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December 13, 2012

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centralcal

Susan Rice has withdrawn her name from consideration for SOS per multiple reports on Twitter.

matt

Weight limits would really help in the NFL these days. having one or two 300+ lb linemen jump on your head is much worse than one or two 240 lb linemen.

Further, the damage that comes from simple head/neck injuries because of the weight of said heads and necks also contributes. Same goes for knees, ankles, hips, etc.

When I was a kid my best friend's dad had played both ways back in the old days. I remember him barely able to walk at the age of 40-45.

A lot of guys my age who played are now getting hip & knee replacement surgery and would be cripples without these options.

It's an inherently violent sport, but God save us from drunken rugby players. They have to be the single most obnoxious subset of homo sapiens extant. I have never witnessed such pure puerile bacchanalias, nor enjoyed a few of them more.

Old Lurker

Clarice...those friends who handed over houses to their kids to get the benefit of the $5.2M gift exclusion are screwed when they ask for that house back when the kids have but a $1M exclusion and will have to pay gift tax on the then higher value of the house just to give it to dear old Dad. And you know as well as I do how a future creditor of the kid would come after and reverse any gift designed to get assets away from the creditor.

Your advice to your friends (above on this thread) is the right advice. It is crazy.

NK

OL@343-- very true. The Lefty supporters of the Dems who don't actually provide votes are gonna learn soon that the Dem party is a gangster organization that takes care of itself first. So ideological pals of the Dems who give editorial and financial support, but unlike public unions and welfare industry mill types don't actually provide votes-- they will get it in the neck from the Dems. The Dems need huge tax revenue to keep their gangster organization afloat, so high income Northeasterners, Not For Profits, Universities, etc -- they all will get crushed in the Dem's selfish quest for tax revenue to payoff the public unions and welfare industry who deliver their base votes.

Melinda Romanoff

OL-

Those pledges aren't going to mean hooey with the AMT rollback.

NK

Matt on Rugby-- do the words "Elephant Walk" mean anything to you?

narciso

Are the bath salts at all govt offices;


http://theothermccain.com/2012/12/13/mad-scientist-calls-for-murderous-rampage-against-watchdog-group/

NK

Down goes Rice!!!! -- right under the bus-- she didn't even make it as a candidate to the inauguration. NEXT!...

Old Lurker

True that, Mel. My new charity is the liquor store up the street.

Melinda Romanoff

And me still long Diageo. Heh.

Melinda Romanoff

Susan Rice removed herself, which naturally exposes the real racism of the GOP.

And sexism.

And Anti-terror profiteering.

Old Lurker

See NK, that's where the church has really screwed up. Last time around in the middle ages they had placed themselves between the sinner and heaven or hell. Then they sold indulgences for real cash and promised to pick the better door for the sinner.

Now there is no sin and no hell, and all indulgences are sold by the government directly with no middleman required.

So my bishop is out of luck.

narciso

Speaking of which, the waterboarded subject, who gives up the courier, in ZD 30, according to a review in EW, is revealed to be a Saudi, the only one that fits the bill is a lad from one of my favorite Arabian families, the Quahtanis,

Frau Steingehirn

Clarice, Business insider sides with cathyf as should we all. My husband wasn't fooled for a second but he was not the product of US education and *his* father was a mathematical natural.

NK

So BarryI will post a jobs description for SoS candidates. Something like: 1. must be a committed Leftist anti-american academic or pundit; 2. any actual work experience in a commercial business disqualifies the applicant; 3. being a Christian in good standing disqualifies the candidate, muslim affiliation a plus; 4. proof of anti-semetic instincts are prized in the candidate, and we understand that those instincts may not have been reduced to writing. Send CVs to BARRYI's House attention ValJ.

NK

OL@401: heh

Melinda Romanoff

I'm also hearing "her withdrawal was in spontaneous response to a video."-Stephen Gutowski

That was ON yesterday.

Mike Check Day.
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Captain Hate

Ewok really thinks he is wiser then Steyn

Yeah I didn't know where to start with the ridicule on that so I decided to leave it to others.

Melinda Romanoff

Hi Kim!!

Old Lurker

Kim's back!

& Catalina Aragonia.

Had a little chat with Cap'n Stormfield.
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narciso

Hey, Kim, the absurdity of that piece, almost created it's own star gate, Captain,

Rest assured we have a mutual feeling about the folks, in the LUN

Melinda Romanoff

Fun top post at WUWT. I'm still trying to regain my breath from the deep shock.

I might add my sides hurt too.

matt

NK yes, and we'll leave it at that.

Obama has all he desires in a SoS in Kerry. Elitist cheese eating surrender monkey; anti- American supremo; utterly incompetent; arrogant beyond belief.

He'll fit right in with the French and British Foreign Ministry mandarins. They have all been trying to bring down their governments for the past 50 years. Now they can take a shot at Western Civ.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps Ms. Rice decided that proactively crawling under the bus before being thrown was the more prudent approach.

Melinda Romanoff

matt-

Hagel has been floated for Hillary!'s ample seat.

Old Lurker

Makes sense, TC. You have a better chance of missing the muffler and the differential if you crawl under yourself.

NK

Matt-- I don't think john effin' Kerry has any documented anti-semetic rants, but I bet he can satisfy BARRYI's SoS requirements through some anecdotes from back in the day at Prep School and Yale.
So you have witnessed the Elephant Walk-- it is quite a thing.

narciso

He's been a long time Arabist flunky, despite the sort of obvious detail about his background

Thomas Collins

Have we heard from Sue and GMAX on the LUNed news?

Jim Eagle

The take away line from Ace at narciso's 3:45pm link is this:

"What sort of vicious weaklings does the BBC hire? What sort of malevolent cowards are attracted to that organization?"

My answer: The same people who are attracted to the New York Times, The Washington Post, HuffingtonPost, Daily Kos, LGF, The Nation, The Democrat Party, Unions, SEIU, The Rainbow Coalition, SPLC, Code Pink, NARL, etc. Just to name a few.

pagar

Ref Narciso'03:56.

Everyone needs to read it and also

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/government-scientist-threatens-murderous-rampage-after-watchdog-org-exposes-massive-spending-at-secret-junk-science-lab/

The top person makes a million and 2 more make half a million in salary a year.

I'd be willing to be the USA has not received $1 dollar worth of benefit from the entire life of the organization.

Why are we paying government employees more than we pay the president?

Frau Steingehirn

It seems Hillary! has finalized her escape from Benghazi-gate responsibility. It's a gift.

How will F'n Kerry cope with the loss of Hillary!'s seat? Teh-ray-zah can't soak enough raisins in gin for that disappointment.

fdcol63

Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, Valerie Jarrett, and Jamie Gorelick .... what could go wrong? LOL

NJ Jan

For some reason, I have not been able to post off and on. Starting late yesterday, it was off. If this is successful, I guess I can post again until I can't .

Melinda Romanoff

NJ Jan-

Does the bank show if the check was cashed?

NJ Jan

Looks like I can post so--
Belated happy birthday Ignatz
OL -- please remember when you are financial gifting, you are my favorite (so there H&R)

matt

That's about the time I used to exit, stage right, NK. Homoeroticism never did anything for me, nor did infantilism or drinking till one puked.

My theory is that an awful lot of the f'ed up things in our society can be traced directly to some very basic character flaws. I have watched entire industries destroyed by the "mine is bigger than yours syndrome", and the puerile flash of Wall Street certainly doesn't come under the clean and sober act.

Jim Eagle

NK,

More Rugby: After Seddy got the "sin bin" for 8 minutes his team down one man scored their first try to make it 17 to 7 before the half. So, like in soccer if you are down a man you can still win (i.e. Chelsea last year in the Champion's League semi).

Just like in politics, you can win even if out manned. Boehner knows that and is playing hard ball with only a pair of 3's in his hand:)

Jim Eagle

matt,

According to my old boss, who was a McKinsey guy at one time, their studies determined that 75% of all businesses that failed, failed because they resisted "Change". They thought they were the cat's meow and all these competitors knew nothing about their business because they were using some different kind of model not knowing it was the model people wanted that day.

The GOP needs the same advice.

NJ Jan

MR@4:38pm

It was lost in the mail?

narciso

Well I would say the problem is more they forgot what what they really believe, and they are vainly looking for 'change' including their principles;

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/13/msnbcs-andrea-mitchell-reacts-to-rice-withdrawal-in-her-own-special-way/

NJ Jan

It doesn't matter to me if the next SoS is Susan Rice or John Kerry. Both are abhorrent. Whoever O selects will not represent the United States interests.

fdcol63

Andrea Mitchell .... what a vile and despicable old hag.

Giving Helen Thomas a run for her money.

NK

JiB@441-- I think matt shut down the Rugby thread at 439;


Matt-- infantile management has done in a more than fair share of companies, no doubt. But IMO the plurality of business failures are due to excessive debt or excessive risk or both.

Jim Eagle

Even at here age, Andrea Mitchell, still has a severe case of acne. But I never knew you could grow it on the brain.

narciso

No, that's just the slugs from Ceti Alpha 6, we oppose her because of her (what's the yiddish
word for screwed up) judgement,

Jim Eagle

You can't shut down Rugby unless you are TM.

But if you don't want me to post my favorite Rugby songs then all it will take is to send me a gift card for Amazon. My email is on the LUN:)

narciso

And to think, Spiccoli turned out to be the smart one;

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/12/13/sean-penn-on-hugo-chavez-hes-an-inspiration/

Jane - Mock the Media!

That's what I was figuring, Jane. OL and DOT and GMAX would each give you $5,133,000, and you would share one third of your $15,399,000 bounty with me!

I can live with that. Anyone else hear Rice was going to be the head of National Security.

DrJ

But IMO the plurality of business failures are due to excessive debt or excessive risk or both.

In my area failure results primarily from lack of capital. But then start-ups are quite different from a business that has on-going sales and (gasp!) profits.

narciso

Now mind we need to be aware of Current, like the basilisk and the chupacabra, otherwise it's all rumor;


http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/13/video-michael-moore-tells-democrats-to-get-off-the-couch/

Clarice

Ferdrait,narciso. Fercocked is also ok and meshugana works. Yiddish is rich with synonyms for stupid thinking.

Jim Miller

Tom Wolfe had part of the explanation for the attraction of football in "The Right Stuff". He said, though not in these words, that the more dangerous the sport, the more impressed most of us are.

That explains why we also admire test pilots, mountain climbers, et cetera, et cetera.

And I suspect that this is an evolutionary adaption, that we admire courageous young men, because way back when the survival of our tribes often depended on them.

(Some of us -- me, for instance -- like football because of the interacting strategies, both in building teams, and in the play calling.)

rse

Hi Kim!

On business failures, when I was a young associate about 9 months in I was asked to do due diligence on a company that had been a tax client and wanted corporate representation. Large company. Go through their minute books after flying to their HQ. This was back when there were 10 large acctg firms. The lead acct would raise an issue that was vague in minutes. Next thing I know in the subsequent minutes another firm is being announced as their new auditors. Happened at least 3 times over 5 years.

Took good notes and then had to go back and tell the partners I didn't think it was a representation we wanted and why. Partner said it backed up someone else's instinct.

About a year later big scandal. Press coverage. Sometimes things are too good to be true.

matt

I saw the LUN in the WSJ this morning.

Today, our government can read our e mails, listen to our cell phones, track our cars, and go through our garbage at will. Soon there will be more surveillance cameras than citizens.

We are well beyond Orwell's admonitions and yet the only voice I have heard in years has been Hentoff's.

That this is happening without protest is simply amazing. Big Brother/Sister is calling the shots.

Jim Eagle

Okay, big decision. We are going up to Southampton on the 27th after our Boxing Day open house. Mrs. JiB needs to go into the City for her passport renewal at the Belgian consulate. If you go in before New Years the hotel rates are twice what they would be after New Years. But If we go in before New Years we can hit St. Pat's for Sunday Mass at 10:15 and get Frederick another meet up with Cardinal Dolan. Big decision.

Me? I want to save the money and get a suite at W Hotel, after the 1st.

Danube of Thought on IPad

Feinstein criticized the waterboarding scene in ZD30. The moviemekers' response was "we didn't say it did. This isn't a documentary, it's a movie."

Danube of Thought on IPad

Hey Sue--Josh Hamilton to the Angels.

gmax

I hsve no intention of giving Obama or Jane $5 MM. To that end OL, do you have any citation for your "attribution" rule?

Google is basically charging itself fees and moving fee revenue to Bermuda which has no taxation. If I own stock in Google do I get attribution earnings of it? I don't think so, so I see no reason why a corporation that I would own would be legally any different. Give me title and verse please.

Danube of Thought on IPad

I actually played three years of organized tackle football, offense and defense, without a face mask. They were almost unknown until my junior year in high school. There was some blood, and I remember once a kid got all four front teeth knocked out. But there weren't a lot of concussions because we didn't have the size, speed and power.

Clarice

St Jane's could be an international tax shelter..We'd let others land only their money there .

Clarice

Put cathy, not me, in charge of handling the money. DoT could be our front office guy and Rick would be in charge of bookkeeping. I am crazy about this notion.

Lichtenstein in the Caribbean.

Thomas Collins

Far be it from me to spend someone else's money, JiB. But since you asked, I recommend totalling up the extra dough and resolving to reduce discretionary expenditures in 2013 by a similar amount. Go early, and do the St. Pat's and Cardinal thing. What better reason to spend a little more in 2012!

narciso

The second one, Clarice, Spanish is very fluid with those terms as well, No Danube, Feinstein went all 'squirrel' and said we didn't interrogate the courier, no we 'doubletapped' him,

narciso

I also notice the EW review, had the same tag line that Bruni had in his Times piece, 'a Bin Laden film, even Cheney would love' memes won't grow by their own accord.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Clarice we spent the week thinking of just that both for the Potomac and Nantucket houses but the IRS conditions of the "QPRT" are just to onerous should one live long enough to have things change with the kid or the kid's spouse. "Renting" the house simply for the carry costs is a huge problem.--

OL,
You should contact either my good friend Henry Winkler or Fred Thompson. There is a wonderful program for people in your real estate boat. It's almost miraculous in its simplicity and so long as you spend like a sailor (I was going to say Democrat but they only spend other people's money) it will completely alleviate your estate tax concern regarding your personal real estate.
And it's government sponsored. What's not to love?

narciso

From my understanding, it was very much like the accounts of Quahtani's interrogation, although this part happened in stages, a properly supervised operation,

narciso

They won't stop with the stupid;

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/13/3763450/espn-rob-parker-rg3-race

Isn't it enough that he's at the top of his game,
he said rhetorically,

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Actually there is a fascinating problem embedded in there: can you maintain the aspects of football that make it fun, interesting and engaging, while losing the aspects that make it inherently dangerous for the players?--

Car racing faced the same problem from the mid fifties on. Was reading a story about the 1956 12 Hours of Sebring yesterday. Had a picture of five famous and accomplished drivers standing together. One of the five lived beyond 1960 and he was the person who many consider (me included) the greatest of all time; Fangio, so his survival may only have been because of his extraordinary talent.
John Fitch and Jackie Stewart were probably most instrumental in forcing safety standards on racing beginning mostly in the sixties.
Racing is now vastly safer even though speeds are far higher than the fifties and sixties and just as high as the seventies, but it's also lost a lot of appeal for most people.
The fifties and sixties are still known as the golden age of racing despite, or in some ghouls' cases because of, the carnage.
Safety will almost invariably make any sport less exciting. Any cases where it didn't?

Ralph L

Is the federal exemption per estate or per legatee? In NC, it is or was per legatee.

Not that I care--my grasping, profligate step-monster will spend my father into a Medicaid nursing home with his Navy retirement paying her mortgages.

Ralph L

DoT, my father's HS team in the 40's played on a field so hard, when they played at other schools that had actual grass, they'd try to get tackled.

Later, he broke a lower leg bone in JV practice at Annapolis. He told the coach he could feel it grating. The coach told him to run two laps and go to Misery Hall, then up a long flight of steps. He left after one lap, and he was walking back down the steps after an Xray when the doctor ran out and told him "Hold it right there, young man, you've got a broken leg!" So they brought out a stretcher and hauled him back up the steps.

gmax

Found this from a Cadwaller Atty
He makes the point elsewhere that you can deduct investment advisor fees in a foreign corporation that you are othoerwise limited to a miscellaneous deduction to the extent that the fees exceed 2% of AGI.

Under the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, starting in 2013, new section 1411(c) will impose an additional 3.8 percent tax on individuals, estates, and trusts on the lesser of their net investment income or the portion of their modified AGI76 exceeding $250,000 for a joint return or surviving spouse, $125,000 for a married individual filing a separate return, and $200,000 otherwise.77 In other words, individuals filing joint returns will generally be subject to an additional 3.8 percent "Medicare tax" on their net investment income (also referred to as unearned income), to the extent that the net investment income, when added to the individual's other modified AGI, exceeds $250,000.

Section 1411(c) defines net investment income to include (1) any gross income from interest, dividends, annuities, royalties, and rents (unless the income is derived from a trade or business that is not a passive activity or a trade or business of trading in financial instruments or commodities); (2) other gross income derived from a trade or business that is a passive activity or consists of a trade or business of trading in financial instruments or commodities; and (3) net gain attributable to the disposition of property (other than an active non-trading trade or business property), reduced by the deductions that are allowable for federal income tax purposes and are properly allocable to the gross investment income.

Thus, if a high-income individual earns $100,000 of gross interest income in 2013 from a hedge fund, but the interest income is subject to a $20,000 management fee that is a miscellaneous itemized deduction that the individual investor is not otherwise able to deduct, the individual would be subject to an additional Medicare tax of $3,800 ($100,000 x 3.8 percent), even though the investor will receive only $80,000 after payment of the manager's fee (and therefore the investor will bear Medicare tax at a rate of 4.75 percent on his economic income).

However, if the individual invests in a foreign corporation that is a CFC or a QEF PFIC, he would arguably be exempt from the additional Medicare tax on unearned income and, if not exempt, would certainly pay less tax.

First, as a preliminary matter, it is possible that subpart F and QEF inclusions are not subject to the 3.8 percent Medicare tax. The tax applies to interest, dividends, annuities, royalties, and rent, but subpart F and QEF inclusions are not listed. When Congress has intended to treat subpart F and QEF inclusions as dividends, it has done so expressly.78

narciso

Simple, no, and the rule doesn't formally take effect till April, after the 'royal audience' ahem comment period, just like the dog and pony show that Salazar ran in the spring of 2009, before he put large tracts of territory, off limits to OCS development

MarkO

I'm fascinated that people still try to be fair and accurate on their tax returns. What's wrong with you? Obama won; we can cheat on our taxes.

maryrose

Ralph L;
I feel your pain. My brother is in the clutches of someone spending his disability benefits.
I am learning so much about high finance on this thread.
As to the island, I prefer Ireland but their economy is hurting also. I do like the division of labor that Clarice is envisioning. I can counsel people who are adjusting to their new life and feel a bit homesick.

Ralph L

Aren't amateur players still dropping dead every year due to heat exhaustion or undetected heart problems? Why hasn't that changed the sport?

matt

There was a horrible crash at Le Mans, Ig, back in the early 50's, that I think began the process of re-thinking safety. One of the Mercedes flew into the stands and 80 people were killed.

If you've ever stood next to or watch some of those vintage racers the people who drove (and still drive) them have stones the size of basketballs. They simply were not meant to corner or stick to the track.

Even the early 60's stuff was very dangerous and the old Shelby's, Vette's, Ferrari's, etc of the mid-60's were very marginal. Indy was itself crazy fast.

My family has some history in racing and I was very happy when the real innovations of Fitch and some of the car designers came into play in the early 70's. Donahue was a family friend and those around him took it very hard.

Some of it came from crash research from the military as well.

Now, with the shoulder/neck braces and the way they lock the driver into the car with all of the safety features, thank God there are few issues with fires because tearing them out of the cars takes time.

I always felt the mid-late 60's to early 70's were the golden age. Can Am was vibrant, F 1 was in its glory; Drag racing was at its peak. My buddies and I built a Baja racer but ran out of money. When I was 16 or so my dream car was a Renault Alpine or one of those incredible Alfa racers.

maryrose

Marko:
I faithfully claimed all income for years and paid every last nickel. Now that I am retired, Obama can hunt me down for it.
Gmax:
What you posted is incredible. The unfairness is amazing to me. Politicians will find ways to get around all this and Obama and Sebelius will be at the head of the line to do so. It is teriibly discouraging but I think we have a lot of knowledge on this blog and that we will help each other get through.
OL: It so far sounds like an arduous process.

Jane - Mock the Media!

Apparently Hagel has some problems including trading with Iran. (Hey! Just like Susan Rice!)

Jane - Mock the Media!

St Jane's could be an international tax shelter..We'd let others land only their money there .

Love that - and Cathy can run it. I plan on running the bar at Clarice's kitchen.

Danube of Thought on IPad

It's very, very rare compared to the number of kids who participate, Ralph.

I think the demise of football will be hastened by parents discouraging their kids from playing the game.

maryrose

Jane:
All these politicians are on the take. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I am beginning to think that all the good ones have retired. I do like Senator Grassley. He was the only one who could embarrass Holder at the hearing for sending a false statement letter to Congress about Fast and Furious. He even started to stutter when he gave his then half truthful answer.

maryrose

WRT Susan Rice: I wonder who got the job of telling her she had to withdraw her nomination possibility. ValJar is my guess

maryrose

DOT:
My husband, his brother and my f-in-law all played high school grade school and college football. My son played until 8th grade and I was relieved when he lost interest. Just hearing the crunch of those helmets crashing together was painful to me.

Thomas Collins

OK, here's the crucial test of my new smartphone. Does it let me post at JOM.

narciso

Yep, Deutsch Bank,

http://times247.com/articles/iran-sanctions-might-stop-hagel-pick

narciso

And I'm sure this is just a coincidence;


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335499/hagel-defense-eliana-johnson


narciso

I went back to that EJ Dionne column I linked earlier, it and the comments on it, are mostly indistinguishable from the nutroots,

Jane - Mock the Media!

You win TC!

Thomas Collins

OK, thanks, Jane. I don't have to return it. I couldn't get the last one I had to post here.

Old Lurker

Gmax if you want to do what I asked at 3:29...that is use your own money to create a company in another country and then direct that company which you own to lend that money back to you so you can pay interest to your own company and thereby have that interest reduce your taxable income in the US while allowing that interest to accumulate untaxed offshore, then good luck with that.

Not my job to cut out code sections to prove it to you. When I proposed exactly that as a means of sheltering real estate income to a tax lawyer with extensive offshore practice he laughed out loud.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Clarice...those friends who handed over houses to their kids to get the benefit of the $5.2M gift exclusion are screwed when they ask for that house back when the kids have but a $1M exclusion and will have to pay gift tax on the then higher value of the house just to give it to dear old Dad.--

My rule of thumb for human behavior is (and I may have mentioned it here before);
you don't know anyone's and I do mean ANYONE'S true nature until they are or are about to become an heir.

There's something about the prospect of free money from dead people, even puny amounts, which rips the mask off those masquerading as rational humans among us like no other phenomenon except for maybe starvation.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

OL-

The tax treaties of the last three years will not make that as pleasant a game as you might think, and was the big reason Interpol got a seat inside.

gmax

OK so you don't know the IRS code sections, join the crowd, neither do I. I started this out as a request for the name and phone number of tax lawyers who could help structure a foreign corporation. I am still looking for that help, but I have found some very interesting articles and it made me think about items, like changing the character of investment advisor fees of which I pay a significant sum, would be significant benefit and avoiding Obamacare taxes could be a big item as well.

Anyone who has a tax atty who practices in offshore corporation, I would really love to engage him for a discussion. I will ultimately find one on my own, but this place is usually very good at networking so I am hoping for a lead or two.

Danube of Thought on IPad

I know I'm at risk of becoming a vox clamantis in deserto, but please hear me out.

I think changes to Obamacare are by far the biggest bargaining chip in play right now. The "fiscal cliff" is peanuts as far as taxes are concerned; the president cam ameliorate any effect on the middle class while tax reform is debated all through 2013, and when it is done the result can be made retroactive to January 1.

The GOP stance should be: you want to talk tweaking Obamacare? Sure, let's talk. But at the same time we'll talk tax and entitlement reform. Otherwise, you guys can play the hand you dealt yourselves. You figure out what you want to do, and get back to us.

And by the way: Tweaking? Think very major surgery for openers.

Gus

Danube, only one problem. You are a grown up. Boehner isn't.
Boehner will cave. Our fiscal nightmare isn't the CLIFF, it's the meltdown that WILL occur if Boehner caves. And he will.

narciso

This was the bit I mentioned earlier;

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/carney-unconscionable-gop-demand-spending-cuts-increasing-debt-limit

Who wants the art museum?  I got the Castle of Irony.

Philatelists' first base at Saint Jane's; numismatists stashed under home plate.
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