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August 13, 2012

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Rob Crawford
Jeremiah Wright and Calypso Louie co-hosted an anti-violence event...

How many shot there?

DebinNC

Is their reliable reporting that Palin was denied the opportunity to speak in Tamp? I haven't seen it.

Ignatz

--Then why do ya'll spend so much time and energy on his drivel?

Posted by: Rob Crawford | August 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM--

Because unchallenged lies are all too common, and if left unchallenged long enough become a substitute for the truth.
And because it's frequently enjoyable to shoot fish in a barrel, even drunken, snaggle-toothed, red haired ones.

Captain Hate

I think that not inviting her to speak is downright despicable.

It's a very petty gesture by small spiteful people. People like that are why I switched to Repub last year specifically to vote Kevin DeWine out. They're on their way to the trash heap but they won't go gracefully.

ROA

The so-called Ryan Medicare plan is actually the Ryan-Wyden Medicare plan. Before becoming a senator, Wyden taught gerontology, founded the Oregon chapter of the Gray Panthers and served as their leader for six years, and served as the director of the Oregon Legal Services Center for Elderly, a nonprofit law service. His record doesn’t indicate he is the type to throw seniors under the bus.

rse

MT-so true. Red and I were talking last night how impoverished so many kids in her generation with educated parents and private school backgrounds are because they know no history. Red got interviewed by UK radio at the Churchill War Rooms when she was 10. She was the only kid there plus 7 year old sister and she was obviously enjoying it so DJ asked her to explain to British kids what they could get from museum. She nailed it.

daddy-Anchorage got the first Race to the Top grant for a district and yes that does sound like they immediately began to get the full template in place. RTT, like those NCLB waivers, is loaded with language that has counterintuitive meanings that destroy academics in suburban schools and keep the urban schoolchildren aggrieved. Next post will really nail that and Jane will want to read that one. Explains why Mass high standards had to go along with a bunch else. But I want to finish this telling book and deal with 1st day of school and Red has dry sockets. Which has her fairly puny and wanting mama nearby. Not slaying dragons until tomorrow I suppose.

Strawman Cometh

Begorra! Duda framed the only argument for keeping Plugs on the ticket.

Danube of Thought

1860 for sure.

Rob Crawford
Because unchallenged lies are all too common, and if left unchallenged long enough become a substitute for the truth.

Or, our honorable host could decline to publish those lies.

maryrose

Never fear. I believe Sarah will be a surprise speaker and why give her up now to be a pinata for the mess media?

DebinNC

I agree with Rob re feeding the trolls. You get more of whatever you reward, and attention is oxygen to these folks.

Janet

I don't know...I'm a bit leery of the "evil Ron Paul" supporters line. Seems like some of the old guard in the Republican party are just dismayed at losing some of their power. Same old people over & over have held certain positions & now they are being challenged by small government conservatives....whether they are Ron Paul supporters or Tea Partiers. It becomes a catch-all to dismiss certain people without knowing specifics.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

We're scared of Tea party radicals

You should be. We are just getting started.

JM Hanes

LOL, jimmyk!

I'd add an official category for the mystery experts consulted by press:

Media economists would say that the cup was unexpectedly 5% emptier than predicted, when official revisions would subsequently reveal that it was actually 6% emptier than before.

wemustwin

Well, Sarah Palin seems to offer a different take on not speaking at the GOP convention. Whether she is invited or not, it doesn't seem to matter to her, as she is more interested in working on Senate and House campaigns, of which we are in dire need of winning.
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/statement-from-governor-sarah-palin-you-see-it-first-right-here/

narciso

the nazguls basically mix those exotic elements found in Krugman, Schreiber, Chait,
(who in themselves are often derivative of each other) is the Superfund still around to deal with this sort of toxic brew?

Rick Ballard

Let's not forget 2012 marks the centennial of the Proglodyte Horror Show. The Wilson administration initiated a great number of wretched measures which continue to leave a very vile stain upon the Republic.

rse

Well, Rick, there are quite a few others who actually deserve it more than Dewey. His ideas are despicable but you can tell he was unbelievably naive.

Someone like Goodlad and these supers and these profs and the accreditors. They are aware of the history of these ideas in a way Dewey was not. He did back away somewhat from his earlier enthusiasms for the USSR but he was a small c communist. He was Mao's favorite writer going back to the 20s. In the hands of others, Dewey's ideas are especially lethal.

The "they" is Stroudsburg, PA. Do not know if it is parents or teachers.

I can tell you though the provable idea that you have deliberately kept urban schools down and are now openly targeting the suburban schools and it is largely to be psychological and emotional for political ends is political dynamite.

In an effort to use ed to stealthily spark the desired revolution, wouldn't it be poetic if it turned around and started fracturing presumed reliable components of the planned electoral coalition?

Chubby

((She doesn't seem to be upset by it.))

because she is a consumate politician with an abundance of class and grace.

Manuel Transmission

Janet: If Jack Abramoff's name is always preceded by "disgraced former lobbyist", then Spitzer's name should always be preceded by "disgraced prostitute addict".

Back at the beginning of bent Willy's disgusting admin, I finally learned how the MFM steered the narrative. If you recall the FBI fiasco in Idaho, there was a fellow up there with four names and ALWAYS identified with his four names: White Supremasist Randy Weaver.

daddy

Candy Crowley of CNN I have been forced to observe lately much more than I would prefer.

I arrived with the initial impresion that she was as unbiased (as one would get from that network), but after @2 weeks of watching her while on the road it is apparent she is humongously partisan in twisting the scenario towards the election of her preferred candidate, Obama.

Trust her about as far as you could imAgine throwing her.

I think she has in effect been given a personal pass by the viewing Public because of her gross fatness and because also, due to her less obnoxious schtick,m when compared to her fellow CNN hosts she comes across as fairly nonpartisan.

Anyhow, this is the week Candy Crowlkwy lost me, so it is a bummer tp learn that she is a Debate Moderator.

dublindave

"Why, it's almost like he's just a slimy liar but can't keep the lies straight."


Roflmao. You're extremists being front and center isn't going to improve the electoral college count by much. You're dead in the water, you're just too stupid to realize it. ( Quick, quick, reach for the Rasmussen poll, quick quick.)

Having said that, watching radicalism being stamped out and the subsequent internecine warfare is and will be quite entertaining.

Where's me popcorn?

Rob Crawford
because she is a consumate politician with an abundance of class and grace.

So perhaps her boosters should follow her example?

(I suspect she's not openly upset about it because she's more interested in ousting Obama than in promoting herself.)

narciso

Well, daddy, her Pavlovian response to Ryan's pic, gave it away, same with Schieffer's mix of ignorance and spite, the Rather formula.

dublindave

case in point:"I think that not inviting her to speak is downright despicable"


"Me too, Chubby."

Now watch what happens when Ryan gets Mitigated by Team Romney. Watch what happens when Romney, on his own, has to explain the Ryan plan and the future of Medicare along with the new lower tax rates for America's richest one percent. Watch what happens when Andrea Saul or Eric ferhnstrom explain the Ryan plan.

Get ready for the car crash.

jimmyk

Good one, JMH, and very apropos for this group. I should say that I didn't come up with any of those jokes, lest I get lumped together with the likes of Fareed Zakaria.

Danube of Thought

Raz:

"The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% of Likely U.S. Voters favor repeal of the national health care law, while 38% are opposed. This includes 46% who Strongly Favor repeal and 29% who Strongly Oppose it. "

Ranger

The Wilson administration initiated a great number of wretched measures which continue to leave a very vile stain upon the Republic.

Not just the Republic. I can think of no other man in the 20th Century that has more guilt for the century of bloodletting that followed his efforts to impose his academicaly ideal solutions in the peace of 1919.

Dave (in MA)

Make sure you use lots of 'butter', dudu.

Thomas Collins

1800 was also pretty hot to trot, with the Federalists peacefully transferring the reins to the Democrat-Republicans.

I suspect that Palin knew she wouldn't be speaking when she pixelled her Facebook post blessing Romney-Ryan. If she's OK with not speaking at the Convention, I'm OK with it. In fact, if it gives her some rest to gear up and help elect candidates who will hold R & R to their promises, I'm especially OK with it.

Thomas Collins

1800 was also pretty hot to trot, with the Federalists peacefully transferring the reins to the Democrat-Republicans.

I suspect that Palin knew she wouldn't be speaking when she pixelled her Facebook post blessing Romney-Ryan. If she's OK with not speaking at the Convention, I'm OK with it. In fact, if it gives her some rest to gear up and help elect candidates who will hold R & R to their promises, I'm especially OK with it.

Janet

Exactly, MT. By bent Willy did you mean "Cigar pleasurin' former President" Bill Clinton? Hah!

jimmyk

Whether she is invited or not, it doesn't seem to matter to her

How would we know? She's not going to publicly complain or pout about it. I'm sure it matters to her, and I hope cooler heads prevail and she gets to speak. Whatever her strengths and weaknesses, she's proven to be able to give a great speech, and would draw a bigger audience than most on that list.

Rocco

Sarah was pretty critical of Romney when he attacked Gingrich but when asked about Gingrich attacking Romney it was "steel sharpening steel." Her dislike for Romney was evident to me anyway.

daddy

I want Dennis Miller to be 1 of the Debate Moderators. He will never be allowed to become one, but why the hell not.

He is smarter & fairer than all those other Debate Moderators put together.

Chubby

((So perhaps her boosters should follow her example?))

so if a politician whom you liked was treated unjustly, as long as that politician didn't publically whine about it, you'd be cool with it? cool with all the smears agaisnt Bush, for example, that he didn't compain about?

narciso

This certainly falls under 'those words you are using category'


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-iftar-dinner-all-rights-we-hold-sacred-foremost-freedom-religion

Captain Hate

So perhaps her boosters should follow her example?

(I suspect she's not openly upset about it because she's more interested in ousting Obama than in promoting herself.)

Why should we remain silent about something that we view as a spiteful act by people who are always yammering about including everybody under a big tent? We're not making threats to turn against Romney; we're complaining about party apparatchiks acting poorly.

Chubby

jimmyk, your 11:31 sums it up.

Thomas Collins

Palin is savvy and can have the sharpest of elbows and barracuda teeth when she decides that hardball is the way to go. If she wants her supporters to inundate the GOP with demands that she be allowed to speak, she'll let us know (even if she doesn't use those exact words).

Janet

Yes, daddy! How great would that be?! Having some bloggers moderate a debate might be great too....assuming some conservative bloggers were chosen.

glasater

Thanks, DaveinMA:-)

centralcal

Ditto what Captain Hate said.

Palin may well rise above the fray, but I sure as hell don't have to.

Clarice

Every time the left charged the romney-Ryan team as just rich white guys, ask if Kerry-Edwards was less white and rich.

Every time the left makes something about Ann Romney's horseback riding, ask why a woman who does this for physical therapy is derided for her upper class sport when Jackie Kennedy's horseback riding for fun was deemed glamorous and wonderful.

And so on.
Polish those brass knuckles for a bash up fight.

Rob Crawford

OK, then vent away about the injustice being done to Palin.

Thomas Collins

Miller asking the questions would be fine. However, I think I'd enjoy it even more to have Miller as a post-debate commentator and hear his thoughts on Candy Crowley's questions and Obama's answers.

GMAX

For DoT:

http://www.gallup.com/fvideo.aspx?i=sWBWGL.mO9k88cb3hxprTwaa

But everyone should watch, its short.

Rob Crawford
Palin may well rise above the fray, but I sure as hell don't have to.

PUMA?

Outlaw!

Polish those brass knuckles for a bash up fight.

I think quite a few people need to be reminded who those brass knuckles are for, Clarice.

centralcal

Drudge on Twitter says that CBS edited out the portion where Ryan says his own mother is a medicare senior living in Florida ...

I hate the MFM. I may not get off the couch in the way Jane and Janet do, but by golly there is a lot I can do from the couch (so to speak) - push back on Twitter against the MFM and in media comment sections, etc.

Ignatz

--If you recall the FBI fiasco in Idaho, there was a fellow up there with four names and ALWAYS identified with his four names: White Supremasist Randy Weaver.

Posted by: Manuel Transmission | August 13, 2012 at 11:21 AM --

And apparently he wasn't even a white supremacist. A reminder of why the government is no more than a necessary evil.

dublindave

"Make sure you use lots of 'butter', dudu."


That's what your wife told me last night.

jimmyk

Why not Brit Hume? There's not even a pretense of balance in those choices.

Chubby

((If she's OK with not speaking at the Convention, I'm OK with it.))

that Sarah Palin is delighted not to speak at the convention goes way beyond the limits of what I find credible

also beyond the bounds of what I find credible is that a politician like Palin would publically whine about being snubbed

DebinNC

Did Palin give any reason for not speaking? If not, why should we assume it's the RNC's fault and not a personal decision based on what's best for Palin and her family? I think Levi Johnson is making noises about suing for custody of Bristol's baby. Bristol is making news about another round on Dancing w/the "stars." Maybe Palin has polls showing she's as polarizing to the muddle as ever and would prefer to remain a force to be reckoned with behind the scenes way from the hateful media glare. Why be indignant when the choice of speaking/not speaking may have been hers alone?

Dave (in MA)

The closest thing they even have to a moderate in the moderators is Ben Bradlee's kid.

Sue

We have to win in November. Sarah Palin is a lightning bolt. We love her. The middle doesn't. It's a fact of life. If she spoke, she would take over the news cycles, not because she wanted to, she just would. That isn't what Romney needs.

Dave (in MA)

(continued)
's ex wife.

Chubby

((OK, then vent away about the injustice being done to Palin.))

I'm sure you *vented* from time to time about the injustices that were perpetrated toward Bush in the media, etc. But with Palin, for some reason, it's different, eh?

Sue

Rick,

You said something Saturday that I failed to follow up on and it has bothered me. You said Romney picking Ryan meant Florida and Ohio weren't going to be swing states. Because Romney is going to win them or lose them?

Captain Hate

That isn't what Romney needs.

Does Romney need McRINO speaking like an addled fool? Huckabee? Condi Rice?

The whole thing sounds like an insomnia cure. Let top men have their little circle jerk and a happy Barbara Bush. Their days are numbered.

Danube of Thought

I can think of no other man in the 20th Century that has more guilt

Adolf Hitler?

DebinNC

Just noticed that Todd Palin's reality show "Stars Earn Stripes" debuts tonight, which supports my theory that Sarah Palin chose not to speak at the convention. If the RNC had pressured her, she likely would have relented, but I bet she's glad to sit out and let Todd shine out of her shadow.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

I love Sarah but I haven't given 2 thoughts to whether she speaks at the convention.

This is a whole new cycle.

dublindave

We have to win in November. Sarah Palin is a lightning bolt. We love her. The middle doesn't. It's a fact of life. If she spoke, she would take over the news cycles, not because she wanted to, she just would. That isn't what Romney needs.


I get it, company's coming you have to chain your deformed 15 year old daughter in the basement on the offchance her withered arm or psychopathic tendencies offend people.


-would you like some cake?

-what was that screaming?

-oh,it's nothing-tea?

-it's coming from the basement.I'll go investigate.

-NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Sue

Capt'n,

I'm not going to argue whether Palin is a lightning bolt. We all know she is. Romney gave a nod to the TEA party and us by choosing Ryan. I think we should be happy with that and let Sarah do what Sarah does. She doesn't need the convention to get her message out. And I really, truly believe she would hurt Romney if she spoke.

And yes, I think Romney needs moderates speaking. The middle will decide this election. Not you and me.

centralcal

Per the Washington Post it appears that Ryan's approval numbers have already doubled with Independents:

One of the largest movements on Ryan’s favorability numbers was the 21-point jump among conservative Republicans, but the initial movement was positive among independents as well, doubling from 19 to 39 percent. The shift among Democrats was similar in both a positive (up 10 percentage points on favorability) and negative direction (up eight on unfavorability).
Manuel Transmission

Great summary, Iggy. I had a b-i-l (since died) that knew Randy. Total BS situation. Makes F&F look like just more of the same.

Sue

Leo,

I guess that makes sense in your demented world. I wish you would act your age. I know you aren't a teenager. Interaction with you would be more productive if you made sense.

Chubby

((The whole thing sounds like an insomnia cure))

LOL!!!!

Jim Ryan

MODERATOR: Vice-President Biden, some say we can't afford to help all Americans, that saving American car manufacturing is not worth it, and that we can ignore environmental damage we're doing to the planet because we don't want to burden the very wealthiest businessmen with slightly higher taxes. What say you to these criticisms of your platform?

BIDEN: Well, Katie....[etc.]

MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Vice-President. This next one's for you, Congressman. At a time when the poorest Americans are hurting, you want to gut their healthcare and shift the tax burden to them and away from the top 1% of the wealthiest Americans. Isn't that vision of unequality extremely unAmerican, callous, and immoral? And finally, why do you want criminals who commit massacres to have easy access to assault rifles? You have 30 seconds to respond.

etc.

Sue

I'm pretty sure Biden won't be able to bullshit his way through the debate this time. Ryan will call him on his lies.

Thomas Collins

I suspect Palin and Romney just couldn't come to a mutually acceptable deal. As the most recent Veep candidate of the GOP, and as one of if not its most successful supporter of candidates, Palin naturally wouldn't accept anything less than a prime speaking slot. Romney wasn't willing to give that to her. My prediction is that 100 years from now, when this era's political history is written, Palin, whether or not she ever becomes POTUS, will be a more consequential figure than Romney. She doesn't need a convention gig to be a heavyweight in the American political scene. Her speech in Indianola, Iowa will be pointed to as one of the key speeches in the movement to tame and reverse in part the excesses of the Ruling Class (the excesses of oligarchs are never completely tamed or reversed).

Sue

Rick Perry was the first out of the gate to campaign for the Romney/Ryan ticket in Iowa. Or at least according to my local news.

Chubby

Deb in NC

just wondering: if there were a smoking gun proving that the Romney people deliberately snubbed Palin, would you think it was shoddy treatment, or would you agree more with Sue's thinking, that not giving her a public spotlight is an electoral necessity?

Danube of Thought

Thanks a lot, Gmax.

My great-nephew is marrying Newport's daughter in February. She's a very lovely Lieutenant, USN. (He's a Lt.j.g.)

Thomas Collins

Looks as if the Rangers are creating some breathing space between them and the Athletics and Angels, Sue.

Sue

TC,

Hopefully the slump is over and it is all the way to the World Series...go Rangers!

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Has anyone considered that Sarah may well have declined the honor so as not to overshadow the candidates? ISTM she is that kind of person. I suspect she will work her butt off in whatever role she is given to get the RR ticket elected. After all, they are adopting her philosophy of government almost down the line.

Sue

I'm still worried about our pitching. No Lewis. No Feliz. Nathan hot or cold. Anyway, go Rangers!

tcb

Time for some more wealth sharing...

"Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked.

From Drudge link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/13/obama_a_new_vision_of_an_america_which_prosperity_is_shared.html

Captain Hate

She doesn't need the convention to get her message out. And I really, truly believe she would hurt Romney if she spoke.

You might be right because I have no way to prove or disprove it; but she has actively campaigned for a number of candidates and has a high winning percentage. Granted this is a national campaign and will receive a different amount of scrutiny but I still think that 2010 showed that nationally a lot of people are more positively inclined toward her than the MFM would have you believe.

I'm gonna stop commenting on this now because ultimately it's a great big nothingburger as far as important issues go.

DebinNC

I can't answer you, Chubby, without a much too long post. Bottomline, I've always seen Sarah Palin with equal part strengths and weaknesses, and so terribly wronged by the msm and other evildoers. She's vastly overrated imo and semi-toxic to the general public, so I think she wisely chose to avoid the national spotlight.

Rick Ballard

Sue,

The CW was Ryan was toxic to seniors. The senior cohort percentage in Florida is larger than average and therefore Romney must not be worried about taking Florida. The CW was wrong and I was wrong to pay attention to it. McCain beat Obama by 53-45 among the 65+ cohort in Florida as opposed to Obama prevailing at 51% nationally. Florida may be already in the bag but the Ryan pick wasn't an indication.

Gallup has Obama's current approval rating among the 65+ cohort at 42%, indicating he's down his typical 20%. I doubt whether the Ryan pick will affect the decision within the cohort whatsoever. Current geezers are a completely different group than the geezer crop exploited by Dem from LBJ through the impeached perjuring rapist.

daddy

RSE.

You're 11:09, or any other.,

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for posting all that stuff.

I don't read it all but I am glad JOM is a place that you can post it, and then unload.

You are wonderfully vauable to this outfit.

I find myself now looking at innocuous local stuff with a jaundiced eye that I would never before have considered worth getting off my rear end and hollering about.

Thank you!

Sue

Rick,

That makes me feel better. I was hoping you weren't already writing them off.

Thomas Collins

I know how Obama was big on Bill Ayres under he realized that associating with accused cop killers was not a smart thing to do if one wanted a national political career.

Appalled

TC says:

My prediction is that 100 years from now, when this era's political history is written, Palin, whether or not she ever becomes POTUS, will be a more consequential figure than Romney.

Quick now -- who is considered more consequential -- William Jennings Bryan, who was playing the Sarah Palin role in the Democratic party in 1912, or Woodrow Wilson, who got the nomination, after a very short stint as New Jersey governor?

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

You know I've never met one person who is for sharing wealth who would ever share a dime.

hizzona

Hey, it looks like venture capitalists aren't bad after all...

"But the mayor said the timing of the layoff announcement is not an embarrassment for his administration or a setback in efforts to build a tech hub downtown.

"Based on every call we're getting from companies and venture capitalists, the (planned move) is a big deal," Emanuel said. "Chicago is now becoming a tech capital."

The mayor added that "when Google bought Motorola Mobility (in May), we knew things would not go along as they had in the past, that Google would bring new focus and restructuring to the business.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-motorola-mobility-to-slash-4000-jobs-20120813,0,3401738.story

Clarice

Be careful with that-ahem-geezer apellation, RB.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

Here is the complaint filed by ISSa today on the civil contempt.

Rob Crawford
I'm sure you *vented* from time to time about the injustices that were perpetrated toward Bush in the media, etc. But with Palin, for some reason, it's different, eh?

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Sue

Rick,

The CW was Ryan was toxic to seniors.

The Florida papers' headlines are making that point. Source

Sue

I didn't realize Paul Ryan was 42. Wowza. Anyway, I hope he and his family are ready for what is about to hit them. I hate the MFM.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Maybe I should preface the usage with "My fellow"? "My fellow geezers..." has a kinder, gentler (gag) ring to it. It's not as if I'm not fully behind the Geezer Power movement, as far as I can recall.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

no time to scan if someone else posted this half-full variant already....
http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/

And a couple more one-liners for optimists/pessimists
Op: "The glass is full; half with water, half with air."
Pess: "The glass contains some water; I want a Coke!"

Captain Hate

Btw I applaud the RNC for scheduling Ted Cruz and Scott Walker to speak at the convention even though their inclusion should be considered a no brainer.

Rob Crawford
I know how Obama was big on Bill Ayres under he realized that associating with accused cop killers was not a smart thing to do if one wanted a national political career.

And that latest airbrushing, after Kurtz's book.

You have to wonder -- if the people and causes Obama associated with are benign and harmless, why aren't they more up-front about his association with them?

Bruce
White Supremasist Randy Weaver.
I never got that of him. He seemed to be more the survivalist just trying to escape from society.

But, tying to another topic on this page, I just came from spending the bulk of the last 3 months not far from that part of the country. Ruby Ridge is maybe 20 miles or so north of Sandpoint, Idaho, which has boomed since that time, which very likely would have driven the Weavers out. The connection here is that Sandpoint is the birth place of Sarah Palin.

Sandpoint is at the north end of Lake Pend Oreille (I was living about an hour up the Clark Fork River from there in NW Montana). About halfway between the bottom of that lake and Lake Coeur d'Alene is Hayden Lake, which is where the actual white supremacists seemed to congregate several decades ago. However, Coeur d'Alene is so tony and pricey these days that the white supremacists were mostly pushed out.

Danube of Thought

Sooner or later the parasites are going to ask themselves: has this clown spread any wealth my way? How come I'm still waiting for the big handout that never comes? How long can I be such a sucker?

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