I Love It When A Plan B Comes Together

Joen Boehner is moving forward with Plan B. Keith Hennesey provides perspective.

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[RichatUF]

The coffee must be extra strong this evening.

[RichatUF]

It is not looking good in the House. Boehner called for a recess - must not have enough votes for Plan B. The spending cut bill to replace sequester barely squeaked by with 215 yays.

Posted by: centralcal | December 20, 2012 at 07:23 PM

[centralcal]

Well, he WAS moving forward. House called to hasty recess - apparently Boehner doesn't have enough votes.

[centralcal]

Thanks, Rich!

[RichatUF]

4 hours and 9 minutes until the end of the world.

Think I'll liveblog it...

[RichatUF]

centralcal-

No problem. Wanted to catch up, but too many threads.

Did Obama really use the Sandy Hook massacare to push his tax hike plan? I think that rates low even for him.

[narciso]

Well Burn Notice's mid season finale looks to be interesting, how is Michael going to get out of this one, He has to, they blow up his loft, next summer, the brilliance of local city government,

[centralcal]

I didn't listen to him - simply cannot bear the man any more. Although, I understand he did exactly that. There is no bottom to how low Obama can go.

[RichatUF]

The House went into an unexpected recess shortly before Republicans had hoped to vote on Boehner’s tax plan, when it was clear that the GOP was having trouble rounding up support for a tax bill that would raise taxes on millionaires. That bill is already dead on arrival in the Senate and faced a veto threat from President Barack Obama, but the GOP struggle to line up votes further complicated matters with the nation just 11 days from going over the fiscal cliff.

link here

[centralcal]

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

Cantor says no vote tonight. #fiscalcliff

[narciso]

Well it's Politico, so I'll take with a cup of salt,

[OldTimer]

No vote on Beohner's plan B tonight...vote canceled.

[Rocco]

Politically, I've always thought it important to take a stand, to believe in something, that's why I'm a registered republican and not an Independant. That may change real soon. If the GOP is going to compromise their principles, I'm out.

Rubio had a great point on Hannity last night. He said Democrats have no problem raising taxes when they want to deter behavior. Create a cigarette tax so people will quit smoking. Increase the gas tax so we'll drive less. And yet they want to increase taxes on small business...to deter what, business? Buffoons, every last one of them.

[NK]

Boehner is out if he doesn't get this done. Few things surprise me anymore, this does.

[RichatUF]

Well it's Politico, so I'll take with a cup of salt,

Seems to be confirmed.

NK-

Can't say that I'm not surprised. I think I'd be more surprised if Boehner doesn't hold onto the Speakership. A disaster all around.

[fdcol63]

I hope Boehner is ousted. I have lost confidence in him.

[narciso]

They seems a little more sensible over here;

http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik/aegypten-unter-mursi-niebel-warnt-vor-diktator-in-aegypten,10808018,21127670.html

you get the general drift even without the translation

[glasater]

Dow futures are down on this news of no vote. All the traders I follow on twitter appear to be heading back to work in their offices.

[Threadkiller]

Ig, WTF is this?!?!?

California Lumber Products Assessment

Beginning January 1, 2013, a new law requires a one percent (1%) assessment on purchases of lumber products and engineered wood products for use in California, based on the selling price of the products.

The new law affects retailers of lumber products or engineered wood products and purchasers, including construction contractors, who use these products in California.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/industry/lumber_products.html

[fdcol63]

Next up .... video of Boehner crying, with crocodile tears running down his orange, fake-tanned face.

[RichatUF]

Rocco-

Politically, I've always thought it important to take a stand, to believe in something...

Something terribly wrong with Washington DC and the US to have such a disfunctional political culture. How could they be so incompetent (and so greedy) that a "fiscal cliff" would even be possible? They are so scared of the CBO that they couldn't even permanently repeal the AMT? Couldn't make the Bush rates permanent?

[fdcol63]

With all his sobbing, I wonder why any of us thought he'd have the cajones to stand up to Obama and mealy-mouthed Harry Reid.

[RichatUF]

glasater-

Odd that so many were hopeful for a deal. Should be interesting too when the 2013 mandates for Zerocare start kicking in.

[glasater]

All this carp going on with the R's is just going to make O stronger which really upsets me.

Boehner should not have booted those conservatives off of committees.

[RichatUF]

With all his sobbing, I wonder why any of us thought he'd have the cajones to stand up to Obama and mealy-mouthed Harry Reid.

Or his golf date...

[glasater]

Yeah, Rich...

O can come in and dictate who gets what breaks to be the big hero in all this mess.

[bio mom]

So, and I ask this in all seriousness, what can be done now considering R s have so little power right now? The fiscal cliff devastates defense. Obama will love that (see Howard Dean about that). Right now the market is down over 200 points. What is the serious, adult answer here?

[narciso]

Yes, what was the point of that, one thing I do agree with Niccolo, is he urged ruthlessness against his enemies, but supporting your patrons, I don't know which book they are going by.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Ig, WTF is this?!?!?--

That would be more of your money going to Jerry Brown and the unions, TK.
But, hey, it's for the chilrun so it's OK.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

I've always had a soft spot for Boehner, and I have no idea why? I understand the principle involved and support it. But also understand the strategy. So I don't know how I would have voted.

[Threadkiller]

Ugh...

Thanks, Ig.

Bio, leave the GOP. Get off the Voter rolls as a Republican. That is the only way to let the party know you are unhappy.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

"Think I'll liveblog it..."

Be sure to start with "World ends. Women and minorities hit hardest."

[RichatUF]

bio mom-

What is the serious, adult answer here?

The serious answer was when Obama made his 1.6 Trillion offer, to pass the Simpson/Bowles plan unamended. It has the spending cuts and tax hikes the Dems want and it would have been on Reid and Obama to act.

[RichatUF]

I'll keep that it mind. I'm at my secret undisclosed location, a cold war era bomb shelter. I'm surrounded by feets of reinforced concrete and a heavy blast door.

I think I might survive.

[fdcol63]

If TEA Party-minded Republicans continue to be sidelined and marginalized by Establishment Republicans like Boehner, who continue to offer Americans nothing more than Dem-Lite alternatives, perhaps it will be time to try to create a new party that will ultimately replace the GOP as the other major national party in our 2-party system.

3rd party systems are inherently weak, IMO, and we've enjoyed much more stability with our 2-party system. But perhaps we'll need to go through a transitional phase, as has occurred in the past, until we have a new party that truly, once again, represents the interests of the rest of us.

[bio mom]

Rich Agree. but the Rs did not support it then. Bad idea in hindsight.

[RichatUF]

narciso-

Think the reps are reading the Winne the Pooh handbook to DC politics.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

House has recessed for Christmas and may not reconvene until the new congress.

YIKES

[MarkO]

On a brighter note, Duke gets the number one recruit.

Boehner is so last Congress. Let's put in one of our charismatic, principled, effective leaders.

This fiscal addiction will not end until we hit bottom. Let's get started. Women and minorities first.

[fdcol63]

RichatUF, exactly. The scary thing is this: if they can't stand up to an amateur like Obama, how can we expect the current GOP leadership to deal with FOREIGN enemies like Iran, Russia, China, et al?

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

I'm with you Mark, let's get it over with.

[RichatUF]

fdcol63-

Multiparty systems also tend to become more leftist over time. Gov. Palin tried to reform the GOP in Alaska and she got no thanks, stabbed in the back at every turn, and abandoned as a vicious personal destruction campaign was waged against her and her family. Seeing that, how many would now be willing to step into the fray?

[Threadkiller]

The text, the whole text, and nothing but the text(except for the video):

"The debate over the fiscal cliff has become so hyperbolic that we’re losing touch with common sense.

Contrary to many accounts, there is no bill before the Congress that proposes raising taxes on millionaires, or anybody else. There is a LAW that takes effect on January 1st that will raise taxes on millionaires -- and small businesses filing as millionaires – and everybody else. And there is a bill that would spare everybody else from those tax increases that is before us today.

The President says he wants to protect everybody except those greedy millionaires and billionaires. That’s precisely what this bill does, but he vows to veto it.

The truth is, he wants to sock everybody making over $200,000. That includes 1.3 million struggling small businesses filing under subchapter S, earning 84 percent of net small business income. That’s precisely the income they use to produce 2/3 of the jobs in our economy.

The Congressional Budget Office warns that Mr. Obama’s “eat the rich” crusade will actually result in throwing 200,000 middle class families out of work. Ernst and Young estimates 700,000 lost jobs.

But House Republicans now have a choice: we can try to save as many Americans from these ruinous tax increases as the President will permit; or we can end up at an impasse that assures taxes go up on everyone.

Let us pass this bill. If that doesn’t work, then let’s pass whatever level the President will agree to. It’s not as if we haven’t warned him.

Some of my fellow conservatives say that sparing most people from these tax increases is tantamount to raising them on others.

But if a lifeguard sees ten swimmers drowning off his beach and he can only save nine of them, it doesn’t mean that he’s drowned the tenth.

And no lifeguard would be worth a damn if he said: “My principle is that nobody should drown off my beach, and if I can’t save all then I won’t save any.”

As Americans watch as hundreds of thousands of middle class jobs are sacrificed on the ideological altar of Obamanomics next year -- I think the country will be a lot sadder and a lot wiser.

But until then, let’s save who we can."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhDB2fpG9Q

BTW, the Repukes have no use for McClintock.

[RichatUF]

And one more note re: Gov. Palin, she was by far the most popular elected official in the country when she was selected as VP, and in her tenure as governor, she had a track record of success and bipartianship.

[Captain Hate]

Well Burn Notice's mid season finale looks to be interesting, how is Michael going to get out of this one, He has to, they blow up his loft, next summer, the brilliance of local city government,

I'm halfway through season one and am enjoying it immensely. I didn't know after the initial episode how much I'd like Michael but now find him extremely entertaining.

[glasater]

I'm fond of Boehner also, Jane. Have appreciation for a fellow who has never taken an earmark in his career but unless he can consolidate any support he may have left he's toast as far as I understand the workings.
I have a deep longing for a Lee Atwater type right at the moment but don't see one on the horizon.

[Rocco]

Rich...you hit the nail on the head. To me, this is about my kids, and their kids and their kids after that. What kind of future are we leaving our children? It's generational theft and unconscionable.

[Steve]

Feel Good Story of the Day: "Layaway Angels" return to Kmart...

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com/2012/12/feel-good-story-of-day-layaway-angels.html

[Janet]

I've always had a soft spot for Boehner, and I have no idea why? I understand the principle involved and support it. But also understand the strategy. So I don't know how I would have voted.

Same for me. I just don't think he's the enemy....& I don't feel like making fun of him. Decades of lousy politicians have led us to this place. While we rip apart Boehner...tub o'lard Barney Frank sits in retirement...never answering for Fannie & Freddie....So many others....

Shrink government, shrink government, shrink government. Stop spending, stop spending, stop spending.

[narciso]

Well Anwar and Campbell are the real players who make the show work, with her off again, on again, Irish brogue, and her penchant for explosives, and his wisecracking con man act.

JM, is partiallu right, Donovan is often a little too sober, maybe even bitter, then again as you discover what he's been put through,

[Threadkiller]

For the love of God, please (S)croll (O)n (B)y!!

TRO motion enjoining Congress from certifying Obama’s votes will be heard on January 3, 2012 by Chief Judge of the Eastern District of CA, Judge Morrison C. England.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/12/california-judge-sets-hearing-for-obama-challenge.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--The serious answer was when Obama made his 1.6 Trillion offer, to pass the Simpson/Bowles plan unamended.--

Yep.

[RichatUF]

Janet-

Shrink government, shrink government, shrink government. Stop spending, stop spending, stop spending.

So simple. Why is it we need thousands of employees at the Agriculture Department (to administer the food stamp program?) when everything they do could be more effectively done at the state and local level? No opportunities for graf and featherbedding &c &c...

Puts me in an Ebenezer mood.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Shrink government, shrink government, shrink government. Stop spending, stop spending, stop spending.

Posted by: Janet | December 20, 2012 at 09:03 PM--

When Boehner or any other Republican besides Rand Paul actually tries that I'll give them a pat on the back.
Until then they're just playing slightly less childish games than the Dems.

[centralcal]

This is all really, really depressing.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

I dunno, Sean Hannity seems to think it is the best thing since sliced bread. He with Alan West and Marsha Blackburn have elevated my mood.

[RichatUF]

This is all really, really depressing.

3 and a half hours to go and damn it I'm working.

[RichatUF]

Jane-

Sean Hannity seems to think it is the best thing since sliced bread.

Going over the cliff?

[narciso]

Well as long as you keep your towel, everything's
copacetic,

[RichatUF]

Dow futures are down on this news of no vote.

About 200 points so far with Asia down by about 1%.

narciso-

Well as long as you keep your towel, everything's
copacetic.

I'm going to puzzle over this one for a while.

[narciso]

Hitchhiker's Guide, Ford Prefect's backup plan,

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rich-

The headline algos are running this one, on the premise that funding will dry up.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

I'm sure Judge England will have no problem issuing an injunction against the United States Congress, in which he prohibits their certifying the votes for a president just re-elected with about 70 million votes. Why on earth wouldn't he?

Let's discuss. Or not.

[narciso]

Lies, are the currency of the land, at every level, it's a carnival of the absurd,

[Captain Hate]

Same for me. I just don't think he's the enemy....& I don't feel like making fun of him.

I do because he hasn't done a good job of being an opposition party leader. He's had lots of examples of what to do when the donks are on the outs: They make high exposure pains in the ass out of themselves. Is it mature or distinguished? No. Is it effective? Yes.

He's not a bad person per se; he's just not a leader. Leadership's not for everybody, obviously.

I really really got upset with one of my fellow morons yesterday when he said that Allen West was redistricted out of office because of a bipartisan state commission. You know what "bipartisan" means? Conservatives get screwed and all the statist pukes are happy all because of *wonderful* bipartisanship.

[centralcal]

I just assuaged my depression by eating a whole dungeness crab (or however it is spelled).

Plump, plump, plump. Sweet. Very sweet. Super fresh. Meaty goodness dipped every so gently in clarified butter laced with fresh squeezed lime.

It the GOP is dead, and the world ends tomorrow as foretold by the Mayans, I have had a perfectly delightful and supremely satiating last meal.

[centralcal]

Typos are due to cocktails. I do not have a cat prancing on my keyboard like Clarice.

[RichatUF]

Meaty goodness dipped every so gently in clarified butter laced with fresh squeezed lime...

...oh, you were talking about food.

and 1 hour and 30 minutes to go...a bit quite here tonight, everyone must be having wild end of the world sex...or something.

[Captain Hate]

You spelled "dungeness" correctly. Has anybody done a side-by-side taste test between a blue crab and a dungeness? I'm sure they're both good although I've never dipped the meat from a blue crab in butter.

[RichatUF]

quite -> quiet

hummm no cats...

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I just assuaged my depression by eating a whole dungeness crab (or however it is spelled).--

Did it go anything like this?

[Rick Ballard]

With the bow under water and the pumps out of commission, I find myself rather unconcerned about a failure to agree to move the deck chairs to the stern. I'm just glad I volunteered to steer one of the lifeboats in good time.

[Rocco]

Oh Oh CC

http://kstrom.net/isk/maya/rabbit.html#crab

[Clarice]

Dungeness is fine so are AlaskanKing Crabs, but nothing in the world beats Chesapeake blue crabs IMO.

Niters. My cat's figured out we were going to be leaving soon and has been mounting a rear guard action to prevent our departure.

[Melinda Romanoff]

CH-

An afternoon of picking Blues must involve melted butter, IMO. I also prefer to take it one step further to slightly browned.

The beer cuts better that way.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Won't take long for the 10yr to get back under 1.50%, either.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Fun day tomorrow. So much for shopping for bonds....

[Melinda Romanoff]

And G'night.

[Captain Hate]

I dunno, Mel; I haven't lived in Maryland for a long time (although I went back briefly this summer) but I've eaten in plenty of crab joints and in none of them have I seen melted butter provided as a side. Although maybe they've gotten a bit snooty in some places...

[Rocco]

Safe travels Clarice...night all

[narciso]

Ok, the Mayans may be right after all;

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/20/mark-sanford-running-for-congress-no-really/

[Captain Hate]

Ok, the Mayans may be right after all

He could probably win as a donk. Or in Argentina.

[narciso]

Speaking of Burn Notice, it's the first show shot down here, that really strides the balance
between showing the exotic nature of our bergs,
and the working class world, that has to pay the consequences,

One that didn't do so well, was the last season of Wiseguy where Steven Bauer, (recently seen in Breaking Bad) replaced Ken Wahl, it painted Miami, in the unremittingly violent, and corruptworld view of the left, in large part derived from the Christics, Bauer, by the way was recently arrested for avoiding a 12 year bench warrant on a traffic ticket,

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

I always loved blue crab au naturel, with beer.

[RichatUF]

"World ends. Women and minorities hit hardest."

[Jeremiah Wright]

Someone please give me the gist. Is it that Plan B was not serious about the deficit, so the House conservatives wouldn't vote for it?

[RichatUF]

Someone please give me the gist.

Beats me. Maybe they saw the Senate heading out of town already and both Reid and Obama saying no deal on Plan B anyway.

Not sure why anyone was thinking a useful deal could be hammered out after Obama was reelected.

[RichatUF]

or more to the point, the Dems need to raise taxes on those making 50K-250K to pay for the reassembly of the 1970's welfare state. And with the fiscal cliff debacle, the Dems can rub the Reps noses in their defeat. I seem to recall that conservatives won the debate on welfare reform, crime, and taxes in the 1990's and here we are, not even 20 years later, tearing all that work down. A stunning reversal of fortunes.

[Carol Herman]

The senate has adjourned. Nothing is going to pass this year.

The House? Somewhere around 7% of Americans respect those critters.

[glasater]

Brit Hume ‏@brithume
[email protected] The WH seems worried if Boehner's plan B passes the House & is blocked by Sen. & WH, blame for cliff shifts away from Hse GOP.

Brit's worry was for naught. The R's are going to be blamed no matter if plan B passed. We're still going over the cliff.

[Kevin B]

More than half way through the 21st here and so far so good.

Tomorrow looks more likely for a Noah event in my area.

[narciso]

We're already over the cliff, like the coyote we are holding on to the question mark.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

End of the world happens at 11:11 PM right? So that is a little less than 4 hours in Sydney and 2 hours in Perth. A friend of mine from Perth told me last night they were waiting patiently.

[Jim Ryan]

A prof who decoded the Maya writing was on NPR yesterday. He said that the Maya said nothing about the world ending and that the date has to do with astronomical cycles and should be completely uninteresting to anyone who isn't a Mayan astronomer.

[narciso]

Well this is conforting, not;

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2012/12/in-pakistan-mixed-results-from-peshawar.html

[centralcal]

Good morning. Guess I missed the crab discussion last night, since I went to bed to read after posting - propping my iPad on my full tummy :)

Never had a Blue Crab. Butter? I only dipped about 1 out of every 6 delectable chunks into it before popping into my mouth. The crab was so wonderfully sweet it didn't need any dressing and I could have easily omitted it!

[Jim Ryan]

Allen West is saying he was against Plan B because it wasn't conservative enough.

[Jim Eagle]

Woke up to hear that my prediction all along was correct. No votes for Boehner's plan B. The party of stupid just got a little bit smarter.

[Clarice]

I usually dip blue crap in a mixture of vinegar and Old Bay seasong.

Now--for Iggy and friends--speaking of the grace and poise of a seasoned athlete--turns out one of our very accomplished Olympians, doubles as a Vegas call girl.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/suzy-favor-hamilton-136952

[Jim Ryan]

Best. Clarice. Typo. Ev. Ver.