And there were, these are likely voters. They had to pass a screen. Because it’s a presidential year, it’s not a particularly heavy screen.

HH: And so if, in fact, you had gotten a hundred Democrats out of a hundred respondents that answered, would you think that poll was reliable?

PB: Probably not at 100 out of 100.

HH: Okay, so if it was 75 out of 100…

PB: Well, I mean…

HH: I mean, when does it become unreliable? You know you’ve just put your foot on the slope, so I’m going to push you down it. When does it become unreliable?

PB: Like the Supreme Court and pornography, you know it when you see it.

HH: Well, a lot of us look at a nine point advantage in Florida, and we say we know that to be the polling equivalent of pornography. Why am I wrong?

PB: Because what we found when we made the actual calls is this kind of party ID.

Because I say so. From one of the worst of a bad lot of University pollsters, who has a pronounced bias towards Democrats, never Republicans. Sheesh.


The unnamed source garbage that put me to bed early:


MC Obama sez "can't vet this"

Thomas Collins

Did Hilda weigh in on what the rate would have been if those who have given up looking for work are counted?

Yes, I know, that's a rhetorical question!


Obama dismisses 310,000 jobs added in 2004.

Hope Team Romney is on this.

Danube of Thought


A president’s Job Approval rating is one of the best indicators for assessing his chances of reelection. Typically, the president’s Job Approval rating on Election Day will be close to the share of the vote he receives. Currently, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's job performance. That matches the president’s lowest level of approval in 2012. Approval has been this low on seven days earlier in the year.

At least we're adding jobs. Time to remind the American public what a jobs report looked like under a Republican President.

Also time to remind them what it would look like under a Presidential nominee who wants to raise taxes on 98 percent of the population to pay for the tax cuts of the top 2 per cent. A Presidential nominee who is hiding his tax returns, stuffing his money in Swiss bank accounts and setting up dummy corporations in the caymans.


sorry...tax cuts for the top 2 percent...


You know I still remember him as the psychotic
Malthus loving drug kingpin from Wiseguy, so it's all good;



--Time to remind the American public what a jobs report looked like under a Republican President.--

See Sue's at 10:45, Daveyboy.

BTW if Mitt really does have a dummy corporation can't think of a more qualified CFO than you Inchworm.

Thomas Collins

Dublindave, you're uncanny. Your posts are now closer to the Dem line than any other poster I have encountered on JOM or anywhere else. I hope Axelmessplouffe is paying you for your efforts.


If the economy is, according to the statistics, slowing, I don't see that job growth will continue for much longer. This is of great concern.

In addition, we are now being hit by food inflation. Fed the family pizza last night and got walloped by a $35 bill for 1 large and 1 small pizza. It floored me. A month or two ago it was $10 less.


Right, I don't know if it's the Twist or the Watusi, but the price of milk, bread, everything is going up, or the dollar is going down,


Excellent column by George Neumayer at AmSpec on Barry's war on God.



I vote both.

laff trac

Dubbydave=Comedy Gold.

I loved his video at the chick fil a drive thru getting his free water.


Has anyone heard how the "kiss in" is doing?


Meanwhile, the counterparts to Zinni, Pillar, et al, keep lining up;



Sue: re the kiss-in, John Roberts this morning said the prime time for it would be Noon to 2 pm. and then, I think he said, around 8 pm again?


I guess, they'll do the correction, in the final hour, as they are buying the 'crop report'

Melinda Romanoff


This a better video, and no animals were hurt in this port-a-potty extravaganza.

Thomas Collins
"the Twist or the Watusi"

At this point, even if the economy were a heterosexual male, a Bibi Jones lapdance wouldn't stimulate it.

Melinda Romanoff


If the stimulus last for over four hours, you're supposed to call your physician.

That's why Keynesian economics never works.


No signs of it when I took Red to work (shot in shoulder yesterday made her prefer a chauffeur). But then ATL near Perimeter would make a poor choice.

She said CFA ran out of French Fries yesterday so I guess their stocks needed replenishing.

narciso-I enjoyed wiseguy. That relationship spacey played with his sister was TV at its most memorable.

Back to Kurtz' book to see how regionalism fits in. When he writes we don't know what the curriculum will look like in bo's 2nd term, I was tempted to write in margin "Oh yes we do." He makes a reference though to a report that remains up on the internet but somehow will not download fully anymore. Maybe the techies will tell me how that works. Is it now looking for a preapproved computer?


--John Roberts this morning said the prime time for it would be Noon to 2 pm. and then, I think he said, around 8 pm again?--

Did he say if I refuse to kiss a dude whether the government can tax me or not?


Whoa! Minus 23 in the Ras. It hasn't been that low since last November. All those gaffes by Romney, doncha' know.


Iggy - Nope! I still predict there will be more media staking out CFA today than kissers, and that we will hear all about it on the national news shows, unlike the day of appreciation.


I have a question for the assembled legal types.

If it can be shown that government officials were aware that what they were doing in subordinating taxpayers to private investors in Solyndra was a violation of law and stated practice, can those individuals be held personally accountable for the loss to the treasury?

Just asking, becasue this seems kind of significant:

Bombshell: Obama chief of staff Daley briefed on Solyndra concerns six months before bankruptcy

Second question. Is there a way a private citizen, or group of citizens could bring this to court for the Federal Government, rather than relying on the Dem staffed DoJ to do the job of protecting the American taxpayers from this type of corruption?

Danube of Thought

My love letter to Sara.

Melinda Romanoff


You know perfectly well that the Daleys are supposed to know everything right up until they can't recall.


The Blaze has been in contact with Adam Smith aka the CFA Jerk who was fired. Apparently they are going to post an interview they did with him in its entirety later, but for now they have a brief summary.

Interview With Adam Smith Fired CFO

I don't like hearing the accusation that he has had death threats and had to move from his home - it doesn't really sound like something most on the right do, more like a tactic of the left.


A bit of fun: homemade Olympics.
"NBC paid over $1 Billion to broadcast the London Olympics, the Wall Street Journal paid...less that that".
"We use puppets"


--The Blaze has been in contact with Adam Smith aka the CFA Jerk who was fired.--

To say that the comments section was less than sympathetic would be an understatement.

Carol Herman

We've been in a depression since 2007. And, other than the Feds printing money. And, keeping interest rates artificially low; there's been no growth. And, big ticket items, like new houses, and new cars, are in the dumps.

Decades, ahead, to boot.


Has Harry Reid denied he was in Dallas in November 1963?


For the record, if the guy was a good employee, I don't think I would have fired him for that stupidity, but I certainly would have disciplined him. Seems to me he could use about 100 hours of sensitivity training and diversity counseling.
Affirmative action and all the diversity reeducation crap would end instantly if Republicans ever had the nardz to compel creeps like this to sit through the same gawdawful crap about those they lecture and are intolerant of and discriminate against that they make the rest of humanity sit through.

Danube of Thought


This continues a trend set since the economic recovery officially started in June 2009. Sluggish job growth has failed to keep pace with population growth, creating an ever larger pool of people who either don't have jobs or have given up looking for one.

In fact, since June 2009, the number of people in the labor force has climbed just 283,000, while the number of people not in the labor force has exploded by 7.5 million.

These trends are unprecedented in previous economic recoveries, which typically showed strong growth in the nation's labor force as more people got jobs and more were encouraged to start looking.

Danube of Thought

Minus 23 at Raz today.

Trails Romney by 4.


LOL, Jim@12:14! That's the sort of coverage that would encourage me to follow sports.


Just exactly where did the BLS come up with that adjustment? Maybe there's a good reason but I'd like to know what it is.

I suspect it's innocent, but it adds a level of error to the whole thing. Basically every June the employment numbers jump, and then in July they fall off. So the June adjustment is negative, and they adjust the July number up, to reflect that. So the 163K number is relative to a typical July. But it's not a simple transparent calculation, and they don't adjust for things like weather as far as I know.


Some of the prev commenters have worried that conservatives could be attacked for participating in free speech.
I don't have links, but I know I've read on Kos and DU sites in the past of efforts to identify right posters and try to find personal info, then contact employers.
1) conservatives tend to not be nasty and don't have as much to be ashamed of
2) lefties seem to spend a bunch more time on personal vengeance than righties.

If you are worried about being attacked just for putting your head up--don't worry. it's already happening and will continue to happen.
The whole point of Alinsky tactics is to get in your face and attack you personally.
Toughen up and get used to fighting back, is the only advice I've come across that makes sense.


Minus 23 at Raz today.

Trails Romney by 4.

Not Doom.

Danube of Thought

Dems smelling the coffee, and discovering which side their butt is breadered on:

You wouldn't know it from the lack of media coverage, but the House of Representatives voted to block a tax increase on Wednesday with a big bipartisan majority. No fewer than 19 Democrats broke with Nancy Pelosi and voted with Republicans to extend the current rates on all taxpayers for another year.

The bill passed 256-171, despite heavy White House pressure on the Democratic back-benchers to toe the party line. Republicans lost only one Member, who as it happens is leaving Congress this year. Could it be that growth trumps envy on tax policy? Just asking.

At least a dozen of what we'll call the Romney 19 come from competitive districts. That includes Larry Kissel and Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Tim Bishop of New York, Ben Chandler of Kentucky, Jim Matheson in Utah, and Collin Peterson and Tim Walz of Minnesota. This was a vote for political survival for most of them.


The market is up 250. Is this because everyone's betting that Obama can't survive the 8.3% unemployment report?

hit and run

DoT quoting Rasmussen:
That matches the president’s lowest level of approval in 2012. Approval has been this low on seven days earlier in the year.

He's wrong. Today marks the 10th time Obama has been at 44% this year (I posted the details on the last thread, and made my own mistake in doing so).


Ig: "For the record, if the guy was a good employee..."
I guess we'll never know, but that occurred to me too. Maybe his attitude and personality have come out at other times and in other ways. Maybe Vente was glad-of/looking-for an excuse and seized on this episode.

Some guy

The irony of the Adam Smith/ChickFilA brouhaha is that if he'd behaved exactly the same except for one tiny little thing, he'd still be employed and his life would be just like it had been the day before.

Though I doubt he'll come to recognize that tiny moment as critical, it's worse for him because he doesn't have any real excuse for it. That one thing was deciding to push the virtual button and upload his video.

Think about it. He had all the time he would like to take stock of his drive-thru encounter, he even had the videotape to review at his convenience. He could have shown the video to his wife or a friend to get their opinion.

His actual encounter with the young woman can be papered over with all kinds of excuses... 'I was nervous' 'I meant to say such and such' 'I was only talking about management not her' etc. etc. But the decision to post the video, there are no excuses. He voluntarily, and with forethought, published his actions for the world to see.

A lesson for everyone on the power and risks of social nitworking.


From the Obama campaign:

"For the price of buying your friend a drink---pitch in $5 before midnight to help this campaign win: OFA.BO/olu8sg"

My question would be "Why donate to the Obama campaign ever, since it is already evident that they do not pay their campaign bills?" Secret Service Won't Repay City for Obama's Security Tab

Romney did pay for the security charges for the exact same city. Obama did not.

I bring this up because I'm in a bar at the moment. If I buy an extra beer for a buddy at $5 at this bar it goes through the free market system and winds up going into the pockets of the brewers, the working guys and girls who delivered that beer to me, and the folks who busted hump in bringing it to market.

But if I decided instead to give that $5 to Obama as asked for in his ad, his track record shows that he does not honor his debts, so the money does not go into the pockets of the lower and middle class folks doing the real lifting in this economy, and therefore to donate to Obama is to actually decrease positive economic input into the economy because cheapskate Obama does not pay his bills.

Just thought it was worth mentioning that it would be more positive to the economy to buy another round than it would be to donate to the Obama Campaign.

San Miguel Pilsner.


--Not Doom.--



--That one thing was deciding to push the virtual button and upload his video.--

Which is what makes me wonder as JimMtnViewCA does, just exactly what kind of a dork this guy has been forever.
A guy with judgement that bad probably shouldn't be trusted with corporate numbers, or pointy scissors for that matter.


Secret Service Won't Repay City for Obama's Security Tab

I hope other cities are taking note, and refuse to provide any security services for Barry's fundraising appearances. Or ask for payment upfront.

hit and run

But if I decided instead to give that $5 to Obama as asked for in his ad, his track record shows that he does not honor his debts, so the money does not go into the pockets of the lower and middle class folks doing the real lifting in this economy

You would be helping to pay David Axelrod's salary, helping to pay for the equipment to produce a campaign ad claiming Romney kills jobs with his bare hands, helping to pay for time on local media in a battleground state, and probably helping to pay for some giant styrofoam columns.

Surely some of that would trickle down.

And help slow the rise of the oceans.

Some guy

if I decided instead to give that $5 to Obama

He'd spend $15


"I don't like hearing the accusation that he has had death threats and had to move from his home"

He's making sh*t up to try to get sympathy. He is a grade A douche. If he had to move it was more likely due to foreclosure (based on another amsmith post someone found online from 2009). His resume is loaded with BS. F him.

After all of these idiots get nabbed for stupid acts they post to youtube, facebook, twitter, you'd think people would learn.

Like Baretta said, "don't do the crime, if you can't do the time....don't do it, keep your eyeeeeeee, eyeeeeee on the sparrow...do do do". Well he didn't really say that, it was the theme song and for this post you can ignore the part after "do the time..."

If Adam Douche Smith thinks he has it bad, he should move in with George Zimmerman.


Like the prisoners at Shawshank, beer is too valuable to give away, or to provide in kind value, we're following Blutowski's advice to Flounder anyways.

hit and run

I'm drinking Titos this weekend anyway. I spent all my beer money at Chick-fil-A.


Some one who wishes he had taken Blutowski's advice;



Just got back from an Americans For Prosperity rally. Hands off my Healthcare. Maybe 3 or 4 hundred people. The speakers were really good though...the AFP guy & the Concerned Women for America spokeswoman were great. It was hotter 'n blazes out today.


Some Guy,

It is presumptuous for anyone to here to say welcome aboard, but welcome aboard:)


Harry Reid Calls Romney “The Most Secretive Presidential Candidate Since Richard Nixon”…

Talk about accusing the other guy of what YOUR guy is guilty of!! Obama's whole life narrative is a sketchy, made-up mess & the Dems are giving Romney a hard time? Unbelievable.


It doesn't sound like Harry likes Mormons very much.
Do Latter Day Saints have self-loathers like Jews?
Of course if Dingy Harry doesn't loath himself then one has to really start wondering what's wrong with him.

BTW am I the only one who reads Dingy Harry with both a soft and hard "g"?


Sue, Here is some pre-"kiss-in" property damage -

Chick-Fil-A Restaurant Vandalized With “Tastes Like Hate” Graffiti Hours Before LGBT “Kiss-In”…


Janet: Always destructive - THE LEFT - no matter what the issue.


I am going to assume the kiss in fell flat because I'm not seeing much coverage of it.


"Just thought it was worth mentioning that it would be more positive to the economy to buy another round than it would be to donate to the Obama Campaign."

The least positive thing one can do with $5 in America today, IMO, would be to donate to the Obama Campaign.


--Chick-Fil-A Restaurant Vandalized With “Tastes Like Hate” Graffiti Hours Before LGBT “Kiss-In”…--

I've heard everything from alligator to rattlesnake described as 'tastes like chicken' but 'hate' tasting like it is a first for me.

Unless they meant their boy or girl friend's pierced tongue in which case I'll take them at their word and will neither argue the point nor ask for physical confirmation.


Well, I am now about half way done with Kurtz's book and I remain very glad that regional Tsplost failed in the Atl area. I knew from attending some planning meetings that the legislature had put in that any regions passing TSplost would then only come up with 10% and state would match 90%. The hope was to get to the 50 + 1 and bind everyone with the inner city Metro vote. That didn't happen for a variety of reasons. And now that penalty is coming to light that locals must pay 30% of costs as a penalty. Except it is all metro ATL being penalized.

That's a lot of voters angry at their legislators for trying to force voters to do what they wanted.


Sue: The Blaze has a copy of the LGBT poster announcing the kiss-in. The times shown are 8pm Eastern; 7pm Central; 5pm Pacific.

So it sounds like things won't happen until later, if indeed, anything happens.


--The least positive thing one can do with $5 in America today, IMO, would be to donate to the Obama Campaign.--

That raises the question of what the best thing we can do for America. It's simple really;
Go on unemployment and get on the food stamp rolls.
That the members of a party that holds such insane views don't have to hide in flop houses and storm drains to avoid the guys with the nets shows just how far down the storm drain we already are.


I have not had a chance to double check this but a commenter over at The Corner had this comment to the Jonah post regarding the embarrassing interview that Quinny had. He tells Hewitt we have to go with the sample yielded and then adjusts the sample received in Florida significantly upward? Ay dios Mio:

The thing with Q-Pac which was particularly disturbing, and the question Hugh Hewitt should have asked is WHY DID YOU APPLY AN INCREASED WEIGHT ON THE DEMOCRAT SAMPLE IN FLORIDA? If you look at the poll, the actual respondents were +3 Democrat, which was roughly inline with 2008...the pollster could have stopped there, would have indicated a tie and thus been inline with most other polls. No, what QPAC did was arbitrarily weight the sample more heavily towards Democrats. In other words at the POLLSTER'S DISCRETION HE ADDED 6 POINTS! Now this is not in of itself a bad thing. As you try to achieve a representative sample of voters sometimes you need to do this. Given the complexity of the US electorate in general, its tough to get a sample that hits everything right. Reaching certain type of voters may be harder than others, but reaching a voter and the voters voting activity may not correspond (one issue is the cell phone). So the practice in of itself is not wrong.


Oh, okay.

Thomas Collins

Interesting strategy by Axelmessplouffe using Harry Reid as the attack dog. Clearly Harry is not exactly an articulate, photogenic figure. I think Harry is simply being used as an excuse for MSM to report on his outrageous statements. Harry's status as Senate Majority Leader (soon to become Senate Minority Leader) is most likely secure.

Plus, I think when Axelmessplouffe plays the Mormon card, Harry is good to have around so MSM can parrot the line that the Obama Campaign is not anti-Mormom, it's just that Romney wants to impose his religious beliefs on Sandra Fluke.


So Gmax, if the guy in NRO is correct, this;

PB: Because what we found when we made the actual calls is this kind of party ID.

was a baldfaced lie by the Quini creep.


Jay Cost on Barry's ads in swing states.
Q.Have they had any effect?
A. Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't much matter at this point.

Some guy

I was speaking with a casino investor, and he tells me that Sen. Harry Reid has been taking bribes from Nevada casinos for over a dozen years.

Now, I don't know whether what this fellow tells me is true, but I think the only way to for Sen. Reid to set the record straight would be for him to release all of his banking and personal finance records for the last 20 years.

Captain Hate

Do you think anything could make you hate the MFM more than you already do? Try this http://minx.cc/?post=331615


I told ya Captain, there would be more MFM than kissers, and to have the cops called on the MFM and NOT the kissers is just rich!

All those (us) folks who bought CFA food are keeping an eye the MFM too, don't forget.

Thomas Collins

Great, Some guy. Now that I've heard it from you, I can repeat it. And, by Harry's own standard, the burden is on him to disprove the charge.

But don't worry, Some guy, I won't violate your anonymity. I'll just say some guy told me! :-))


Wasn't there some notorious incident a few years back where a journalist was actively participating in a protest/riot that he was supposed to be just covering? I wish I had half of narciso's memory capacity.


Adam Smith forgot the Proverbs verse and also shows no familiarity with the numerous Biblical verses re sowing-and-reaping. I'm among those who believe Vante was delighted to bid Smith adieu; ditto UA since in their press release they added (non-tenure eligible) to their description of his brief and non-renewed lecture gig. Smith bemoaning his lack of privacy now after ignoring young C-f-A Rachel's stated discomfort at being filmed, and then putting her on YouTube, is chutzpah to the nth.


Obama + C-f-A saga =


I think they call it, the 'Greenhouse effect', after Linda Greenhouse of the Times, who covered pro choice rallies, there are other examples,



That is exactly why I have no sympathy for him. He filmed her and put her on youtube without her permission and when she clearly stated she wasn't comfortable being filmed. Screw him.


My son in law worked for Chick-Fil-A while going to college. They provide scholarships (or did when he was working there). I would imagine the young lady at the window barely made above minimum wage. And the CFO didn't even ask for the manager to voice his protest but chose instead to berate the young lady working the drive thru window. Screw him, if I didn't say it enough earlier.

hit and run

“We’ve still got too many folks out there who are looking for work.”

--stuff Obama said

"The U-3 is too damn high, and I know how to fix it." --stuff Obama (almost) said

East Bay Jay

That video is almost 'self spoofing' but if you wanted to spoof it, by say that website that comedians like Will Farrell post at, it could be really funny. But the odds are close to zero of that happening given the politics. We'll probably have to settle for the Korean robots.


Harry Reid led a Congressional delegation to macau in the past 18 months was they tried to keep completely under the radar.

What happens in Macau happens a lot more than happens in Vegas these days. I'm sure Harry had his pick of catamites.


"We'll probably have to settle for the Korean robots."
Sure, but someday we'll be BIG TIME...and get North Korean traffic ladies.


Actually the Taiwanese animators, is who you're thinking off.


MOTUS has outdone herself.
Swallow before reading

Some guy

Do you know what sucks?

No, besides him...

That nice gal in the Adam Smith/CFA video is probably the type of person who now feels very badly for Smith and his family.

So he makes her feel bad not just once, but twice.


Hit, I end this week's column with that post of yours from the other thread. What's wrong with it?

bio mom

Update. The American dressage team has advanced to the Grand Prix next Tuesday. Includes Rafalca. They are in 5th place. The top 7 teams advance.

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