Paul Ryan, A Man Of Dubious Character

So Paul Ryan was inflating his own athletic prowess when he misremembered running a sub-3 hour marathon? I don't buy the notion that he simply forgot - a sub 3 is a notably good result, whereas 4 hours (his actual time) is, well, nearly pedestrian. I say this having run five marathons, with times ranging from 3:24 to 3:42. That was back in the late 70's and early 80's, so good luck verifying it.

Well, golfers didn't like Bill Clinton's casual interpretation of the rules of golf and I don't like this. Where is the honor?

CHRONIC UNDERACHIEVMENT: Geez, Ryan's time (his real time) doesn't even make him the fastest recent Republican Vice-Presidential candidate; from a list of celebrity marathoners:

Sarah Palin, 2005 Humpy's Marathon (3:59:36)

Comments

[Threadkiller]

I am sure he was talking about "composite" Paul Ryan.

[Laura]

I have a 2:56 best time and there is no way in hell you mistake a sub 4 for a sub 3 hour marathon. It took way too much effort to run that fast to ever forget.
Extraordinarily disappointing.

[Jane - we are not above it, we are it.]

The Palinization of Ryan is fully in place.

Meanwhile:
3 great birthdays!

HB Frau - we have to get together again soon - it's been a long time! Happy Birthday Frederick - are you 9 going on 39? HB Mrs TK. If your husband would venture out of Boston, I would know you by now!!!

[Some Guy]

I'm so disappointed that I'm going to vote for 4 more years of economic meltdown, undermining the constitution, and more libtard Supreme appts... oh wait

[Danube of Thought]

Very weird he would say that.

Back in the 70's and 80's I ran five or six half-marathons, all under 2:00 and a best of about 1:46. I know to an absolute certainty that I never ran under 1:45. If you have run at all, you don't forget this stuff.

[Some Guy]

I ran a marathon when I was 17 or 18. I don't remember my time *at all*, just vaguely that I did 'well' for a first timer.

[Janet]

Who cares....let me know when he leaves his secretary drowning, has a male prostitution ring in his home, uses a cigar on an intern, gets a terrorist to write a book for him, thinks an island will flip over if too many people gather on one side, throws other men's military medals away to protest a war,....

[Black Hat]

You know, a 3:24 is darn impressive.

[Clarice]

HB, Frau.

Guys, guys--it was "Business " minutes.

[henry]

I ran a couple Marathons in high school, no idea of the time. Heck I don't even remember my PB mile or two-mile time. I remember I was conf champ in cross country, but not the other races... times mean less than competing.

[MarkO]

Seriously. This is what they've got. He misspoke, at worst.

Under 3 hours. Easy. All I need was to shave off 40 minutes or so.

[Rob Crawford]

I don't get the fascination with running marathons. I know what happened to the first guy who tried it, after all.

[narciso]

He thought, he could outrun the Mama Grizzley, in the LUN

[Danube of Thought]

Well, with my own ears I heard Joe Biden tell a Naval Academy graduating class, "ya know, I was quite a fine running back in my day, and I thought about coming to play here. But then I heard they had these two guys Joe Bellino and Roger Staubach so I decided on Delaware."

Bellino graduated three months before Biden entered college. Biden and Staubach entered at the same time.

[Comanche Voter]

I'm shattered!

Here the kid is just 43 years old and he's got Alzheimers already. Can't seem to remember things.

[Chas]

Obama running sub 4 minute mile...

[Janet]

If the media is now concerned about politician's stories not adding up....maybe they could revisit Obama's story about Selma, or the Kennedy airlift, or typing Dreams in Bali, or his book bio claim that he was born in KENYA! How was that not a huge story? Obama himself claimed he was born in KENYA for heaven's sake.
You want to see someone run fast? Have a MFMer ask Obama to explain THAT on national TV.

[Janet]

Hahahaaahahaha Chas!!! Too funny!

[narciso]

How they would take anything from Edwards or Gore, at face value, is another thing altogether.

[Jerry Rigged]

OT- Interesting, got a call from some "Green" coalition or something...when they asked if my energy costs had risen substantially for my house, I said somewhat but not much...then they thanked me and hung up...searching for the "right" people to survey? Which is why I don't trust surveys...

[Captain Hate]

Hey guys, AT&T screwed me again last night by installing U-Verse for some n00b over MY SERVICE so no phone and interwebz last evening and this morning. Obviously this went over very well @ chez Hate; I was able to gather some financial compensation for it and didn't even have to yell at people to get it (which I did anyway after giving my usual "Don't take this personally because I don't hole you complicit in what happened").

And these people keep trying to sell me additional service?

[centralcal]

Happy Birthday to Frau, and Frederick, and Mrs. TK.

Bah - I feel the same as Some guy - who cares about the marathon?

[Captain Hate]

don't hold you complicit...

[Chas]

"A spokesman confirmed late Friday that the Republican vice presidential candidate has run one marathon. That was the 1990 Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth, Minnesota"

BREAKING: Ryan, not a grandma, admits to running in Grandma's Marathon.

[narciso]

Comcast gave a discount on a DVR, then when It didn't work, because they coded it wrong,
they billed me for the housecall.

[Captain Hate]

HB to Frau, young Frederick and Mrs TK, a very lucky woman if she has a good sense of humor.

[Captain Hate]

they billed me for the housecall.

Somebody has to offset MSLSD

[peter]

I ran eleven marathons in the eighties, and all I remember is that in my best time, I didn't break four hours, and usually took close to five.

[Captain Hate]

narc, did you see the Treacher meltdown @ AoS last night? I was just about to join the initial scrum when my service went byebye.

[Gerry]

You're a little confused. April 1 is April Fools Day.

[Threadkiller]

"The California state legislature just moved that dream a little closer to reality by approving a bill paving the way for driverless cars to be allowed on Golden State freeways.

The bill, authored by State Senator Alex Padilla (D-Van Nuys), was passed by the state Assembly on Wednesday and then given the overwhelming thumbs up by the state Senate the following day.

If signed by Governor Jerry Brown, Padilla's bill would legally allow autonomous vehicles on the road and charge the state's Department of Motor Vehicles with determining the standards for self-driving cars, rules which current do not exist under the present vehicle code"

http://m.cnbc.com//id/48861376

Thanks for using Johhny Jerry Cab!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsuOfieIG0Q

[Janet]

If you're ever really drunk in Calif. & a cop pulls you over....just crawl into the passenger seat & say you are riding in one of the new driverless cars approved by the Governor.
You are unsure of where the nonexistent driver of the driverless car went. Weird.
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*
...but whatever you do, don't get out & run & lie about how fast you ran away. That won't be tolerated.

[MattT]

Yes Paul Ryan has a long history of lying.

Unlike the FUKTARD IN CHIEF.

Who listens to these Commies??

[Laura]

Now after reading the Runner's World article it becomes clear. Ryan interviewing with Hugh Hewitt, amateur plodder of triathlons and running races, gets a little carried away and tells a fish story. I have no doubt he probably didn't remember his exact time, but am damn sure he knew it wasn't sub-3. His brother called him on it. So Ryan is a little vain regarding his athletic prowess. At 20 he most likely didn't even train for the race, if he had he would have known his mile splits to the seconds, remember he's an obsessive numbers guy.
In an ironic way I think he probably could actually run sub 3 now, but most certainly doesn't have time for it. We were at the rally yesterday at Richmond and from 5 feet away the guy is not just lean, but downright skinny.

It is still somewhat troubling, shaving a couple of minutes is one thing an hour is a little different. For all you golfers suppose someone claimed a scratch game but really had a 25 handicap.
My 2:56 was an avg of 6:44minutes per mile, you do not forget.

[narciso]

No, I didn't but I imagine he was justified;

[DebinNC]

Speaking of the liar-in-chief, Obama said today the most important issue in the campaign is: transparency. He then reiterated his "prez must be an open book" spiel featuring Romney-the-taxdodger.

[Frau Steingehirn]

The working title before it *evolved* was "Lies from My Father."

[Chas]

"My 2:56 was an avg of 6:44minutes per mile, you do not forget."

Where should we send your medal?

[Captain Hate]

No, I didn't but I imagine he was justified;

Not really considering he was lashing out with really ugly stuff toward people who were trying to calm things down. He finally got banned by Malor in the ONT. Just very bizarre red kryptonite stuff.

[narciso]

On a more serious note, they should kick Mousavian back to Tehran;

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/31/ros-lehtinen-iaea-report-shows-there-are-no-excuses-left-in-dealing-with-iran/

[pagar]

Happy Birthday to Frau, young Frederick and Mrs TK. When do we hear some more Frederick adventure stories?

[jorod]

He still couldn't beat Kim Jong Il who ran it in under an hour.

[Chas]

Obama has run nothing in his miserable life; neither a marathon nor a lemonade stand.

[Danube of Thought]

"No, I didn't but I imagine he was justified;"

Didn't what? Who was justified?

[PaulL]

I used to run marathons monthly with my buddy Kip Litton and I can't remember my times. It's all a blur.

[EatYourOwnMuch?]

Some hilarious comments here. Dude misspoke and corrected it after his brother busted his chops, and people are making this some sort of moral failing.

I am especially amused by those of you who are "damned sure" you know he was purposely lying AND that it somehow impugns his character. A man who took care of his grandma with Alzheimer's and whose biggest hero is his mom.

Y'all need lives, seriously.

[Clarice]

H.. , Frau!!

[Janet]

from the Sue the SEAL thread (where there are more B-day greetings)-

A Happy Birthday to Mrs. TK & Frederick..
& Happy Birthday to our Frau!! Lots of love to you! Ich bin ein Breitbarter!

[Voldemort must be destroyed. Sandy]

Hey Chas, like your image of Voldemort on the track.

WRT Ryan, he a good guy, went to Richmond yesterday to see him at the Rally.

He's a good guy.
This white lie, exaggeration, mistake, fish-story, whatever, but I think perhaps a man of his purported fitness (P90X, etc) was, well, embarrassed to say he ran a +/-4 hour marathon.
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As to Laura's 2:56 marathon, I suggested that she put that time in there not to draw particular attention to herself, but by way of demonstrating the difference in times, i.e.

3 hour marathon=6'52" per mile
4 hour marathon=9'09" per mile

Thus the difference between a four and three hour marathon, per mile, is non-trivial. Considering average walking pace for fit people is about 15 minutes per mile, both times are respectable. As Laura points out , you do not forget these times--if you have ever done the deed.

As to sending a medal, she has boxes of such (medals and trophies) sitting in the attic, which she acquired both before and during our 26 years of marriage, which, BTW, we are joyfully celebrating today.
So, in lieu of sending a medal I suggest you can either apologize to my lovely bride and then send a donation (in lieu of the medal) to the Wounded Warrior Foundation, or you can perform an anatomically impossible act upon yourself. Either way, I don't care.
But, if I hear you snark off to my bride again, I'll rip your ************ and *********** down your *******.
Are we clear?

[Jane - we are not above it, we are it.]

Hysterical Chas!

[JonInVa]

I'd more concerned about Obumbler forgetting his dutry to protect and defend the Constitution (rather than illegally executive order his way around it), then I would about a guy forgetting his time from 20+ years ago.

Nobody cares but you, and other libtards, who have no way to defend Obumblers record so you grasp at any straw (no matter how absurd) to deflect attention away from that fact.

Hope your hero enjoys his new life in the private sector come November.

[narciso]

Someone at the ONT ACe thread, made some one made an offhand remark about Jim Treacher's injuries, and he took it badly,

[Voldemort must be destroyed. Sandy]

JonInVa - who are you speaking to?

[I once walked 40 miles in someone else's shoes, for a Camel.]

Happy anniv., l&s.
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[Danube of Thought]

"those of you who are 'damned sure' you know he was purposely lying AND that it somehow impugns his character"

Could you identify those prople?

[narciso]

You don't get the Socratic and sometimes ironic method to TM's madness.

[Janet]

I think JoninVA was posting about my smart alec Jerry Cab post - ...but whatever you do, don't get out & run & lie about how fast you ran away. That won't be tolerated.

It's okay.

[bgates]

Biden claimed he had graduated in the top half of his law school class, attending on a full scholarship, after earning three degrees in college.

In fact he had a double major and a half scholarship based mostly on financial need, and graduated 76th in a class of 85.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Y'all need lives, seriously.

Are you sure you're trolling the right blog?

[MarkO]

Happy Birthday Frau, Frederick, and Mrs. TK.

Paul Ryan:

"The race was more than 20 years ago, but my brother Tobin—who ran Boston last year—reminds me that he is the owner of the fastest marathon in the family and has never himself ran a sub-three," Ryan said in a prepared statement. "If I were to do any rounding, it would certainly be to four hours, not three. He gave me a good ribbing over this at dinner tonight."

[Chas]

"during our 26 years of marriage"

Then I apologize dear sir, you are the one who deserves the medal!

[narciso]

And he plagiarized in Law school, then Kinnock's speeches, twenty years later,
and continuously spouts jibberish, like
'the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon,' and the doozy about FDR and the
fireside chats in '29.

[caro]

Happy Anniversary, Laura and Sandy! And I love,love.love your chivalry,SD.

[F for effort.]

Oops, chas, but only because she's got plenty already.
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[Captain Hate]

'the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon,

And don't forget "then they turned it over to the UN"! Meanwhile Lavar Arrington Gwen Awful didn't even register a galvanic skin response at that nuttery; and she complains she's not moderating a debate this year!

[Jim Eagle]

Will post on both new threads, but I am exhausted with after-party fatigue:)

Of course, all the planning and execution can never provide for the contingencies that always exist. 4 kids were no-shows due to a variety of reasons but the ones who came really had fun. We did an obstacle course, played "Sarge Says", had a grenade musical chair kind of stunt and then finally "pool time" which is probably all you really need to do - let them swim, do cannonballs, and have water gun fights.

Got a great camouflage cake at Publix and had plenty of Capri-Suns, Lemonade, Apples and Orange slices.

Now I can sit back and enjoy the fact that a good kid turned 9 and had a ball. What more can you ask for except the Legos, Nerf Guns and other neat things he got.

But next year I am turning this over to a bowling alley or a go-kart track.

Thanks to all for the HB greetings for Frederick. He is very surprised that people he doesn't even know would be so kind and thoughtful.

[Except for Papa Berenstain.]

Not too much birthday.
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[Ignatz]

Because of Ryan's outrageous statement Reince Preibus just announced that even if Romney and Ryan are tied with Barry and Sheriff Joe the RNC is not sending them any money.

[And show me his long form hard copy?]

Would the real Sheriff Joe please stand up?
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[Ignatz]

--Would the real Sheriff Joe please stand up?--

Just as soon as Chuck does.

[narciso]

Remember according to her, Chelian, is a fine example of political slander I mean journalism, on second thought I was right the first time.

[narciso]

Re the previous thread;

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/01/accused-democrat-sex-predator-if-it-can-be-done-on-the-hill-ive-done-it/

[Joe Biden Gaffeman]

YEAH? Well [email protected]$# all of you, I'm sure my I.Q. is higher than yours.

[Jane - we are not above it, we are it.]

Happy Anniversary Sandy and Laura. Boy that hit has really fallen down on the job!

[narciso]

Note the ever creepy Mr. Chance, providing his unique insight, in the comments;

[David, infamous sockpuppet]

I posted this summary of last nights to-dos over at AoS, if anyone cares:

EoJ socked an SUV running over Treacher. Since Treacher was actually crippled by the accident (an occurence of which EoJ claimed ignorance) he was butthurt, and began lashing out. There is a slight bit of evidence that intoxication may have had a role. Ace shut him down in the original thread it happened, Treacher migrated to the ONT, whereupon he began firing grenade launchers at everyone in sight, using such witty lines as "suck my dick" and "fuck you" to anyone who tried to engage in communication with him. At last, Gabe showed up and spent about 45 minutes playing whack-a-mole with Treachers comments, so what could have been an epic 3000 comment thread was reduced, through comment deletion, to a mere 1100 or so.

mpfs got caught in the crossfire, and she and Treacher both got an overnight banning.

As a side note, apparently Treacher woke up this morning alone on a web page in Kazhakstan.eu minus his pants with a tattoo of a Code Pink vagina on his butt.

On the up side, ace graced us with his presence and we got to talk about ways to overthrow the government and replace it with a true democracy, led by a hologram of Luap Nor.

In other words, it was a regular overnight thread.

[matt]

The older I get, the better I was....

[matt]

whatever you do, JiB, no Chuck-E-Cheese. They use the same Vegas casino mind and sensory tricks to force you into a state of extreme disorientation so that you will constantly feed the kids $20 in tokens until you run out of cash.

[Joan]

Extraordinarily disappointing? Oh, please.

[Ignatz]

Kindred souls:

[Empty Chair]

I do sub 3 hour marathons all the time and its easy because I have four legs.

[Thomas Collins]

OK, I'm a little behind on the milestones. Happy Anniversary to CH and his better half, and Happy Birthday to Frederick, Frau and TK's better half. Have I missed any recent ones, H&R, other than MayBee's?

[Thomas Collins]

As to Mr. Ryan, a male embellishing his sports exploits as a young man is quite in keeping with the male psyche. I'll leave it to the females of JOM as to whether this trait is common to their gender.

[Chas]

"Kindred souls:"

Lucky Luciano looks like Debbie Wasserman Schultz without the fancy hairdo.

[Porchlight]

With all due respect to Ms. Laura's running prowess, I really could not care less about this supposed breach of whatever it's a supposed breach of.

[laff trac]

"So, he Eastwooded. So what? It's not his first lie, and it won't be his last."

dubbydave = Comedy Gold!!!

(and my sides were just starting to heal)

[Rick Ballard]

We might be failing a TM humor test. Even drier than Eastwood - a minnow growing with each telling would have worked better but maybe Ryan doesn't fish.

[Janet]

Here is Obama's Selma speech again. It is full of lies...FULL of 'em. Before Paul Ryan is ripped apart maybe ONE LOUSY REPORTER could ask Obama about this. JUST ONE!!

[daddy]

Yes Janet,

Obama's is obviously lying, but that's not important. The new important talking point is "is Obama is more Empathetic than Romney?"

CNN and Suzanne Malveaux think so.

[Janet]

...so they are projecting the news for Monday? On Monday Obama will be more empathetic? How can that even be called news? It hasn't happened yet...
Good Lord. :(

[Dave (in MA)]

If "j-o-b-s" is a 3 letter word, then Ryan's just counting in veep arithmetic 5 months early.

[Janet]

I guess it sorta makes sense. Obama's parents were influenced by a Selma march that would take place in the future...& Obama will be viewed as more empathetic on Monday even though it is only Saturday.

"We are the ones we've been waiting for" makes sense now too. The story is already written.

[daddy]

What these reporters constantly do is prop up their champions by attributing adjectives to them that are difficult to pin down and that push the narrative.

Remember "Withering questions?" There was a time when Obama couldn't ask a question without the Media reporting it as "Withering", suggesting he was the smartest guy ever and had all these experts humbly and sheepishly bowing to his overriding intellect and force of personality. It was all [email protected]#t.

Remember how they had to provide the anger and lividness for his non-comments about the freeing of the Lockerbie Bomber? Obama never said squat about it, so the media pulled out their Thesaurus's and went to town concocting adjectives to stick in O's mouth.

Ditto "gutsy-call."

Then we come to Empathetic. A decent word, carrying a little of the college seminar intellectual with it, and here we have Suzanne Malveaux and CNN trying to quantify Obama as more "empathetic" than Romney.

I hate 'em all. It is Kafkaesque, apparently the only College Seminar term they haven't yet been able to attribute to Obama in order to elevate him above we mere mortals.

[Voldemort must be destroyed. Sandy]

Porchlight, it's the MATH.

Or as Daniel Patrick Moynihan was quoted as saying:

“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”

There is "work" involved in running a marathon. If someone thinks they are going to get up in the morning, without having done the "work" and run 26.2 miles, good on them. Let me know how they do. The athletes who have actually trained to run a marathon--they DID DO that work, they did the training. Becasue it is not of interest to some, does not mean it is not of interest to the millions--yes millions--of amateur athletes who go out and run every day. They know what it takes to run a three hour marathon

We, Laura & I, like--a LOT--Ryan. We drove six hours (round trip) yesterday to go see him in Richmond.

BUT, facts are facts and if there is anyone in the Republican Party today who underscores that basic premise, it is Paul Ryan.

So, when Mr Ryan makes a comment about an objective time, we're not discussing some sort of alternate reality, some rent in the fabric of the time-space continuum.

Does one earn a 1600 or their SAT or a, I don't know, say 1050?

I accept, happily, Mr Ryan's explanation.

What I have a hard time accepting is wilful blindness as indicated in some of the above comments, to objective numbers, just because it happens to be something not of particular interest. I always thought folks here were interested in facts.

Athletics is all about numbers--facts, for traditional sports like swimming or track and field. We get upset when someone cheats or the timings are incorrect. Why? --because we are comparing against an objective standard.

If four hours can be three hours, then a USD$716Billion raid on Medicare can be whatever anyone wants it to be--even a plus up to the fund!

[Voldemort must be destroyed. Sandy]

Porchlight, it's the MATH.

Or as Daniel Patrick Moynihan was quoted as saying:

“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”

There is "work" involved in running a marathon. If someone thinks they are going to get up in the morning, without having done the "work" and run 26.2 miles, good on them. Let me know how they do. The athletes who have actually trained to run a marathon--they DID DO that work, they did the training. Becasue it is not of interest to some, does not mean it is not of interest to the millions--yes millions--of amateur athletes who go out and run every day. They know what it takes to run a three hour marathon

We, Laura & I, like--a LOT--Ryan. We drove six hours (round trip) yesterday to go see him in Richmond.

BUT, facts are facts and if there is anyone in the Republican Party today who underscores that basic premise, it is Paul Ryan.

So, when Mr Ryan makes a comment about an objective time, we're not discussing some sort of alternate reality, some rent in the fabric of the time-space continuum.

Does one earn a 1600 or their SAT or a, I don't know, say 1050?

I accept, happily, Mr Ryan's explanation.

What I have a hard time accepting is wilful blindness as indicated in some of the above comments, to objective numbers, just because it happens to be something not of particular interest. I always thought folks here were interested in facts.

Athletics is all about numbers--facts, for traditional sports like swimming or track and field. We get upset when someone cheats or the timings are incorrect. Why? --because we are comparing against an objective standard.

If four hours can be three hours, then a USD$716Billion raid on Medicare can be whatever anyone wants it to be--even a plus up to the fund!

[narciso]

'Time travel,' someone says' explains it all, as with the new Dr. Who season opener, where
they ended up in Alaska, among other places,

[Raven]

It's not just running times that Paul Ryan lies about.

In 2008 he swore off getting earmarks (pork) for his district, as his doing so up to then contradicted his rhetoric about fiscal responsibility. In 2009 after voting against the stimulus, he said he wouldn't ask for stimulus dollars... but then he did so... then he denied having done so... but his letters asking for the money surfaced.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ryanletters0813.pdf (PDF file)

http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryans-love-pork-case-conservatism.html (and see WaPo link)

His earmarks and requests were to benefit his hometown Janesville & vicinity (Rock & Kenosha Counties) on the south edge of his district. Meanwhile he's done *nothing* for Milwaukee City & County, whose southern half is inside the north edge of his district, and which has been hard hit by the recession. That is, nothing other than propose cutting his own struggling constituents' safety net while redistributing assets to his rich out-of-district donors.

Paul Ryan's my Representative, but I'd cheerfully trade him for someone like (say) Ron Paul. Any takers?

[Porchlight]

I always thought folks here were interested in facts.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm interested in facts - and math - that are actually important. This is not one of them.

[Ignatz]

--Paul Ryan's my Representative, but I'd cheerfully trade him for someone like (say) Ron Paul. Any takers?--

I suspect come January he won't be your representative so you can urge Ron to move up to your neck of the woods.

[narciso]

Btw, who thought first, it was smart idea to invite a Bloomberg reporter to a CrossRoads
conference, and second of all, say something
so stupid, with that writer in attendance.