Back In Benghazi...

Jake Tapper breaks news of down-sized security in Libya:

Email Shows State Department Rejecting Request of Security Team at US Embassy in Libya

ABC News has obtained an internal State Department email from May 3, 2012, indicating that the State Department denied a request from the security team at the Embassy of Libya to retain a DC-3 airplane in the country to better conduct their duties.

The DC-3 would have allowed the security team to move more freely about Libya, with their weapons.

The State Dept response includes this:

When commercial service was re-established in Libya, the aircraft was reassigned to other State Department business. We use our aircraft when no commercial flights exist.”

Geez, could a security team really take a commercial flight and get all their weapons past the metal detectors? Oh, I'm kidding - the plan was to use commerically available charter flights, which still might take more time than having a plane on call.

Critics claim the withdrawal of the DC-3 was part of a pattern of misunderestimating the security problems in Libya, and not decisive in itself:

No one has yet to argue that the DC-3 would have  definitively  made a difference for the four Americans killed that night. The security team in question, after all, left Libya in August.

Presumably the departure of the security team was also part of that pattern.

Comments

[Captain Hate]

Has anybody at State resigned over this? I find it hard to believe that, even in a nest of vipers like State, that Stevens didn't have some friends that are completely outraged over this. Or maybe his lib friends have no sense of right or wrong.

[narciso]

Look who runs that section of Foggy Bottom;

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/29/obama_announces_thomas_nides_to_replace_jack_lew

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--No one has yet to argue that the DC-3 would have definitively made a difference for the four Americans killed that night. The security team in question, after all, left Libya in August.--

If that isn't meant as irony it's one of the most peculiar arguments I've ever seen.

[narciso]

From the previous thread;

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/world/africa/fbi-agents-scour-ruins-of-attacked-us-compound-in-libya.html?_r=1&

[narciso]

'Stay calm. all is well'

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201292816822975152.html

[peter]

Minus eleven at the Ras. Go Orioles.

[Janet]

The State Dept. needed to save money so they could buy some Chevy Volts for our Embassy in Norway & "a Volt-specific charging station at our embassy in Vienna, Austria."

There was probably a big catering bill for the end of Ramadan dinner too on Sept. 13th.

So busy with nonsense...they've forgotten what their real jobs are. :(

[Threadkiller]

DC-3's are not intimidating enough. I would think they should have requested Gloster Sea Gladiators..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Far_Fighter_Flight

[narciso]

Which happened to be on the 25th of Shawwal, as I pointed out on my own blog, Janet, btw were you at the rally, yesterday

[DublinDave]

7.8

[Melinda Romanoff]

0.6666666666

[Ranger]

Via Hot Air, finally someone in the press has the courage to speak Truth to Power:

There is no other conclusion but that President Obama deliberately deceived the American people to hide the fact that the nation had suffered a terrorist attack on his watch.

[hrtshpdbox]

Wallace, on Fox, opines it's only natural that Jack Welch and others are suspicious of the numbers; after all, they're Romney supporters, and this is good for Obama. No suggestion from Wallace that there might, maybe, just perhaps be any validity to the suspicions. I'm sure Chris can't imagine that Obama's team would engage in anything underhanded.

[narciso]

I've come across this pattern, to varying degrees, on more than a few years;

http://babalublog.com/2012/10/delivering-us-from-evil-one-inappropriate-site-at-a-time-sort-of/

[Jim Eagle]

7.8? Is that your IQ or The Won's bowling score?

[NK]

MelR-- I know they are over the top conspiracy mongers, but the ZeroHedge boys do know their numbers stuff, and that arithmatic is either hilarious or frightening, or both. Axelrod's the anti-christ? ... actually, that does figure.

[Janet]

btw were you at the rally, yesterday

No, narciso. I haven't been to a Romney/Ryan rally.

[DublinDave]

Jack Welch and Mitt Romney suggest that Chicago fiddled with the numbe...zzzzzzzzzzz

Hasn't America had enough of this Glen beck 'the beast shall rise and conume thee' right wing American taliban wacko party???????

7.8....7.8.......7.8.....7.8......7.8......

[Captain Hate]

Can we please stop pretending that Chris Wallace is anything other than his lefty father's quisling son? Replacing Tony Snow with him might have been the biggest kick in the balls that Ailes has given conservatives looking for a Sunday news show that isn't full tilt prog.

[GMAX]

Here is a little coffee to sober up Double Douche:

University of Dayton Professor Larry Schweikart told American Majority Action President Ned Ryun that the GOP gains favor Romney. "Although it is early, we will soon be at a point where--assuming Republicans vote for Romney--the Democrats will have to overwhelmingly win all the remaining early voting just to be even on November 6. But, given Ohio's voting history, if the numbers are even close after early voting, Obama will lose, and possibly lose big."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

WeeDavey,
7.8 stinks and the country knows it. It's not even Jimmy Carter good.
When it was that high under Bush your ilk rightly said it was a disaster.

[Rupert Fiennes]

A DC3? What does the State Dept think they are running, D-Day?

[narciso]

Interesting all of these target dates, have significance, which unlike what they told Hillary,
does matter in their calendar, the attack on the Bastion, fell on another such important date.

[Jim Eagle]

Goony Birds are perfect for low desert country like Libya. STOL capability, nice hard metal jump seats, Pratt & Whitney Turbo-prop engines. And you can mount a .50 cal door gun or two just in case its needed.

[narciso]

I see they only recently built this,

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e7_1311351340

landing strips being few and far between

[Chubby]

((7.8))

the parrot speaks

[narciso]

Hey chubby, how are you doing,

[narciso]

Some further details,

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/05/email-shows-state-dept-denied-libya-security-team-request/

[Chubby]

((7.8....7.8.......7.8.....7.8......7.8......))

good bird, want some nice fresh parrot seed?

[NK]

DC-3? who was flying it? Hap Arnold? Where did they get parts, a Mojave boneyard?

[Chubby]

hey, narciso

doing well, lurking daily

I'm feeling very confident about a Romney win, hope you are too

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If Barry is not perceived as winning the next debate, lights out.
If he is perceived as winning it, lights flickering but still on.

[Captain Ned]

@NK

There are hundreds of DC-3s/C-47s still in commercial duty and parts remain easy to obtain (otherwise the hulls would already be in the Boneyard).

I've had the privilege of flying on a DC-3 and it was a blast.

[Rob Crawford]

How good is 7.8 unemployment if it's primarily driven by people permanently giving up on finding work?

[Clarice]

Chaco on why polling is useless.http://pjmedia.com/blog/polling-theory-when-polling-is-useless/?singlepage=true

[Thomas Collins]

SHAMELESS PLUG WARNING:

On October 29, 2012, former CIA and NSA Director General (Ret.) Michael Hayden will be participating in a panel discussion on Defending Against Cyber-Intrusions from Both State-Sponsored and Civilian Hackers. See LUN for registration information (the location is Arnold & Porter's DC offices at 555 12th Street, NW; reception from 6-7 pm and panel discussion from 7-9 pm). The fee for the general public is $20. The discussion was organized by the National Security Law Journal of George Mason University School of Law, and sponsored by the International Law Section of the DC Bar. See LUN for a link to the registration page.

So why is that a shameless plug? Well, full disclosure requires me to acknowledge that one of my kids is Senior Research Editor at GMU Law School's National Security Law Journal.

[narciso]

What's the angle for this week's piece's.

[Threadkiller]

MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC-3 CLASSIC/VINTAGE AIRCRAFT FOR SALE

http://www.globalplanesearch.com/mcdonnell_douglas/vintage/dc_3.htm

[narciso]

Great News, T.C.

[Melinda Romanoff]

TC-

Do I know this "kid"?

[Jane - Mock the media]

Geez TC - your kids are really spectacular.

I still think it is over. 70 million people found out that not only is Romney not a horror but that he is smart, nice and so much more qualified for president than the current office holder.

That's enough. The people who are madly in love with Obama don't watch debates - they are too busy huffing and puffing.

[Threadkiller]

Congrats T.C.!

[Thomas Collins]

Mel, this one is the oldest. You met the middle one and the youngest. Of the two you met, the male just started a Masters/PhD program in political theory at The Catholic University of America in DC, and the Northwestern grad, the youngest, is in her second year teaching science to middle schoolers at the Rosebud Indian Reservation in St. Francis, South Dakota.

[Threadkiller]

" President Obama reelection campaign, rattled by his Wednesday night debate performance, could be in for even worse news. According to knowledgeable sources, a national magazine and a national web site are preparing a blockbuster donor scandal story.

Sources told Secrets that the Obama campaign has been trying to block the story. But a key source said it plans to publish the story Friday or, more likely, Monday.

According to the sources, a taxpayer watchdog group conducted a nine-month investigation into presidential and congressional fundraising and has uncovered thousands of cases of credit card solicitations and donations to Obama and Capitol Hill, allegedly from unsecure accounts, and many from overseas. That might be a violation of federal election laws.

The Obama campaign has received hundreds of millions in small dollar donations, many via credit card donations through their website. On Thursday, the campaign announced a record September donor haul of $150 million"

Sourcing at the link:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/obama-donorgate-team-obama-illegal-donations.html?m=1

[narciso]

And consider the category error, here;

http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/10/03/obama-would-have-sent-bin-laden-to-civilian-court/#comments

[Soylent Red]

That's enough. The people who are madly in love with Obama don't watch debates - they are too busy huffing and puffing.

Romney only need to present himself as a viable alternative, which he did. I look to the media reaction (not the least of which is being complicit in cooking the unemployment numbers today) and the reaction of liberals in my sphere as indicators. I won't say it's over, but ROmney dealt the Obama Campaign a mortal blow.

RE donorgate...

All of us who were paying attention saw this in 2008. The question I have is - What will be done about it? The MSM will bury the story, and the sissies in Congress won't press it.

DC-3? who was flying it? Hap Arnold? Where did they get parts, a Mojave boneyard?

It was dropped out of a tone emitting spaceship, piloted by Richard Dreyfuss.

[narciso]

I thought that only happened with the Avengers flying out of Ft. Lauderdale.

[dublindave]

7

[dublindave]

.

[dublindave]

8

[dublindave]

%

[Dave (in MA)]

Dubbo's posting his breathalyzer reading.

[Annoying Old Guy]

Dave;

Sure it's not his bank account statement?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

WeeDavey,
We're already voting for Mitt so no need to tell us how bad it is. Go over to some muddle site and let them know that Barry' has to trumpet a number equal to the highest number Jimmy Carter ever had.

BTW, wouldn't it be ironic if it dropped to 7.5% next month, which is what it was when the ol Peanut farmer got shellacked?

[GMAX]

Chaco tells you what the polling companies wont:

"...the one thing we don’t know is what the uncounted people think. But the one thing we can be pretty certain of is that the polls, with these kinds of conditions, are nearly useless."

If every person in a population does not have an equal opportunity of being selected, none of the statistical theory applies. Its ART, not science when you get 3% to 9% response rates as you dont know if you have equal opportunity or not. It may be the white married women with children refuse way higher than single unmarried women and thus the polling is skewed hopelessly.

[NK]

DD and DaveMa were both pretty funny.

[sbw]

Goony Birds are perfect for low desert country like Libya. STOL capability, nice hard metal jump seats, Pratt & Whitney Turbo-prop engines. And you can mount a .50 cal door gun or two just in case its needed.

Ooh! I want one. Just as long as I don't have to pay for it or for the operating costs. :-)

[Chubby]

the parrots believe it was a huge step forward when they learned how to say "per cent"

1 per cent ...

99 per cent ...

47 per cent ...

7.8 per cent ...

[Janet]

Wow, TC! Your kids are shining bright! Wonderful.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Cross posting.

The BLS' unemployment rate is calculated from the Household Survey, statistically adjusted from 60,000 phone calls to American homes. This is extrapolated over 300 million or so US Citizens. This month this part of the survey had a jump of 873,000 job respondents, where precisely two thirds were part time workers, to six decimal points, a statistically significant data point unto itself. Or, in plain English, like flipping a coin to get it to land on edge, twice in a row.

Now some history, the BLS doesn't conduct the actual 60,000 calls, themselves. They ask someone more capable to make those calls for them. The Census Bureau. Here's the fun part: What well known Chicago politician moved the Census Bureau into the White House in February of 2009? Why, yes, it was Rahm.

Not like they planned ahead for this, Chicago-style or nuttin'.

[GMAX]

Another tape surfaces with Rev Wright introducing Zero? My my, I am sure CNN had this one too, did they ever show it to the American people? Not to my knowledge...

Double Douche, you got a lot of fires to stamp out bud...

[Threadkiller]

Is this a percentages thread?

"73% of Republicans and 40% of all Americans are Birthers"

http://today.yougov.com/news/2012/10/01/birthers-arent-going-anywhere-update

[GMAX]

You know why part time employees would be rising? No benefits. What is the biggest costing benefit of employment? Health Care. So Obamacare is forcing folks to become part timers. I sure some douchebag can explain how this is going to make Obamacare more popular with the American people.

[Jane - Mock the media]

Anyone have some thoughts about what is going on in Iran.

What is likely to happen internally? What Bambi is likely to do? What the correct response would be?

[Melinda Romanoff]

VW cuts output target, shutters Passat plant.-Reuters

[Threadkiller]

" David Lowery says he believes he was threatened during a phone conversation with Louis Raymond, the Illinois political director for Obama for America.

Lowery says he doesn’t personally support the president because he’s not addressing issues important to the black community. He said he was explaining that to Raymond when the Obama campaign official told him, “You know what? I know everything about you.”

Lowery says Raymond added, “We’ve been watching you, and since you don’t support Obama, we’ll deal with you,” before hanging up.

Lowery filed a report with the Oak Forest police report, he says, “in case something happens.”

He says it was suggested the NAACP should automatically back the president. Lowery notes a non-profit cannot support a particular candidate."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/04/naacp-official-obama-campaign-staffer-threatened-me/#

[dublindave]

"Another tape surfaces with Rev Wright introducing Zero?"

Oh,no, another Rev Wright vid has surfaced.

What will we do?

[Threadkiller]

"Previous Illinois PaytoPlay (IP2P) articles have proposed that the U.S. Attorney’s Office (USAO), once led by former U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, timed the arrest of former Governor Rod “Blago” Blagojevich in order to prevent persons representing Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. from paying a bribe to Blago in exchange for Blago appointing J.J., Jr. as the new U.S. Senator for the seat vacated by recently-elected President Barack Obama.

A recent article in World Net Daily, written by best-selling author Jerome Corsi entitled “Jesse Jackson, Wright ‘arranged’ Obama marriage,” adds credibility to what IP2P has alleged; namely,that the timing of Blago’s arrest was not motivated by a desire to stop a “crime spree,” but was meant to save J.J., Jr., from being complicit in the crime associated with purchasing a Senate seat...."

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/10/05/as-obamas-cover-story-comes-down-the-curtain-goes-up-on-the-usaos-cover-up-of-j-j-jr-s-role-in-the-blago-story/

[Ranger]

You know why part time employees would be rising? No benefits. What is the biggest costing benefit of employment? Health Care. So Obamacare is forcing folks to become part timers. I sure some douchebag can explain how this is going to make Obamacare more popular with the American people.

And not just that. With the IRS declaring that 30 hours a week counts as full time for Health Insurance purposes, watch a lot of people who have been managing to get by on 35 to 39 hours a week work getting their hours cut back to 29. I'm sure that will go over very well with all those "under-employed" people out there. Thanks Barry!

[GMAX]

What will we do?

Likely bitch and moan about President Romney for eight years if I had to guess...

[Threadkiller]

Thoughts on Iran: http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/october-surprise-obama-secret-iran-deal-cut/

[Some Guy]

7.8

Yes, stand up a cheer! Your hero came running home shouting, "I got a 'D-' mom! A D MINUS! suckonit mom"

"Yes dear, but it still says you get an 'F' for the term..."

The emperor has no clues

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--You know why part time employees would be rising?--

Even Barry's Labor Department knows why;

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) rose from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.

[Jane - Mock the media]

3 new Ras polls: Ohio Obama up by 1
Florida Romney up by 2
VA Romney up by 1.

Ras said yesterday the full impact of the debates won't who up until Sunday.

[Annoying Old Guy]

GMAX;

I know plenty of people who will assume that because Our Leader promised them affordable health, if they don't have it it can only because of Evil Business People like Romney. Government decrees supersede physical law or mathematical truth in their minds.

[NK]

Ig@1:13-- I don't doubt BLS explanation --more p/t are created b/c people can't find benefit paying F/T jobs. But look at the Delta -- almost 600K p/t jobs in ONE MONTH. A 9% incrase in the TOTAL# of p/t jobs in one month. Plausible I guess, but not bloody likely there were that many created. I think Jack Welch is right.

[Janet]

Team Bielat just posted a video of a bit of the debate with Kennedy. I guess the other 2 debates won't be televised. It was especially terrible to lose to Barney Frank when we had such a great, strong candidate. Sean Bielat is really good.

[qrstuv]

I well remember liberals shaking their heads about the terrible economy when unemployment was in the 5% ballpark, when a much larger percentage of adults were working.

So Davey, really, do you expect us to be impressed?

[Clarice]

Just between us, I wouldn't credit the WND article that Jackson fixed up the Obamas nor the WND article that Obama's cut deal with Iran. YMMV

Narciso, I'm thinking of the master debater's foreign policy weaknesses and why the media's dream that he will rise again and shine in the coming debates is unlikely.

[Rick Ballard]

Jane,

Ras was referring to his tracking polling. The state polling is single day sampling with a 500 LV model and I've been reading the Ras internals are suspect. That does not mean the poll is no good - it means everyone should read the ChaCo piece cited earlier and reflect upon the possibility of partisan prejudice involved in the 10 out of 11 people who refuse to be surveyed. Include the possibility of partisan prejudice on the part of a number of the 1 out of 11 actual respondents (I'm a straight party line Republican but I just has to vote for Obama.) and the predictive value of the polls drops into the level of "earned level of obscurity".

[Janet]

On a 9-11 anniversary this administration didn't have the sense to provide adequate protection for some Embassies. How is the world can anyone think they are smart about protecting our entire nation?
They are throwing cultural dinner parties, having gay pride events, buying green cars,... What a waste of time for our Pentagon & State Dept..

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Ig@1:13-- I don't doubt BLS explanation --more p/t are created b/c people can't find benefit paying F/T jobs. But look at the Delta -- almost 600K p/t jobs in ONE MONTH. A 9% incrase in the TOTAL# of p/t jobs in one month. Plausible I guess, but not bloody likely there were that many created. I think Jack Welch is right.

Posted by: NK | October 05, 2012 at 01:24 PM--

I don't think you're reading that quite right NK.
Some portion of these people were the result of previously having a full time job that has now become part time.

[Soylent Red]

Narciso, I'm thinking of the master debater's foreign policy weaknesses and why the media's dream that he will rise again and shine in the coming debates is unlikely.

He's intellectually lazy and has no work ethic. Sununu nailed him. The articles about Romney's debate prep vs. Barry's "it's a drag" are all anyone needs to know.

BTW, this translates into every aspect of their lives. My oldest sister and I were trying to come up with one, actual, positive achievement Obama has in his "professional" career. One thing he did on his own. Between us we could come up with nothing. Even Obamacare was cobbled together by others and laid at his Affirmative Action feet.

Foreign policy debate? Obama is going to get buried, like the middle class under his mal-Administration.

[dublindave]

"So Davey, really, do you expect us to be impressed?"

This is a 'wag the dog moment' because I know for a fact that those numbers were fixed;the President had a horrible debate resulting in a large number of Americans beginning to view Romney as the next Commander-in-chief-and then BAAAAAMMM!!!!!! out of nowhere the unemployment rate magically falls below the historical number needed for an incumbent to get re-elected........are you fucking kidding me???????

We're keeping the WH, we're going to lie cheat and steal to do it and there's nothing you can do about it.

7.8....7.8.....7.8....7.8. Woo hooooo.... the American economy is back on track wooo hooooo.... 7.8...... 7.8..... 7.8......

[Appalled]

"7.8, 7.8, 7.8"

Sounds like someone is reading the side of a malt liquor can...

Colt45...it works every time...

[Melinda Romanoff]

Appalled-

He's on a Champale roll.

[Clarice]

Thanks, Soylent, that's the way I see it. His media hangers on are whistling Dixie if they think he'll get better. t's true American eyes tend to glaze over at most foreign policy discussions which the Dems take advantage of--talking in general unicornlala talk mixed with knowledgable sounding stuff like the name of the First Minister for Sewage in Bucknakedstan.But this time, many of the issues seem easy to comprehend --i.e., our Ambassador was worried and asked for more security but we spent that budget on Volts ,
He'll be nastier, but, remember, these debates are for the wobblies and undecideds and the cool, pleasant Barack, not the lazy, nasty SOB is what attracts the,

[qrstuv]

davey, I am glad that you admit that you would take criminal action to keep power.

[Soylent Red]

He'll be nastier,

Has to be. Fire eaters are demanding he confront all of Romney's "lies". My feeling is that he will overcompensate and go full Chicago style, the way he did when Hillary! had him pinned down.

I also think that this move has been predicted by the Romney, who will step up the needling and direct contradiction of Zero's talking points. The goal being to erode Zero's likeability, possibly pushing him over the edge.

I thing RR is playing a thought out strategy, whereas Team Choom is simply reacting. I really don't believe they would ever be in this situation.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

WeeDavey = Mitt's secret weapon. Wonder how many more moles Mitt has out there destroying the Dem brand.

--the unemployment rate magically falls below the historical number needed for an incumbent to get re-elected......--

Brilliant Daveyboy. Make up historical s*** that no one has ever heard of (since almost no one has had it over 8% in the last seventy years and the guy before that had it over 14% and got reelected three times) to make Dems look like lying idiots.
Mitt can't be paying you enough.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Bill Buck, Dem Strategist on CBS/DC, starting up the Romney Lied With A Cheat Sheet during debates meme.

[Soylent Red]

Make up historical s*** that no one has ever heard of (since almost no one has had it over 8% in the last seventy years and the guy before that had it over 14% and got reelected three times) to make Dems look like lying idiots.

I believe the actual factoid is that no one has ever been re-elected in the last 50 years with a 7.2% unemployment rate.

So Dems and MSM lap dogs better get to work on that last .6 points.

[TexasMom2012]

I would bet that some of the part time people have more than one job, so they are double counted. My son is a full time college student who has a job working 20-25 hours a week. That is not employment. That is textbook money.

[NK]

Ig@1:38-- yes the 582K partime jobs are the involuntaries that's why the count as EMployed in U-3 (Hence UNemployment Rate goes down goes down to 7.8% BUT U-6 rate stays at 14.7%)-- agreed. But a substantial portion of those new Involuntary PART-time jobs Can't be former full-time payroll jobs, becasue they would have dropped out of the NFP establishment survey or permanent jobs-- in september that went up a modest 104,000. To me, the numbers just don't add up.

[Rick Ballard]

SR,

Don't neglect the possibility he will perform at an even weaker level. It's like the AP decision to not do exit polling. Was it cost cutting or are they concerned an early report of Bad News for BOzo from New York will result in even worse news for him in Colorado, Nevada and possibly Oregon?

We're in the Fun House Hall of Mirrors, AFAICT. Everything is being gamed beyond recognition, 2010 never happened, voter registration advantage is meaningless and the Tea Party doesn't exist.

I wouldn't discount the possibility of an even weaker performance in all respects by BOzo in the next debate.

[Stephanie]

The cheat sheet that he picked up and used to wipe his nose? The one that he pulled out of his back pocket that was a hankie? That cheat sheet?

Obama picked his nose. On TV. During the debate. We knew he was looking for help during the debates, but who'da thought he would be digging for nuggets of wisdom there?

Saw this on FB about a 1/2 hour ago.

[dublindave]

"Brilliant Daveyboy. Make up historical s*** that no one has ever heard of (since almost no one has had it over 8% in the last seventy years and the guy before that had it over 14% and got reelected three times)"

So, what you're saying is that President Obama has a pretty good shot of getting reelected with a 7.8% unemployment rate?

This is good news-for Democrats!

[Soylent Red]

Mr. Ballard:

Trust me - I never underestimate Zero's ability to underwhelm. It's the one thing he's good at.

The Ryan-Retard debate will have big viewership, but Romney-Zero II will probably be way down. So even if Zero turns in the performance of a lifetime, the opportunity to impress is gone.

And short of Plouffe learning how to throw his voice, or Axelrod putting on blackface and doing the debate himself, I just don't see how that kind of performance is remotely possible.

[Ranger]

BTW, the last time Barry faced really hard questions in a debate was when the ABC guys asked him about taxes and Bill Ayers back in 08, and Barry quite debating after that.

So I now find it kind of funny that everyone in the press is shocked that he did so poorly when he just ran away from debating 4 years ago.

[Soylent Red]

but who'da thought he would be digging for nuggets of wisdom there?

I would have thought he would have been digging in his crack. That's where his cranium is located.