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October 17, 2012



"Candy Crowley: He Was Right
Moderator: Romney was 'right in the main' on Benghazi, but 'picked the wrong word'"


Nice of crowley to recheck her " facts" after the debate.

Dave (in MA)

My wife likes Candy Crowley's other show where she teaches little kids how to dance.

abad man

Sure I was wrong but no blood no foul


Uh-oh. Obama's stepped in it now, TomM is on one of his forensic timeline jihads about Bam's shifting Benghazi narrative. Neither Bam nor TomM will survive the experience.


So shameful. Candy should fire herself


The whole point of 'look squirrel' is to look away, the Library of Congress report on the Islamist underworld, was very much like the workup that Lake pointed out, was
done after the attack, complete with Facebook posts, from the perpetrators in part.

hit and run

My wife likes Candy Crowley's other show where she teaches little kids how to dance.

Hah! Please give your wife a hug from me.


Candy needs some private time and advice from our First lady.
I remind all of you that Too Much Candy also ASSUMED and TRIED to ASSERT that ROMNEY HAD CHANGED HIS POSITION ON ASSAULT WEAPONS. That part pissed me off. LIBTARDS never understand Conservative thought.


Tina. Candy Crowley is a LIBTARD. Why does the GOP allow itself to be metaphorically sodomized by LIBTARD BIASED MODERATORS???
Candy Crowley will not resign, CNN has delicious donuts in her green room.


"CBS Poll: Romney Wins 65-34 on Economy;
CNN Poll: Romney Wins 54-40 on Economy,
49-46 on Health Care,
51-44 on Taxes,
59-36 on Deficit
All in Favor of Romney



"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!: Crowley Admits Romney Was Right On Libya After All

Video below the fold"


Danube of Thought

The New York Observer [sic], via Insty:

:The president comes to town on a Monday, takes our money, shakes our hands and tells us how much he values the CEOs and innovators of New York. And then on Tuesday, he turns around and refers to business leaders as fat cat bankers whose success was created by the sweat of others. That’s not a friend. That’s not a leader. That’s a politician. . . . While we admire Mr. Obama, we believe he squandered an opportunity to bring positive change to Washington—and what change he did bring will burden future generations. We continue to rack up debt, buy services we cannot afford and allow unfunded liabilities to continue to grow. This has to end.”

They actually endorse Romney.



When the Hell did this thread start?!?

A repost, because I worked so hard on it:

“I heard the president speak at the time. I, sort of, reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we’d probably get a Libya question so I kind of wanted to be up on it,” said Crowley. “I knew that the president had said, you know, these acts of terror won’t stand. Or, whatever the whole quote was.”"

She forgot to ask Axlerod when she had the chance:

9/30/2012 (CNN) – Obama campaign senior adviser David Axelrod played defense Sunday on the administration’s handling of the Libya consulate attack that killed four Americans, while Sen. John McCain said the response was marred by “political overtones.”

On Friday, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence revised its assessment of the attack, saying the administration now believes the event was a deliberate terrorist assault, rather than spontaneous violence spurred by protests against an anti-Muslim film.

Defending the administration’s initial take on the event earlier this month, Axelrod said officials were making judgments based on the intelligence they had at the time.

“That was the original information that that was given to us,” Axelrod said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “What we don’t need is a president or an administration that shoots first and asks questions later.”


Even Axlerod had no idea Obama was calling "terrorist attack" on 9/12.

How many of his surrogates said Obama was thinking terrorists on 9/12, prior to tonight?


While we admire Mr. Obama

After everything else they say, puzzling they find anything to admire.


Meawhile, back at the ranch;


Tom Maguire

On the bright side, the inept Ms. Crowley may have given legs to a story that Team Obama would rather not have put under a microscope. Now everyone (except the Ties - I checked) will be playing the "What did he say and when did he say it" game, and Obama will lose big.


While we admire Mr. Obama = Bless his lil heart.

TM nails it. They do not want this front and center and that is where it sits right now.

Some Guy

Crowley also inadvertently set her own alleged objectivity on fire, which won't help O with the mushy muddle take away on the debate.


I hadn't seen this piece on the report


hit and run

"I think a fair criticism of Ms. Crowley will be that she took the President's side when the full record is far less supportive of the notion that he made clear from Day One this was a terror attack."
--stuff TM said (it's in the post, look up there at the post)

I'm afraid that it is often that a post is updated when some of us compulsive commenters misses it.

I speak only for myself using "us" as a euphamism for me, trying to blunt the shame.

Get down in the comments more TM.


Romney sons left without seats, audience gasps: What you didn’t see on TV at debate






Candy made this debate about herself before it started. She has embarrassed herself and CNN. She wanted to be the center of attention and now she is. She lied for Obama and got caught. Complete nonsense network.


""No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.""

Obama on September 12th.

Poor Romney. He'll need his circuitry rewired after this beatdown.


Axlerod's circuits will need a tuning too.


Post debate CNN poll--In answer to the question: "Did Obama offer a clear vision for solving the country's problems?"

61% said NO.

That, podesta, is what a real beat down looks like.


"act of terror" is to Obama what "is" was to Clinton

tweet from LI (Professor Jacobson)

Daryl Herbert

"I think a fair criticism of Ms. Crowley will be that she took the President's side when the full record is far less supportive of the notion that he made clear from Day One this was a terror attack."

The big problem is that she took the President's side, period (right or wrong). The debate moderator is not supposed to be an amateur fact-checker and debate judge. She wasn't supposed to take sides.

The fact that she was wrong about it only makes her look even more like a horrible, horrible disaster of a moderator.


MSNBC undecideds lean toward Romney. Hey. It's the economy stupid is really true.


It's funny. Libtards. PODESTARDS. Get all turgid, trying to create and win some PARSING battle, that the TARDS already realize they have lost.


"MONTGOMERY, Ala., Oct. 15, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Today presidential candidate Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, running as an independent in Alabama, and Hugh McInnish, an Alabama citizen and voter, filed a complaint in Circuit Court in Montgomery (CV 12-1053-R) asking the court to order that Alabama Secretary of State Beth Chapman verify president Barack Obama's eligibility – and all of the candidates -- to be placed on or remain on the November 6, 2012 general election ballot. In particular, the complaint alleges that there is prima facie evidence that both Obama's birth certificates are fraudulent, and that, under the Supreme Court interpretation, he does not qualify in any event as a "natural born citizen" eligible to be president.

The complaint alleges that under the Alabama and U.S. Constitutions the Alabama Secretary of State, having taken an oath to uphold both, must verify Mr. Obama's eligibility; otherwise a fraud could be committed on the American people and votes nullified in the state of Alabama."


Danube of Thought

Show of hands for Trolls (and you know who you are):

How many think Obama will be re-elected?

(Note: this question won't go away. It will be repeated on every thread). Records will be kept. Revenge will be served quite hot, and, in the fullness of time, cold. But in the short term and the long, those of you who raise your hands now will be subjected to intense ridicule.

Again: who thinks Obama will win?

Some Guy


On the morning of 9/11/2012 at the Pentagon guess who said the following:

So as painful as this day is and always will be, it leaves us with a lesson that no single event can ever destroy who we are. No act of terrorism can ever change what we stand for. Instead, we recommit ourselves to the values that we believe in, holding firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.

So it's a canned line lifted from a speech from the day before, and made before the attacks in Benghazi.



Some Guy, a canned line? Obama??


Some Guy

He can't even lie about lying.

Danube of Thought

"In particular, the complaint alleges that there is prima facie evidence that both Obama's birth certificates are fraudulent, and that, under the Supreme Court interpretation, he does not qualify in any event as a 'natural born citizen' eligible to be president."

As a grotesquely bloated Teddy Kennedy so ungrammatically said, "The dream shall never die."

Danube of Thought

Blast from the very delightful past:

"In a related matter, under growing  pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia  announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear  arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to  serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey  . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship  disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio's case is  just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of  Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as  president."

I am all in favor of dolts keeping hope alive. Is it too much to ask that they not infect this forum with these cuckoo hopes until they actually win something?


That needs to be linked on both Twitter and FB.

Ralph L

Crowley fell on her sword to protect Obama--she wasn't checking facts, she was checking Romney's assault on Obama's big lie about Benghazi. It was effective in the moment; here's hoping they both suffer for it in the long run.

Dave (in MA)

Romney got four pairs of Pinocchio's pants on fire.


Obama will win. Gus will blame the tards. Danube will wilt and mutter,"..but he's African, dammit,..fake birth certificate..",then Gus will change Danube's diaper and Some Guy will blame Obama for the rising price of diapers.

Some Guy

Does your mom know you're up this late on the 'puter?


Romney got four pairs of Pinocchio's pants on fire.



Podesta. You'll just masturbate like LIBS DO.

Ralph L

from Althouse:
Chip S. said...
It's gonna take a while for Candy to wipe all that presidential jizz off her chins


Here is the funny part about GUS.

I don't give a flying fruck, what LIBTARDS want to divert and/or argue.

Obama is TOAST.
Obama has already been SHIT CANNED.

I don't give a FIDDLERS FART, what LIBTARDS argue. I just laugh at them.


9:16: Obama, yelling, says it's "offensive" to suggest that anyone on his "team" would "play politics." "That's not what we do," he says, making eye contact with Romney, but then he breaks eye contact and looks down. Check the video on this. It's a moment.

9:19: Romney, in command, questions Obama about what he said the day after the attack in the Rose Garden. "You said it was an act of terror?" Romney asks twice. After the first time, Obama says "That's what I said." After the second time, Romney gives him a penetrating look. There's a pause. Romney raises his eyebrows in a way that seems to repeat the question again. "It was not a spontaneous demonstration? Is that what you're saying?" Obama bows his head. His eyes are closed. Obama looks up and with a little smile says: "Please proceed Governor." Romney gestures with his hand. "I wanted to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the President 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi and act of terror." Obama says "Get the transcript," and Crowley helps Obama by saying "He did in fact, sir... He did in fact call it an act of terror. It did as well take 2 weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out, you're correct about that." Jeez, Crowley is way overparticipating! And the audience applauds her!



There's a pause. Romney raises his eyebrows in a way that seems to repeat the question again. "It was not a spontaneous demonstration? Is that what you're saying?" Obama bows his head. His eyes are closed. Obama looks up and with a little smile says: "Please proceed Governor."

JEF's going to get killed next Monday night. He knows it now. He's going to have to answer THIS question and all the ones that will follow this one.


Wow, SG at 1:35.

Just a thought, could canned speech 9/11/12 also have been spliced into Rose Garden 9/12/12 ex post facto? I don't have sound on my computer, so can't compare videos.

JM Hanes

LIBTARD and SHIT CANNED must be Gus' drinking words.


Via FB:

Clem DeWitt

The Commission on Presidential Debates must immediately impose a strict, no exceptions rule on moderators: You will not imply by word or other, that a Candidate is wrong in an assertion. It is not your role to be a finder of fact for either Candidate. Failure to comply will assure your network or org will never again, be the employer of a moderator, even if the moderator is no longer in employment of the network or org. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCLUSIONS. Call it the Crowley Rule.


Here ya go:

JM Hanes


"JEF's going to get killed next Monday night."

If nothing else, tonight's embarrassment guarantees that Romney will be going into the official foreign policy debate with a mental binder full of Libya talking points, when it really counts. Candy and the Prez have inadvertently managed to tee this up in a big way for Monday night -- not to mention all the coverage between now and then.

I sense a rhetorical pyrrhic victory for Obama here. How many people tuned into his Rose Garden presser? In contrast, how many heard Susan Rice on the Sunday talk fests? And all of the other Obama appearances where he avoided "terrorism" like the plague, and attacked the video, from daytime television to the U.N.? A lot of folks have got to be shaking their heads over the palpable cognitive dissonance, and that's a lot worse for Obama than tonight's setback for Romney.


If I understand Obama's defense properly, he is saying he called the Benghazi attack "terrorism" in between when he went back to sleep after being told about the Ambassador's murder and when he flew off to Las Vegas for a fundraiser, and in any event several days before he sent the UN Ambassador to every political news show in America to say that it was spontaneous mob violence provoked by an internet video.


Completely missed the Debate, but I am shocked, shocked.

If I can believe what I am reading this morning, CNN Reporter Candy Crowley interceded when Mitt Romney was making very strong and legitimate points against Barack Obama, and Crowley stopped Romney in his legitimate and correct line of attack by claiming that Mitt was in error and that Obama was correct and was being treated unjustly by Mitt.

I am stunned to believe that such behavior came from a CNN Reporter. Who could have imagined such a thing? Simply shocking.

Jim Ryan

Barack Obama on the broken immigration system:

"I've done everything I can."

I guess he needs to be fired then.

Thomas Collins

Crowley's intervention for Obama on Libya wasn't even her worst moment. Crowley's worst moment came in picking the question on Bush. Axelrod couldn't have picked a question more skewed toward the Obama campaign.

In any event, the reports this morning indicate that Romney did well with the focus groups. That's what counts.


A very dangerous blog post in my opinion from Bill Kristol. Hey Bill, the foreign policy debate for a challenger is a threshold debate not one where he is expected to win out right over the President. He needs to show that he can be seen as commander in chief period!


This misstep will be the thing Crowley is known for. It reminds me of the guy who missed the big free throw or whiffed the important field goal or struck out on a critical play with the bases loaded..She should not have interceded anyway according to the debate rules and in overreaching with bad information----well, that'll be her epitaph.


This a great thread-- thanks for starting it so late TomM, and thanks for coming by to comment@12:47. The comments have been fantastic because they drive home the point of the real significance of last night' debate. In the debate thread last night I commented that the lasting effects of the debate were 1. Even bam supporters have to admit romney understands the economy and the focus and snapnpolls prove that and 2. The point TM is making in this threaf --now people are focused on the timeline of bam's Benghazi statements and response and that will be the top point at the FP debate monday. Both lasting effects are killers for bam. Some Guy summed it up well @1:43, bam can't even lie about lying.


GOP Rapid Response:

Fact Checking The Debate
Posted October 17, 2012
An Assortment Of Obama’s Lies During The Second Debate In His Desperate Attempt To Resurge In The Polls

Melinda Romanoff

It looked like iBama studied Richie Daley pressed tapes as part of his prep work. Still think it went better for him than not, except for that hour or so of lying through his teeth.

Will it play in Peoria?


The point is that Obama admitted last night that he knew the day after the attack that it was an act of terror. Yet 5 days later he sent Susan Rice out to tell the American people on 5 different media venues that it was a spontaneous attack in response to a stupid video. By admitting to his next day knowledge Obama has implicated himself in the cover-up. In coordination with the campaign to reelect him - the president conspired to mislead us.


Totally OT

I was reading Sax Rohmer's "Fire Tongue" and came across a Syrian goddess, who made me think of this:

There was a man called JimmyK
Of fish and seafood he said nay
Perhaps pre-King Abgar lived he
And ardently worshipped Ataratheh


LJM gives a nice summary of the lasting effect of last night's debate, bam discredit's himself by admitting he knew it was a terrorist attack on 9/12. As Some Guy rightly said, bam can't even lie about lying.





So, actually, Obama is admitting that his response to a known act of terrorism was inaction while apologizing to Islam and blaming the US Constitution.

Captain Hate

Another fatass who screwed up the debate rules http://twitchy.com/2012/10/17/yes-michelle-obama-clapped-during-obamacrowley-tag-team-against-debate-rules/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

Jane - Mock the media

Other than the Libya comment the thing that stunned me the most in this debate was when Obama said we had low gas prices in 2008 because the economy was going down.

First of all the economy was recovering (until he got in office) and secondly there has never been better moment revealing Obama's utter incompetence on the economy.

Captain Hate

Good point, Jane; the JEF understands nothing about the economy. If you drew unlabeled supply and demand curves and asked him which was which, the only reason he might get it right would be a 50/50 guess.

Jane - Mock the media

DOn't worry Capn' - she was packing while she was clapping.

Captain Hate

Btw some of the comments @ AoS are pointing out that on some of his rambling answers the JEF never answered the questions and that Romney blew a small opportunity to point that out. Did any of you notice that (yes that's an admission I didn't read the entire whopper debate thread)?


OMG, I though when he was bying the Alpo from 'Dr. Evil' and Norma Desmond was bad,
but that was anonymous, this 'removed all doubt'



I hope the miners in OH, PA, and WV were heartened to hear that Obama has not decimated nor wants to decimate the coal industry and contrary to their known circumstances he is increasing employment for coal miners not putting thousands of them out of work.


So, actually, Obama is admitting that his response to a known act of terrorism was inaction while apologizing to Islam and blaming the US Constitution.

Yes, and running off to Vegas and the Letterman show, sending Susan Rice out to say it was a spontaneous response to a video, and so on and so on.

Bgates nailed it as usual. Barry can't have it both ways. Either he called it terrorism but acted like it was no big deal, or he was consistent in not acknowledging it as terrorism and not behaving that way either.

Captain Hate

Sara there was an ad on tv here this morning from coal miners being against the JEF. I'd have more details on it except I was hearing it from the bathroom where I was vomiting after seeing John Glenn's commercial.


In fact, I wonder if Crowley's retraction was really a recognition that Obama looks even worse if he called it terrorism and behaved the way he did, than if he simply made a misstatement during the debate.


The other point about oil imports being down was a softball Romney missed. Oil imports are down because our economy stinks not because of production here!

Melinda Romanoff


If you showed charts like that to iBama, without even you saying a word, he'd ask if these were his polls.

Jane - Mock the media

Capn' it would be easier to count the # of questions Obama did answer - which I think is about zero - at least when he didn't lie. We learned zero about what zero plans to do in the next 4 years.

(He will be tanning on a beach in Hawaii)


Yes, we know he will make the same mistakes, but larger, this time let the House of Saud fall to the Ikwan,


Eli Lake's twitter, reveals the same puzzlement we had;



Lee Smith, reveals the larger problem. with our policy;



Yeah, if you keep moving while you're in quicksand, you sink faster. The retraction is just adding to the mess for Obama and he's pulling the MSM down with him.

Ah, a fourth one on the rug!
Communism/NWOtyranny/Islamic Jihad/MSM


Sara there was an ad on tv here this morning from coal miners being against the JEF. I'd have more details on it except I was hearing it from the bathroom where I was vomiting after seeing John Glenn's commercial.

Hahahaaahahaha...too funny, Captain!


Well the media is certainly doing a fine job of making their overt bias an issue. Does anyone else think it is not just a matter of similar worldviews? If bo loses, the media has blown their future marketability. So like Raddatz and Crowley they try to help before it ALL slips away.


I was off writing about the global phenomenon of using the classroom and so-called moral development to push this Common Good must come first and defer to the consensus of the majority. How can you watch that debate last night and not recognize the dangers of teaching schoolchildren the Group and majority will come first.


More generally on the debate (which I didn't watch a lot of, switching back and forth with the game), I thought Romney whiffed a couple of times. One was on the Bush question by the Obama plant Susan Katz. While the answer was ok, I think he should have disagreed with the premise, pointed out the Democrat-run congress and their refusal to do anything to rein in Fannie and Freddie, among other things.

The second was on contraception. I may have missed an earlier part, and Crowley interrupted him and seemed to throw him off, but he should have quoted the 1st Amendment and said "No matter what you think about contraception and abortion, ignoring the 'free exercise' clause of the 1st Amendment by forcing people to go against their religious beliefs."


If you support Obama, and you drew solace from last night's debate, then you know what it is like to be a Yankee fan, and draw solace that Robbie Cano got a hit last night, and is now 1-30 post season.
Fire the manager. I mean Obama, not Girardi, but you can consider doing that too.


“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” ~ Barack Obama UN speech Sept. 25, 2012

...why did they arrest the video maker??? Susan Rice needs to answer some questions NOW!


Yes, the notion that W was a bogeyman, was ludicrous, 'blowing out' Lehman as was done
at that time, really did pay dividends to this day.


The west coast JOM group keeps busy posting overnight! I just read Sara's link @ 1:01AM.The article is a behind the scenes look at the debate.For whatever reason,the Romney family didn't have enough seating,so Ann Romney sat with two of her sons and the rest of her "brood" watched off camera.Why would adult men be called a "brood"?
The media bias is blatant (Candy Crowley) but it is also subtle.
In other news,the earthquake knocked the Zumba list off the front page for now. Ha!


Peter, though I'm a Tigers fan, I like Girardi. He seems like a smart and decent guy, and I don't think he's the problem. (I'm not a big fan of Leyland, though now we may be stuck with him.) Obama, on the other hand, is very much the problem, along with the Dems in Congress, who have not just had a bad week like the Yanks, but a bad century.


Peter Doocey on F&F:

Romney had to debate both Candy and Eye Candy.


OT, how did we miss this, being Alpha Centauri being this close



2 great points, jimmyk.
On any Planned Parenthood questions I'm always wanting the Republican candidates to point out that our federal govt. shouldn't be giving tax dollars/borrowed dollars to one chosen business. Same with PBS. These businesses can exist...they just need to stand on their own like every other business.


"close" being 25 trillion miles :)

Apparently the star is so bright that it made detection of the planet difficult. Unfortunately the planet is even hotter than a Texas summer, not a good candidate for the JOM refuge (aside from the fact that it's a 10,000 year trip to get there).


Well Jimmy, Zeta Reticuli, where the Nostromo encountered the facehuggers is only 14 light years away, so I'm little


The author thinks Crowley was acting as Obama's teleprompter:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/crowley_obamas_teleprompter_substitue.html#.UH6oWzqVyFY.facebook


Thanks, Janet, though I just realized there should be an "... is wrong" at the end of my last non-sentence.

More generally, it would seem to be a sure win for most of the domestic policy questions asked, simply to say: "I share your enthusiasm for ____, but why should we be using taxpayer money?" Or "That's a noble sentiment, but our Constitution doesn't permit the federal government to do that." Or something along those lines. Romney did it with Big Bird, but I haven't seen him doing it with important issues.

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