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November 18, 2012

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narciso

No, he'll still be PM, but he's surrounded by the Pillars, and Mullers, I'm sorry, at this point it's enemy action, after Gitmo, the Zazi
provoked witchhunt against the NYPD, and the Broadwell snipe hunt,

jimmyk

When I read the Israeli press I find myself thinking Netanyahu has to deal with a higher percentage of brain dead progs than we do.

Bear in mind that the Israeli press is as skewed left as the American, so it may not be as bad as you think. The problem is more the politics of putting together a coalition, where a group of whackos comprising 20 percent of the electorate can play the mainstream left and right blocs against each other.

rse

I was in Israel in December 73 and we felt safe in Tel Aviv and went partying on Dizengoff Street.

A few months later the PLO came ashore in rafts within a few blocks of where we had stayed. I forget how many they killed now but I cannot imagine seeing yourself as not at risk.

AliceH

Iggy: It's pretty easy to make Lemon Sorbet, especially if you have one of these new-fangled Ice Cream Makers

You do need to prep the sorbet ingredients and chill overnight. Next day, just set up the machine, pour mixture, voila - sorbet in about 20 minutes.

narciso

Haaretz, makes the Times seems sane, which is an effort, Caroline Glick's Latma TV segments give a flavor of the media environment they face over there,

James D.

I really do loathe Zero. Here's what he had to say in Burma the other day:

During a lengthy speech at the University of Yangon in Burma, President Obama signaled the important traits of American democracy, particularly his limited powers as president.

“As President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could,” he stated. “The legislative branch has its own powers and its own prerogatives, and so they check my power and balance my power.”

That's what he tells foreigners. Over here, he tells us, the people he's supposedly accountable to: "I won" and "Elections have consequences" and boasts of doing everything he can to ignore or bypass Congress.


Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

Jindal, you magnificent bastard, the Dems read your 2016 RNC playbook.

Homeland Security promotes welfare to new immigrants in government ‘welcome’ materials

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/18/homeland-security-promotes-welfare-to-new-immigrants-in-government-welcome-materials/

There must be something better the RNC can give away to win over the elusive 100%.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Alice, you're wonderful, but you and I have sharply divergent views on the proper place of frozen concoctions in the vast scheme of things.
I want lemon sherbet as a reward for my hard work to be enjoyed in my indolence, not as a punishment that can only be enjoyed after more hard work.

narciso

How that facilitates Homeland Security is another question, then again Incompetano began her rise as a flack for Anita Hill, and it got worse from there on,

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

TK,
Is there some evidence Jindal is seeking to expand the welfare rolls?
He strikes me as the kind of guy who appeals to the 100% just as Reagan did, by offering them an alternative to government handouts via a freer, wealth creating economy and culture.

Army of Davids

Questions that should be asked on Benghazi

1) Why was there substandard 9/11 security in the Benghazi consulate to begin with?
2) Why were repeated requests by Ambassador Stevens for increased security disregarded?
3) What is being done by the State Dept. so this doesn't happen again?
4) Were Navy SEALS/CIA contractors Woods and Doherty definitively told to stand down?
5) If Woods and Doherty were told to stand down...why?
6) Was anyone else at the CIA annex told to stand down?
7) If stand down decisions were made... who made the stand down decisions?
8) Why did they get no backup support despite repeated requests?
9) Were air assets really too far away to respond?
10) If they were to far to respond...why were they so far away?
11) Did Doherty or Woods laser a mortar as reported?
12) Did they assume they would have air cover when they lasered the mortar?
13) Were there commands to stand down on air support for Doherty and Woods?
14) If there were commands to stand down...who made those commands?
15) How many State Dept officials did Woods and Doherty save from terrorist attack?
16) Why has there been no coverage of the State Dept officials that Woods and Doherty saved?
17) What was the CIA doing in Libya?
18) Why has nobody done an interview w/ the accused filmmaker?
19) Who made the decision to have the filmmaker arrested?
20) Were the filmmaker's free speech rights infringed upon?
21) Why was the president unaware of Petraeus affair until 5 pm election day?
22) Was there political timing in Petraeus' resignation decision Friday evening 3 days post election?
23) Were the president, vice president, Secretary of State Clinton and UN Secretary Rice aware of editing of Petraeus intelligence memo?
24) Was National Security Advisor Thomas Donilon involved in the decision to redact "Al Qaeda affiliate" and replace with "extremist" in the CIA memo?
25) Was Petraeus sign off on edits to the intelligence memo compromised by his affair?
26) Was the CIA intelligence memo edited for national security purposes or to support a projected political narrative of the attack that would be favorable to the administration?
27) If it was edited for national security reasons why was this necessary for cabinet members (president, vice president, sec of state, UN secretary) who have the highest level of national security clearance?
28) Was the CIA intelligence memo edited because of concern of leaks within the administration?
29) Is there any merit to CIA Libya to Syria gun running rumors?
30) Did the president mean terrorism in Libya on his initial post Benghazi address or was he just giving a vague platitude on terrorism?
31) If he was implying terrorism in Libya (as both he and Candy Crowley said during the debate)...why did the administration then spend several days redirecting attention to the cause of the 9/11 attack as a natural spontaneous response to the film?

narciso

It's like Volodya supporting Hamas, while his men
blow up Chechen political leaders, in Doha proper, with nary a peep,

narciso

Yes, he's a standup guy, but that didn't stop their leg from 'accidentally' swallowing the stimulus, and furthering the Romney caricature is unhelpful

Rick Ballard

RSE,

I read this fellow for a little insight on day to day life in Israel. He made the following comment on Tel Aviv:

I don't know many people in Tel Aviv, but the few I do are near and dear to my heart... so please take what I'm about to say with that in mind: I am sort of glad that the Gaza terrorists have finally taken out their long range missiles. It's not that I want anyone to be hurt, but too many of this country's decision makers live in and around Tel Aviv. Unfortunately, this means that they are a little too willing to let 'colorful' places like Kiryat Shmoneh and Sderot take a beating while the decision makers make a show of not being hasty with their responses.

Now that rockets are falling on lily white Tel Aviv you can bet there will be no leisurely weighing of options or 'let's wait and see where this latest attack goes...'.

There is also a guest post there by Zahava When 10 minutes feels like 10 years which is well worth a read.

Rick Ballard

RSE,

I read this fellow for a little insight on day to day life in Israel. He made the following comment on Tel Aviv:

I don't know many people in Tel Aviv, but the few I do are near and dear to my heart... so please take what I'm about to say with that in mind: I am sort of glad that the Gaza terrorists have finally taken out their long range missiles. It's not that I want anyone to be hurt, but too many of this country's decision makers live in and around Tel Aviv. Unfortunately, this means that they are a little too willing to let 'colorful' places like Kiryat Shmoneh and Sderot take a beating while the decision makers make a show of not being hasty with their responses.

Now that rockets are falling on lily white Tel Aviv you can bet there will be no leisurely weighing of options or 'let's wait and see where this latest attack goes...'.

There is also a guest post there by Zahava When 10 minutes feels like 10 years which is well worth a read.

maryrose

RB:
I completely agree with you on the Mideast war. The Palestinians always have to re-learn what they already know. Israel is much better prepared for war than they are. Sending rockets into Tel Aviv is just reckless and stupid. Their so called leadership is being decimated as we speak. Obama better give his permission or else he looks like a do nothing president..oh wait...
Does Obama think the Israelis give a flying fig what he has to say about their ground game?

Jim Ryan

Fuzzy passive-voice mush from TOTUS in Burma:

Instead of being repressed, the right of people to assemble together must now be fully respected. Instead of being stifled, the veil of media censorship must continue to be lifted.
I see. So the veil should not be stifled and the right of assembly shouldn't be repressed. Got it.

This is what happens when the of the passive-voice worm has made a nest in the brain.

Janet

I really do loathe Zero.

Me too. I really need God to change my attitude toward Obama voters too. I feel such disgust...& I can't mask it. Like with Porchlight, I can hardly stand to be asked favors anymore....or jimmyk pointed out about family worried about inheritance & taxes. It is the same here & it takes all my being to be quiet. Their blindness to what is going on & their hypocrisy is too much for me.

Janet

Great questions, Army of Davids.

maryrose

Army of Davids:
Each and every question must be answered under oath. When are Hillary, Donilon and Clapper testifying?

narciso

Mystery Projection Theatre 3000, he has the mindset of the SLORC, he calls those who object
'teabaggers' he riffed about the 'lively debate' while Neda Sultan, lay bleeding on the pavement,

AliceH

Did I forget to mention you can make this sherbet (or sorbet or ice cream) and then keep it in the freezer for a week or so. ready when you want it... ? Personally, I find 15" prep and 20" wait time to be much less "work" than going to the grocery store for the ingredients. Ah, well.

Put me down on the anti-cabbage roster. I do like a narrow subset of creamy cole slaw recipes, but just the thought of cooked cabbage reminds me of the godawful budget-stretching boiled-cabbage-with-leftover-cheap-ham meal I was served growing up. Going hungry was better than eating that stuff.

maryrose

Also when is Susan Rice going to be questioned? I think Bammy will try a move to protect Rice by stating executive privledge. If he does what is our next move?

James D.

Each and every question must be answered under oath. When are Hillary, Donilon and Clapper testifying?

I think I'd prefer it if those questions were answered under "enhanced interrogtion" conditions, personally.

narciso

Hillary doesn't matter, Huma took her to an Eid dinner in a different month, with the future CAIR connected Libyan foreign minister, and she's none the wiser, she's like those factotums
that Fidel (and Raul) put up like Perez Roque, and subsequently purge, Mr, Magoo you think he has a clue, Donilon, well since he's leaked his
quota of secrets to the Times, they'll make him Secretary of Defense, and Vickers gets the Company slot,

Clarice

aliceh, one of the most delicious meals I ever ate was in a Chateau and Relais in Perpignan France where layers of cabbage encased ham (and I think duck) and rice which was steamed. It's all in the preparation.

PD

The Daily Docket: Hostess Union Still Has Hope
Wall Street Journal (blog)
The union that brought the 85-year-old baker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread to its knees is holding out hope that a buyer will salvage chunks of the company and send the union's members back to work, even as Hostess Brands Inc. gears up for a fire sale.

Seems like they could have gone back to work any time instead of causing Hostess to liquidate.

maryrose

AliceH
Welcome back! I'll go you one better. The day before payday our meal was boiled potatoes and cabbage, no meat. However I still love both to this day. By the way remember reuben sandwiches have sauerkraut and they are delicious.
I also think I will be somewhere in-between on the Island. I can't stand cigarette smoke but I do like to drink. Just throw me a Harp's beer or Corona and I'll lob back some creamy cole slaw and some lemon sorbet.

narciso

I'm not crazy about cabbage, but that dish seems intriguing, Clarice,.

Porchlight

From Jim Geraghty's Morning Jolt:

One other thought, and before I go further, I want to emphasize I wish Romney had won. But I felt a strange sense of relief upon hearing our nominee's post-election remarks:


Obama, Romney argued, had been "very generous" to blacks, Hispanics and young voters. He cited as motivating factors to young voters the administration's plan for partial forgiveness of college loan interest and the extension of health coverage for students on their parents' insurance plans well into their 20s. Free contraception coverage under Obama's healthcare plan, he added, gave an extra incentive to college-age women to back the president.

"The president's campaign," he said, "focused on giving targeted groups a big gift -- so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars."

Reading that, we can only conclude that Romney's "47 percent" comments were not a gaffe or slip of the tongue but actually represent his genuine assessment of the nature of the American people right now. A president with that worldview wouldn't keep it under wraps for a four-year term, and it is a good thing for the Republican party and the conservative movement to not have to defend a president who effectively writes off nearly half the country as lazy and selfish, and even more important, unpersuadable, unreformable, and unchangeable. Put me strongly in the Bobby Jindal/Marco Rubio/Susana Martinez camp in the discussion of these enormously unhelpful comments from Romney. Again, it would have been better for the country if Romney had won, but this noble-us-and-those-hopeless-others worldview would have proved a serious liability for a Romney presidency.


So Jim, Obama wasn't trying to give out more free stuff to Democrat constituent groups in exchange for votes? Those voters really are persuadable? These clean toga NRO folks are really insufferable sometimes.

maryrose

narciso:
I just want some real answers on this 2 and a half month stall on Benghazi. I don't want anyone else saying "hey it's not my fault!" Sometimes it really is someone's fault and that person needs to be outed like yesterday.

maryrose

Jim Geraghty has his facts wrong. Obama is the one who sees these groups as losers at life and feels he has to help them out with our money. If taxes are raised I want Obama , Buffett, and all Hollywood stars to pony up first. When I see Clinton cough up his ill gotten fortune then I know they are serious. Like that is going to happen. Remember TerAYsa Kerry only pays 12% on her taxes. Kerry still hasn't paid back taxes on his boat. Edwards is trying to increase his carbon footprint along with Gore. Hypocrites all.

narciso

We know the answers, the terrorists were massing, he was too buzy spiking the football,
to do anything, and he had most of the key players compromised one way or another,

Much like Somalia, the efforts of Woods and Doherty were nothing short of remarkable, the fact that they are treated as 'unpersons' very revolting indeed.

Thomas Collins

I think the issue with Romney's remarks is whether it was politic to say them in public. I myself think the center of gravity of the Dem Party now is machine thug politics in the domestic sphere and dangerously naive one worldism in the foreign policy sphere, but were I running for office, that wouldn't necessarily be my public pronouncement.

pagar

Adding to the not functioning Red Cross info.

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-FEMA-Relief-Effort-for-Hurricane-Sandy-Is-Going-Very-Badly?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Voters put leftists in charge and than wonder why things go badly. Amazing!

narciso

Yes, practicing sociology with an open mike, doesn't work out, I think that the right answer
was 'everyone aspires to a better lifestyle,
than their parent's generation, Apparently that other sort of pitch, does get money out of them, I guess.

marlene

Good Morning! Janet,I'm also feeling the way you described.I need an attitude adjustment! We are going to spend Thanksgiving with family and I plan on bringing many bottles of wine. : ) I don't think there will be much discussion of politics,because my brothers,aunts,uncles and cousins are salt of the earth people and just want to get on with their lives. Our goal this week is to indulge Dad and Mom,because Dad has been ill and we will concentrate on being together as a family.
Safe travels to all and Thanksgiving blessings!

Thomas Collins
"practicing sociology with an open mike, doesn't work out."

Narciso, I've never seen a more incisive or pithy summary of the necessity of rhetoric in politics (whether international or national politics, or family politics, for that matter). Reagan was one who knew when to strike a positive note and when to strike an evil empire note. Reagan also knew that in public, academic analysis didn't make it.

narciso

Hope he's feeling better, marlene,

marlene

Oh,re: Hostess bakeries.The striking bakers union members were outside the Biddeford,Maine facility last Friday shouting,"shut it down!" I guess they got their wish.

James D.

Porch, I'm with you. Geraghty is full of crap.

The problem with the Romney worldview isn't that it's wrong; it's that the MSM (and the Duke and Duke types) are either unable to see, or unwilling to talk about the flip side of it.

They say that Romney's message is that the 47% are "hopeless", "losers", etc. because they are bought off by free goodies from the Dems.

But the truth really is that the Dems give them the goodies is because THEY see the 47% as hopeless losers who can't possibly function in the world on their own without the freebies; and, worse, that approach by the Dems MAKES them less able to function on their own without the freebies, and TURNS them into hopeless losers.

But heaven forbid the Reps on a national level really make that argument.

marlene

Thanks,narciso.

narciso

I guess if it was spelled, 'Pockistan' he wouldn't have a problem;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/obama-obliterates-civil-rights-icon-aung-san-suu-kyis-name-several-times-in-one-minute-speech-video/

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Did I forget to mention you can make this sherbet (or sorbet or ice cream) and then keep it in the freezer for a week or so. ready when you want it... ?--

Freezer? Doh!

narciso

Like they said, in Serenity, it was the losing side, but I don't believe it was the wrong one,


http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/dont-expect-long-battle-in-west-recount-effort/#comments

marlene

Did anyone see the Lincoln movie over the week-end?

AliceH

Posted by: Clarice | November 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM:
It's possible that without my cabbage baggage, I'd find that dish appealing. As it stands, I must defer to De gustibus non est disputandum.

Posted by: maryrose | November 19, 2012 at 10:20 AM
I may have given the impression that the leftover floaty bits of bad ham were recognizable as "meat". That impression would be wrong. :-) Thanks for the welcome.

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

Ig, he said 100% not me. Is this person part of the 100%?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

What alternative does Jindal present in this situation? When he gives up on them won't he be saying that they are members of Mitt's 47%?

Old Lurker

Sorry, we saw Jindal on Fox Sunday and neither my wife nor I are attracted to him. She thinks he looks creepy. I think "appealing to the 100%" is a losing objective. He should appeal to 100% of folks who believe in the Constitution plus any others that can be persuaded/educated to support that document. There is some subset of the population that cannot be persuaded and we should not go after them. Hopefully that subset is < 47% but who knows.

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

Here is some more of the 100%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Street_Fair

Does Bobby have an opening for them?

Extraneus

These clean toga NRO folks are really insufferable sometimes.

No kidding.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--But the truth really is that the Dems give them the goodies is because THEY see the 47% as hopeless losers who can't possibly function in the world on their own without the freebies....--

I don't think that's correct and is far too charitable.
No doubt there are well intentioned liberals who think the poor just need a helping hand but the Dem party itself is a cynical engine motivated by the single minded desire to turn otherwise obviously productive citizens into perpetual hopeless losers trapped on the plantation and inured to the state of being a dependent and grateful subject.

Old Lurker

Regarding the poor just needing a helping hand, where did I read last week that dividing the annual Federal outlays for "helping the poor" (including the cost of running the programs) by the number of Americans (or was it number of families?) below the poverty line equals $60,000. Every year.

Someone else last year added all those expenditures up since LBJ's War on Poverty and it exceeded $5T not counting the interest. So counting interest it must be the majority of our current National Debt.

So much for throwing money at the issue.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I'm guessing by "100%" Jindal and others are saying that writing off large chunks of the electorate is unwise, not that Republicans are likely to get much of the paranoid-schizophrenic, transgendered, pederast vote or should tailor the Republican platform to try to.
I believe he's saying that those people being made into wards of the state need to be offered the alternative of a better life of freedom and wealth creation rather than squalid government dependence.
That was Reagan's message and he won two landslides. He didn't expect to get 100% of the vote but neither did he write off 47% of the electorate as hopeless.

jimmyk

I don't fault Romney for calling out the Dem's blatant vote-buying, and everything James D said is accurate. But TC and narc are right that there is an art to making the argument. Just as most people think they are better-than-average (or -median) drivers, and (as Milton Friedman pointed out) most people think it's the other guy who is "greedy," whereas they themselves are just trying to improve their lot and provide a better life for their families, people don't see themselves as freeloaders, just the other guys. So it's better to appeal to that side of them. We don't really think so many people are hopeless freeloaders--in fact, it's an important part of the argument against the welfare state that people will get off their duffs and work if incentivized to do so.

Captain Hate

These clean toga NRO folks are really insufferable sometimes.

Sometimes? I'm to the point where I just ignore any link to the site.

Old Lurker

I think we are saying the same thing, Iggy. Regan was able to appeal to those not in the middle class that the American Dream offers them a route into it, and to those already there, a route upwards.

James D.

Ig, yeah, that's true.

But our side's argument is the same either way, and it's really the only appeal to the 47% that we have.

We can't compete on giving more freebies, or on identity-group terms - the Dems will always be better at that than we are.

All we can do is point out to them, as clearly and loudly as we can, that it is their supposed friends who have made them poorer, and weaker, and less capable.

Sandy Daze

the Sarah.

Extraneus

people don't see themselves as freeloaders, just the other guys

So who would be offended by a candidate who runs against free-loaders?

Rob Crawford
So who would be offended by a candidate who runs against free-loaders?

Keep in mind lefties consider a business owner who works 80 hours a week a "free-loader". They didn't build that business, after all.

Clarice

Here's the restaurant I was thinking of but the "chou" dish I remembered is not on the present listed menu.http://www.chateauderiell.com/en/la-carte-en.html

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--But our side's argument is the same either way, and it's really the only appeal to the 47% that we have.

We can't compete on giving more freebies, or on identity-group terms - the Dems will always be better at that than we are.--

The problem is the argument isn't the same either way. Reagan's was an optimistic appeal to people that there was a better way and was a useful wedge driven between the Dems and their subjects.
The 47% argument may very well be largely accurate but it is a pessimistic argument which drives Dems and their dependents closer together and will never peel off voters, without which it's kind of hard to win elections.

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

I think Jindal said something far more stupid than what Akin said. The party not asking him for clarity and leaving us to guess at what he meant will result in doom.

Did Mitt's 47% comment cost him the election?

Frau Regenmantel

Hello from crazy, creepy WET Eugene/Springfield, home of angry anarchists. Little chance to read any of the thread. We arrive in the Bellevue area today and this evening I'll likely get some time after helping plan Thanksgiving.

Hello, AliceH. Missed you.
Welcome back Jane. We needed you.
virtual smooches all around.

Captain Hate

Did Mitt's 47% comment cost him the election?

It didn't help.

One thing we've all been avoiding discussing is that Romney didn't start off this race by being a particularly popular candidate. Most of us here grew to like him but we weren't starting off from the same initial point as the muddle. I thought he ran a pretty good campaign as far as making him likeable (and I certainly believe he deserved a better fate) but it was always an uphill slog, starting with the primaries.

matt

Drudge's picture of Krugman on the front page right now is a classic.

It seems that Hr. Doktor Krugman wants the rich to go back to a 91% tax rate.

As we watch France spinning into the ground and the wealthy French driving up London real estate prices to ever more astronomical levels, it seems the Doktor has not read his copy of this week's Les Affaires or Le Monde recently.

His socialist buddy Hollande is getting his ass kicked all the way from the Pyrennes to Strasbourg and back again.

rse

Iggy made the point I wanted to make on what James D said. As someone who spends too much time with the original blueprints laying out the actual intentions behind these schemes, it's all about cultivating that dependence. In fact, empty head, driven by emotions, defined by group identity, and enthralled by the beneficence of govt defines what is desired.

And all the institutions over which govt has control are now tuned to creating just that personality.

BB Key

Unanimous U MD Board of Regents to apply for membership in the BiG 10...

Rob Crawford

I wish someone would finally put Krugman in the institutional setting he needs. His insanity is sad, and the NYT's abuse of him is despicable.

Melinda Romanoff

rse-

Been like that here for years.

Danube of Thought

Can we have fried oysters too?

rse

matt-Krugman is merely announcing the action agenda laid out in the new economics foundation's The Great Transition.

With the reelection of Obama the grasping state is shifting up to the endgame. The estate taxes in that document are put at 75%. And then more or less, equality of incomes around a Line of Plenty.

The Dems absolutely do not have a vision of the next generation living better. They have a vision of using ed to create a resigned mindset that believes in the necessity of the state led economy around Sustainability. No one gets to know that Sustainability actually exists to justify government control in the first place.

I think RR had the capacity to grasp the reality of what is going on and the likely consequences but no one in the inner circle got it. And many have a stake still in trough politics and dirigisme.

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

I think it didn't help either CH, but for a different reason that most do not wish admit.

Mitt Romney disavowed his much-criticized statement that the 47% of Americans who supported President Obama paid no taxes, considered themselves "victims" and refused to take responsibility for their lives, saying in a Thursday night interview that he had been “completely wrong.”

“Clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you say something [that] doesn’t come out right," the Republican presidential nominee said on Fox News. "In this case, I said something that’s just completely wrong."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/04/nation/la-na-pn-romney-47-percent-20121004

By making such a cowardly statement there are only two conclusions; he was pandering at the fundraiser or he was pandering with his apology.

Either conclusion shows what happens when you say everything to everybody in your attempt to reach out to the 100%.

You lose.

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

...wish to...

rse

Melinda-absolutely for years. In fact that in the end is part of what is getting caught out. I was looking at something yesterday from 30s on what was to be sought via education. Only possible if there was an unappreciated connection that is and should be quite incendiary. That was last night's hooray.

And what I have been working on this morning.

Cue Balls Biden would call this a BFD.

jimmyk

So who would be offended by a candidate who runs against free-loaders?

Those who feel they are being called "free-loaders."

Danube of Thought

Good luck getting the House to approve the 91% rate.

And as George Will pointed out, almost every single GOP congressman received a larger majority than Obama did.

Melinda Romanoff

The Taliban discovers the errors of hitting "Reply All" and sends out a new Journolist.

9500+ of all the members of their "Friends and Family" program.

Ooops.

Thomas Collins

Krugman in his op ed doesn't acknowledge that in the 1950s, the absence of passive loss limitations and at risk rules pushed the effective tax rate well below 91 percent.

High marginal tax rates actually help the big crony capitalist one percenters. The cronies have the resources to do the tax planning. The medium and small size businesses are the ones hurt the most, as they are with the increasing reach of the regulatory state.

Danube of Thought

How the GOP governors can derail Obamacare. (Hope it's not a protected site.)

This issue will separate the meritorious sheep from the cowardly goats.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Either conclusion shows what happens when you say everything to everybody in your attempt to reach out to the 100%.

You lose.--

I agree, but, unlike Romney, Jindal didn't lose. Perhaps he's not saying everything to everybody?

Rob Crawford

rse -- This is going to sound off-the-wall, but have you tried reaching out to Jerry Pournelle? The lefts' goals as you describe them bear a terrifying resemblance to the structure of a future US he described in his "Codominion" stories. Basically, the US has a very thin high class of the "elected", a thin middle class of "taxpayers", and the rest of the people -- "citizens" -- live in impoverished slums receiving only a token education.

It would be interesting if he simply projected that outcome, or started from the same material you've been uncovering.

Hmmm... his Wikipedia page his this:

After leaving Yorty's office, in 1970 he was a consultant to the Professional Educators of Los Angeles (PELA), a group opposed to the unionization of school teachers in LA.

Those stories date from a few years after this, so...

hit and run

TK:
Did Mitt's 47% comment cost him the election?

Did any single event or statement cost him (or win Obama) the election? Of course not.

For probably 2 months, the 47% ad was the only Obama ad I saw on tv or heard on the radio.

I don't watch all that much tv, so maybe JMH or another North Carolinian who was paying attention could say otherwise, but from where I sit Team Obama didn't appear to bother making any argument here through their ads other than Romney was out of touch and would write off nearly half the country. And they did so exclusively by using that 47% clip.

I think Obama's overall strategy was to write off his own 47% of voters -- actually, he was writing off 6-8% of his very own 2008 votes -- but in conceding that those people wouldn't vote for him, Obama set out to get them to stay home rather than bother to go to the polls through a relentless attack on Romney's character.

Rob Crawford
High marginal tax rates actually help the big crony capitalist one percenters.

Marginal rates are like the slope of a hill; no problem for the people already up top, major problem for the folks down below. Curious, innit, how so many of the lefts' policies look more like "I got mine -- screw you" than not?

Rob Crawford
I think Obama's overall strategy was to write off his own 47% of voters...

Didn't his campaign admit sometime in mid summer that they didn't care about working class white men?

Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)

"Perhaps he's not saying everything to everybody?"

I believe that to be true. Jindal makes the arguments necessary to win in his state. If he were to appeal to the portion of the 100% that wanted to end Louisiana's oil related industry he would be toast.

What is important, to me, is Jindal's choice of wording that leaves us guessing. Mitt tried that path.

Obama did not leave his base guessing. Even with the shit he promised in 2008, and did not get done, he just promised it again. No compromise statements win elections.

Momto2

We can't compete on giving more freebies, or on identity-group terms - the Dems will always be better at that than we are.--

I cannot remember if it was posted here but one of the better analogies I've heard is the child of a divorced couple. One parent wants the child to go to bed at the proper time, eat healthy food with limited sweets, study, etc. etc. SO THAT they will be healthy and successful. The other parent lets the child stay up until all hours, fills the house with junk food, gives in to almost any demand.....

Which parent will the child choose to live with? Maybe, if the child had life experiences - had held a job, gotten a paycheck, realized the benefits of healthy living, but they have never done this - so the "good" parent is shoved aside for the "fun" parent....

Janet

How bout this -
Hey Latinos (or Blacks or any group)! The Dems think you are too stupid to make it on the playing field of life. You need extra help. You need Pelosi (or fill in any loser Dem.)to tell you what to do & give you special treatment.
Dems think you are stupid & pathetic.
Republicans KNOW you are strong.

or this -

Hey Latinos (or Blacks)! Why do rich Dems & rich movie stars want you to abort your babies? Why are the clinics built in YOUR neighborhoods?
Republicans are for life...all life.

just saying...

didn't eight of the ten wealthiest counties vote for obama? if krugman thinks that the tax rates should be raised, then why the hell not? i think krugman lives in one of those counties... lets eliminate that hollywood exemption as well, that insty talks about.

Janet

The Taliban discovers the errors of hitting "Reply All" and sends out a new Journolist.

So let's see the names.
"The list, made up of more than 400 recipients, consists mostly of journalists, but also includes an address appearing to belong to a provincial governor, an Afghan legislator..."

Who? Let's see the names.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I wonder what anyone here thinks of William Niskanen's analysis of higher tax rates being necessary to make the cost of big government too high for the majority to accept and the corollary argument that lowered tax rates have so reduced the cost of big government to present taxpayers that they have no incentive to oppose big government.
The more I think about it the more I agree with it and the less concerned I am about the fiscal cliff.
There is no doubt lower marginal rates are more efficient but so long as big government exists we either pay high marginal rates through present taxation or future borrowing.
Cutting taxes obviously hasn't slain Leviathan.
Making everyone pay for the Candyman might.

jimmyk

Which parent will the child choose to live with?

Reminds me of a friend's suggestion that parole boards should be willing to come let parolees live with them.

Making everyone pay for the Candyman might.

Reminiscent of Milton Friedman's regret over supporting automatic withholding. Make people write the check. At the very least make people see the bill for the spending, the same way credit card bills do.

Extraneus

How would Jindal do on The View or Jon Stewart? That's what counts, and I say Andrew Cuomo would kick his ass with the clueless female vote.

sbw

I wonder what anyone here thinks of William Niskanen's analysis of higher tax rates being necessary

Who is Niskanen talking to?

Since his premise is that people can't think with anything but their wallets, who could possibly understand him?

narciso

Well he lost the first time, to the witless Blanco, probably next time, they run Morial against him, like Christie with Booker in NJ.

I uderstand what he was trying to say, put he didn't put it artfully either,

Btw, 'Dr. Evil' has risen from his burrow, and brought forth his insights, the thing about the Tigress of Forli, when someone betrayed her, they
got what was coming to them.

Manuel Transmission

Frau,

Try to pick up a pair of webbed feet on your way. It is just as bad all the way north. We are heading out in the morning for Denver, or I would try to set up a rendezvous.

BTW, there is a great product: Wet and Forget. It helps keep the mold from forming too fast. ;)

rse

Rob-I will check into him. Given that time period in LA, his paths likely crossed with John Goodlad and he has been shockingly overt about his intentions for a long time.

Somebody appears to be emailing yesterday's perhaps angry I am on those mailing lists and tracked back through to the underlying "authority."

Always interesting. Thanks for the tip.

Porchlight

I understand the distinction many have made between stating what most of us understand to be true about the 47% (that they are seduced into voting Dem by the promise/deliverance of goodies) and stating so in public. But Geraghty conflates this by saying that Romney (who made both statements in private, to donors, the wisdom of which can of course be challenged) would ultimately show these true colors in public as well. And he goes on to say that he takes issue with the actual postion itself, not merely the statement of it.

That seems to me to be at minimum totally disingenuous since Geraghty spent a good deal of time defending Romney when the 47% comment came out. Let's face it, NRO likes being the minority party. And they are well-suited for it (most of them anyway). Still a few fighters left like Andrew McCarthy.

Reagan espoused a positive message, but he had a very different electorate who were receiving far fewer goodies, and of course race was not an issue. Since the stumbling Ford nearly beat Carter in 1976, I have no problem believing that Romney running the same campaign would have beat Carter in 1980.

That is not to diminish Reagan at all, of course. Just that I think Romney really did run a positive campaign. He got caught out once while answering a donor's specific questions about tactical electoral issues - how are you going to reach the unpersuadables? - NOT about governance. And again he made remarks after he'd already lost, and again to donors. Remarks that some people like Geraghty seem to have used to brush off the dirt on his toga. Whew, we dodged that bullet, good thing you've still got your lousy column, Jim.

narciso

Steyn, Nordlinger, (who was the first who brought Ted Cruz to attention) McCarthy, Goldberg, Ponnuru, et al, aren't following the logic of their own analysis, re LF and PoD

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