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September 16, 2012

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JM Hanes

Second look at Martha Raddatz?

Rice went on to point out that Marines aren’t present at all U.S. missions in foreign countries, so their absence from Tripoli is not in that way conspicuous. My favorite response to this came from ABC foreign correspondent Martha Raddatz, who said, “I’m pretty sure there are Marines in Paris, why aren’t they in Tripoli?”

rse

Jane-Climate Change is the premise for redesigning and restructuring the US and global economy in his 2nd term. They need to ask because the transformation plans are all in place and going forward. That's what the Belmont Challenge and the Future Earth Alliance are all about.

I may have used the oddities in the ed stories to get there but it has long ceased to be just a story about ed. Ed is to create the mindset that will tolerate such a level of govt interventions into every aspect of life.

Somewhat similar to what the Islamicists have in mind except without the Burkhas and everyone is to return to a marginally print literate state.

narciso

Happy, Rosh Hashanah, clarice, one of the nits that that Sir Bernard Lewis had with Said was he mistated when North Africa was conquered. I do remember that my late grandfather who spent a year in post Franco spain, reminded me of when and how long the Arabs had dominated the Iberian continent, and their routing at Tours, From Crowley, I didn't know there had been an earlier battle of Lepanto, where the Ottomans had acquired that piece of territory

daddy

Don't know if you guys have been following Joe Scarborough's moronic feelers twittered out about mounting a run for the US Presidency in 2016.

So far Mornin' Joe has shit on Instapundit, Mark Steyn, Jonah Goldberg, and Mitt Romney, but the main tell for me as to what a complete buffoon he is, is that he has resurrected Keith Olbermann from complete obscurity and Olbermann is now receiving hits and kudo's as a legitimate critic of a Republican Presidential candidate---Joe Scarborough.

And here I thought Mika was the moron in that duo.

MarkO

glasater, Yes. Yes I am.
Just read the next post.

Ignatz

--That struck me as equally deluded as Clinton's comment, but at least in Clinton's case he continued to mature in the world of Geopolitics, whereas I don't think Obama ever progressed beyond such Grade School immature hubris.--

daddy,
I don't think Clinton matured beyond his infantile papa problems any more than Barry has. I think Billy is just plain smarter and a more able calculator and manipulator than bonehead Barry.

DrJ

And here I thought Mika was the moron in that duo.

She is. Insufferably conceited, entitled and shallow. Joe simply is an idiot who still has some decent instincts on occasion, but has been beaten down by NYC and its putative pundits.

MarkO

Obama’s oratory is rather plain and frequently simply gaseous. His chin in the air (as he reads) is redolent of 1930’s dictators. But the supposed genius of his speaking is what I now would call the Talking Dog Effect.

This concept comes from Biden who famously said of Obama that he was "clean and articulate."(For, well, you know what he meant.) The other contributor was Harry Reid who stylishly noted that Obama was "light-skinned and no negro dialect."

Got the picture? Even his oratory is graded on the curve and given a push because he’s well, Chris Matthews would tell you. You see, for him and where he’s been and all that, he’s just so wonderful. Compared to say, Bill Buckley or even Clinton, he’s a poor rhetorician. But, hey, for him, he’s quite something.

The Talking Dog Effect helps to explain the obvious falsehoods that Obama is smart or that he’s a nice person. When you hear those phrases simply add the compulsory, “Yeah for one of . . .”

This is why no comic can mock him. It’s just not done to a Talking Dog. That Dog is a god’s gift and it just wouldn’t be right.

So, the lie that he is a great speaker is like all the other lies.

Threadkiller

I have to admit, I read the end of the story first:

"The shifts in Barack Obama’s policy toward Iraq show a remarkable correlation with the rise and fall of Tony Rezko’s business prospects in the Chamchamal Power Plant. As the story of the Rezko syndicate is exposed in his Chicago trial, the subject of its Iraqi commercial interests will come under a brighter light. Barack Obama has already said of his convicted ex-fundraiser, “this is not the Tony Rezko I used to know.”

What remains to be seen is whether new developments will see the same cognitive dissonance apply to Obama’s policy in Iraq.”

http://pjmedia.com/blog/tony-rezko-and-obamas-shifting-positions-on-iraq/?singlepage=true

Despite what you have read, the Rezkos did not have the money in the first part of 2005 to put down $ 125,000 on the lot they purchased. The loan from Auchi allowed the transaction to happen.

There is more to this story and it involves GE"

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/obama-rezko-auchi-iraq-lot-purchase-obama-position-on-iraq-coincides-with-tony-rezko-business-nadhmi-auchi-loan-to-rezko-allowed-lot-purchase-in-june-2005/

JM Hanes

I firmly believe that this Administration launches FBI/DoJ Investigations, no matter how spurious, for the sole purposes of claiming they cannot discuss events which put their own incompetence and corruption on display:

"I'm going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened -- not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it -- until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that's its got," State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon.
As Andy McCarthy points out, that's total bullshit, but have any of our brilliant White House press corp picked up on the fact that Libya has declined to let that investigation proceed? Of course, the Administration will come up with obfuscatory language about our Libyan/American partnership, if challenged, but it would be nice to make them do at least that much.

DrJ

I haven't been on Belmont Club for a couple of days, but here is a quote from Australia that is alarming:

In a matter of weeks, the Australian government will release a White Paper entitled “Australia in the Asian Century.” According to my sources, the report will look at how Australia can best exploit future economic opportunities in the region focusing on China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia and India. Conspicuously absent from the primary analysis will be America.

This should raise alarm bells in Washington and the region. It signals that America’s staunchest ally in Asia may be losing faith in the revival of the U.S. economy. If so, steadfast support for the alliance will not be far behind.

Luc

Centralcal at 6:33PM

if you go to http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/ambassador-susan-rice-libya-attack-not-premeditated/
out of 693 comments only a handfull of clearly deranged people accept the "official" theory of the unpremeditated attack on the consulate in Benghazi.
This gives me some hope :)

daddy

Now that I think on it, to be equally respectful to all major World Religions, I think the Met Museum of Art, the National Academy etc, should reopen the Piss Christ exhibit.

But in this new Exhibit, the audience should have access to a panel with 4 buttons.

Push button 1, and a mechanical arm picks up a Crucifix and dunks it in a vat of urine.

Push button 2, and the mechanical arm picks up a small statue of Buddha and dunks it in a vat of urine.

Push button 3, and the mechanical arm picks up a Koran and dunks it in the vat of urine.

Button 4, Ganesh, Vishnu, Siva, etc (Any one will do to make the point), and ditto the vat of urine.

Titile the exhibit: "The Democratization of Religious Respect and Equality."

Then on the Wall next to the Exhibit, post the previous OpEd's from the NYTimes, WaPo etc, explaining why "Piss Christ" was valuable and should have been shown to the Viewing Public. Then on the next wall, post their soon to be howling OpEd's blathering why this new exhibit should never, ever be shown to the Viewing Public.

daddy

"The Democratization of Religious Equality and Religious Respect" might work better.

DrJ

Not a surprise, but this is reassuring (WSJ):

Wisconsin's attorney general said he will appeal a local judge's ruling that struck down parts of the state law ending most public-employee unions' collective-bargaining rights.

Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said in a statement Sunday that he believes the law, known as Act 10, "is constitutional in all respects." He said his office will seek a stay of the law pending an appeal to the court's decision, so the law can continue as it has for more than a year while an appellate court addresses the legal issues.

daddy

Here is a website of various Islam approved depictions of Muhammed by Islamic artists over the centuries, which might suffice instead of a Koran.

And I suppose a small statue of Michelangelo's "Moses" ought to be included in the mix for folks who want to democratically respect the Jewish Faith as well.

What's not to like?

daddy

Link didn't take. Try here

Heck, might be worth just having an exhibit of Islamic produced images of Muhammed over the centuries and seeing if that drives them nuts.

Clarice

Dead right, JMH. You are en fuego.
Daddy, if the NEA doesn't give you a grant for that artwork perhaps the Alaskan Art Commission that bought the shitting lego giant will.

Thomas Collins

It appears that Axelrod and Jarrett have decided to continue to ride the YouTube video meme. At this point, Obama Administration statements on the Middle East are to be taken as seriously as Baghdad Bob's statements on the situation in Iraq in 2003.

The notion the Obama Administration is still pushing the unpremeditated nonsense for political purposes is actually the more optimistic view of the Obama Administration's assessment of the situation. The less optimistic view is that Rice, Clinton and the other foreign policy officials actually believe the attacks were unpremeditated.

Sara

DrJ: Fox & Friends had on a Wisconsin teacher who said that the teachers are beginning to like the changes and that the appeal will be successful and that it has alot of support from the teachers.

JM Hanes

Fascinating factoid there, daddy:

In 1999, Islamic art expert Wijdan Ali wrote a scholarly overview of the Muslim tradition of depicting Mohammed, which can be downloaded here in pdf format. In that essay, Ali demonstrates that the prohibition against depicting Mohammed did not arise until as late as the 16th or 17th century, despite the media's recent false claims that it has always been forbidden for Muslims to draw Mohammed. Until comparatively recently in Islamic history, it was perfectly common to show Mohammed, either in full (as revealed on this page), or with his face hidden (as shown on the next page). Even after the 17th century, up to modern times, Islamic depictions of Mohammed (especially in Shi'ite areas) continued to be produced.
daddy

""I'm going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened -- not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it -- until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that's its got," State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon."

JMH,

The State Dept Spokesman left out the next line, soon to be provided by some acting Authority in that North African country:

"Round Up The Usual Suspects."

daddy

Once again, into the maelstrom. KayyRoooooooo.

JM Hanes

Clarice: Well, I've certainly been plenty hot under the collar this week!


daddy:

I used to consider Ron Brownstein one of the best political reporters in the country, but that was many years ago, alas. A creeping distaste for Republicans has progressively dulled his former acuity.

Clarice

Chicago Teachers are extending the strike. Rahm oughta start thinking of replacements.

Jane - It's gonna be a Tsunami in November

This is interesting from Powerline, why the polls don't change. It's all decided and all that is left is turn-out.

So how have Rasmussen’s numbers been affected by the crumbling of Barack Obama’s foreign policy? They haven’t been. At all. Today, Romney leads Obama 47%-46%, not a significantly different finding from those that preceded Obama’s foreign policy disasters.

How can this be? I think it is a manifestation of the frequently-commented-upon polarization of the electorate. As I wrote here, this election shouldn’t be close, on paper, given Obama’s record of abject failure. But so many Americans are now cashing federal checks that self-interest drives many millions to vote Democrat, regardless of the public interest. Another factor is at work, too: more than ever, party affiliation reflects not so much empirical judgments about public policy issues, but deep-seated cultural affinity. As I noted here, the extent to which regular church attendance, or the lack thereof, is a predictor of presidential preference is shocking.

So, when you put those elements together, it seems that fewer and fewer votes are up for grabs. I can relate: it is difficult to imagine circumstances that would cause me to vote for a Democrat for any office. For better or worse, and for good reasons or bad, an enormous number of Americans feel that way. The result is that there are many millions who would rather vote for four more years of failure than vote for a Republican. More evidence of incompetence, whether on the economy or foreign policy, doesn’t sway their determination to vote Democrat.

The conventional wisdom is that the presidential debates are the next events that could shift significant numbers of votes. Maybe, but I doubt it. I will be surprised if the debates have more than a small and transient impact. Given the reasons why most voters align with one party or the other, something as mundane as a discussion of public policy isn’t likely to have much effect.

If all of that is correct, and given that the election now stands within the margin of error in any competent polling, it will come down to which side does the better job of turning out the members of its tribe. We can only hope that the Obama administration’s comprehensive failure dampens the enthusiasm of at least a handful of those whose monetary interest or cultural affinity normally leads them to pull the lever for Democrats.

Clarice

I think that's largely true, but I think I know where the stronger feelings and better on the ground organization are and they are like 2010.

narciso

I was pointing how it doesn't matter if it's a slapdash effort like Nakoula, or Tom Holland's rather meticulously scholarly BBC
series, both agitated the likes of Al Sharq's Al Rasheed, and the resident Al Ahram flack, Now from my perspective, I don't like stunts like Nakoula's or even Barnhardt, but I wouldn't proscribe them.

However, denial, about the darker part of Islam, is equally disrespectful, as Kristof
the consummate Arabist is engaging in.

Janet

daddy - here is a link by jimmyk I think, about just that thing. Times Changes

The New York Times editorial of October 2, 1999, defends the display of Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ and Chris Ofili’s The Holy Virgin Mary:
"A museum is obliged to challenge the public as well as to placate it, or else the museum becomes
a chamber of attractive ghosts, an institution completely disconnected from art in our time."

The New York Times editorial of September 12, 2012, condemns the display of The Innocence of Muslims:
"Whoever made the film did true damage to the interests of the United States and its core principle of respecting all faiths."

JM Hanes

In re Powerline (corrected link):

Today, Romney leads Obama 47%-46%, not a significantly different finding from those that preceded Obama’s foreign policy disasters.

Jane:

I do think Hinderaker is basically right about how few votes may actually be up for grabs (assuming no tsunami is forthcoming), but I've always believed that it takes at least a week after major events before public opinion really takes identifiable shape in response. This whole drama has played out over several days, so I wouldn't start drawing conclusions, especially over the weekend, till next Thursday or Friday, at the earliest.

Ranger

"Whoever made the film did true damage to the interests of the United States and its core principle of respecting all faiths."

Well, given that publishing the existance of our system of intercepting international communications that passed through US telecom networks damaged the interests United States, I don't think the times has much grounds to critisize there.

Clarice

McCarthy--no good reason and no legal reason for the Administration to go mum on Libya.http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/321057/law-legalisms-and-lying-about-libya-andrew-c-mccarthy#

narciso

My local fishwrap, follows the path of the film, with the tenacity of a predator drone, from an Egyptian expatriate Sadek to another Girgis, to the Al Nas station, the real agenda, re Sheikh Rahman and Gamaa
Islamiya isn't explored.

mockmook

I suppose I should have posted this here, since the other thread is dying:

I read your collective plans to document debate moderator bias. In my opinion this is an inefficient use of limited "campaign" energy.

Bias will only resonate with the muddle when Romney points out the bias (if any) inherent in a line of questioning.

Pre-bias is irrelevant unless the moderator acts on it. And, any bias must be confronted in the debate, confronted immediately and skillfully, forcefully, to have an impact.

Only Romney/Ryan can effectively wage this war on bias.

Rick Ballard

Jane,

The piece is too facile, again. The polarization aspect is spot on but PEW has a decent piece on party affiliation which includes this nugget:

In a post-election survey we conducted in November 2008, we interviewed voters with whom we had spoken less than one month earlier, in mid-October.

Among Republicans interviewed in October, 17% did not identify as Republicans in November. Among Democrats interviewed in October, 10% no longer identified as Democrats. Of those who declined to identify with a party in October, 18% told us they were either Democrats or Republicans when we interviewed them in November. Overall, 15% of voters gave a different answer in November than they did in October.

While I detest PEW for many, many reasons, they actually rank well up the list in the accuracy of their final polls. Is there really as big a shift in the last month as they report? Perhaps, but another interpretation may be they're doing spadework for a shift which they know has occurred and, like Gallup, are keeping a clear path open to the exit when the clarity of the stomping Obama is going to endure becomes undeniable.

Why is Obama running around renting himself out three times a week with seven weeks to go? That's not a mark of confidence.

Clarice

It's still safe, JMH and as I said Piotr put together an incredible trip for me. Everything from tenting out in the Atlas Mts to sleeping in a caravansary in the desert near the Algerian border. To really see the country you need to go with a driver. Most of the sites are not accessible anywhere else.

It's a breathtakingly beautiful and interesting place.

narciso

Interesting from this piece, how the previous death was somewhat murky


http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-28/news/mn-4287_1_adolph-dubs/3

Janet

It just HAS to ring hollow to every American to hear all the MFMers groan about respecting religion. Are they joking? Where have they been? Rock singer hanging on a cross before her concert, some other rock singer on a magazine cover wearing a crown of thorns, GLEE, the angst over the movie The Passion of the Christ, the critical acclaim of the movie The Last Temptation of Christ, every ACLU lawsuit fighting to erase our Christian heritage,....the list is endless.

Janet

Thanks to all for the Twitter advice too!

narciso

And then there is also the Noel and Moore assasinations, of whom NSA transcripts implicating Arafat were covered up

Sara

VIDEO PROOF OF OBAMA’S EMBASSY ATTACK LIES…(WARNING – GRAPHIC CONTENT)

The video is gruesome but I wish I had a translation of what is being yelled.

Porchlight

As someone whose relatives were "savages" "Christianized" through massacres, murders, and the Removal in not so distant times, I'd suggest you be careful what you ask for.

Don't conflate what Christian missionaries were doing with other conflicts between Europeans, the US Govt and and native Americans. My relatives were abolitionist Presbyterian missionaries and I can assure you they didn't murder or massacre. In fact they were some of the sole protectors of the Indians and mediators between natives and whites when whites were massacred.

JM Hanes

I'm always glad to hear our Ohio JOM contingent expressing confidence in an Obama defeat, because that's the one state I'm actively worried about.

Porchlight

Me too, JMH. I need frequent reassurance on OH.

Danube of Thought

Obama's oratory is like the phenomenon of a woman preacher in the eyes of Samuel Johnson: it is like seeing a dog walk on its hind legs. It's not that he does it well; the wonder is that he can do it at all.

Clarice

AOS:Raz has Romney up by 2 in the Swing states.

Narciso

Powerline doesn't delve into the operating assumptions behind even Rasmussen's polls. even today's Fox roundup, was still so steeped on conventional wisdom, that I avoided it, for the most part.

If they are not going to deal with the facts, and that film clip is quite nearly a mcguffin, what good are they.

Captain Hate

Ohio doesn't like the JEF; I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Even when Kasich was being torpedoed by quislings within the party (a major one since removed) regarding public employee unions, they were still rejecting BammyCare by voting to waive out of it by a similar percentage.

There is no enthusiasm for him except in the deepest blue hells. Look at some of the coal country counties 2008 votes; some of them were over 70% for Palin and some daft codger that was with her. Look at the crowds that Romney and Ryan are drawing. Anything can happen, I guess, but based on what has happened and things I've seen, it won't even be close.

Ignatz

--some of them were over 70% for Palin and some daft codger that was with her--

LOL.
I wish I could assemble an anthology of all of the good Captain's comments about McCain and his plump, distaff spawn over the years and send them to them for some light, late summer reading.
There would be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth worthy of the Old Testament.

Narciso

It's disappointing though that Mandel is having trouble against a garden variety troll like Sherwood, last time was frau brunner, who was holding the
Scale, now it's 'mostly harmless' Vorstedt, yes I know his name, but as a duke and dukes , I disregard him

Ignatz

Brown seems like, what I know of him, to be a far left, unpleasant snake in the grass.

Is Mandel a poor campaigner, candidate or is it something else?

Rick Ballard

CH,

Aside from the Kasich and Portman results, Ohio voted 54/42 in favor of the GOP for the total House vote versus the national House vote of 51/45. The political press is rather studiously avoiding the midterm results.

I can't imagine why.

Rick Ballard

CH,

Aside from the Kasich and Portman results, Ohio voted 54/42 in favor of the GOP for the total House vote versus the national House vote of 51/45. The political press is rather studiously avoiding the midterm results.

I can't imagine why.

JM Hanes

DoT:

I was trying to remember that very observation this morning when contemplating "Steve" and his bizarre collection of opinions!

Narciso

Ace's overnight thread, has a link to a blog called Letters of note , which references a little known by my lights, letter from Pliny the younger, about Christians, sort of the wikipedia of the era to emperor Trajan

Porchlight

Thanks, CH and RB. That kind of thing gets me from week to week.

DrJ

JMH,

"Steve" and his bizarre collection of opinions!

Forget about Steve. He would have thought that the Third Reich was not hard enough on "the foreigners" and isolation.

Moats! Alligators! Gas Chambers!

Sara

We've got a 7th century religion literally made up out of whole cloth that is dictating to us and we have the media running scared, the WH running scared or secretly agreeing with them, and they are trying to make all Americans run scared.

I'll go one step further. I think those who follow the false prophet, Mohammed, are the blasphemers against God. They claim they follow the God of Abraham, but this is a lie, because if they did, they'd admit that God's Covenant with Abraham passed thru his son Isaac, and therefore they are violating a covenant of God in trying to destroy Israel and the Jews (and Christians by extension), the true descendants of the Abrahamic Covenant. God promised that he wouldn't forget Ishmael and that great nations would grow from him, but the bottom line, Isaac got the birthright and God's promise regarding Ishmael did not say it was okay for him or his seed to make up some other god than that of the God of Abraham. Mohammed may have been some kind of pedophilliac prophet of a cult, but they've turned him into God and that is blasphemy of the first order. In fact, it is so important that it is the very first of the 10 Commandments: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Narciso

That was one of the interesting things about reading Harris's Pompeii, which was based on Pliny's correspondence with Titus, before he went all moonbat on Blair.

Clarice

I think he's a good campaigner and will pull this off, but he's young and out spent by a lot.

JM Hanes

DrJ:

"Forget about Steve."

I was applying DoT's reference to Johnson's observation:

"it is like seeing a dog walk on its hind legs. It's not that he does it well; the wonder is that he can do it at all."

Agent J

I still think it was satire.

In reality I know of no one with those views..Am I that sheltered?

Narciso

Meanwhile. I'm watching a recap of Revenge.

MarkO

The Talking Dog Walking On Its Hind Legs Effect.

RichatUF

Good evening all. Slept in late today and it's taken a while to get caught up.

Glad I missed the Sunday morning shows.

Amb. Rice, designated spokesliar for the regime, set out for clean up duty. I'm starting to believe that the administration believes that "the movie did it". Also, I'm thinking the blowback might not be that bad because going after "hate speech" is something that colleges and public schools do all the time. I find the whole thing revolting in the extreme but there you go.

Now on to $5.00 gal gas and wearing a sweater when it gets crisp outside.

MarkO

I was so ashamed I watch those. Now I feel as if they were art films. Thanks Narc.

Sara

I heard Josh Mandel speak at a Romney/Ryan rally a couple weeks ago and I thought he was impressive and from Mitt's response, so did he.

DebinNC

I think the OH ballot will include a question on whether or not to call a convention to change their constitution. Who's behind that and what do they want changed? Is it a union push to codify OH as a non-right to work state?

DrJ

JMH,

I was applying DoT's reference to Johnson's observation

It is a great quotation. I've used it often.

Narciso

Well there are some promises about Electricity prices and standing with the Moslems, he does adhere to, Rich

Rick Ballard

AgentJ,

I lean towards performance art. He might be a Ronulan/Buchananite but mostly he was trolling. He's neither clever nor particularly proficient but he did get a few bites today.

It's always the same xenophobic schtick so I'm not sure "satire" applies.

RichatUF

AgentJ-

In reality I know of no one with those views..Am I that sheltered?

He seems to be the reincarnation of a previous commenter who had kindly moved on-the focus on Israel, immigration-kinda gives away his foul stench. Or have the unfortunate experience of spending about 5 minutes with a Laroachite.

Narciso

Well there is a clueless faction at Taki's old? Publication, the American conservative, which finds nuances that lead them to support Obama.

RichatUF

narciso-

Well there are some promises about Electricity prices and standing with the Moslems, he does adhere to, Rich

Thanks for the pick me up narciso.

Wanted to get a sense of the media shows today was it all about how badly Romney botched the week? Were the terrorist attacks nothing more than background noise?

Ignatz

He's a Buchanan man. Said so before when he was here. The Ronulan's immigration and free trade stances are anathema to the Steves of the world.

Narciso

Btw, the Harding book on volodya's dacha, wad quite good.

RichatUF

Did the media even mention the bad jobs report (yea, yea the media riot had to storm the RR HQ) and QE3?

Bizzare in the extreme.

Charlie (Colorado)

Don't conflate what Christian missionaries were doing with other conflicts between Europeans, the US Govt and and native Americans.

Porch, I think you're agreeing with my point. There were good missionaries; there were bad. There were preachers who insisted that anything necessary could be done to the godless heathens, in the US, in Polynesia, and in Africa, and there were preachers who did their best to help them instead. And there are reasons Mormon missionaries travel in pairs. There were massacres by the Turks, and there was Vlad Tepes, who's still a national hero in Romania for saving them from the Turks by impaling people alive and nailing their hats to their heads.

The point is that humans have an amazing talent for finding religious justifications for being evil, and for being good., and there is plenty of history of battles, massacres, and mass murder in the Bible if that's what someone wants to concentrate on.

Sara

North Carolina: Romney 51%, Obama 45% -Rasmussen

DebinNC

NC unemployment rate is 9.6%.

Janet

Boston Globe tries to go to bat for our favorite Mexican Oatmeal Soup cook.

Narciso

Yes and Byzantine military policyleft something to be desired, what does that have to Di with Islam being a militant faith from the getgo

Narciso

So this poor put up on Doud youth, was an aficionado of the late Effendi awlaki


Melinda Romanoff

Rick-

Steve also whipped open the trenchcoat exposing his shortcomings in economics. He's a fixed pie aficionado.

It always trips 'em up. A distinct branch of Ronulan tribal thought. That and the Malthusian streak.

Melinda Romanoff

I broke it, again.

Narciso

It's rare that you find that level of ignorance in economics and foreign affairs, even among the Paulists

Janet

The Blaze has up a long post on who are Muslims & what do they believe.

Ol' Beck does a much better job than the MFM covering relevant information. Good for him. Perhaps it should be required reading at the State Dept..

Sara

Egypt PM says 'number' of US embassy rioters were paid

That's the headline, but you have to read clear to the end to get to the money quote:

When the prime minister was asked whether the US should make amendments to its laws governing freedom of speech and expression, he replied,"I think we need to work out something around this because we cannot wait and see this happen again."

Qandil also called on the US "to take the necessary measures to ensure insulting billions of people – one and a half billion people – and their beliefs does not happen and people pay for what they do and at the same time make sure that the reflections of the true Egyptian and Muslims is well [represented] in Western media."

Melinda Romanoff

narciso-

At a certain level, some of the Ronulans are just LaRouchies working on building their networking skills.

Narciso

An interesting fictional counterpart to Holland's documentary, is this tale by the Portuguese Dan brown, jose Rodrigues de Santos, only available in native language and Spanish, it offers the kind of nuance not appreciated.

Melinda Romanoff

Enough from me.

G'night all.

Narciso

Quandil seems to have been a little known technocrat, much like that other Nc state alumni, ksm

Narciso

The book is called wrath of god

Janet

U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice: ‘Spontaneous’ Libya Attack Was Prompted by ‘Hateful & Offensive Video’

Did she ever see the video? Did any of the MFMers ask her? What was offensive about it? What was untrue? Does she even know?

Every single Bible believing Christian believes Islam is wrong. Mohammad is wrong. The Quran is wrong. Will they come after Billy Graham next? Why not? The Bible says Mohammad is wrong...will she want to get rid of the Bible?

Janet

Reminder from the DiploMad 2.0 -

"And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there."

Welcome to your Embassy...under new management.

jimmyk

Pre-bias is irrelevant unless the moderator acts on it. And, any bias must be confronted in the debate, confronted immediately and skillfully, forcefully, to have an impact.

Yes and no. The effect of discussing pre-bias is to let the moderators know they are on notice. It's a bit like when managers argue with umpires. They're never going to get the call changed. They're just hoping to make the next call go their way.

OldTimer

The barbarians aren't just at the door. They're sitting at the dining tables of our gov't institutions with access to our savings accounts, and ready access IMHO to our national security secrets.

Is Hillary really this dumb? Worse, are we?

http://www.shoebat.com/2012/09/17/is-there-a-huma-abedin-connection-to-hillary-clintons-celebration-of-muslim-holiday-two-days-after-911/

jimmyk

And speaking of moderators, in case anyone missed, this is Netanyahu taking Candy Crowley to school:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/16/cnns_crowley_there_are_legitimate_peaceful_purposes_for_enriching_this_uranium.html

glasater

Sunday is the day I watch liberal shows Candy Crowley and Fareed. Can't take anymore than that.
So today Fareed had on Michael Lewis (Liar's Poker, Money Ball,etc) at the end of his show.

Lewis got to spend some extensive time with O for a writing assignment and had all kinds of access to the idiot in chief.

They played basketball and Lewis went into rhapsodies on O's gamesmanship.

Both Fareed and Lewis were just drooling over the wonderfulness of "the one" it was positively sickening.

But the point that Lewis made that was the most trenchant in the interview is that O just doesn't care or will not allow himself to care too much about most things.

There is something twisted about the guy that we've gone over. Lewis reaffirms my conviction that O's mentally ill and ....he's just not that smart...

matt

Dear Jihadi;

F you bastards. From Bosnia to Kosovo to Kuwait to Iraq to Somalia to A'stan our only mission has been to keep you scumbags from killing each other. Instead we get manufactured bullshit about some movie no one ever saw and you murder and defile one of our ambassadors and you re-ignite 9/11.

If you want a fight, let it begin. This time we'll take the gloves off. For every fatwa you issue we will issue our own fatwa. For every jihadi, we will hunt down the imam or mullah responsible. We will rain Hell fire on you.

From the 1300's to the 1800's a bunch of terrorists by the name of the Barbary Pirates terrorized the Med and Stephen Decatur and the U.S. Navy and Marines kicked their asses into compliance. Let us know if you want a second dose. We have had enough of you scumbags killing our people there to try and bring your 13th Century morals and mindset into some form of decency. No more stonings and acid attacks and murders. You have been fairly warned.

But instead our president somehow blames us. Screw him.

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