Whodunnit? Benghazi Talking Points Mysteriously Changed

The Administration talking points on Benghazi were edited to downplay the terror references, but by whom? In a nice display of synchronized finger-pointing, everyone involved says it was someone else.

Vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Saxby Chambliss (R., Ga.) also said on Fox News Sunday that Petraeus said the initial talking points were altered and that senior intelligence and security officials did not know who was behind the changes.

“At the hearing we had on Thursday and Friday, we had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the State Department, the FBI, everybody there was asked, do you know who made these changes? And nobody knew,” Chambliss said.

“The only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the White House. I don’t know whether what they said yesterday is exactly right or not. But, what I do know is that every member of the intelligence community says that references to al Qaeda were removed by somebody and they don’t know who. And references to attacks versus demonstrations were removed by somebody.”

Chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) disagreed with Rogers and said allegations the White House changed the talking points were false. “So there was only one thing that was changed and I’ve checked into this, I believe it to be absolute fact and that was the word ‘consulate’ was changed to ‘mission,’” she said on the same program.

Although they risk offending their Silicon Valley supporters, Team Obama might want to consider blaming AutoCorrect.

Comments

[Clarice]

I believe the Teamsters agreed to a cut and the Bakers struck, NK, but then you know how addled I get.

[JM Hanes]

Make that "casual fraud or carelessness."

[daddy]

Clarice's French Restaurant post about some fab French meal on the previous thread prompted this thought.

In the book I recently finished, on Thomas Jefferson taking his slave over to France to learn how to cook French food, it mentions that later, while back in the States and in Washington's Cabinet, Hamilton was desperate to create a Federal Bank and mentioned to Madison and Jefferson that if he could not get one created, he was going to resign as Treasury Secretary.

According to the book, Jefferson after discussion with Madison, decided to invite Madison and Hamilton to Jefferson's digs in NY City, where only those 3 would be at a private dinner, cooked by Jefferson's newly trained French Chef, and over dinner they would try to cut a deal that would allow Hamilton to have his Federal Bank in exchange for Hamilton's agreement to allow a new Capitol to be built down in Northern Virginia in order to pacify the Southern States.

The meal was a success, and the author went off explaining what they think the 7 courses were and the desserts and all the wines and aperitif's etc. Apparently there is a whole book written just about the probable chow and wines used to liquor up Hamilton and get the deal cut.

I suspect many here know that bit of history better than I, but I found it fascinating.

[Melinda Romanoff]

NK-

Baker's Union is 30% of the workforce and was the lone holdout in total of 12 unions. Teamsters led negotiations and honored the deal throughout as did the others.

Not the baker's.

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

We should elect better election officials in counties where election results prove elections don't matter.

[NK]

MelR-- thanks, so the Bakers were the miscreant minority % union that struck, and they've agreed to nonbinding mediation. Meh-- I assume they'll still refuse any give backs and live off of their pensions.

[Melinda Romanoff]

NK-

Liquidation means no pensions, unless the union invested wisely on its members' behalf and didn't charge unreasonable "management fees" as is the norm.

They'll more than likely be PBGC customers, and "our" collective responsibility.

[Melinda Romanoff]

SEIU to strike Oakland Int'l Airport tonight.

Couldn't be coordinated action after an election, could it?

[Cecil Turner]

Q: What do you call a 500lb bomb dropped on a "media building"?

A. Poor weaponeering. Everyone knows a 1000lb'er is a practical minimum for complete destruction of a building (and that's the only reasonable goal).

On a more serious note, I think Rice was a fairly credible source on the Benghazi intel. The focus has been on the CIA, which, based on the fact that they actually had people on the ground fighting--even if it wasn't their primary mission--is completely reasonable. However, the attack was on a DoState asset, with real time reporting through State's chain, and they have their own intel section (which was presumably energized). And although she wasn't in the direct loop, she's high enough in the food chain to be well informed. The fact that she told a BS story shouldn't be considered proof she got her info in the green room.

[MarkO]

Ikeep saying, the word is that Kerry is a lock for State.

[daddy]

"Don't tell me any bad news or anything that will affect my re-election. If I don't know about it then I am in the clear and they can't pin anything on me." What other explanation is there

Obama: "Tell me everything. I'll call the shots. But if and when anyone asks (which they won't if they know what's good for them) I'll then say "I don't know about it so I'm in the clear.""

[Janet]

Maybe Rice is who they sent out because they have something ON HER, like they did Petraeus. I speculated that it was how the Dems kept control of Webb & Warner....they had to have something on those guys.

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

After a hard-fought race and a squeaker of a finish Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach has conceded defeat in the 52nd Congressional District.

Democrat Scott Peters is ahead by more than 5,000 votes. About 90,000 mail-in or provisional ballots still need to be counted, according to the San Diego County Registrar of Voters.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/nov/19/congressman-bilbray-concedes-talks-about-next-step/

I have no idea how many of the 90,000 are from Bilbray's district. I did hear Bilbray on the radio say he is ok having conceded because he can now get on to his Thanksgiving plans.

To bad he didn't think of that when he decided to run again.

He was shocked that he didn't do so well since he is one of the few republicans that is all for green energy projects.

Now we know the color of "shocked"...

[centralcal]

Was going to snark about this when all the "other other" woman news broke last week, but it has actually come to pass...

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor

Of. Course. RT @khinman: Natalie Khawam, the twin sister of Jill Kelley, has retained Gloria Allred as her lawyer.

[Dave (in MA)]

Where would Lurch do more damage, as Sec. of State or as Chmn. of Committee on Foreign Relations where he is now? (Or as Sec. Def., as per other rumors)

[daddy]

Interesting segment with the VP of WalMart on FOX by Stewart Varney.

Varney asked if Walmart had been contributing to the Sandy Relief effort and the VP said yes, and that they had given over 2 Million in cash and other kinds of assistance to help the victims in New York.

Then Varney asked, "Weren't you disallowed from opening branches in New York?", and the VP said yes, but then he said that when Governor Cuomo and Governor Christie called they felt they had to go on up and help out anyway. Varney smiled.

I thought that was perfect:

"Walmart, stay the hell out of New York...

...Walmart , Help!, Help! Help! Please, please, please, we need you in New York desperately, come save us!"

[centralcal]

Holder news...

Shannon Bream ‏@ShannonBream

Per @edhenryTV - AG Holder has agreed to stay on for "about a year"

Why only about a year?

[jimmyk]

only those 3 would be at a private dinner, cooked by Jefferson's newly trained French Chef, and over dinner they would try to cut a deal that would allow Hamilton to have his Federal Bank in exchange for Hamilton's agreement to allow a new Capitol to be built down in Northern Virginia

The story I recall was that the dinner topic was the assumption of the states' war debts by the federal government. Or was that a different dinner? In any case, I thought the compromise was assumption of the debt (which was viewed as a big windfall for northeast financial interests) in exchange for moving the capital from NYC to a swamp on the MD/VA border. Anyway, would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that event.

[James D.]

Per @edhenryTV - AG Holder has agreed to stay on for "about a year"

Why only about a year?

Because that's when his contract runs out and Lucifer will show up to claim his soul?

[pagar]

JM Hanes,
I don't believe Allen West got a full and Complete recount.

"Following the recount of early ballots cast only in St. Lucie County, Murphy had 65,841 votes to West's 52,704 in that county.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/West-Murphy-/2012/11/18/id/464562#ixzz2ChrKqyn7

But I think you have the right plan.

"It occurs to me that we should start campaigning for the RNC to make funding conditional on a candidate's agreement not to concede any election -- not matter what the margin of defeat might be -- until every vote has been counted and/or accounted for."

Sounds great. Thanks for your efforts to make elections honest.

[daddy]

Stuart Varney on FOX says to Senator Hatch that Hatch will cave on Taxes for the Rich in the Fiscal Cliff talks.

Hatch says "No."

Who you gonna' believe?

[jimmyk]

JMH's idea goes in the right direction, but if the voting process itself is tainted, then all we're doing is recounting tainted votes. And Bush-Gore suggests that the recount process itself can be dubious. It's like some film noir where corruption is everywhere, and at some point the idealist is told, "Forget it Jake, it's ChinatownFlorida."

[pagar]

"Where would Lurch do more damage"

If he has to be anywhere, he can do the least damage where he is now, IMO.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

"What is the sense in having elections?"

For openers, you can take and hold control of the house of representatives.

[centralcal]

I am sure narciso or someone else has already linked this today (I am in and out of the thread while at work, so not following closely). However, for those who haven't seen it - please do. The reporter is Matt Lee of AP taking it to Ms. Nuland of State.

What Matt does to press Ms. Nuland, I would love to see done to Obama - over and over again - on oh so many subjects. /dreaming

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

Bilbray is (was) my congressman. Bumped into him in the barbershop and found him a garrulous fool, unable ever to stop talking.

[Porchlight]

It's like some film noir where corruption is everywhere, and at some point the idealist is told, "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown Florida."

Whole country feels like that nowadays.

[cathyf]

Hostess Brands Inc. and its striking union agreed to mediation Monday to avoid the immediate liquidation of the baker of Ho Hos, Twinkies and Wonder Bread.

Bad news for Tastykake fans. The sugary processed snack food market has a lot of overcapacity. Having that overcapacity eliminated by Hostess going out of business would strengthen the rest of the industry -- when supply goes down to match demand, then the price can go up to a level where the companies can make it.

Of course it sucks to be the Hostess employees who protested themselves out of jobs, but just because they didn't understand that their conflict was with the bakers at other companies rather than Hostess management doesn't mean that they didn't get their clocks cleaned by those competitors...

[Manuel Transmission]

rse, jmh and glasater:

Just heard part of the second hour of Glenn's radio show (delay broadcast out here). At about the 40" mark he spends about ten minutes on Agenda 21 and praises Rosa Koire and her efforts. She was apparently on his TV show last night and will be again tonight.

His comment was that as a very liberal Demoncrat, she still loved her country and he could easily reach across the aisle to someone like her.

[daddy]

Betsy Mccaughey on with Stuart Varney now, talking about ObamaCare and the consequences of States not setting up the State part of ObamaCare. Verbatem:

Varney, "Would this, "Don't set up an ObamaCare Exchange in your State", would that scuttle ObamaCare in that State?"

McCaughey: "Well certainly it is going to delay it and perhaps scuttle it. Here's what's going to happen. The Federal Govt is probably not going to be able to set up all these insurance exchanges by October, 10 and a half months from now. And so people will not be able to enroll in their required Health Plans thru a State Insurance exchange.

Here's the second glitch: This Law, not only calls for the State Insurance exchanges, it calls for State Insurance Exchanges to hand out subsidies to people to buy the mandated, Mandatory Health Plan. So people who were uninsured would have to buy the Health Plan, people who were previously covered by their own employer and got dumped out of Health Plans because they cost too much, they will have to buy Health Insurance on the Exchange, but where is the subsidy? This Law empowers subsidies for State Health Insurance Exchanges but in a careless error it did not provide for subsidies in the Exchanges set up by the Federal Government."

Varney: "Okay. Fast forward to lets say September of next year.

Mccaughey; "Big Trouble."

Varney: "And so in these States that don't have an exchange...?

McCaughey: And there is going to be Litigation because the Obama Administration says "We can hand out those subsidies regardless of what the law says", and the Lawyers say "No."

Varney: "The other States will say "Wait a minute, we don't want to spend our money either. Hey you Fed's, you can do it."

Mcc: "That's right."

Varney: "Now that would be the unravelling of the whole thing."

MCC: And, much litigation. Many people may lose their jobs because of ObamaCare but Lawyers, It's a full employment program for them."

Much more, including that the rules are still being written and costs are still going up by the Billions according to theAdministrations own estimates, but I suspect the full interview will soon be posted somewhere. Very enlightening to me.

[narciso]

I knew about Erdogan's comment, but not Nuland's response, but it's not surprising, Oliphant was elected in a runoff during a low turnout election, and that was because of a no naned storm that swamped the state.

Now Alred's inclusion does move a pawn, but what does that bring to the table, except you know untergang.

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

"Varney: "Okay. Fast forward to lets say September of next year.

Mccaughey; "Big Trouble.""

About the same time Holder splits.

[rse]

Thanks MT.

I had sent Rosa the post on that Bruce Katz's breakfast and Metropolitanism.

Dangerous not to see Agenda 21 as being a subset of this Ecosystem economy that is govt directed with Cronies around Green Energy. Precisely because they want to be the decision-makers not in danger of Creative Destruction.

Want to control use and strip away most of the benefits of private ownership without technically eliminating it.

Always look to the function when the UN is invloved.

[daddy]

It occurs to me that we should start campaigning for the RNC to make funding conditional on a candidate's agreement not to concede any election -- not matter what the margin of defeat might be -- until every vote has been counted and/or accounted for.

JMH,

At first glance I like it. Could use a possible bit of tweaking in certain cases fer instance such as maybe a dual agreement between the candidate and the RNC, but I like the idea overall. Did you ever think inside the box to begin with?

[daddy]

"I believe the Teamsters agreed to a cut and the Bakers struck,"

That's what I heard up here as the story broke.

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

Do what I am doing.

Campaign against the RNC until they make the changes.

[Porchlight]

“Now, on other hand, as President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress -- the Congress of the United States -- even though sometimes I wish I could.”

Dear Leader in Myanmar, oops, Burma, after pronouncing the resident Nobel Laureate's name wrong

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/19/Obama-in-Burma-Congress

[daddy]

OT,

Find it interesting that this FOX Business reporter:

was the littlest daughter on the TV Series "LIttle House On The Prarie."

She is interviewing Arthur Laffer this instant on FOX Business channel.

[daddy]

France downgraded by Moody's today due to "a loss of competitiveness."

[daddy]

Laffer closes the segment by saying he wants a T-shirt with the following motto printed on it: "The French don't have a name for "entrepreneur" anymore."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Unless it's copyrighted I recommend DoT's 5:01 comment be used as a template for any JOMer who bumps into a Congressman;

____________ is (was) my congressman. Bumped into him [her] in the _______________ and found him a garrulous fool, unable ever to stop talking.

[daddy]

My coffee high must just be kicking in when everyone else's has just wound down:)

[narciso]

Well you know who my rep is, and they wouldn't deign to show up in my neighborhood, I once met
fmr. President Gaviria, then OAS chair, and the words 'weaned on a pickle,' were never more true,

[henry]

Daddy, you're at the transition to beer (or other adult beverage) for the rest of us.

[daddy]

SEIU to strike Oakland Int'l Airport tonight.

Yikes, I'm paxing into Oakland tonight! Will keep you advised.

[Momto2]

Here is a perhaps naive and silly question ..... why can't the committee bring up one, two, or more of the "survivors" of the Benghazi attack and question them? It seems their experience would be beyond reproach - especially if they know that they were calling (begging) for help.

And anyway - where are those people today? I remember one story where a man said his son survived - had multiple injuries (including broken bones) and was being treated at Walter Reed. Anyone else know of this?

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

Mike Medved just said the Dream Act is supported by 80% of the country.

Is that right?

[Clarice]

So, whichever rich people are left in France wil buy properties in Spain and establish new residences on the Costa Brava--a lot easier than getting Swiss citizenship.

[Porchlight]

Momto2, nobody knows who or where those people are. They have doubtless been ordered not to talk to the media, who are happy to pretend they don't exist. It's only two plus months ago and it's already ancient history.

[narciso]

David Ubben was his name,

[Clarice]

Those guys seem to be CIA and if questioned it will need to e in closed hearings.

[daddy]

The story I recall was that the dinner topic was the assumption of the states' war debts by the federal government.

You're probably correct JimmyK. That was in there but the Fed Banking System was what somehow stuck in my head. Thankfully I covered my arse and waffled, like Obama, by saying "I suspect many here know that bit of history better than I." Me for Secretary of State!

[Extraneus]

What other explanation is there

Obama: "Tell me everything. I'll call the shots. But if and when anyone asks (which they won't if they know what's good for them) I'll then say "I don't know about it so I'm in the clear.""

Nah. The way it works was explained in The Godfather.

Obama: "Tell Valerie everything."

[Clarice]

Janet, I never thought much of Warner who succeeded in politics because he looked the part and--like Kerry--married and divorced a couple of very rich women.

I consider Webb an exceedingly unstable personality. I doubt anyone had to force him to act stupidly.

[narciso]

Wll I was referring to the injured DS official, that Lake highlighted.

[Captain Hate]

Dear Leader in Myanmar, oops, Burma, after pronouncing the resident Nobel Laureate's name wrong

Multiple times. What an embarrassing clod.

[daddy]

Mike Medved just said the Dream Act is supported by 80% of the country.

Is that right?

TK.

No. What he actually said was "the Dream Act is supported by 80% of the people in this, "the greatest nation on God's green earth":)

As for whether it's true or not, beats me.

[henry]

For those who need a pick-me-up, the left whining about redistricting in WI. My reply: we won, shut up!

[Gus Thomas Male Prostitute]

daddy,seems to me you are "HORNING" hehehehehe in on Ignatz'territory.

[narciso]

TOTUS was on refresh mode, thanks 51%,

[Manuel Transmission]

daddy,

That gal was on Neil's show last week and they talked about her new autobiography. Apparently it is another 'Mommy Dearest' situation and both of then came to tears talking about it.

[Extraneus]

80% of the country knows what the Dream Act is? Isn't that about double the number who know who the VP is?

[daddy]

And I don't know about you guys, but I am mighty PO'ed that the San Francisco City Council is trying to restrict my right to wander that burg nude@#$!

I left my pants, in San Francisco...

[narciso]

Well I think, you could compress that further;

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/268755-kerry-spokeswoman-speculation-over-appointments-a-ginormous-waste-of-time

[Captain Hate]

I'm saying NFW on that 80% number; although Medved, for all of his abundant flaws, usually doesn't misstate things like that.

[narciso]

One is reminded of the victories in this otherwise Mogatu crazy elections;

http://shark-tank.net/2012/11/19/up-and-coming-florida-conservatives-to-watch/

[Gus Thomas Male Prostitute]

I guess I'm in the 20%. If you come here illegally, there must be a price you pay. The Dream Act is crap,

[Captain Hate]

Well I think, you could compress that further

I think Lurch's staff skirt who was the source of that howler got in the middle of the dustup with Palin, that ended up with the troops laughing at the hapless long-faced winter soldier.

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

I don't know if Medved has podcasts or not. I sure would like to hear that again. His Hispanic caller and he were discussing how Mitt totally blew it when Mitt said adios dream act.

[narciso]

Irony, is crunchy, with peanut butter, aint it;

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/romney-47-party-host-may-rescue-thousands-of-union-jobs-at-hostess/

[henry]

GTMP, is your armadillo in the 80%?

[Momto2]

My guess on Medved's 80% is it depends on how the question is worded... Probably something like this...."if an innocent child is brought against its will into the U.S. and knows NOTHING about any other culture or country, has no relatives in another country, etc. etc.

and if said child happens to be a potential brilliant scientist, doctor, engineer, (pick one) - Do You Believe the Mean Old White Republicans should send that poor little child back to another country where he has nobody to take care of him????? Where he will get no education???? Where his potential as a brillliant scientist, doctor, or engineer will never be reached????

Something like that!

[narciso]

I saw that, she also appeared in a piece where Alexandra got a DUI

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/06/sen_kerry_clarifies_joke_about.html

[Clarice]

Instead of an island would a moated castle do? Cabbage lovers could prepare it in one of the outbuildings.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/expatproperty/9641189/Castles-palaces-and-chateaux-for-sale.html?frame=2382397

[daddy]

Janet, I never thought much of Warner who succeeded in politics because he looked the part and--like Kerry--married and divorced a couple of very rich women.

Clarice,

Are you guys are talking about Senator John Warner?

If so, my very elderly at the time Grandparents had moved into a very swanky Condo/Hotel in Richmond Va at the time that Warner was married to Liz Taylor. I think it was "The Jefferson", and they lived way up on like the 20th floor, and Warner had a condo 1 floor lower, and across the way. Grandma LaLa was probl'y 90 at the time, but she was so excited to be near those celebrities, that she would sit in her room with the lights out like Jimmy Stewart in that Hitchcock classic "Rear Window", and try to catch glimpses of John and especially Liz, wandering around their condo scratching themselves and burping and fartin' and all the rest.

My mom used to joke that it probably added a decade to the old gal. Very much fun when I'd visit and Lala would limp around with her walker to point out Liz's digs and explain what she had for breakfast that very morning.

And I know this next bit will also catch you guys by surprise, but it appears that Lindsey Lohan's new Made for TV biopic as Liz Taylor, is being panned. Imagine that!

Here's pics.

I have to say I agree. When I spotted Liz thru the shutters from Lala's darkened room in "The Jefferson", she looked more Rosanne Barrish than Lindsey Lohanish.

And with that, I will leave you folks for a bit.

[narciso]

No we're talking about Mark the cable mogul,

[Captain Hate]

TK, Medved's site looks like it has a couple places to listen to his show 24/7. Not sure if it's a Levin-esque freebie or a Ingraham/Bruce/Miller pay-to-listen.

[Barbara]

...why can't the committee bring up one, two, or more of the "survivors" of the Benghazi attack and question them? It seems their experience would be beyond reproach - especially if they know that they were calling (begging) for help.

MomTo2,

Good question and good idea. If he were willing, I would also recommend that they call in Tyrone Woods' father as well. This would give him a wider forum in which to state his grievances against the administration for not coming to the aid of his son.

[Captain Hate]

If he were willing, I would also recommend that they call in Tyrone Woods' father as well. This would give him a wider forum in which to state his grievances against the administration for not coming to the aid of his son.

Considering how the commiecrats shamelessly used the daft Sheehan, nobody with a sense of right and wrong could object to him testifying.

[Gus Thomas Male Prostitute]

Here is an interesting question.

Why hasn't anyone asked Obama the Dimwit, why HE KNEW it was a terror attack (remember Candy Crowley and Opie agree), yet after his U.N.Ambassador went out and lied, OBAMA DIDN'T NOTICE? It would seem that he would want to correct her "DISINFORMATION", unless of course you conclude that Obama is a pathetic lying hack.

[Barbara]

Considering how the commiecrats shamelessly used the daft Sheehan, nobody with a sense of right and wrong could object to him testifying.

CH,

They did the same thing with the family of Pat Tillman.

[Captain Hate]

Ah, right you are, Barbara.

[Clarice]

daddy, that very Warner. They had a country estate in Middleburg and Elizabeth put on the very best fundraisers for Wolf Trap Farm park in its history. My husband was counsel to it and on one occasion barely missed being flattened as she almost fell off the stage onto him. She actually was a very nice person. Warner courted her like mad until they married and the marriage didn't last long

[Gus Thomas Male Prostitute]

My armadillos is like my pants. I left it San Francisco!!!

henry, I heard Queen on the Radio today (no San Fran pun intended). Fat Bottom girls.

Big Bottoms, my girls got em.

[jimmyk]

nobody with a sense of right and wrong could object to him testifying.

But you're talking about Congress, so who knows. Most either have no sense of right and wrong or no spine.

[Barbara]

Barack Obama blunders again on the world stage
by Nile Gardiner, The Telegraph Nov. 19, 2012

It is rather embarrassing, as well as sad, that the leader of the free world can’t even pronounce the name of the most famous human rights activist on the planet. Or that he is so quick to appease Burma’s authoritarian regime by calling it “Myanmar”. Barack Obama’s gaffes demonstrate not only a marked lack of attention to detail and a high degree of amateurishness on the part of the White House, but also a disturbing willingness to curry favour with unsavoury regimes. Hardly a good omen for Obama’s second term.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100190254/barack-obama-blunders-again-on-the-world-stage/

[narciso]

The Zombie Horde, have come, (sorry Jozs) and they mean to set the place, ablaze, hence the irony of the 'Let It Burn' contingent at Ace,

Yes, but that was Evil NeoConzz, eleventy, not
the 'kindest, bravest, president. . .'

[Clarice]

The castle in Umbria has a special feature that might be of interest to us: "The prison, in the north east tower of the perimeter wall, offers scope for restoration as an apartment for very special guests!"

[Captain Hate]

Ugh, I just saw a clip of the JEF speaking in Myamar where, of course, he made the speech about himself.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Do ValJar and Axelpluffe have national security clearance?

[narciso]

Caterina Sforza would make good use of such facilities, at Rivaldino for instance,

[Captain Hate]

Thanks for that link so I won't mistakenly call Burma "Myanmar" again.

[Extraneus]

I liked #3 in Ireland the best. We could easily chip in and buy that one. 15 bdrms, around $1M each, never mind the cottages, lodges and 173 hectares.

[narciso]

No he'll call it Al Quds next time,

[centralcal]

Clarice: I had to chuckle at the modern castle interpretation in the Dominican Republic - views of the beach/ocean, rooftop gardens, fresh water. But, alas, the "interior decoration is a little on the gaudy side."

ha ha ha ha ha!

[Extraneus]

Actually it's a steal at quite a bit less than $1M per bdrm.

[Captain Hate]

LOL narc; or the Maldives

[centralcal]

Ext: I think I agree about the Irish estate - looked clean and structurally sound. Pretty, serene grounds. Hopefully, plumbing that function, too.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Daddy,

Caro and I are on the left, right at the edge. AB I only laughed at the 2nd podcast, I missed the first. I think Caro was laughing at that one.

[Extraneus]

Humewood Castle