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August 11, 2012

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jimmyk

Narc, is circular logic anything like a circular firing squad?

centralcal

The name Sununu is made up of an S -- and then an n turned upside down, then right side up, then upside down, the right side up, then upside down.

Oh, golly, Hit - I got motion sick just reading that!

Ignatz

--Sununu is the classic bastard when he's on the other team (primaries) but absolute gem when he's on yours (general election).--

Very true and I'd even go beyond that and say he's a bit of a bastard even when he's on your own team if he's governing.
His sole job should always be attack dog against the Dems because he tends not to care who he bites, having been a real junkyard PITA to any Republicans who objected to the hash GHWB made of his presidency.

sailor

Easy choice for you and me, Jane. But, I think a majority of Americans these days, sadly, are "stupid puppets with their hands out."

Jane - talk is cheap!

George Will is worth reading today.

hit and run

jimmyk:
Premise 2: Ryan's the best person for the job.
Therefore, Romney must think he's winning, bases choice on competence rather than vote impact.

That was my first instinct yesterday - Romney chose who he wanted in office, rather than choosing the person he thought would deliver a swing state for the election.

Maybe Ryan helps deliver Wisconsin -- but Romney had choices in VA and FL that could have shored up states that are much more "battleground". If Romney is going after Wisconsin with Ryan, then he obviously thinks VA and FL don't need a VP pick to deliver them.

But either way, I think he just selected the best choice for VP once in office.

Jane - talk is cheap!

But, I think a majority of Americans these days, sadly, are "stupid puppets with their hands out."

I don't. But we shall see.

hit and run

Ignatz:
Very true and I'd even go beyond that and say he's a bit of a bastard even when he's on your own team if he's governing.

Agreed. There are a great many examples of the very same thing in sports.

OldTimer

You can't fix stoopid! The Dems are going for an encore....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/dem-group-releases-new-toss-granny-off-a-cliff-anti-romney-smear-ad-video/

Ignatz

--Agreed. There are a great many examples of the very same thing in sports.--

Hit, you're talking to a Raiders fan, a team almost entirely made up of bastards over the years, even if many were fairly good natured bastards.

mockmook

My guess is that if Romney needed a VP to secure VA or FL, then the election is lost anyway (and Romney knew that).

WI is gettable and could be decisive; apparently, Ryan will help take WI.

NJ Jan

CC,
I also agree. I never had a very favorable opinion of Sununnu (SC recommendation, etc.), but he has been an excellent surrogate. Surprisingly, Newt also was this morning.

Bob Schieffer will be doing a joint interview with Romney and Ryan tonight at 7 Edt. Normally, I don't bother with these shows, but I'm interested in seeing how they handle it. Living inNJ, many of my friends get their information from mainstream shows and it is helpful to hear what "information" they are basing their opinions on.

Rick Ballard

"how many of the feelers do you think are the ones with pretty good academic and professional job credentials?"

TC,

Not many. Members of the educracy vote like government union (as opposed to private sector union) workers. When you read the demographic split on post-graduate support of BOzo, you have to remember the cohort contains all holders of teaching credentials - government union members. Feelers fall more heavily into the Redbook/Good House Keeping reader demographic.

The viciousness of the BOzo campaign is cutting and will continue to cut into his feeler support.

The "new flavor" of idiocy is going to be the supposed efficacy of the third rail "put the skeer in the geezers" tactic. It won't work due to absence of the Yellow Dogs, whose departure from this vale of tears means they only continue to vote in only the bluest of Blue Hells. BOzo's current approval among the 65+ cohort stands at 42% versus his 51% share at election. It's not going to improve due to Ryan being on the GOP ticket.

matt

The Egyptian power struggle just got real. Morsi has sacked the defense minister and several top generals. That makes it the heads of the AF, Navy, intelligence service, Army, and the overall commander. Pretty much a clean sweep.

The military has been the bulwark of what passed for the more secular part of the state. I think Hillary just pee'd her pantsuit.

Ignatz

--But, I think a majority of Americans these days, sadly, are "stupid puppets with their hands out.--

I see the calculus slightly differently. I think the equation is are there more people who think they or their loved ones will one day come out ahead on some government program or will they or their loved ones do better with a free economy where people can prosper on their own?
I don't know what the answer is; I was never very good at calculus.

Sara

Sara, do you think obamacare should be "replaced?"

I think that there are things that need to be done to make health care more affordable and health insurance more available. I think that Romney wants it at the state level and the feds to get out of the way. The prohibition about buying across state lines, tort reform, etc. I like the no preexisting conditions being scrapped, because insurance companies have used it to deny coverage even when one problem has nothing to do with a subsequent problem. For instance, I had to fight to get my first knee surgery covered because I had previously broken my leg. It was a hassle, but not hard to get their original ruling overturned when it was pointed out that it was a different leg.

But, TK, first things first. Romney will start the ball rolling on repeal, which will have to come from Congress and he has said that if he has to, he'll do an EO in his first hour in office to waive everyone from Obamacare. After that, I think he has several more important matters to deal with before it ever gets around to "replacing" anything. Romney's primary focus is jobs and the deficit, not health insurance.

narciso

It's much of the same parallel with Iran, sadly, on roughly the same schedule, I don't know if such a decision would hold up with the Supreme Court, but there's no guarantee that would be binding,

Jim Eagle

Walter Brennan in the Guns of Will Sonnet (a little known but great TV show of yesteryear) "Not brag just fact."

GMax,

IIRC, it was "The Real McCoys" where Brennan used the expression "it ain't bragging if its a fact". But I could be wrong. It was so long ago. I think that show was bookended by Our Miss Brooks and Mr. Peepers or maybe it was Henry Aldrich (Coming Mother:).

Sara

I'm pretty sure the Tiger Cruises are just for the kids of the crew.

My experience is more than 20 years ago, but back then, it was male relatives between the ages of 8 and 99. I know that on the two my son went on, there were many older guys, uncles, grandpas, dads, who had served in the Navy or wanted to. One of the Cruises was on the Dixie, which at that time was the oldest ship in the Navy, commissioned in 1938 and I remember my husband telling me that they had a couple of the original crew on the Cruise as guests of their grandsons. I always thought that was neat.

GMax

JiB you are correct, you could be wrong. It was Guns of Will Sonnett. He would describe his missing son as fast but his grandson was faster, and of course he was faster than either of them. Not brag just fact.

Google it.

Frau Republik

To me, Romneyy and Ryan = Restore the Republic

Attention libs, when the dream turns to a nightmare, it's time to wake up.

Clarice

Instapundit keeps linking to blogs showing lines around the block to meet the RR team

Frau Republik

Romney with one "y" and no whistles or stammers.

Sara, your remarks about dating and Mitt upthread resonate more with a female. Remember, DoT said TK has a beard.

Boy, was I jealous of the girl from my high school who later drove the first VW I ever saw in Long Beach. Of course, my family never had a car until my brother bought an old 1940 Ford which he drove to UCLA back in the days when the CA universities were available to those with the grades and not the cash for private schools. (Gee, that sentence is closing in on the one posted here yesterday. I guess I have potential. heh!)

Jim Eagle

Romney's primary focus is jobs and the deficit, not health insurance.

Unfortunately, the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. Why?

Because of s**t like this is still going on - couple it with Iran's rush to nukes, China's tendencies and Russia's reality.

It is the snake in the wood pile - National Security and Foreign Policy and it tends to screw up domestic priorities.

GMax

Judging by the various pics I am finding of High Point NC, Zero can forget about carrying NC this go around. I am sure in August it was not cool standing in line for that. One more log for the enthusiasm fire.

rse

Jane-I liked your comment at the page turn. I get frustrated when the terms innovation and entrepreneur get dropped into documents calling for uniform mediocrity of generic skills. I have pointed that out and caused some Pinocchio sorts who aren't used to someone pointing out the term is being used counterintuitively.

Finally I said point blank that entrepreneur and innovation actually do not mean better designed govt and public policies which is how they are being used.

Somehow a little research turned into a lot so it will have to be good afternoon.

I have discovered something new. It is easier to access controversial material about someone if you start of with the place name of a different country and then the person's name. The search engines seem to assume you are an admirer and it shows up on page 1.

Having found it you can do a well designed search and still not find it.

Fascinating says the amateur just learning to code.

Now I get to read the Pieces.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

rse, I didn't post yesterday's immediate, predictable negative response from the president of the NEA. Why dirty the site?

MarkO

Casey Stengel said: "I don't care that he's a good guy. Get me a juvenile delinquent that can hit."

Sara

Ryan on "The Path to Prosperity" Saving Medicare..

Soylent Red

I think Hillary just pee'd her pantsuit.

Hillarity! was counting on the military to be the pressure valve for Egypt, via coup, much like what a lot of pointed heads perceive in Pakistan.

The idea of bringing her up as Vice President is as laughable as it is frightening.

Obama and Hillary have done for Egypt and North Africa what Carter did for Iran. And if people don't think Israel is taking notice (not to mention their lobby and supporters in the US), you'd better guess again.

Sara

National Security and Foreign Policy and it tends to screw up domestic priorities.

I am of the mind that Romney thinks the deficit is a national security issue. As do I. You?

GMax

The Patton movie has one of my favorite all time lines in a flick. Patton takes over a command walks into the HQ and nearly stumbles over a soldier on the ground. Flustered soldier realizes brass in the room, snaps to attention while General Patton barks at the soldier: "What the hell are you doing down there, soldier?" "Trying to get some sleep, Sir." Comes the earnest reply. "Well get back down there son, you seem to be the only person in this place that knows what the hell they are doing."

That is my perception of Paul Ryan in DC, the only person who knows what the hell he is doing.

Soylent Red

I am of the mind that Romney thinks the deficit is a national security issue.

I am of the mind that it is about time we elect a President who knows how to keep more than one ball in the air at a time.

Anybody remember how Reagan focused solely on the economy, and then faced down the USSR? Yeah...me neither.

matt

These days Tiger Cruises are coed adventures for family and friends. You get to sleep in the same bunks your host sleeps in, which is pretty intense if you're claustrophobic. There are plenty of photos posted on Facebook on various ship sites and elsewhere.

Sara


Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among … seniors

new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan‘s plan to deal with the budget – seniors.

The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan’s plan over President Obama‘s plan, while 42 percent back the president.

That’s the highest total among the age groups tested – a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.

Jim Eagle

Sara,

It is a national security issue as is the overall economy - a prosperous USA is a secure and safe USA. But deficit solutions don't fly airplanes into buildings or design nuclear grade weapons or exterminate countries.

My point is that you can start the ball rolling on a critical domestic issue and get seriously sidelined by something blowing up in a important part of the world. And Soylent is right to have an executive that can chew gum and rub his tummy at the same time.

I don't know of to many battle plans, project schedules, or political policy plans that ever survived the first little change out of nowhere. It will be Romney's approach to contingency planning that I would like to see and know.

Danube of Thought

Wonder what the respondents imagined "Obama's plan" was.

As I recall Dixie was a destroyer tender--right?

Danube of Thought

"The referendum of this election is whether Americans are stupid puppets with their hands out, or liberty loving entrepreneurs intent on greatness."

It's the parasites vs. the host, and the outcome is far from clear.

maryrose

Clarice:
What an excellent "Pieces"!You really knocked it out of the park today. I loved the new word"luftmencsh". It so fits that poseur,Obama.
Hit: I'm glad your family is returning Monday. Underneath the jokes ,you sound lonely from missing them.

Clarice

Thanks, Maryrose. Yup, it's clear Hit is very lonely for Mrs H & R and the H & R menagerie.

centralcal

NJ Jan: I won't be watching 60 Minutes tonight, so I hope tomorrow morning (or overnight) you can report back to us.

I completely boycott all alphabet media (don't want to add one scintilla to their ratings), but I do see a lot of their propaganda via video clips on the internet. :)

Sara

As I recall Dixie was a destroyer tender--right?

Yes, you recall correctly. My husband had the pleasure (ugh) of going from the oldest ship in the Navy, (the Dixie), to the oldest ship in the Navy, (the Prairie). As the Repair Officer, he used the word pleasure sarcastically, especially when their favorite destination seemed to always be Diego Garcia.

I have the decommissioning flag for the Dixie, presented to my husband in a shadow box. And when he realized that no one else was going to claim the ship's bell, it miraculously showed up on his "I love me" wall in our family room.

rse

DOT-I think a good start would be a better appreciation for which jobs add value and which ones are parasitical.

I am working on the ramifications of the urban school districts and the claim that there is no need to reform them. First we need to change America fundamentally to obtain economic justice. If the broken urban schools become the basis for the socialist revolution you can see the incentives were never to teach reading properly.

Anyway the prof tries to argue that teaching the kids properly will do no good because there are no available jobs foe even high achievers.

A world where high achievers create their own jobs by being bright and knowledgeable and astute to needed opportunities and just hustling appears to be beyond the tenured former red diaper baby.

Such perverse incentives. And then to be equitable you then have to gut suburbs which is exactly what is going on in Fulton. We get APS dysfunction and we are apparently not supposed to notice how it will make it easier to merge the systems.

I came to post Todd Zywicki's fine piece on the abomination called CFPB.

http://libertylawsite.org/2012/08/10/the-revenge-of-richard-nixon-the-consumer-financial-protection-bureau-spreads-its-tentacles/

Frau Struwelpeter

To put a luftmensh in the WH, there had to be a considerable number of Hans-Guck-in-die-Luft creatures to vote for him. Those are useful idiots who don't look where they are headed and end up in big trouble.

NJ Jan

Cc,

I will try to report on Schieffer interview tonight. I babysit my grandkids on Mondays (3 year old and 8 months) and they keep me busy every minute I'm there.

Clarice

This is probably a good thing to clip and save when talking to the left side of your family and friends..and definitely it should be part of Jane's quiver.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/11/why-the-democrats-mediscare-attack-wont-work-against-paul-ryan/

Jane - talk is cheap!

Is it Schieffer on 60 minutes or are they 2 different things?

Sara

I'm with this guy:

william L ‏@Campbellwil

#VotingForObamaBidenIsLike giving a tip to the waiter you just saw spit on your burger

Danube of Thought

Sara, I remember Dixie, Prairie and Piedmont; my dad commanded Piedmont for a while. It was a requirement then that you had to have had a "deep draft" command to be eligible for selection to flag rank and that was how he checked that box. This was in 1956 or 57.

centralcal

Aw, how fun NJ Jan - babysitting, not watching Schieffer! I remember and rather miss those days. All but one of my grandchildren are in varying stages of grown up.

I will be on the lookout for your report and may not see it till early Monday morning, depending on how my own evening goes.

hit and run

maryrose:
Hit: I'm glad your family is returning Monday. Underneath the jokes ,you sound lonely from missing them.

You are quite right. To bolster your point: in years past JOM has kept me sane whilst they were gone, this year JOM has let me down. I am now quite insane.

That's a joke.

Not that I'm insane, that JOM has let me down.

The former is true, the latter is hogwash.

Frau Struwelpeter

Clarice-
Great article and good comments at American Thinker. I just made a hard copy of the Forbes article. My husband had made similar comments this morning between bites of breakfast. I'll send links to my family and friends.

btw My German-born now U.S. citizen b-i-l includes your Pieces to his online reading.

hit and run

centralcal:
I completely boycott all alphabet media (don't want to add one scintilla to their ratings)

Just wondering, how do you think ratings are obtained?

GMax

Third day in row that Gallup finds Zero approval at 43%. Think like Double Douche that stupid lying liar commercial was a good idea? LOL

BTW, Gallup has up a video where an editor for Gallup and once for USA Today discuss the polling. In it they both admit:

The Republicans have a enthusiasm to vote way higher than Democrats and that is significant because it was the other way in 2004 and 2008

They also admit that there is a "hidden advantage" ( their words not mine ) for Romney in that the polling is not using likely voters and when they switch it will likely show advantage Romney

And finally they also both admit that there is a very tight correlation between job approval and the votes an incumbent President gets.

The blowout is hiding in plain sight. Just got to know where to look.

rse

Frau-please do not show that picture to my children. Switch it to dark curly hair and that could be me when I am musing about something.

hit and run

Clarice:
Instapundit keeps linking to blogs showing lines around the block to meet the RR team

Having been unable to attend the High Point appearance today, I am quite heartened to see those reports and pics.

Here's legalinsurrection's post on NC appearances today

I really, really wonder if DebinNC went to the Mooresville appearance today. I really, really hope she checks in. If I could have coordinated a meetup with her in Mooresville, I would have dropped . . . everything.

Clarice

Frau, how lovely to hear that! And your b-i-l hasn't even tasted your tomato tart yet, has he?

Ignatz

Spice Girls [they're still girls?] will anchor the closing ceremonies ensuring I will have seen less of this Olympics than any other.
Bad enough when you have to wade through canoe sprints and hula hoops to hope you can find somebody running on a track or tossing something, but I draw the line at watching plump [or emaciated] middle aged broads calling themselves girls lip synching off key [quite a feat] with no hope of anyone tossing a javelin or hammer anywhere near them.

Sara

DOT: I couldn't remember if it was '81 or '82 that we left the Dixie for the Prairie, so I looked up the decommissioning date and found the following:

On 15 June 1982, USS DIXIE (AD-14) was decommissioned at Naval Station, San Diego after 42 years and 51 days of active continuous naval service. The ceremony, which was held on the Focs’le, was attended by military and civilian guests, and included many of the “Grand Old Lady’s” crew who were aboard for her commissioning on 25 April 1940. The guest speaker was VADM Lee Baggett, Jr., Commander Naval Surface Force U.S. Pacific Fleet, who recounted DIXIE’s proud history, and the accomplishments of the crewmen assigned throughout the year.

Following the somber occasion of final lowering of the national colors, the distinctive First Navy Jack (DON’T TREAD ON ME) was passed to DIXIE’s younger sister, USS PRAIRIE (AD-15), who then became the oldest Navy ship on active continuous service. The ship’s log was closed with a last simple entry noting the time of day, and a great ship passed into history.

USS DIXIE (AD-14) was commanded by Captain Roger L. Coffey, U.S. Navy on her final day of service to our great Navy.

My husband left the Prairie in late '84 when we were transferred to Charleston, SC. They presented him with that Gadsen flag at that time. At least I think it was that one. I remember it was a pretty big deal for him and it was the first time I saw my husband fighting being overcome by emotion in such a public place.

I may have told this before, but about a dozen years ago, I blew a spark plug on my car about 25 miles East of Tulsa in the middle of nowhere. A young Dad with his son pulled up behind me to readjust the load they had in their p.u. truck. Since it was a father and son, I took the risk of walking back to their vehicle to ask for help and I noticed they had the OB seagull sticker on the wing window. So I asked him if he was from SD and learned that he lived in SD only while in the Navy. In the mean time, I had reached my husband at work back in Indiana and I put him on the phone with the young Dad. Next thing I hear is this stranger going on and on about "hell yeah, remember when so and so, did such and such" and I'm standing there stranded while the two of them carried on about a 10 min. conversation. Turns out that this guy, in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma, had worked for my husband for two years on the Prairie.

GMax

Mrs David Beckham is going to entertain at the closing ceremonies? I suppose someone had to fill the hole that Amy Winehouse left...

Jane - talk is cheap!

What the hell is going on in the Olympics? I've never seen anything like it before.

Ignatz

Does anyone mind that none of the Veep or presidential candidates of the major parties has ever served?
Every time I start to think it's important I remember that Ron Dellums was a decorated Marine and I retreat back into sanguinity.

hit and run

Sara, I love that story -- and don't remember you telling it before. Thanks for sharing it.

Sorry to laugh at your expense, but that was high-larious.

Ignatz

--I suppose someone had to fill the hole that Amy Winehouse left...

Posted by: GMax | August 12, 2012 at 02:59 PM --

Where's Captain Hate when we need him?

Soylent Red

--I suppose someone had to fill the hole that Amy Winehouse left...

Even when she was alive that was an enormous hole to fill.

NJ Jan

JANE,was promoted on Face theNation this am. I do not know if it is part of 60 minutes or replacing it. I looked at FIOS program guide and it is showing originally scheduled 60 minute topic concerning unemployment. FIOS tends not to update programming. I also read that Schieffer got the first MSM interview. It starts at 7 Edt.

hit and run

Ignatz:
Where's Captain Hate when we need him?

Oh no you di'int.

Centralcal also was asking about Captain Hate this morning. I am assuming that since he was at Clarice's on Friday for the JOM lunch, he is still on his adventure back to Ahia from DC/Maryland.

sailor

Well, NJ Jan, I guess R&R are doing that to either prove they can handle the MSM and their bias or to be "fair." We know Schieffer hates Republicans.

Sara

with no hope of anyone tossing a javelin or hammer

Ig:

It is a good thing the Olympics offers something for everyone. I have never understood where the sport is in throwing a javelin or a discus compared to the skill sports of diving or gymnastics.

Speaking of which, congratulations to David Boudia, who became the United States’ first male diver to win an individual Olympic gold medal since Louganis won in Seoul in 1988. He had with a near perfect two-and-a-half somersault with two-and-a-half twists in the pike position off the platform.

There is nothing in track and field that even comes close.

DrJ

wade through canoe sprints

I'll agree and disagree here.

I love love love the K1, C1 and C2 events (slalom single-seat kayak and canoe and two-seat canoe) and downriver (is this an Olympic event?). As far as I can tell none of these were shown.

The sprints? Not so much, but better than nothing.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Can Debbie WS be impeached? I'm so sick of looking at her greasy hair and ugly face.

sailor

Sara, I'm not sure what audience the Hula Hoop Competition is aiming for--and also the flowing wands?

Ignatz

--I have never understood where the sport is in throwing a javelin or a discus compared to the skill sports of diving or gymnastics.--

Having a bit of experience trying to do both of the former it did seem to me that there was just a bit of skill involved. The mechanics of both are quite complex, the discus especially being close to impossible to perfect.

Besides who ever won a war by falling off a balance beam as opposed to, say, chucking a spear?

NJ Jan

Sailor,
Don't they all. Ryan has made the rounds on the "news" shows and knows this. In the past, he has handled them quite well.

centralcal

Just wondering, how do you think ratings are obtained?

Not sure I really understand the question, Hit :(

Nielson ratings? Which count or tally somehow those who watch. I don't think they count those who do not watch. So I contribute to a lack of ratings results? Is that what you are getting at? Sorry, if I am kind of dense today.

Danube of Thought

Great story, Sara. I believe Piedmont was AD 7. Lee Baggett was my C.O. for a very brief time aboard USS Decatur (DDG 31).

Gmax, where may one find that video?

Sara

Does anyone mind that none of the Veep or presidential candidates of the major parties has ever served?

Mind? Not really, but I was bothered for awhile until I saw how much Romney admires those who serve(d) and how important he believes the military to be. He never fails to recognize the service people who show up at his rallies. And I believe he understands how important it is to keep our military readiness at its peak performance level.

I cringe when I see Obama pretend in front of the service members. Romney has genuine admiration for everyone who serves or has served.

hit and run

Sara:
I have never understood where the sport is in throwing a javelin or a discus compared to the skill sports of diving or gymnastics.

I think one distinction is that you have one sport where distance is objectively measurable vs one where the (let's just go full narciso here) East German judge gets to decide the outcome.

Diving and gymnastics competitions are completely subjective, to be decided by an elite few -- not above succumbing to corruption.

Why not go full American Idol style and let all viewers judge the result?

Ignatz

--The sprints? Not so much, but better than nothing.--

Yeah, I don't mind em too much myself but was slogging through the schedule yesterday and there seemed to be about 200 canoe heats.

centralcal

You know, Jane. I have never thought Debbie's hair looked greasy. I think it looks crunchy. Like lots and lots of hair product was massaged in, sprayed on, and then more spritz for good measure.

It looks like if you grabbed some of, it would break like sticky brittle.

Ignatz

--You know, Jane. I have never thought Debbie's hair looked greasy. I think it looks crunchy.--

Yeah cc, it's almost like she has a crust on herself.

hit and run

Centralcal:
Not sure I really understand the question, Hit :(

The question is -- do you think if you tuned into an alphabet show, their ratings would be increased.

I abstain from all sorts of television because I prefer not to throw up in my mouth.

But my refusal to watch them has absolutely nothing to do with their ratings. My watching them (if I was bulemic and used them to throw up) wouldn't influence their ratings either.

xbradtc

There is nothing in track and field that even comes close.

So gravity worked again?

I like both areas of sport.

But it's not like choosing between vanilla and chocolate ice cream.

It's like having ice cream one day, and pie the next.

Soylent Red

I have never understood where the sport is in throwing a javelin or a discus compared to the skill sports of diving or gymnastics.

Just in case you were serious in this remark, these are two of the original Olympic events. Original as in 776 B.C. The Olympic games were originally a demonstration of martial skills through various sports designed to simulate certain actions necessary on the battlefield of the day (primarily broken phalanx, individual actions). Things like hurling a javelin, whipping your hoplon at him from afar (discus) or chucking a big f*cking rock at someone's head (shot put).

And in case anyone was wondering, Greek warriors did not compete in handball, rhythmic gymnastics, or BMX cycling.

LUN

centralcal

Okay, humor me a little, Hit.

Ratings are nothing more than a count of who watches a particular program at a particular hour - based on some complicated Nielson "rating," which I gather is kinda sorta like political polling and probably as accurate (snort). (Many years ago my house was a Nielson family for a period of time and it was a pain in the butt filling out the danged diary.)

Frequently, you will see a rating tally that will say XYZ show "scratched" - meaning no one, or at least not enough watched to rate it.

Advertising and the amounts paid for those slots are based on ratings - the more the better, especially in the prime demographic. The fewer eyeballs, the fewer ad sales, the less likely the show stays on the air.

Now, I hate math - so please tell me where I am getting this wrong, but no math. Okay:)

Frau Gartenspinne

Clarice, my b-i-l has tasted our tomatoes often but not the (your) tomato tart. Soon, if he's lucky.

My husband just found the largest golden orb spider we've ever had in the yard. It looks big enough to saddle and ride! Online I found a golden cape woven from the silk from these creatures. Who knew?

narciso

Well as a general rule I avoid 60 minutes, except say when Joe Rodriguez was on, and I had already seen the excerpts on RightScoop,
that was when Lesley Stahl, bless her heart,
said giving KSM Ensure was tantamount to torture.

Sara

Besides who ever won a war by falling off a balance beam as opposed to, say, chucking a spear?

The trick is not to fall off. But I get your point. Not sure that some of our special forces would agree that having athletic agility is less important than strength. In any case, they all require coordination.

Hit:

Subjective or objective judging is one thing, but the skill in performance is what I'm talking about. As a disclaimer, I should say that I was a diver, so I know how hard it is to do a dive like Boudia did for his last dive. In fact, back then, the idea that anyone could do triple/triples was as far off as breaking the 10 sec mark in the 100 used to be. Besides, you don't have to be an Olympic judge to know a good or bad dive when you see it, if you watch for awhile.

I'm not a big fan of races, mostly because you are either built for speed or you aren't. Speed and strength were never my strengths out of the water, so I stuck to diving and in the winter, ice skating.

DrJ: Those events were shown, but mostly very very early in the morning our time or on the sister NBC stations at odd hours. I also love them.

centralcal

Oh, and if your point is that little old centralcal watching or not watching has no impact on any given rating, I suppose you are correct. But if I convince my family and my friends to stop watching (which is supporting) a given channel or program along with me, then I still feel like I am doing my part in robbing them of precious eyeballs and eventually $$$$$$.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Do you guys know there is a new thread?

--I have never understood where the sport is in throwing a javelin or a discus compared to the skill sports of diving or gymnastics.--

It's like curling, which looks stupid but is as intellectually taxing as golf. Chess on ice, as they say. You just can't tell that from watching.

DrJ

Sara, I'll have to see if the performances are on the web. I bet they are, and they would be worth watching.

Sara

It's like having ice cream one day, and pie the next.

Exactly.

I actually enjoy every minute of the Olympics no matter the venue. There is something about watching the best of the best.

Wrestling is the only sport I find hard to watch. However, I am watching us win the Gold Medal as I type this, so all is good.

Sara

Yes, Soylent I was serious and yes I know they are original sports.

I do agree with the guys that ribbons and hoops is kind of weird to have in the Olympics, but done right requires both timing and athleticism, so they do have a smidgeon of redeeming value. Smidgeon being the operative word.

hit and run

Sara:
Besides, you don't have to be an Olympic judge to know a good or bad dive when you see it, if you watch for awhile.

And I'm not! But medals aren't awarded based on not being an Olympic judge and knowing a good dive when I see it.

Someone has to determine good dive A is better than good dive B, and the Olympic judges are tasked with this.

Would you have judged the exact same way the Olympic judges have for every dive?

What if Boudia had not won gold, based on the Olympic judges' judgment?

I didn't watch, so I have no idea if he was head and shoulders above the other competitors or if it was a squeaker. But please don't tell me that even a head and shoulders above performance could have ended with him not winning gold.

It could have.

Clarice

well, frau wouldn't a golden orb silk spinnery be just the thing for a new hobby/

Sara

I'm going to close out this thread by saying OUR GIRLS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hit and run

Centralcal:
Oh, and if your point is that little old centralcal watching or not watching has no impact on any given rating, I suppose you are correct.

Yeah, that's my point based on....

I completely boycott all alphabet media (don't want to add one scintilla to their ratings)

Your boycott (or not) doesn't add or subract one scintilla to their ratings.

Yeah, that's my point.

But if I convince my family and my friends to stop watching (which is supporting) a given channel or program along with me, then I still feel like I am doing my part in robbing them of precious eyeballs and eventually $$$$$$.

Go for it. But if you indulge in a sneak peek because a particular show interests you, neither your family and friends nor Nielsen needs to know about it, and your watching wouldn't add one scintilla to their ratings. You don't have to wait for NJ Jan to report . . . for fear of adding to a show's ratings.

bgates

Why not go full American Idol style

"Oh, they can't....No, we're being told that that 'dive' - which was just a jump in the water, really - has secured the bronze medal for Jiao Wenbiang, the 47 year old plumber from Shanghai, with 700 million more votes than the 4th place finisher."

hit and run

I happen to love Jiao Wenbiang. Her poise and confidence is that of a seasoned athlete, no matter her actual dive.

centralcal

Hit: Oh, NOW I get your point!

Been rather disjointedly commenting. Kids preparing for their big move have been hauling stuff into my garage, onto my patio, and stuffing things in spare closets - which made it hard to focus.

Point well made. Just not interested enough to watch it myself as long as it is on a reliably biased news program. But am always interested in the opinions of those who do show an interest and comment about it here.

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