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August 23, 2012



CH, what are the odds that you'd be the offendee?


"So what does everyone think about the dem convention having 20,000 Muslims in attendance?"

I think the Pork BBQ concessionaires in Charlotte are gonna' take it in the shorts.

NJ Jan

Thank you, daddy -- I justice spit coffee on my kindle screen!


It might also be quite gay around her

That's hardly any of our business, Jim.

re the departure of our famous tasteful nude model - she wanted TM to eliminate some comments, he didn't, she left. Can't remember any more details than that, but she made it clear at the time why she was going.


With permission, I'd like to revise and extend my remarks at 5:22 pm.

...besides, what good is a learning experience without the occasional verbal food fight.

Re: Santorini

I'm in! I've always wanted to live in a white-washed house on the top of hill on some remote Greek island, with the wind blowing in the curtains at the open French doors, eating olives and drinking wine, breaking bread with the old folks in the village. Sorry about the "French" doors, but this is my day dream.


Alice-I showed up in the summer before the 2008 election. IIRC it was the interest in Ayers here and I had connected him to an associate Rico Gutstein that told me it was not really about how to teach math.

This is a fun place to be during election season because there is a tremendous amount of discrete and useful knowledge from various locales. You simply know where patterns are developing and how what seemed an isolated occurrence is not.

The lawyers here know how badly we need the Senate to actually repeal Obamacare. Without the repeal it is toxic to the economy in a way that is impossible to escape from.

There is thus a frustration that Akin seems not to have cared about the risk he was imposing on the rest of the country.

Most of us here have tossled with each other from time to time. This is a crew that cares passionately about ideas. And that recognizes just how toxic the ones animating this Admin are.

Mo is an interesting state. Each commenter here will be the poorer without your contributions. You are a valuable part of our eyes in the field and on the ground.


I'm not going away, Sue. I was being facetious, mocking all this strum und drang over opinions posted on a blog, for heaven's sake--by faking a British accent (which you can't hear over the internet, so it fell rather flat), and assuming the hand-to-brow pose of a Victorian maiden, who's not quite sure what she as done to offend, and doesn't quite know what to do about it.

Your equating of the whole thing to junior high was more to the mark. Shorter to.


Have I told you lately I always enjoy your posts and your words of wisdom.In my head you are the voice of reason.

What???? Have you lost your mind? The voice of reason???? Bwahahahaha!


--she wanted TM to eliminate some comments, he didn't, she left. Can't remember any more details than that, but she made it clear at the time why she was going.

Posted by: bgates | August 23, 2012 at 05:38 PM --

That's what I remember. IIRC they were racial in nature, but I may very well not RC.


You know, I have a vague feeling that some people took issue with things I've said in this thread. But I don't like it when others voice disagreement with me and challenge my way of thinking. I just want to think what I think and move forward unperturbed. Please refrain from taking issue with anything I say. In my view, an argument is not a series of statements intended to establish truth but rather a bothersome event which throws me into confusion and uncertainty. That's unpleasant and I don't like it so knock it off. Thank you.

Posted by: Jim Ryan | July 07, 2011 at 12:48 AM


--What???? Have you lost your mind? The voice of reason???? Bwahahahaha!

Posted by: Sue | August 23, 2012 at 05:44 PM --

You couldn't tell, Sue, but she said that with a fake British accent.


I leave for a few hours and find there are folks swimming away from the JOM island..Pls don't. You ad a lot.

Yes, Jane , I saw that the Greeks are selling off some islands..we can live on figs, olives,honey, goat cheese, fish and bread. I want real wine, not that retsina carp though. I'm IN..
DoT can ferry us in and out of Athens for critical supplies and we have enough engineers and pilots to make life very pleasant indeed.



I'm not the moderator, anyone can do anything they want. I was just voicing my opinion. What I would suggest, and this is just a suggestion, if someone is offended by a certain poster or remark, make mention of it so we know you are offended but leave out the drama of slamming the door. Just close it quietly in case you decide to return later.


I'm only in on this Santorini thing if someone has good evidence it's extinct and not just sleeping.
There's a reason it's shaped like a big ring, ya know.


A little sherbet from Scott Ot, who along with everyone else is really my favorite:
Scott Ott
I just received an automated response email from a somewhat famous person, which inspired me to write the following...
Thanks for the automated response. Due to the volume of automated responses I receive, this may be the only automated response-response you may see. Although, if you reply with another automated response, it may trigger an infinite-loop response that could accelerate to the point where you're actually initiating contact with me, rather than the other way around. If that should happen, please know that I do try to read all of my mail, but since I receive up to 7 or 8 letters per day there's no way I can respond to any of them.
There now: I feel much better.


I'll have you know, Ig, that faking a British accent is harder than it looks.


You couldn't tell, Sue, but she said that with a fake British accent.

Whew! I thought my reputation was at risk for a minute there.


I'm stealing that, clarice.


--I'll have you know, Ig, that faking a British accent is harder than it looks.

Posted by: derwill | August 23, 2012 at 05:50 PM--



I thought MayBee posted after that. Pretty sure she did. I think she left because of Leo and naming him as the professor. Just my opinion, I haven't talked to her or anything.


LOL, Ig! You win that one.


That Vagina looks like it's infected.


Actually, our tasteful nude returned very briefly after asking for certain ugly comments to be deleted. The second and last departure was much quieter and more discreet.

Anyway - I shall always read derwill henceforth with a fake British accent.

Sue, of course, you are the voice of reason - you're from Texas!


I think she left because of Leo and naming him as the professor. Just my opinion, I haven't talked to her or anything.

That's what I remember too. She did not care for mentions of visiting his home, or talking with his employer about his activities. Some others felt that way too, but did not leave.

Captain Hate

CH, what are the odds that you'd be the offendee?

Pretty slim; offender is another matter.

I wish Alice was still here because she's defended ace against some of my attacks in the past and he's been banging this monkey harder than anybody here.


Anyone got sharper memories of where this stands today?

Sounds like S.L.A. Marshall. His work was central to a total reorganization of the Army after World War II.

His work Men Against Fire is a must read. A Soldier's Load and the Mobility of a Nation is also pretty significant.

He made several very significan arguments through his work.

1) Physical and psycological stress are just as debilitating as actual combat wounds to soldiers. Exhausted soldiers simply can not fight.

2) Only roughly 10% of soldiers activily participate in combat in modern warfare.

3) In modern ground combat, every unit immediately loses all cohesion upon contact with the enemy because every sodlier immediately goes to ground, and is instantly an issolated individual on the battlefield. The role of leadership is to reconstitute the unit as a fighting force as quickly as possible.

As a result of his findings, the Army moved to put all infantry in Armored Personel Carriers so they could get as close to the enemy as possible in a protected vehicle, and enter combat as fresh as possible.

The Army also reorganized the Infatnry squad so that it was broken up into teams of men who all carried different weapons, so each member of the fire team would fell their participation in the fire fight mattered.

About 20 years ago a school of thought emerged that critisized Marshall and his work. They claimed that he engaged in thesis driven research and constructed his surveys of combat veterans from WWII in a way that produced the results he was looking for. They also argued that he puffed up his own combat resume from WWI in order to establish a basis of credibility with military leaders and make his arguments more convincing.

It does appear that he did embelish is combat expereiance a bit.


Okay, as the voice of reason around here...who's with me on more pictures of Prince Harry's naked butt?


Captain, Ace and you don't get along???
Say it isn't so.


Great comment at Miller from a caller.

Discussing what super power you would like to have if you could only have 1, caller somebody from up Northeast way says he'd like to have the power once a month to make stupidity painful.

Says that it'd hurt him a bit too, but that 1 day a month about 70 percent of the country would ache so bad they'd be unable to get out of bed!

Big hilarity ensues:)


Iggy, IIRC MayBee thought the comment represented an illegal threat against the president.


There's a new thread, not about baseball.

Danube of Thought

"Says the man who calls murdering the innocent principled."

Please quote my doing that.

Captain Hate

Gus, I like that ace provides me with a forum to vent with fellow morons. His treatment of people like you (and others) is just one of a few burrs under my saddle.

I want real wine, not that retsina carp though.

Ditto, Clarice.


Me, too, Iggy. I live in a world where there's an embarrassment of witty guys:Ott, Iowahawk, Hit, and bgates come to mind. Joy!


"faking a British accent"


Irish, scottish, welsh or jolly old?

I can do a bastardized sort of Irish accent but I have to talk out of only 1 side of my mouth.

Anyhow, another reason why I love Mark Twain:

Here's his intro note to "Huckleberry Finn" for those who might not remember:

"In this book a number of dialects are used, to wit: the Missouri negro dialect; the extremest form of the backwoods Southwestern dialect; the ordinary "Pike County" dialect; and four modified varieties of this last. The shadings have not been done in a haphazard fashion, or by guesswork; but painstakingly, and with the trustworthy guidance and support of personal familiarity with these several forms of speech.
I make this explanation for the reason that without it many readers would suppose that all these characters were trying to talk alike and not succeeding.

JM Hanes


"I suppose people will say I am a beneficiary of the sexual revolution or women's lib or whatever, since I didn't live through it."

They surely will. When the feminists finally run out of steam, Democrats will start shouting about the War on Men and demanding reparations from Republican women.

Kidding aside, women's options really were a lot more limited, both professionally and socially, when I was growing up, and women had to break through a lot of constraints before the idea of a glass ceiling even kicked in. There have always been women who managed to chart their own courses, but the original women's movement, with all its warts, was truly a paradigm shifting force for the rest of us. They turned into their own worst enemies, alas, after they won the war and didn't put down their weapons.


Hoity toity, Daddy. As in, nose in the air with nostrils sufficiently pinched.


Apropos--My favorite Shel Silverstein poem
Ladies First” by Shel Silverstein

Pamela Purse yelled, “Ladies first,”
Pushing in front of the ice cream line.
Pamela Purse yelled, “Ladies first,”
Grabbing the ketchup at dinnertime.
Climbing on the morning bus
She’d shove right by all of us
And there’d be a tiff or a fight or a fuss
When Pamela Purse yelled, “Ladies first.”
Pamela Purse screamed, “Ladies first,”
When we went off on our jungle trip.
Pamela Purse said her thirst was worse
And guzzled our water, every sip.
And when we got grabbed by that wild savage band,
Who tied us together and made us all stand
In a long line in front of the King of the land-
A cannibal known as Fry-’Em-Up Dan,
Who sat on his throne in a bib so grand
With a lick of his lips and a fork in his hand,
As he tried to decide who’d be first in the pan-
From back of the line, in that shrill voice of hers,
Pamela Purse yelled, “Ladies first.”


I have not seen that Silverstein poem before - wonderful, Clarice.


Ah what a wretched hive of 'scum and villainy' you will not find;



My son when he was young and now my grand daughter share my love for Silverstein's work esp "Light in the Attic".


--That's what I remember too. She did not care for mentions of visiting his home, or talking with his employer about his activities. Some others felt that way too, but did not leave.

Posted by: DrJ | August 23, 2012 at 05:57 PM--

As usual, I did not RC.


We still remember the day he passed away here.

There will be no more poems or books from a real talent is a sad thing to adjust to.


Oh boy. I sure owe Captain an apology. Just now at MOTUS I learned that Jake Tapper did indeed Tweet what the moron at AOSHQ said he did, and I was wrong. Apparently, Old "unbiased" Jake deleted his tweet hoping to hide the evidence (which fooled me). So here it is:



As usual, I did not RC.

Much of this came out when we were discussing our problem child at an alternate venue.


Joke Tapper is never wrong.

hit and run

MayBee had her reasons and some of you are pretty close.

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

Alice, it gets rough around here in election season.

Hell this is nothing compared to the primaries.

Take a time out and come back when you feel okay about it. Seriously, it's the best way.


My recall is that MayBee drew a line in the sand, calling for our host to delete a racist comment or she was outta here. I wish TM would track her down and explain about his new cleansing attitude for we are poorer for her absence. I am sorry to see people get so bent out of shape over pixels. How many years did we have to put up with the filth from Cleo? I just tuned it out. I am a firm believer in not feeding the trolls but I am not going to get mad at those that do. Similarly there are comments and back-and-forths that I find painful to see but I just ignore them.

Jane - talk is cheap!

I should have read on before posting. Sorry NJ Jan for repeating you.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Alright Barbara and Daddy, now we just have to convince the people with the dough. Ahhh I see one or two. I wonder what it will cost. My datawatch stock is soaring! I'm all in.

I think Maybee initially left over a death threat - fake as it was it made a lot of us uncomfortable. She came back for a short time and then left for good. And I still miss her. I haven't celebrated her birthday in months.

Soylent Red


If you are still monitoring comments here, when you get a chance please contact me . I have some questions you might be able to answer.


Private communications should stay private and I will only add a bit of info - I did communicate with our tasteful nude briefly not long ago. She knows that TM is policing the blog more now and deleting when necessary. She knows she is missed. She indicated she might return one day.

No kidding, Jane - shoot we used to almost have hourly MayBee birthdays around here - what fun that was. And, she never looked a day older!

Jane - talk is cheap!

I know CC - it's a crime to be that good looking.

Danube of Thought

"it's a crime to be that good looking."

I used to feel that way about Paul Newman. Now it's George Clooney.

I have a marvelous true (I'm quite sure) story about a woman who suddenly and unexpectedly encountered Newman in a tiny backwoods store. If two or more people signify an interest, I'll recount it when I get back to my computer.

NJ Jan


Actually, I was repeating your advice.


I want to hear it DoT.

Jane, Insty says that Ontario doesn't have that prostate cancer drug either and unless you pay privately for it you're dead there. You might write him about the Lockerbie bomber story.

Eric in Boise

I thought about getting chippy and threatening to stay, but I decided I wouldn't be able to handle everybody jumping in and begging me to leave.

Seriously, I hope nobody leaves. I enjoy everyone here. Even "those-who-shall-not be-named."

The next couple of months will likely be interesting, but I have a feeling they'll also be a heck of a lot of fun.

Jane - talk is cheap!


I want to hear the Newman stories.


DoT, I'm game too!

Jane - talk is cheap!

I sent it off to Insty Clarice and in the process got your very nice and cool email. Thank you!


Count me in, DoT!


P.>S very funny, Eric.


I am going to post this link on both active JOM threads. Everyone who hates CNN (as I do) will have to applaud Anderson Cooper and his "bop her around the studio" interview of Debbie Washerwoman. Please, ladies and gents, notice DWS's new Shirley Temple hairdo.


Danube of Thought

Paul Newman story:

A Michigan woman and her family were vacationing in a small New England town where Paul Newman and his family often visited.

One Sunday morning, the woman got up early to take a long walk. After a brisk five-mile hike, she decided to treat herself to a double-dip chocolate ice cream cone. She hopped in the car, drove to the center of the village and went straight to the combination bakery/ice cream parlor.

There was only one other patron in the store: Paul Newman, sitting at the counter having a doughnut and coffee. The woman's heart skipped a beat as her eyes made contact with those famous baby-blue eyes. The actor nodded graciously and the star-struck woman smiled demurely.

Pull yourself together! she chides herself. You're a happily married woman with three children; you're forty-five years old, not a teenager! The clerk filled her order and she took the double-dip chocolate ice cream cone in one hand and her change in the other. Then when she went out the door, avoiding even a glance in Paul Newman's direction.

When she reached her car, she realized that she had a handful of change - but her other hand was empty. Where's my ice cream cone? Did I leave it in the store?

Back into the shop she went, expecting to see the cone still in the clerk's hand or in a holder on the counter or something. But no ice cream cone was in sight. With that, she happened to look over at Paul Newman. His face broke into his familiar warm, friendly grin and he said to the woman, "You put it in your purse."

Danube of Thought

The rest of the story: to my huge chagrin, I see that Snopes.com casts considerable doubt on it.

Danube of Thought

Here's the Snopes account.

I'm filing this one with Richard Gere and the gerbil.


Awh..It was cute.


Oh gosh - I can so relate to that poor woman. What a fun story. (Bet she had to throw away most of the contents of her purse!)

Eric in Boise

Never mind Snopes, DoT. Just channel your inner democrat. It's a really cool story, and it makes you feel good, and it ought to be true, so it must be true.

Hey, this is fun!


I bet that was in Lenox Dot. I used to go to the same place as Joane Woodward every year for my birthday. Her birthday was 3 days before mine and she had the same habit. One morning we were walking up the stars having a conversation. At the top of the stairs we both noticed we had phone messages.

Those of you that know me know my name is a lot like Joanne's. Imagine my surprise when I called for my message and it was Paul. It was a lovely message and I didn't erase it for my whole visit. They got our names mixed up at the front desk.

After I went and found Joanne and breathlessly exclaimed "your husband called me.". When I regained my composure I said "sheesh I can 't believe I was swooning to you about your husband" and she said "it happens all the time."

Newman would come and pick up his wife at the end of her stay and hang out in the kitchen.

Danube of Thought

Maybe it happened to Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

Great story, Jane. You shoulda saved the tape.

Danube of Thought

I mean, the bottom line is, even if it didn't happen, what women need to know is that Paul Newman was really cute. Right?

Some guy

I once ran into Newman at LAX in the early 80's, and I can confirm that he had distinctive blue eyes and was a handsome dude. I think he wasn't quite 60 yet, at that point. I read somewhere that he was supposed to be 5'10", but he was maybe 5'7" best case and proportioned as though he were taller. He was surprisingly tiny.


He was very short, and seemed to get shorter every year. The last time I saw him, which was probably the early or mid 90's he looked tiny.

Danube of Thought

Jane, somehow that makes me feel better. I'm still guessing he got laid more than I did.


I used to see him driving around in his car in Westport. Never outside of it, though.


The tinyness of Alan Ladd really struck me.

Recently saw a late night rerun of his movie with Sophia Loren. I really noticed how hard they had to work the camera to make him appear to be her height.

I don't think he came up to her...Acropolis.

Danube of Thought

I think in Shane they had him standing on boxes.

Once in fourth grade I saw him doing some diving from the three-meter board at the hotel del Coronado swimming pool. Very, very impressive as a diver, and he was beautifully fit. I just didn't know what height was at the time; all I knew was that he was a very striking grownup.


I was right DoT,

He's hardly chest high to her:)


I didn't know Paul Newman was short. What a downer.

I ran into Frankie Avalon way back when he first became famous on the original American Bandstand. He was doing a series of traveling shows that included all the bubble gummers (Bobby Rydell, Fabian, etc) plus a few other one hit wonders. He was coming out of our small town Fort Stanwix Hotel as I was going in* and there he was, one of many teen heart throbs of the time and he barely came up to my shoulder. I was only 12, so he was really really short. My awestruck crush bubble burst that day. This was years before he teamed up with Annette for those Beach Party movies.

* The Fort Stanwix Hotel had a ladies rest room with an attendant. They allowed us to come in to use their facilities as long as we behaved ourselves. We liked it because it was clean and the attendant would give us warm hand towels to dry our hands, which made us feel very grown up and important. A few years later, I learned that the manager only let the kids in whose parents he knew, so he had all our names, in case we acted up.

Manuel Transmission

A buddy of mine raced Formula Fords in the '70s in the Midwest. Newman started his racing career about that time and often pitted next to my bud. My bud's folks would go to the races with him and it became a very nice low key chance for Newman to be 'just a guy' in the real world. The racer crowd called him P.L. and fiercely protected his privacy. I think it had a lot to do with his passion for racing for all those years.


This is a dead thread, but Anne made me laugh because, yes, we took the sugar cubes. The Fort Stanwix had a great dining room and it is the first place I remember eating parsley, which was an obligatory garnish with every meal.


Hi Annie!

Bah, parsley blows. But stealing sugar cubes, now that is a proud line of work for kid:)

Wheelchairs accessories

I always love Michelle Obama's speech,her words and dressing sense. Does'nt matter what others say. Be ready for the voting day...

Open Mic

I am leaving as "Open Mic", but I will be returning as "Tank Fist".

Panzer Faust

When does the convention thread start? It's ok now because Issac is only a tropical storm...and a bartender on a cruise line.

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