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November 08, 2012

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Clarice

Jane, political change takes forever with lots of ups and downs along the way and even when you "win" it's only temporary.

Army of Davids

post by derwill spot on...


The problem the Democrats face, along with the Socialists in Europe, is that they are caught in their own death spiral. You reach a point where too much government debt stifles economic growth, which in turn requires you take on even more government debt and print money to make your payroll of the bludgeoning identity groups hooked on the government teat, but even more debt and money printing stifles growth even more, etc, etc, and with each downward movement in the spiral, the government pie gets smaller and smaller, while all those identity groups that you've been fostering and feeding with envy and hate start to turn on each other. And you.

And then there comes the day when the whole rotten house of cards collapses entirely and you've got Greece, where the doctors haven't been paid in May and people are abandoning their children in streets aflame with rioting tax collectors who've been on strike for months now.

Two days past the election and look at what's already happening here. Stock market going down, big layoffs at Boeing, FEMA abandoning hurricane victims who are now in danger of freezing to death . . . And Europe, who put off doing anything about their own looming fiscal cliff in order to help reelect the JEF is now discovering that the intervening months of doing nothing has only made their situation even more unsolvable.

I think we might come to realize soon that the Republican party as whole dodged a bullet on Tuesday, if the bad recession (if not an outright collapse) that is coming has already been baked into the cake. Romney is a smart, capable man, but some problems get to the point where they are unfixable.

The Dems caused the mess that is coming, so let them eat it.


- Obama and Democrats get to sleep in their own crap.

- Just wish we didn't have to sleep in it w/ them.

Captain Hate

Here's a copyright violated Strassel article: Republicans had a bad night on Tuesday, though it is worth remembering that there are different gradations of bad. At one level, there is the disappointing failure of Mitt Romney to win the presidency. At another, there is the professional malpractice that once again lost Republicans control of the Senate.

The two deserve separation. Mr. Romney made his share of mistakes, though he was ultimately defeated by an Obama campaign that ground out a narrow turnout victory in battleground states. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, by contrast, lost everywhere, in states primed for a GOP victory, to middling Democratic candidates, and in the face of a decent night for the House GOP.

Of the 23 Democratic Senate seats in play, Republicans won . . . one. The party further managed to lose three of its own seats—leaving it with just 45 members in the chamber. Not one Democratic incumbent lost a seat.

This epic fail has its roots in the 2008 election, which was the opening shot in what became all-out war between the NRSC and the grass roots—a war that has left conservatives overall with no coherent Senate strategy.

Preoccupied throughout the 2008 cycle with containing a looming marital scandal, former NRSC Chairman John Ensign presided over a five-seat Republican loss that set the stage for President Obama's filibuster-proof majority. An equal embarrassment was the NRSC's failure to field decent candidates in opportunity seats—including Colorado, Louisiana, Montana, New Mexico, South Dakota, Arkansas and Virginia.

The bungling stirred the rage of the tea party—which had a special focus on getting free-market Republican candidates elected—and the anger erupted afresh when new NRSC Chairman John Cornyn threw in behind some of the party's least-inspiring figures. Those included Charlie Crist in Florida (over Marco Rubio) and Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania (over Pat Toomey).

The blowback was enormous, and it inspired Mr. Cornyn to make a change: No longer would the NRSC endorse or fund candidates in open-seat primaries. While that all sounds democratic in theory, one effect this time around was the sort of lawless Republican Senate primary seen in Missouri.

That state is where Sen. Claire McCaskill was perhaps the most vulnerable Democrat this cycle. Republican Rep. Todd Akin was an election disaster waiting to happen, with a history of controversial remarks and a ramshackle campaign. Democrats knew it and spent $1.5 million promoting Mr. Akin in his three-way primary—ultimately spending more to get him the nomination than he did. The NRSC stood by, watching him coast to primary victory, then staying with him right up to his "legitimate rape" comments.

The NRSC's recruitment efforts were equally dismal. In Virginia, Republicans resurrected George Allen, whose phlegmatic campaign was outmatched by a nimble Tim Kaine. In Montana, the NRSC got Rep. Denny Rehberg, whose first bet was to sell out his own party on Medicare reform with ads trashing Paul Ryan. In a state where 55% of voters voted for Mr. Romney (and his Medicare reforms), Mr. Rehberg lost to incumbent Jon Tester.

In North Dakota (Romney 58%, and where the GOP holds all nine state elected offices and supermajorities in both houses of the legislature), Republicans fielded Rep. Rick Berg, who failed to ignite enthusiasm among even his own base. He lost one of the GOP's best pickup shots in 2012.

Speaking of recruitment, this has also been the big fail of the grass roots. Nobody quibbles with the right of the Club for Growth or FreedomWorks to put forward primary challengers—though it would be useful if they backed candidates who could win. The Club's Richard Mourdock (who defeated Dick Lugar in a primary) was desperately struggling to hold his own in Indiana even before his own "rape" comments.

The grass roots in Wisconsin meanwhile inexplicably backed Mark Neumann—who as a congressman in the 1990s was hostile to tax cuts. The voters rejected him in a bitter primary, but not before Mr. Neumann had hobbled rival Tommy Thompson ahead of his race against Democrat Tammy Baldwin. The Club this year can't even lay claim to the GOP's one big conservative victory—Deb Fischer in Nebraska—since they backed her primary opponent, Don Stenberg, a three-time Senate loser.

The liberal line this week is that the Senate meltdown is more proof that voters rejected the GOP agenda. Nonsense. One untold story of Tuesday night was the continued Republican success at the gubernatorial level, where they held every seat up for re-election, and won North Carolina. They now hold 30 states—the biggest majority for a party in 12 years.

The majority of these offices are held by reform Republicans who were elected on the pro-growth GOP platform on spending and taxes. Voters are clearly open to that message, if delivered competently. It is true that Mr. Obama's superior turnout operation made things harder for Republicans in hard-fought states such as Ohio and Florida. But the GOP's bigger problem was a failure of candidates. In 11 states, the Republican Senate candidate underperformed Mr. Romney.

Mr. Cornyn's ultimate replacement at the head of the NRSC might consider this recent history, and whether there isn't some way for the committee and the grass roots to work together toward top-notch nominees. With the recent influx of talented young reformers, this should be a time of opportunity, not failure.

hit and run

Jane:
I found my original "Jane! Won sign, created by Windy Daze and signed by Mark Steyn who wrote "It's true". Those were the days!

I think your memory of what that sign really says is faulty.


rse

On the no hope, the very fact that the ed institutions, K-12 and higher ed, are running with these transformative changes designed to deemphasize the intellect in a way that is hard to miss is not going to help.

Nothing like a "we can't be stopped" attitude when it comes to people's childrens to throw off plans that looked good on paper. To build coalitions. I'll be willing to bet a substantial number of those parents who could not understand why they were lied to and why no one cares about the predicted overcrowding were celebrating Tuesday. Glad to be part of the Enlightened.

No way is that adjacent newly built elem school going to stay 97% minority, mostly low income because it pulled together most of the apt dwellers. I must say I am so glad my youngest is in high school where the amount of damage is limited to annoying and boring for the most part.

There are quite a few bo voters who are likely to come to see the state as predatory when they recognize what is in store for their children. Which is hard to miss now if you go to meetings precisely because there is a sense of impregnability.

Jim Eagle

I am late to most of this thread since early last night but I want to know who suggested that Palin was a reason Romney lost? Can someone point out the time and date of that comment so I can see it personally?

Sue

Does anyone know if federal agencies are still buying up ammunition?

Sue

Romney was absolutely the best choice and since we are all human, no one runs an almost flawless campaign.

The dems had a 9 mo. start because we played around with that stupid primary. The dems knew Romney was the target from Day One and started defining him as a felon, a murderer, and all kinds of other things while he was still having to deal with the likes of Santorum and Gingrich, who were happily feeding the other side their negative fodder.

This won't make me any friends here, but I've got to say it. I blame the ABO crowd, led by Sarah Palin, who I don't think I will ever forgive. And I was at one time her biggest fan.

Posted by: Sara | November 09, 2012 at 02:34 AM

Jane - Mock the media

That's funny Hit. You know I get get a pix of "Hit lost" next week too. So watch out!

Appalled

The Jim Rhoads approach to the fiscal cliff (cited by Sandy Daze in his 5:55 AM)is interesting. It amounts to having th GOP go Galt on the budget issue, and leaving the DEmocrats to get the anticipated blame. Interesting. Problem is that the left's tendency to make it very difficult for Conservatives to unwind what they do may make it impossible to fully implement. (I don't think Boehner wants to be given the responsibility of allowing some big )program out of nowhere to pass.)

But it is an interesting idea. It keeps immediate catastrophe from occurring, and having GOP fingerprints all over it. Whether you get total economic disaster in two years, however, is a question.

Of course, the idea that I like the idea ought to make you awfully suspicious. Maybe Bunkerbuster and DublinDave can join me in endorsing it...

Meanwhile, in Obamacare unintended but predictable consequences news, one of the larger Dominos franchises that it is going to restrict all its pizza delivery folks to less than 30 hours. The reason? To avoid the Obamacare penalty for not providing insurance to full-time employees. The franchisee is doing it now (rather than 2014), I guess, to avoid rules the IRS has put out that the penalty will be based the employer's prior year employee population.

I actually agree with most of you that the election results are a very bad thing. But we will all endure, and live to fight another day. Do you all really want to give up, and find a magic place in Honduras or Chile to nurse your wounds?

Rick Ballard

Ranger,

Here you go. Updated through this morning. Note the drop in the Democrat House vote between 2008 and 2012.

Ohio Two Party Splits (Ohio SoS)

President
2008 R 2,677,820
2008 D 2,940,044
Total. 5,617,864

2012 R 2,584,620
2012 D 2,691,861
Total. 5,276,481

House
2008 R 2,493,810
2008 D 2,749,799
Total. 5,243,609

2012 R 2,685,321
2012 D 2,164,113
Total. 4,849,434

Sue

Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson

$16T in debt, Treasury offers prizes to kids to share "savings stories" Just waiting for one to send in "had Tim Geithner do my taxes.

Me: I love Fred. Too bad he was a horrible campaigner.

centralcal

JiB: I am sure you are not surprised to find (via Sue's reposting of it) that it was Sara.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--I look at control of state legislatures, governorships and the fact we held the House and have a great deal of hope. None of the electoral accomplishments of the Tea Party in 2010 were overturned.--

Precisely. It's like neither the Dems or even the Republicans remember what happened in 2010. I think it might be a good policy not to even read about politics for several months after a loss like this there are so many fretful irrational statements.
And among those are the certainty that the economy is about to crash. It might be; I don't have a crystal ball any better than anyone else's.
But I do have a very distinct memory that it was common wisdom that after BillyJeff's assumption of power in 1992 it would be the end of the economic world. And it was a pretty common sentiment in 1996 as well.
Conditions are now different and the result may be catastrophic but the American economy despite what DC does is still immensely powerful and has IMO a 50/50 chance of steaming along weakly as it has done for the last three and a half years for quite some time.
And could someone somewhere please remember that not every happening is based on some profound political shift in the electorate but in simple blind luck or concatenation of circumstances.
Barry was extremely fortunate to come along when the nation was tired of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Repubs nominated Senator Good Friend and the Republican demoralized base was sick of DC spending and most importantly the economy crashed when it did.
He was extremely fortunate again that the economy has limped along just well enough not to destroy him, that the Republicans again nominated a moderate who couldn't distinguish himself sufficiently from Barry and that Sandy came along just when he needed it.
None of those things, all of which were vital to his success have anything to do with a profound or irreversible change in the electorate.
If they did 2010 wouldn't have happened and the Reps would not have held the house as easily as they did.
Barry and the Dems are good at many things but it's still better to be lucky than good.

Captain Hate

Me: I love Fred. Too bad he was a horrible campaigner.

I'm not sure that many good people have what it takes to endure a Presidential campaign. Romney had the drive to want it and a lot of money to support it. Palin has the drive but too many people lose their minds over her, particularly Republicans. I think Fred was just too tired.

Send in the Clowns

Another Dem Superstar!!! American voters getting what they deserve. I am going to enjoy watching this catastrophe for the next 4 years...

"Awkward first press conference for senator-elect Warren

A jittery U.S. senator-elect Elizabeth Warren gave one-sentence answers, ducked questions and even passed one on to Gov. Deval Patrick in an awkward first press conference since the election.

Warren spoke for a total of less than four minutes during the 11-minute press conference — the rest was taken up by Patrick and reporters’ questions.

After being asked her first question — how she’d protect defense spending — Warren was silent as she turned to Patrick.

“Defense spending is you,” Patrick prodded Warren.

“Oh, that’s mine,” Warren replied"

lun

Porchlight

VA:

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/mcauliffe-tells-dems-hes-running-governor

So Warner has apparently given McAuliffe the "green light" which indicates Warner does not plan to run for gov. Does that make it sound like Warner plans to run for POTUS in 2016 instead? Seems like it to me.

Captain Hate

when the nation was tired of Iraq and Afghanistan

Can we please end the delusion that Americans will support a prolonged war? GWB made a crucial error on assuming otherwise when beginning the war on terror. FDR delivered Eastern and Central Europe to Stalin on a silver platter because of it.

Sue

Amanda Carpenter ‏@amandacarpenter

Tapper reporting Obama will call to preserve tax rates on those making less than $200K. So hikes for those making more than 200K?

Me: Millionaires are now those who make $200k a year.

Rob Crawford
Can we please end the delusion that Americans will support a prolonged war?

I honestly don't think it's an issue of war itself.

It's an issue of how often it's in the news.

Obama started a war without any authorization, and appears to be ready to move into two more, and people still credit him with being a "peace" maker. Because it's not in the news.

Bush faced a nightly recounting of every casualty.

Out of sight, out of mind.

I think the biggest problem we have is that the majority of people simply have no interest in lives more complicated than that of livestock.

Janet

Ya know...the internet sure makes it easy to be big talkers. Like Jane points out, we are the "somebody".
A small example - The only "Tax Cheat" next to Tim Geithner's name that I've ever seen on a bill were from me & our Ann. I've never run across one out in the world. That was a lot of talk on the internet.

"Somebody, Somebody has to, you see." Then she picked out two somebodies: Sally and me.

Rob Crawford
Me: Millionaires are now those who make $200k a year.

In five years...

(This is actually a repeated Democrat talking point.)

Sue

Capt'n,

I think Fred was just too tired.

Probably. His wife is really, really young. ::grin::

Rob Crawford

Fred was campaigning for President Log. The electorate wants President Stork.

Porchlight

Looks like it's either Jerry Moran or Rob Portman at NRSC:

http://atr.rollcall.com/jerry-moran-i-have-enough-support-to-win-nrsc-chair/

I want Portman but Moran says he has the votes.

Captain Hate

Obama started a war without any authorization, and appears to be ready to move into two more, and people still credit him with being a "peace" maker. Because it's not in the news.

Bush faced a nightly recounting of every casualty.

Out of sight, out of mind.

Believe it or not, when I bothered to read some of the FB entries of dimwitted libs I haven't bothered to unfriend, a lot of them were pretty damn disenchanted with the JEF but still bought into the garbage that Ear Leader upchucked about Romney. To paraphrase "He's a big disappointment but I know I can live with him".

jimmyk

So hikes for those making more than 200K?

Notice how this has come down from $250K. And that's household income, not individual. That is going to start to cut into any reasonable definition of middle class.

Captain Hate

Yes jimmyk, that's a big change from what he campaigned on in 2008.

Porchlight

Certainly it does in expensive areas of the country, jimmyk.

It always frosts me that the boundaries are drawn by income level with no consideration of cost of living. $200K gets you a lot further in San Angelo, Texas than it does in Short Hills, New Jersey.

hit and run

Jane:
You know I get get a pix of "Hit lost" next week too. So watch out!

You have no idea what I've been up to via email.

Chubby

thanks for posting your 10:15 Cap.

Rob Crawford

Does it really matter what they say the lower limit is? It won't bring in enough money to build Utopia, so they'll just beat the stone harder.

Jim Ryan

"He's a big disappointment but I know I can live with him".

The bright ones add, "He's juggling fiscal issues, jobs and the need to maintain the services we are entitled to. It's very complicated, far too complicated for the simplistic thinking of conservatives who can only say, 'cut spending, limit government.' Obama is a thoughtful man, unlike Romney. He's doing okay, give him time."

henry

$200k lower limit... I hope Boehner just lets the whole Bush tax cut expire. That will put 10% of the moochers back on the paying income tax rolls. The next 4 years will suck no matter what, having the Dems reduce the 47% by their own intransigence might help in the long term.

Chubby

((The only "Tax Cheat" next to Tim Geithner's name that I've ever seen on a bill were from me & our Ann. ))

probably for the best or Bill Whittle will chase you down :) on his video he was adamant that all laws should be meticulously obeyed and afaik, defacing currency is illegal.

Sue

There were no terror attacks anywhere in the world until Bush took office. Clinton was the president of peace and prosperity.

cathyf
And you can put a ma'am on the end of that sentence when you address me.
DrF had a student a couple of years back who went into the Air Force after he graduated. A year later he came back to visit on his way to his first assignment, which was to command 50 nuclear missiles. DrF walked him out to his car, which was a really battered pickup. He said, "what's with the wheels, dude?" and the former student laughed and said that he'd borrowed his dad's truck. He had wanted to rent a car, but at 23, while he was trusted to be in charge of vehicles equipped with nuclear weapons, he wasn't old enough to rent a car!
Ranger

Tapper reporting Obama will call to preserve tax rates on those making less than $200K. So hikes for those making more than 200K?

The problem Barry has, is that the Dem caucus won't even support that. Both Pelosi and Schumer said they would old support raising taxes on those who make $1 million a year. There are far too many families in NYC and other major urban centers that make over $250 K a year and are barely upper middle class.

Obama's starting his negotiations from a position his own party won't support.

Old Lurker

Three of Mrs.L's book club guests yesterday said "I really despise Obama but Romney was going to outlaw abortion so I voted for Obama on that single issue".

Not kidding.

Captain Hate

Clinton was the president of peace the first World Trade Center bombing and prosperity the dot com bubble.

Old Lurker

and Clinton balanced the budget and produced a surplus which Bush squandered on wars on credit, Sue

MAM

I cannot and will not blame Mitt. He worked so hard, chose Paul Ryan, did great in the debates, offered a better plan and vision and is a most decent man. His campaign improved McCain's turnout in many demographic groups and he won independents like we asked him to - but too many of our voters chose to sit on their asses. Romney did his job and he relied on us to vote, but our side let him down. For some reason, today is the worst for me. I stayed in bed an extra hour and came in late to work so I could just wrap my head around why we did not grab at the chance to have Romney/Ryan in the White House. No explanation is going to satisfy me except that 51% of the country is alien to me. Even as I type this, I could cry if I let myself but I'm at work. It's ridiculous, but I think my heart is broken.

Chubby

((Believe it or not, when I bothered to read some of the FB entries of dimwitted libs I haven't bothered to unfriend, a lot of them were pretty damn disenchanted with the JEF))

who knows but that in a few months they'll be out on the streets protesting against him, like the Argentinians who gave Kirchner (sp?) a second term. I found the video of the protest against her inspiring.

Rob Crawford

That's the Truth, CH, but it's not the Pravda.

Ranger

Thanks Rick.

Old Lurker

Funny Cathy and so true. SIL was a Marine Intel Capt running snipers in Iraq but could not rent a car when he came home on leave.

jimmyk

It always frosts me that the boundaries are drawn by income level with no consideration of cost of living.

I have mixed feelings about that. Not clear we should subsidize people's choices to live in NJ versus TX. It's related to the debate over deducting state taxes (which does subsidize NJ over TX). But the bottom line is that we all need a break, regardless of where we are.

Jim Ryan

OL: A gay friend of mine with a PhD, a professor, an extreme libertarian who thinks taxation is theft, in 2008: "I'm voting Obama because I know he's lying about his position on gay marriage." Not kidding.

Danube of Thought on IPad

"In light of these precedents I wonder how Danube turned Ankeny's dicta into wine."

It is clear that you do not understand the meaning of the words you quoted. A dismissal for failure to state a claim is not dicta, it is a ruling on the merits of the legal claim being asserted. In the Ankeny case, the ruling was that a person born on US soil is eligible for the presidency even if his parents are not citizens.

Ask any lawyer.

maryrose

So it's true -what I have always suspected- Obama will tax the middle class. I remember Biden talking about those at 150,000.
Well Romney promised no new middle class taxes.
I bet those people now affected are deeply regretting that Obama vote on Tuesday.

Thomas Collins

I would add one tweak to the proposal Jim Rhoads and Sandy Daze and Appalled were discussing above. I would have the House GOP (i) agree not to stand in the way of the House passing a prog plan, and (ii) pass a bill with entitlement reform and tax reform. Thus, Harry Reid would have a true reform bill (the GOP bill) and a prog dream bill. Then I would have the GOP Senators agree not to use parliamentary tactics to hold up the prog dream bill that came over from the House in return for Reid publicly covenanting that he wouldn't try to change the filibuster rule. The Dems in the Senate would then have a choice whether to send a true reform bill to POTUS for signature, or an economy tanking measure that will have only their fingerprints on it.

Kat

MAM,
We are still here. I decided to delurk and I intend in every private setting challenge these morons. Can't do it at work, still need to pay mortgage and feed the cat!
We cannot just bitch and moan, though it is good to vent.
But on a practical side we must resist, organize, help each other.
Only taking action will work, by which at his point mean preserving whatever is left of personal property and dignity.
They want to crush our souls and conscience, let' s at least not give them the satisfaction.

NJ Jan

Porchlight@10:58am

You are absolutely right. If you make 200k a year, you arent living in Short Hills. Property taxes alone would break the budget. Houses are at least 750k and that is for one of the few small homes (2 -3 bedrooms) . Even in my area, as small 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath home will run in th $400's with property tax around $10,000. $200,000/yr doesnt cover Much in NJ. Didnt even touch on mortgage payments, child care costs etc.

Captain Hate

our side let him down.

I didn't let anybody down by going out and voting like a responsible citizen. It's way past time to demand that people live their lives responsibly. The underlying rationale for getting out the vote makes me sick because everybody should feel it's their duty to vote with no hand holding. If you treat people like children they will live down to that.

Jim Eagle

And Clinton never had any relationship with that woman.

Porchlight

Not clear we should subsidize people's choices to live in NJ versus TX.

I agree with that, jimmyk. I just think that in general, income cannot be the sole determinant of socioeconomic class when so much else goes into it. Where do you live? How much do you spend relative to income? How many dependents do you have? What is your level of debt? What's your level of earning power and do you seek employment at that level or do you choose to be underemployed? Etc.

I think largely we're in agreement.

Rob Crawford

JiB -- the Pravda is that Clinton was impeached over sex. The Truth is he was impeached because he committed perjury.

Thomas Collins

One exception to the Porchlight/NJ Jan Short Hills rule: nannying. My oldest was a nanny in Short Hills for several years and worked at the Starbucks in downtown Millburn part time to get health insurance. Great living environment and health insurance for way less than $200,000 a year. Her next career will be far less lucrative, because she's in law school now! :-))

maryrose

Mam: I am sorry you are feeling so bad today. It's almost like I was dreaming about the election and woke up to the nightmare of 4 more years of this thug.
Well, we just have to protect ourselves and realize that nothing lasts forever. When the pendulum swings this far left ,it is bound to come back right again.
I do agree with Strassel . We need better senate candidates like 3 days ago.

OldTimer

Now they're singing my song....

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/333044/it-dont-mean-thing-if-it-aint-got-swing-michael-walsh#

I'm tired of bitching about the media - let's build our OWN damn cultural mainstream media.

Rob Crawford

Porch, as high cost of living appears to correlate with the Blue Hells, I don't give a rip anymore.

Porchlight

Agree with you too, NJ Jan. It's complicated. People do have the choice to move to a less expensive place to live, though, and in the old days, they would tend to exercise that option more frequently. Now they stay put and ask for government assistance.

Rob Crawford

Has anyone heard what's being done about the thugs that chased the observers out of the polls in Philly? If they -- and their enablers -- are not severely punished, I'm giving up on voting. Obama's support in those precincts apparently reached sham-election levels, and if they get away with this once, it will be repeated across the country.

derwill

Morning, all.

Christina Kirchner, the president of Argentina, won re-election only 13 months ago by the biggest margin in that nation's history. That's how fast the worm can turn.

The cause of their current fiscal woes are the usual suspects: The bludgeoning costs of subsidies and social programs are outstripping their production of wealth. Inflation caused by too much money printing.

Following their economic collapse of 2001, they nationalized private pensions, and that theft of private property did pull them back from the depths. Back in early 2009, some Democrats here were floating the suggestion that we do the same, but it got little notice or traction at the time.

But now, as things get worse here, we should be prepared to see that idea rear its ugly head again. After all it is sooooo much money, just sitting there, and the federal government wouldn't be stealing it, you see, just borrowing it for awhile, and at a guaranteed 3% return rate, too, and "investing" in the government is much safer than the stock market, and pay your fair share, and women and children, and the poor and the cops and firemen, blah, blah.

Captain Hate

NBC really knows how to summon the Repuke go to guys: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/11/09/brian-williams-turned-steve-schmidt-election-night-tell-them-its-time-sh

Porchlight

Yeah, me neither, RC, on some level. But NJ like every other state needs small businesses and their employees, and those people have to get by and support their kids somehow.

maryrose

CH:
I agree with your statement. I did all I could and everyone on my side of the family voted for Romney and put in time on his campaign.We get the government that is voted on by the people. I think many people are in for a big surprise when all of Bammy's plans come to fruition. Fortunately the ones most harshly affected will be the ones who voted for him. I feel like a parent trying to prevent a son or daughter from having to learn a lesson the hard way. But we know as parents sometimes they have to make the mistake in order to arrive at true knowledge of a person or a situation.

matt

The 30 hour rule will become the norm pretty soon. I have seen this with one of ours who has been trying to find full time work.The enforcement can be brutal.If they go over then the next week they get few to no hours, and it wreaks havoc with their schedules.

We are becoming bogged down in European style work rules.

In another note there has been an interesting story developing in Costa Mesa, CA. The city was on the edge of bankruptcy 3 years ago and voted in some austerity minded city council members, who slashed budgets.

They cut staff; sold the police helicopter, and reduced budgets. Functionally though, there was little change in services. A pretty good job if you ask me. So they are now trying to renegotiate some of the sweetheart contracts, like a garbage service that is @ 30% more expensive than the next town over. And the police pension fund.

Well, one of said city councilmen was pulled over and accused of drunk driving, which was shot down very quickly. All of the conservatives have been being followed and harassed by the cops.

And a PI admitted that he had a floozy enter the place of work, in this case a bar, of one of them to try and get some photos of the councilman in a compromising position, which failed and was reported in the local paper.

So far no indictments of the police union officials responsible. Welcome to California.

Jane - Mock the media

You have no idea what I've been up to via email.

Of course I do. I hacked it years ago.

MAM

Kat and MaryRose - thanks for your thoughts. I work in an environment where my political leanings are 100% opposite of 99.9% of eveyone else here. Yesterday our staff meeting began with a prayer and the person leading the prayer then suggested that we all take a moment to be thankful for something good in our lives. Several of the staff started to chant Obama, Obama, until my boss (head of the division)reminded them that we were praying privately! Most of these folks have masters or PhD's. It's the way it is in academia and I fear we'll never undo the damage they have done to our young people and to our country. Although I love what I do (working with students), I'm not sure how much longer I can work here. It's poisonous and I'm feeling defeated.

glasater

I like the black market idea certainly but if the producers starve the government of tax revenue the government will turn around and go to a cashless society. It will be all via transaction card much like a debit card.

And as far as hispanic/mexicans are concerned I have grown up with them and dealt with them all my life.
Admire the hard work the laborers do but even that aspect is changing with all the regulations placed on employers regarding checking for illegals. A huge apple orchardist needed five hundred workers this season in our area and had a heck of a time harvesting the crop. And it seems once the illegals get here their work ethic disappears.
Plus, hispanics really do want to change the culture of the US to be much like where they came from which is beyond my comprehension. I mean after all they left their home country for opportunity. They bring their "poor" thinking with them.

centralcal

Agree, matt - the unions (every single one of them) in California are thugs to the nth degree.

I despise unions.

jimmyk

The 30 hour rule will become the norm pretty soon.

My guess is that if this happens, the Dems will modify Obamacare so that the penalties kick in at 30 hrs.

NJ Jan

I do agree that NJ residents have done a lot of this ti ourselves hy approving bloated town and schools budgets year after year. However I do think Porchlight 's premise is correct.

Maybe it will wake some of the lib voters up when their lives and income are impacted. I dont think they will react too well. Cutting back and trimming living expenses is not in DlNA.

Old Lurker

Several of us lately have mentioned starving the govt of our tax dollars.

That means nothing to a govt which has no budget and can print and borrow whatever it requires to pay the bills.

The problem we all have is WE think there are rules. Silly us.

cathyf
I seem to remember being taught in history class that the recovery out of the Great Depression came about as the country geared up war production and the fact that so many men were drafted, leaving a shortage of employees
It's really pretty much impossible to make any convincing comparison of wartime economy with the Depression pre war, but I think you can make a pretty good argument that the Depression did not REALLY end until FDR died and the Truman administration decided to let all of the price controls, rationing, etc. just expire. Soldiers returning from the war fully expected us to go right back in to the Depression, and it was only after the Truman Administration made clear that the price controls and rationing would not be re-instated that the economy really took off.
NJ Jan

Kindle strikes again. That is DNA in previous post. Off to meet friends for lunch. Will be interesting to hear reactions to election results.

Chubby

((Several of the staff started to chant Obama, Obama, ))

this is not how normal rational humans act, it is how mesmerized kool aid drinkers act

jimmyk

Clinton was the president of peace the first World Trade Center bombing and prosperity the dot com bubble.

He also set in place the house of cards that became subprime disaster with Fannie Mae, something that cannot be said too often, to counter the Pravda that it was all Bush's fault.

Rob Crawford
Agree, matt - the unions (every single one of them) in California are thugs to the nth degree.

Does anyone believe that organized crime ever lost control of the unions?

Sue

Most of my liberal friends on facebook saw the election as a choice between the lesser of two evils.

jimmyk

The distinction between unions and organized crime is pretty hazy anyway, Rob.

Rob Crawford
That means nothing to a govt which has no budget and can print and borrow whatever it requires to pay the bills.

The problem we all have is WE think there are rules. Silly us.

This. Precisely.

The rules are only being used as weapons against those the left doesn't like or finds inconvenient.

Rob Crawford
Most of my liberal friends on facebook saw the election as a choice between the lesser of two evils.

So they went for broke and chose the greater?

Why not just write in Cthulhu?

jimmyk

I'd be curious what the "evil" was they saw in Romney. Or maybe not. It's too annoying.

bgates

I really despise Obama but Romney was going to outlaw abortion

Our next candidate should perform an abortion. Do it during the convention. Bring a woman in her 35th week on stage, shove a fireplace poker into her uterus, and hold the impaled bloody thing aloft.

On second thought, that would connect an action to its consequence, which the electorate finds unforgivable.

Rob Crawford
I'd be curious what the "evil" was they saw in Romney.

He was going to outlaw rubbers, dontchaknow.

hit and run

Jane:
Of course I do. I hacked it years ago.

Yes, but you only hacked the one email address. I've known about that for a while and have made alternate arrangements.

Rob Crawford

Ya know, bgates, I was going to riff on that being the opening of the next Democrat convention, and speculate on what the following act would be, but it just got too dark and disgusting.

I truly fear we're headed for Teatime in the Discworld sense.

Porchlight

Although I love what I do (working with students), I'm not sure how much longer I can work here. It's poisonous and I'm feeling defeated.

I am in a very similar position, MAM. Was thinking this morning the exact same thing. It would be foolhardy of me to seek another job in this economic environment but I wonder if I really belong here.

bgates

Obama's starting his negotiations from a position his own party won't support.

The four budget proposals his staff has sent to Congress have won an aggregate of, what, six votes? Congress will come around by his third term.

Janet

I really despise Obama but Romney was going to outlaw abortion

I believe George Stephanopolis (sp?) started that meme going in one of the primary debates.

Sandy Daze

One of my earlier posts regarding spending more sooner, I expanded with thoughts from kat and Ranger and posted as a comment at American Digest. Gerald vd Leun has placed that comment at the top of his site, for now. CWCD, thank you for your comments kat and Ranger.

Porchlight

Why not just write in Cthulhu?

Rob Crawford,

One of my friends (libertarian, socially very liberal, fiercely anti-Obama) actually DID write in Cthulhu. For real.

But we're in Texas. Pretty sure if his vote mattered, he'd have held his nose and voted Romney.

It pissed off his lefty friends no end, though.

Rob Crawford

Why would lefties be pissed over someone voting for Cthulhu? Cthulhu consumes minds; they're clear.

Sandy Daze

Limbaugh saying that Republicans should step aside, echoing Jim Rhodes excellent comment:
What if the Republicans in Congress just tell Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the Pres to work among themselves and come up with their grand solution to the debt crisis with the understanding that all Republicans will abstain so the Dem plan can go through unopposed before the end of the year.
All of a sudden the bad old Republicans are no longer the party of no, and the Dems can't sucker them into shutting down the government. But they aren't compromising their principles either, because there is no agreed upon "grand bargain". The Republicans merely say to the American people what they have been telling them for the past five years: The Dem plan will make a bad situation immeasurably worse, and that Republicans will be watching to pick up the pieces when the inevitable failure comes.

Most of us believe that the Dem plan will result in complete economic disaster, and so do I. Passing that plan now makes it much more likely than not that the resulting chaos will occur on the Dem watch. This gets us more quickly to the situation advocated earlier on this thread that we need a virtually complete collapse for the takers to come to their senses, and it puts responsibility squarely on ElJefe, Dingy Harry and Plastic Pelosi because it has none of the "bipartisan" bs.
This type of situation is typical in countries with a parliamentary government. The majority forms a government and generally governs without regard to the feelings of the majority. Competing philosophies of government really do compete.

Porchlight

Heh, Rob.

Jim Eagle

Mark Levin channeling Captain Hate:

"“You know, I’ve always known this but I’m coming to the conclusion yet again, that Republican leaders are really stupid people. And I’m coming to the conclusion that there are an awful lot of stupid people posing as commentators on cable TV.”
– Mark Levin
"

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

I agree wholeheartedly with Thomas Collins refinement of the plan I outlined earlier.

The main thing is assuring accountability for the inevitable disaster resulting from the bs plans being hatched by the Dems.

As suggested above, The majority forms a government and generally governs without regard to the feelings of the majority minority.

Jim Eagle

Although I am on board the Rhoads Plan the MSM and the Dems and the Obama Adoration Society will still find ways to blame the Republicans when the plan implodes. Look at ObamaCare - no republicans voted for it and its still with us to the point where regardless of the economic effect employers are planning cutbacks and other maneuvers.

But full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!

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