Reports Of Republican Turnout Demise Are Premature

Inshallah! John Podhoretz searches his memory and provides a highly plausible answer to a vexing question, to wit, where did the Republican voters go?

As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.

I have more confidence in Mr. Podhoretz's memory than I do in my own. However, trust but verify!

Wikipedia gives McCain's 2008 final vote total as 59.9 million.

However, this cool NY Times graphic had McCain at 58.3 million as of Dec. 9, 2008.

CNN had McCain at 58.3 million as of Nov 17. However!

Yahoo preserved a Q&A from right after the election, with an answer that linked to the CNN site above:

Electorial Votes:

Obama: 349
McCain: 163

Popular votes:

Obama : 64,639,738
McCain: 56,899,510

Source(s):

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results…

Given the Electoral totals I infer that North Carolina had not yet been called for Obama nor Missouri for McCain. Each man received about 2.1 million votes in NC, so McCain's total of 56.9 million must include some North Carolina votes (or else it would have jumped by 2.1 million to 59 million after N Car was called.)

So, if current reporting has Romney with 57.4 million popular votes, he is running a bit better than McCain's immediate post-election total. Wave the hangmen away from the Romney GOTV effort!

EXIT POLLS: Here are the WaPo and CNN versions of the exit polls.

Comments

[Old Lurker]

Clarice, if you have Porch's email address would you send it to me please? If not Clarice, Hit do you have it?

Thanks,

[Barbara]

Thanks for the link, Stephanie @ 4:23 PM -

"The Unmitigated Disaster Known as Project ORCA" (see LUN) A must read.

That tells the tale, doesn't it. I would have expected better. This failure is simply inexcusable.

[maryrose]

OL; I truly cannot believe that letter.It is shocking what comes out of people's mouths when they are zealots for a cause.
The most heart-wrenching part of all this is that Obama won by lying, cheating and hiding information{Iran shooting down our drone and the details on Benghazi} He deliberately wouldn't answer Benghazi questions and I know if Romney would have pressed it more he would have lied some more. A despicable performance. How does a person like that sleep at night? How can he look himself in the mirror and feel that he is at heart a good person ? What are the Obamas teaching their children. That it is ok to lie and deceive people to get what you want. Someday his comeuppance will arrive.

[henry]

thanks rse. A couple of his articles sound familiar from the Org Behavior PhD seminars I was required to attend for 5 years. Utter garbage. Ugh.

[Porchlight]

Sean Davis@seanmdav

McCain lost indies by 7% in '08. Romney won them by 5%. Yet Romney received fewer votes than McCain. That's the definition of a GOTV fail.

If these numbers are right, that means tons of Rs stayed home. There's no getting around it.

[narciso]

Well Sandy a caveat, real financial chaos is an ace they have up there, with Teresa Ghillarducci, who wants a system of govt
guaranteed accounts

[Porchlight]

I should add - even if Romney edges McCain slightly when all the votes are totaled, it still means tons of Rs stayed home. Remember this is with increased R registration all over the country in the last 4 years!

[Threadkiller]

The Dems don't have a better GOTV campaign, they have a candidate who does what they want him to do. We never have one that does what we want.

Here is an example of a Democratic national and local effort that did not succeed:

PHOENIX —It was the toughest re-election battle he’s ever faced, but Sheriff Joe Arpaio won a sixth term as the top lawman in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Despite his lowest-ever approval ratings and poll numbers, bruising scandals, and a huge volunteer effort to oust him, Joe Arpaio was re-elected as Maricopa County Sheriff. And the 80-year-old Republican made it clear Tuesday that he has no intention of going anywhere anytime soon.

"For those critics out there, I’m going to say right now: in January, I’m signing up for 2016, so I’m not a lame duck. So I’m saying that right now," Arpaio exclaimed.

Arpaio defeated retired Phoenix Police Sergeant Paul Penzone, a Democrat, and retired Scottsdale Police Lieutenant Mike Stauffer, an Independent. Anti-Arpaio activists accused Stauffer of being a sham and fretted that he would siphon votes from the Democrat and help Arpaio win.

But with most precincts reporting, Arpaio’s lead was comfortable enough that the third candidate wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

Penzone, benefited from a huge ground campaign, largely made up of activists who wanted to oust Arpaio over his stances on immigration and treatment of Latinos. Campaigns like Adios Arpaio registered thousands of voters and engaged in huge get out the vote efforts for Penzone.

http://www.fronterasdesk.org/news/2012/nov/07/arpaio-wins-sixth-term-sheriff/

He wins in a 30% Latino county against a huge Adios Arpaio effort. The DoJ came down on him, conservative leaders shunned him for his birtherism, yet he still gets a solid win.

Say what you mean and do what you say is the only winning strategy for voters with morals.

Simple.

[narciso]

It's typical of the turbas of Sandinista era (1.0 era, in the 80s,)

[rse]

But interesting henry. This is to be ratcheted up fast. And people borrow for it.

I have a friend whose daughter went to the NJ Ivy. She was proud at the time. Now she says she developed political attitudes and contacts but little in better knowledge or skills. And the contacts mean less when you look at the sheer volume of degrees the major Ivies hand out and everyone then trying to get in same door.

A friend whose daughter graduated from NW ended up taking a job for half what parents had been spending to send her there.

And when I was in school it was 30 weeks of daily classes in 3 subjects. Norm now seems to be 24 weeks and not daily.

[Clarice]

Done, OL, check your mailbox.

[narciso]

It's a bearded spock universe, and we merely live in itl

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/dupnik-wins-in-sheriff-race/article_eca444db-c710-57a8-a733-3d2596ef5480.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Did jor give lessons on how to win congressional races in 2010?
If so I'd like to read some of them.

[Sue]

Ig,

Did he give lessons on how to win congressional races in 2012?

[Porchlight]

Thanks, Clarice!

[Clarice]

You're welcome, porch.

[derwill]

From the previous thread, Frau wrote this:

"This morning, my German s-i-l phoned us to commiserate about the election's outcome. She reported that Frau Merkel had already phoned to congratulate Obama but told the German media she was not encouraged. Her appraisal of Obama was that he considered himself in charge of the U.S. AND western Europe which she did not like."

We don't have to do a thing, except stand back and watch in awe as the JEF's narcissism and economic ignorance does it for us.

And that ORCA stuff, along with the voter numbers, is making me think even more that the GOP really did just dodge a bullet, if Romney and his people failed so badly at such an elementary and necessary thing as GOTV. It would've been just our luck to win the election and then suffer the consequences of the electorate blaming our party for a Great Depression that was caused by the JEF and the stupid Eurozoners.

[Rick Ballard]

Perhaps the firm responsible for the tremendous success of the Tea Party in 2010 should have been asked to bid on the ORCA project? They might not have much in the way of a professionally prepared pitch book but they seem to have had a reasonable level of success.

[Janet]

Wow, Old Lurker @ 4:36. Wonderful response. God bless you.

[Extraneus]

Thanks for the heartwarming story about the Sheriff's re-election, TK.

[Clarice]

It's my experience that in political matters committed volunteers beat highly paid, large staffs most times.

[henry]

rse, at the time, I was labelled an evil linear thinker for calling them on their bs. They do not welcome facts. We are screwed -- the four now billionaires I went to undergrad with all buy into funding this stuff.

[Porchlight]

Some cautions against the ORCA stories. First, the blame game requires a goat. It may be easier for a campaign higher up to blame ORCA or the GOTV operation than to defend his own strategic decisions. Just saying.

Also, if Rick's numbers are true, it seems people did go to the polls in OH and somehow managed to vote for an R congressman and not vote for Romney. That's not a GOTV fail.

Lastly, everyone knew who was on the ballot and what the stakes were. Some Rs found a reason to stay home even while indys made it to the polls and voted for Romney. GOTV is a lot, but it isn't everything.

[Extraneus]

Might have to start thinking now about preparing to fend off the zombie Dems crazed by withdrawal from the government teat.

Here's a good starting point, derwill.

[caro]

Great letter, OL.

[Extraneus]

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

I hope he checked bumper stickers in the parking lot first.

[derwill]

Thanks, ext--I've bookmarked it. I'd already decided Mr.
derwill will be getting another gun for Christmas.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Ig,

Did he give lessons on how to win congressional races in 2012?

Posted by: Sue | November 08, 2012 at 05:23 PM--

Haven't seen any.
It is kind of funny how similar human nature is across the political spectrum though.
When a Repub wins Dems threaten to move to Canada and Republicans are chock full of helpful suggestions about how if only Dems were more like Republicans all their electoral worries would be solved.
And if a Dem wins then Republicans are looking for an island to move to and concern trolls like jor offer their limitless expertise on how to win friends and influence people.

And whoever wins always knows the other side just needs to stop listening to itself, stop acting like nuts and rejoin reality. Then two years later the same dumbasses are in exactly the opposite shoes again with apparently not one shred of memory of what they said after the last election.

[Clarice]

Heh, Iggy.

[Jim Miller]

Uncounted votes; Here in Washington state, there are roughly 1 million votes yet to be counted.

(We are now an all vote-by-mail state, and ballots are accepted as long as they are postmarked no later than election day, so the counties don't even have all of the ballots yet.)

Right now, they are splitting about 58-43, so Romney will gain, roughly 400k votes just in this state.

[Extraneus]

Poll: Nearly One Third Of Americans Would Accept ‘TSA Body Cavity Search’ in Order to Fly

In 2008, the Department of Homeland Security expressed an interest in having travelers wear electric shock bracelets that would both track travelers through the airport as well as allow airport officials and flight crews to incapacitate potential terrorists. How willing, if at all, would you be to wear such a bracelet in order to fly?

35% of American adults would be “completely” or “somewhat willing” to wear the shock bracelet, compared to 52% who would be “completely” or “somewhat unwilling”. Republicans were more likely to be willing than Democrats, 41% to 34%.

Doom.

[Clarice]

BTW, TK, I think the chances of the House Republicans electing a non-member as Speaker are so slim even I'd post a bet on it not happening.

[Sue]

Ig,

What I have learned is we are all smart with 20/20 hindsight. ::grin:: I'm kind of Scarlett O'Hara-y...tomorrow is another day.

[JM Hanes]

Even if the preliminary numbers we're looking at right now didn't change, taking them as a significant reflection of Romney vs McCain as candidates seems misguided to me. Romney got 2.3 million less votes than McCain did, but Obama also got 9 million less votes less than Obama '08 did. The central question really isn't why Romney ostensibly lost Republican ground; it's why so many voters stayed home across the board.

Maybe they think Obamacare is a fait accompli, despite their resistance to it. Maybe they think there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe they went Galt before the election instead of after, as a lot of folks here now declare they plan to do. Maybe they have a responsive Republican in the House whom they like, but believe that taxing the rich really might get us out of the hole. Maybe they've given up on big gov in Washington, but still want to vote for their state officials --which could be a silver lining for the right. Maybe they've just given up on the system altogether.

The exit poll data, flawed though it be, will help fill in the picture, but we'll still need more than a Republican or Democratic lens to tease out the complex dynamics which were in play.

[Sue]

I'll tell you what Messina said about Obama getting less votes in 2012 than he got in 2008. Obama wasn't running against Obama 08, he was running against Romney 2012. And he said that a day or two before the election.

[Extraneus]

Benghazi documents available to senators only when they are out of town

Under pressure from senators, the State Department is allowing some lawmakers to look at cables and other documents related to the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, but only today and tomorrow, when most senators are not in Washington.

Democrats chuckle at stuff like this.

[centralcal]

I am really starting to dislike Christie. According to NRO, Christie called Obama on the telephone to congratulate him on his win. He sent Romney and email.

[jimmyk]

Related to what Porch said above, and I'm trying to get caught up: There must have been at least 5 million more voting-eligible people in '12 vs '08, so Romney not exceeding McCain's totals by more than say 2M means he really didn't do better.

And if there are something like 10M uncounted votes yet, how do we know who won? The difference in OH is 100,000, in FL about 50,000, and so on. I'm not seriously suggesting that the outcome will change (a lot of the uncounted will be in non-battleground states), but I'll be surprised if vote totals end up exceeding those of 2008, and even more so as a percentage of the VEP.

Finally, it's sad to contemplate the possibility that the party that wins a close election is the one who is better at rounding up the most homeless, senile, or otherwise completely ignorant people and herd them to the polls and tell them how to vote. We know how that turns out.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

-- I'm kind of Scarlett O'Hara-y...

Posted by: Sue | November 08, 2012 at 05:46 PM--

One word; waxing, although I understand they have lasers for that now too.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

-- Republicans were more likely to be willing than Democrats, 41% to 34%.

Doom.

Posted by: Extraneus | November 08, 2012 at 05:44 PM --

That could mean Republicans are more likely to be perverts or Democrats are more likely to be hiding contraband in a body cavity or both.
Were it possible to ask actual sheep I'm pretty sure even they would be less likely to submit to that just to get on a plane.

[bio mom]

Posted now at NRO Corner

Are Chris Christie and President Obama the new GeorgeW. Bush and Bill Clinton? From Bloomberg:

Chris Christie, who last year dashed many Republicans’ hopes by turning down pleas to challenge President Barack Obama, says he had one word for Obama during a phone call last night: Congratulations.

And Republican Mitt Romney, the man he endorsed a full year before the election, raised millions in cash for, stood with at campaign stops across the country and delivered the keynote address for at the party’s convention?

The New Jersey governor says he sent him an e-mail yesterday.

“We didn’t have a political strategy discussion. I said, `Congratulations on your win last night, Mr. President,’ and he said, `Thank you,”’ Christie told reporters today at a National Guard Armory in Franklin Township.

[Stephanie]

About that TSA search thing... I mentioned to an (ex) friend of mine that I thought they should abolish the TSA and she said she felt safer because of it. We got into a discussion and she wouldn't be persuaded. Funny thing is her husband is retire military in theatre doing IT work. She said we didn't know how good we had it here, that she's been through worse overseas and we were spoiled prior to 9/11. Any discussion about fail rates didn't matter. She likes the 'theatre of the absurd' just because they are 'doing something.'

She is an ex friend cause during the discussion my shirt rode up over my breasts and she didn't bother to mention it and ran inside to the bar to giggle and tell everyone about it. They came out and told me and she denied it. Then she accused me of being a bad friend for not 'saying something' to her that night if I was upset. Thank God she is moving back to NC. Bitch.

[Rick Ballard]

jimmyk,

The increase in the VEP was 6 million, perhaps 3.6 - 3.7 million votes if turnout had remained at 2008 levels. California and Washington are in no hurry to report their vote totals. They want the marvelous exit poll percentages to sink into the narrative first.

[narciso]

The margin of victory was much smaller, but also much more damning, JM, after four years
of utter disaster, it shouldn't have been close

[Extraneus]

Now that we know you can wear Dress #1, would you mind elaborating on that shirt malfunction, Stephanie?

[Enlightened]

"I am really starting to dislike Christie"

I'm of the same mind. Something smells in Jersey.

[Sue]

It was a clean sweep in my county. GOP won every contested race. Straight party vote was 73.1% RR. It was 77.2% overall. I cant even tell you how big of a deal that is around here. Local elections have always gone to the democrat. One democrat that lost was s well known attorney from a well known and liked local family.his mother won citizen of the year about 5 years ago. We've gone RED. I suspect it was removing God from their platform that woke them up. They always vote GOP on the national level. But remained democrats.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

She is an ex friend cause during the discussion my shirt rode up over my breasts and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bitch.

Posted by: Stephanie | November 08, 2012 at 06:03 PM

Wait. What?

[narciso]

Well standing for the GZ Mosque, throwing Schundler under the tracks, appointing an atty for a Hamas activist, to a judgemship,
that was a tiny bit of a clue,

[Sue]

Ig

Oh...that was good. ::grin::

[Rick Ballard]

Judas Christie is no longer a national figure in the GOP. Why waste a pixel on him?

[centralcal]

What kind of a shirt? Really trying to picture what happened exactly.

[centralcal]

Who knew he could be that "small," Rick?

[Sue]

Great. I post an exciting we've gone red post in the middle of Stephanie baring her boobs.

[Sara]

Threadkiller: As of last night, Riverside County had counted only 40% of the vote here.

[NKOnIPad]

What's up with Stephanie's shirt!

[Enlightened]

TSA cavity search - Um, no.

Not unless I can bring my own OB/GYN with me.

[narciso]

This is one ecample of why Kyle Smith's sky is falling act rubs me wrong,

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/movies/rand_old_time_for_ayn_adherents_yK8YmADIKXJ6ARzqRpPotN

He subsequently complained he didn't get a screening of Obama 2016.

[matt]

stephanie;

Anyone who has been to Israel has been through the most rigorous security in the world. Having spent a huge amount of time traveling in Europe and the ME in the 0's and 80's I remember the GSG's and security with submachineguns and the questioning.

Without fail, the TSA is the most degrading security service with the least real ability to stop terrorists. Ever.

[henry]

At least people are paying attention to this part of the thread Sue. I'm surprised Iggy didn't post a pic of "Stephanie", shirt tastefully riding up, from his vast collection.

*unless there is more to the story, the real Stephanie was not photographed in her embarrassment.

[Ranger]

Ok, this has been nagging at me, so I went back and re-read it, and I think this gives a window into how Obama is planning on handling the budget negotiations.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, Rick, let me answer you short term and long term. In the short term, the good news is that there’s going to be a forcing mechanism to deal with what is the central ideological argument in Washington right now, and that is: How much government do we have and how do we pay for it?

So when you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, the sequester in place, the commitment of both myself and my opponent — at least Governor Romney claims that he wants to reduce the deficit — but we’re going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business.

It will probably be messy. It won’t be pleasant. But I am absolutely confident that we can get what is the equivalent of the grand bargain that essentially I’ve been offering to the Republicans for a very long time, which is $2.50 worth of cuts for every dollar in spending, and work to reduce the costs of our health care programs.

From this I am concluding that Obama's plan is to run past the fiscal cliff. Let the tax cuts expire and sequestration to go into effect, and use the pain they cause to bludgon the Republicans in the House to give him what he wants. His target is "the first 6 months", which means he's thinking of letting higher tax rates and automatic budget cuts run until around April.

He has no clue that once you pass January, and those higher tax rates hit and higher deductions start getting taken out, consumption is going to crash. If he wants to hold out until April, we'll be shedding 700,000 jobs a month by the time he get's his "Grand Bargain", and it won't mean anything, because will be in economic free fall by then.

[James D.]

We got into a discussion and she wouldn't be persuaded. Funny thing is her husband is retire military in theatre doing IT work. She said we didn't know how good we had it here, that she's been through worse overseas and we were spoiled prior to 9/11. Any discussion about fail rates didn't matter. She likes the 'theatre of the absurd' just because they are 'doing something.'

And her vote counts equally to Stephanie's, or any one of ours.

That's the kind of idiocy we're up against. And our corrupt educational system and horrific media culture is making more and more of them every day.

That sort of stupid is even worse, in a way, than the "gimme gimme gimme" contingent, because when the goodies run out, you'll at least get SOME change in behavior from the takers. But the truly stupids...nothing seemingly will change them.

[Chubby]

ignatz, your 5:41, tears rolling down my cheeks, I'm laughing so hard

[anonamom]

And I'd like to know how dress 2 is coming along.

[hit and run]

Not caught up on the thread, but I wanted to thank Stephanie for the pic you emailed earlier.

It was awesome.

Now to go back and read what I've missed since leaving work.

[rse]

matt--I flew el al out of jfk in73 2 months after the war.

Every single passenger behind the curtains and frisked.

Taken from the terminal by bus to 747. Incredible security. Heard shellong in Golan Heights hile staying at a kibbutz. Then land in Rome where a bombed out fuselage was merely taken off the runway and left for all to see. Big hole up top.

henry-some of my posts have mentioned the extent to which this politically directed economy based on data supplied and managed by tech companies is based on people who have become predictable because they do not have linear rational minds and have been habituated to respond from emotion. So yes the tech companies are on board with this. The NRC is pushing this and insiders and vc's are on every panel. And consistently big blue.

I think your program was very influenced by Peter Senge's work on organizational thinking.

By the way those JOMers in Carolina might be interested in a page 8 Carolina Journal November story on systems thinking in Winston Salem schools. Reader sent it to me today.

[Barbara]

derwill @5:26 PM

And that ORCA stuff, along with the voter numbers, is making me think even more that the GOP really did just dodge a bullet, if Romney and his people failed so badly at such an elementary and necessary thing as GOTV. It would've been just our luck to win the election and then suffer the consequences of the electorate blaming our party for a Great Depression that was caused by the JEF and the stupid Eurozoners.

The democrats were saying months ago that the republicans did not have a good GOTV plan. Something to the effect that they dems had vastly outnumbered the the repubs GOTV operations on a state by state basis. Reince Priebus (never have liked that guy) made light of that by saying that the dems were counting every campaign office as a GOTV office. It appears that he was too cavalier about this matter. The democrats also criticized Romney's weak computer outreach program. (I wasn't impressed with it either.)

As it turned out those criticisms were correct. I expected better from a businessman who had run for president once before. I expected him to have a knowledgeable team and to be able to put together a winning effort. He didn't do that.

As you said, derwill, Obama will own the next four years, and they are not going to be pretty.

[narciso]

Remember those GOP inspectors booted out on election day;

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20121108_Vote_was_astronomical_for_Obama_in_some_Philadelphia_wards.html

[caro]

My vote counts the same as the Obamaphone woman.:>(

[Ranger]

Meanwhile, here is a warning shot from National Journal for the Credentialed Moronotocracy in DC:

Lawmakers Should Think Twice Before Going Off the Fiscal Cliff

I seriously doubt Obama is smart enough to appriciate this warning.

It's going to be just like the day of the Benghazi attack, only it will be the entire economy being burned to the ground.

[centralcal]

Well, now the media begins to report the unnamed adviser stories. Jake T has a way of revealing himself so fully that I never ever think of him as a "fair" or "impartial" journalist.

Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper

Adviser tells @JanCBS that Romney is "shell-shocked." http://cbsn.ws/SUf2Vz Amazing they were so divorced from reality. Stunning, really.

--------

"Divorced from reality."
"Stunning, really."

[jimmyk]

The couple of times I've been to Israel there was no frisking or invasive physical searches, just interrogation by people clearly well-trained to detect suspicious behavior. Surprisingly enough they let me in.

[henry]

rse, yes on Senge. He was a personal friend of several faculty members including my PhD advisor and our department head.

[Extraneus]

Argentina

Argentine newspapers and television programs provide a daily diet of stories about increasingly bold home invasion robberies, in which armed bands tie up families until victims hand over the cash that many Argentines keep in their homes. Many people stopped putting money in banks after the government froze savings accounts and devalued the currency in 2002. Adding to frustrations, the vast majority of the crimes are never solved, while the death toll is rising.

Inflation also upsets many, as the government's much-criticized index puts inflation at about 10 percent annually, or as little as a third of the estimates of private economists. As a result, real estate transactions have slowed to a standstill, given the difficulty of estimating the future value of contracts. And unions that won 25 percent pay hikes only a few months ago are threatening to strike again unless the government comes up with more.

[Jim Eagle]

Why is everyone here so surprised about Christie? He is not a conservative and only a YouTube sensation. He is the Governor of New Jersey, not North Dakota or Idaho for Christs sake. He took out the Teacher's Union because they were vulnerable. What else has he done that proves he is a Kasich, or McDonnel or Jindal. Zilch.

[NJ Jan]

"Something smells in Jersey " -- Extraneous

SECAUCUS?

[Sara]

I just saw this on FB, is it all true?

The following is a partial list of companies that have IN THE LAST 48 HOURS announced LAYOFFS. ( Thx Lynda) - Westinghouse - Research in Motion Ltd. - Lightyear Network Solutions - Providence Journal - Hawker Beechcraft - Boeing - CVPH Medical Center - US Cellular - Commerzbank - Iberia - Momentive Performance Materials - Brake Parts - Gameforge Berlin - Vestas Wind Systems - Husqvarna - ING - Ericsson - SRA International - PerkinElmer - Majestic Star Casino and Hotel - Center for Hospice NY - Bristol-Myers - Lower Bucks Hospital - Oce North America - Corning - United Blood Services Gulf - Atlantic Lottery Corporation - Welch Allyn - Dana Holding - Stryker - Boston Scientific - Medtronic - Smith & Nephew - Abbott Labs - Covidien - Kinetic Concepts - St. Jude - Hill Rom - Darden Restaurants - JANCOA - Kroger - Caterpillar - Alcatel-Lucent - Umatilla Chemical - Rocketdyne

Merry Christmas.

[Sara]

Bret Baier: Most accurate polling was done by PPP, least accurate, Rasmussen and Gallop.

[Jim Miller]

Off topic, but possibly interesting. According to anonymous sources, Jesse Jackson, Jr. used campaign money to buy a 40K Rolex for a female friend.

The size of the gift has me wondering. Could this be a blackmail payoff?

[henry]

Sara, Boeing certainly. None of the rest would surprise me.

[narciso]

So derwill was on to something ealier, this obsession with zombie films from Romero to the Walking Dead, was a presaging of the mob,
that rampahed on Tuesday, if 2010 was in part
qa Tea Party election then 2012, by default was an OWS one, Warren, Brown, Baldwin, it's like the People's Court lineup in the last Batman outing,

[Jim Eagle]

jimmyk,

I forgot my easy entry passport once and had to hand in my ME travel passport including permanent resident visas to SA, UAE and Kuwait. Whoa Nellie. The girl at the window stamped it let me through so I could be confronted by 3 "kids" in khaki and white golf shirts. No one is more polite, courteous and friendly then Israel security. Questions so sharp I thought there must be a sharpening stone hidden in their cerebral region.

Finally, got through after we all had a big laugh at my mistake and a half hour of enhanced questioning technique. No one in the world does profiling like the Israelis because their lives depend on it.

[Sara]

Occulus Dissents

[Note: Robert Oculus has written a long responsive comment on the AMERICAN DIGEST item "The Common Sense Resistance" -- Tonight was the Night That Freed America. Unlike many others in the discussion thread, he doesn't buy it. His is a different take on the matter. It's presented here in full. I don't think he's speaking only for himself.]

[NJ Jan]

Oops that's Enlightened. Sorry. The 2013 Governor 's race in NJ
May be between Christie and Booker. What a delightful choice to look forward to.

[Sara]

Yes, Boeing:

Adios California Boeing to shutter plants

[Janet]

I loved this post on the last long thread -

"I think my plan, besides increasing my emergency supplies, will be to be more vocal. Point out it is Obama's fault when people complain about prices. Point out how many birds windmills kill.

People may be stupid, but we need to teach them to fish. So to speak.
If people never hear the truth, they will never know the truth.
It is my belief that if we desire to change the world we must change it in the three feet around us every day. I started today."

Posted by: Abadman | November 07, 2012 at 08:17 PM

[Extraneus]

I don't think Christie ever intended to run for re-election. His plan was to land a big job in a Romney administration. Then, when the hurricane hit, strutting around in his monogrammed Governor jacket, he decided to try to play both sides, just in case. And now he's stuck, and will almost certainly lose.

Poor guy.

[Jim Eagle]

Coming soon to an America near you?

Damn, I hope so but I doubt Odummy has the same guts that Cameron has to ask for it. But it would make great theater.

[Extraneus]

Did we chase Stephanie away with questions about the wardrobe malfunction?

[henry]

Wow JiB, that is unexpected.

[Barbara]

OT - It's raining. Free water.

[Extraneus]

With his big mouth and moral authority, Christie was in a position to take Obama out. He flinched, and now he'll second guess himself until the end of his days.

Poor guy.

[Captain Hate]

OL, I said goodbye to the Episcopal church a long time ago; even before that shithead Rowan drove it straight to dhimmified Hell. Too bad because the liturgy is beautiful and the National Cathedral is majestic. But they made their pact with the lib devil and that's all this altar boy needed to see.

[Captain Hate]

Tammy Bruce had fat boy figured out a long time ago.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Did we chase Stephanie away with questions about the wardrobe malfunction?

Posted by: Extraneus | November 08, 2012 at 07:26 PM-

Stephanie doesn't strike me as someone easily chased away from anything.

[Extraneus]

He'll never make up for the Republican votes he lost with those of Democrats.

...

Poor guy.

[Extraneus]

I was just kidding, Ig. She'd sooner post a pic than shy away from that.

[Extraneus]

She's probably waiting for cc to get home from work.

[Janet]

OT for Frau -

"Man walks down the street in a hat like that, you know he's not afraid of anything." ~ Wash

[narciso]

You know this 'toads the wet sprocket' it's as if no lesson is learned, Santayana is just doing Capoiera