Way Back When - Gay Marriage Revisited

Ann Althouse offers an interesting point:

...same-sex marriage started out as a conservative idea, and lefties resisted. That was back in the day when marriage was patriarchy and oppression.

Here's a prediction: Once gay marriage becomes the norm, the left can get back to critiquing marriage. That topic got backburnered.

I will say, sort of. My memory, jogged by the NY Times archives, is that gay marriage and legal recognition of gay partnerships became very topical during the AIDS crisis, when getting one's name onto a partner's rent-controlled lease or their employer-sponsored health plan acquired unexpected urgency. It was not a "conservative" idea revolving around love and stability, but more of a direct benefits play.

That said, there was liberal opposition to the notion. Friom the Nov 5 1989 Times:

SINCE the early 1970's, when seven states, including New York, rejected the idea of allowing homosexual couples to marry, the issue has been all but dormant. But recently the debate has been revived. Among the most significant reasons for the renewed interest, gay-rights leaders say, is the AIDS epidemic, which has brought questions of inheritance and death benefits to many people's minds.

We hear from traditional conservatives:

In the meantime, opponents of homosexual marriage are preparing for a fight. ''We do see this as a major battleground in the 1990's,'' said Gary L. Bauer, who was President Reagan's domestic affairs adviser and who now heads the Family Research Council in Washington. Same-sex marriage ''would undermine deeply held and broadly accepted ideas of normalcy,'' Mr. Bauer said. ''We have customs against such things because it has been the consensus of 2,000 years of Western civilization that such arrangements were to be discouraged.''

Support from, groups typically associated with the left:

''The marriage exclusion is offensive,'' said Nan D. Hunter, the director of the Lesbian and Gay Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union. ''It carries a strong symbolic as well as a legal message that lesbian and gay Americans are relegated to second-class status.''

But we also hear thunder from the left, as Prof. Althouse noted:

Some gay-rights leaders and their supporters, especially women, do not think homosexuals should fight to gain entry into an institution that many feminists find oppressive.

In the current issue of Out/Look, a national gay-rights quarterly, Ms. Ettelbrick, the legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, debated the issue with Thomas B. Stoddard, Lambda's executive director. ''Gay relationships,'' Mr. Stoddard wrote, ''will continue to be accorded a subsidiary status until the day that gay couples have exactly the same rights as their heterosexual counterparts.''

Ms. Ettelbrick argued that marriage will not be a liberating experience. ''In fact, it will constrain us, make us more invisible, force our assimilation into the mainstream and undermine the goals of gay liberation,'' she said. A Better Strategy? Some gay-rights leaders feel that it might make more strategic sense to de-emphasize the goal of homosexual marriage and push instead for laws recognizing ''domestic partnerships,'' people who live together as families, regardless of their sexual orientation.

 

Comments

[Rob Crawford]

*yawn*

Who cares. They won. The culture will continue to rot, and the rot will accelerate thanks to the particularly nasty politics practiced by this "movement".

[matt]

The next battle will be relationships between adults and minors, another subset of the gay community more so than the straight, and then bestiality. On the latter, Star Trek and Star Wars will be cited as legal precedents.

The legal consensus is far older than 2,000 years, by the way. Probably more like 5,500.

But that's okay. The anthropologists are now trying to make the case for Neanderthal - Homo sapiens sex. The proof of this is of course Bulgarians and some of the more swarthy types....Sean Connery may be part Neanderthal as well

[narciso]

Well you saw Zardoz, right, you may be right.

[Pops]

There is no such thing as gay marriage. If states can no longer legally define a marriage, then marriage will be whatever those who want to get married say it is.

How can the courts possibly say that two men can marry, but three men can't? What possible legal reasoning could lead a judge to that conclusion?

And then why not a brother and sister? A father and daughter and aunt. Six women? Since it is now the person and not the state that defines a marriage, anything goes.

[narciso]

It's about as absurd as this Pops;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/doha-fail-only-37-of-194-countries-agree-to-extend-old-kyoto-treaty/

[Pops]

Of course the state issues all kinds of licenses that limit our personal freedoms. Why can I use a turkey hunting license to shoot deer if that is what makes me happy? Why can I use my nail salon license to open a restaurant, isn't it unfair that others have restaurants and it would fulfill me to have my own.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

I'm thoroughly sick of it all. I'm with RobC: it's over; details to follow.

[NJ Jan]

DoT
I'm with you

[Rob Crawford]

Well you saw Zardoz, right, you may be right.

That's just proof Connery is half-sasquatch, not Neanderthal.

*shudder*

[daddy]

Don't know if anyone was keeping count but we have lost another Seal Team 6 member from the Osama raid. I think it now approaches 20 Seal Team 6 Fatalities since Joe Biden irresponsibly shot off his mouth identifying the Unit that killed Bin Laden.

In a related Brit story, the UK Mail reports that Senator Dianne Feinstein is angry that the new Kill Osama movie has a waterboarding scene init.

I am surprised how much coverage this is getting in the Brit papers.

It's about time for RFK JR to go over there and accuse them of dividing the country.

[daddy]

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[rse]

I can't imagine that statement will give the family of the slain SEAL much solace juxtaposed to the greeting of the Korean rapper.

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

Is that Biden's. son Beau?

[narciso]

Close enough, no we didn't interrogate the courier, we shot him, but we interrogated
at least three people that lead to the courier,
Ould Slahi, Muhammed Quahtani, and Faraj Al Libi, in the film they dubbed him 'Amarr' after
a real life link man, of the Baluchi clan,

[daddy]

Insty links to a Popular Mechanics story: Where Are America's Badly Needed Icebreakers?

The story seems to know all about Global Climate Change and the need for Icebreakers, but has no idea that we have an 80 Million Dollar Icebreaking Ferryboat sitting up here that we can't give away.

Who does know about our 80 Million dollar white elephant of a ferryboat, is the Saipan Tribune.

Just recently the newspapers discussed a “deal” about an ice breaker ferry boat that the governor is interested to carry passengers and cargo or cars between the islands of Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam. But it need not be a secret because funds are available for such an investment. There is a federal program providing government guarantees to enable ship owners to borrow private sector funds on terms that may not otherwise be available. The program guarantees up to 87.5 percent of a loan at fixed rates with a long-term maturity. Anybody interested? Check it out.

So our top Science Mags know we need Icebreakers but know absolutely nothing about our local White Elephant Icebreaker.

And that White Elephant Icebreaker which cost $80 Million in Taxpayer Funding, is now eligible for an 87.5 percent guaranteed Federal Loan, (up to $70 more Million of US Taxpayer funds) to give it to Saipan.

On the plus side, the Saipan paper says house prices in Saipan are rock bottom, and only about 23 percent of the population is on food-stamps.

It's my current choice for St Jane's Island. Beautiful beaches, gorgeous weather, and soon to be gifted the worlds most expensive ferryboat!

[narciso]

Ah Charlotte Rampling, was in that, mind you I didn't actually see zardoz, but I know of it.

[daddy]

I can't imagine that statement will give the family of the slain SEAL much solace juxtaposed to the greeting of the Korean rapper.

RSE,

I'm sure Biden will tell the grieving parents that their son had balls the size of cue balls and make them feel all better.

[Janet]

Not sure which thread to repost this on -

‘The Last of the Just’ in Belgium

The short video is heartbreaking.

[daddy]

mind you I didn't actually see zardoz, but I know of it.

I liked the flick narciso, tho' I'm a Sci Fi guy and I saw it back in college days.

Off with the dogs now on a very snowy day, but will see if I can recall the plot from the recesses of my brain. It was something like:

The Wizard of Oz.

[rse]

daddy-that's how I refer to him even around my mom. And invariably it's the first time people have heard the story.

Do you think bo will use the autopen?

[matt]

Ah, but that is not an icebreaking ferryboat capable of deepest Arctica, daddy. At a time when the Arctic Ocean is opening up by all accounts, we have one lousy vessel capable of negotiating packed ice. The other has been so cannibalized for spares it's a hulk.

It's sort of like NASA. They don't know what they're doing. They are subbing out all of the hard work to the Rooshians, and they haven't a clue how completely absurd they look in the real world.

let's go back to Afghanistan where we're using F-18's and B-1B's to snuff out some poor schmuck with an RPG. It's not Catch 22, it's Catch 2012.

[pagar]

"the greeting of the Korean rapper."

Or Sen Kerry!

[Janet]

Just a random pic from Weasel Zippers -

How sick of these people are you? Oh my goodness....don't they ever go to work or take their kids to ballet class or soccer practice? They're just 24/7 enraged nutcases. Get a life, Muhammad.

[narciso]

Well she has an ironic take on it, Janet,

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2012/12/blame-canada----the-palestinia.php

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--That's just proof Connery is half-sasquatch, not Neanderthal.--

Hey, watch it! Sean and I happen to be rather similar in the ol' sasquatch chest hair department.
Of course he was voted sexiest man of the 20th century.
Just sayin.

[Janet]

Speaking of a poll - Who is the sexiest man alive?

There are now 30 votes & 20 comments.

[centralcal]

Janet, thanks for the reminder about the poll. Comments are a hoot - well, all except for the slander and defamation of my dearest, sweetest, G.G.!

[Jim Eagle]

Mrs. JiB says I am the sexiest man alive and she is right.

Night all. I hear her calling.

Pats wil will big time tonight. No sense to watch.

[Jim Eagle]

Win. Win. Win. Okay?

[Jane on I]

DevalPatrick news via a source who serves under him. First of all he plans on being president. Secondly he and Obama are very very close friends and Patrick can have any job he wants in the second term. No one is willing to take Holder'[s job because F&F is about to blow up. Deval doesn't want sec of state because Benghazi will implode. And according to him Hillary's career is over because of Benghazi. (which supports my theory that all the talk of her being president this week is to soften the blow of Benghazi.)

FWIW

[Clarice]

Interesting. I don't see Deval going anywhere but the rest sounds plausible.

[Frau Kaugummi]

Deval's Nov 2012 game plan sounds familiar:

Patrick last week directed the state higher education commissioner to allow resident tuition for a limited number of "undocumented" immigrants in Massachusetts. They have been paying higher out-of-state rates.

In a letter, Patrick said immigrants who have obtained a work permit through a new federal program approved by President Barack Obama would be eligible to pay the lower rates. The governor said the directive was consistent with an existing state policy that allows people with work permits and valid Massachusetts residency to qualify for in-state tuition.

House Minority Leader Bradley H. Jones said last week that Patrick was attempting to usurp the power of the Legislature.

[daddy]

On today's walk listened to a tape delayed John Gibson (ex-FOX guy, and now a new addition to our local talk line-up).

He kept going back to a point of House Repub's just voting "present" and letting the House Dem's vote for whatever taxes they want so that Obama owns it all and maybe that will finally make America wake up and blame Obama. I doubt it'll work, but lets assume that happens.

My question, knowing nothing about the process, if we do what Gibson suggests and allow those bastards to write in new taxes by giving them a bill originating in the House, can the Dem's possible snooker us by loading the damn thing up again with special crap in committee, allowing them to rejigger ObamaCare to fix their State ObamaCare Exchange mandate problem, or can we absolutely limit the damn thing to Tax specifics?

I fear a Pandora effect (ie--you let them open the damn legislation and who knows what awful stuff is likely to come out of it.)

[Jim Miller]

Washington state update: It's happened; the bipartisan coalition has formed and will control the state senate -- by exactly one vote.

Interesting times.

(I suppose most of you know that something similar happened in New York state.)

[Jim Miller]

Going back to the original topic, I am guessing that next year we will see a push begin for legalized polygamy in Washington state. It won't get much attention at first, but essentially the same arguments can be used as were used for gay marriage.

(And one more: The most common marriage form across cultures appears to be monogamy for most men, polygamy for a few powerful men. I'm not saying I favor that system; in fact I think that one of the reasons that Western and Chinese cultures succeeded as they have is that they try to enforce monogamy for almost every man. But I do think that limited kind of polygamy comes close to being the rule, if you count by cultures.)

[daddy]

Jim MIller,

On it's face that looks like a positive development to me.

Maybe a small silver lining in this massive ongoing Federal power overreach is that it will make us learn all over again that we are individual States.

[Jim Miller]

I think those Ivy League professors were trying to compliment our president when they named that extinct lizard, Obamadon gracilis, after him -- but it isn't a very impressive lizard, and lizards are not known for being exceptionally intelligent.

[jimmyk]

polygamy for a few powerful men.

Where actual polygamy isn't allowed, we get serial monogamy, which is pretty similar in effect.

There is an argument that legalizing polygamy benefits women. (Increased demand for them, especially by wealthy men.)

[narciso]

Scalia was very prescient about what Lawrence would lead to, but how does polygamy really work in practice, in the West, isn't it rife with complications,

[Jim Miller]

daddy - I think so. A similar coalition took over the budget in the current session, and seem to have brought some realism to the state budget.

It still hurts to see McKenna lose to Inslee, though.

Lawyers will appreciate this detail: When Inslee was out of office after the 1994 election, the Clinton administration gave him fa patronage job (regional director of housing or something like that); McKenna apparently already has offers from high-powered law firms

[Gus]

Jimmy, they will also make a law saying that you are child under you Mommy and Daddy's insurance until your 27th birthday.

The LIBTARD of OZ is hiding behind the curtain.

[Clarice]

Jimmy K, I am ashamed of you. I just read that 3 % of all the Nobel prizes have been awarded to NY educated jews. Stop. Redistribute them you bastards. (XOXOXOX)

[daddy]

And why should Kim Kardashian be limited to only 1 husband at a time?

If we are going whole hog on this equality business, women should be able to marry multiple men (Polyandry), and even better, they should be able to marry themselves, because they have the ability, one out of many billions of times (via Parthenogenesis), to deliver an offspring without any male input in the development of the fetus at all. It's only fair.

[Jim Miller]

jimmyk - Actually we allow polygamy here in the United States -- as long as you don't make it legal. Think of Hugh Hefner, if you need an example.

Years ago, in Chicago, I had a neighbor who was the mistress of a well-off, married businessman. Never met the wife, but often wondered what she was like.

[DrJ]

And why should Kim Kardashian be limited to only 1 husband at a time?

Because only one at a time would have her?

[Jim Miller]

daddy - Speaking of parthenognesis, you might enjoy Poul Anderson's "Virgin Planet".

[Gus]

Can I marry my 68 Mustang, and get free service on it??

[daddy]

Thank about it DrJ, what Kardashian doesn't need a Rap Singer and an NBA second stringer for double wedded bliss. She's got a gluteus maximus big enough for the both of them.

[DrJ]

daddy, you left out the football player, now a misnamed Saint with the name of Bush. I'd still bet that those fine (ahem) males would not want to share their bounty (booty?).

They are welcomed to it.

[Neo]

More than 3,000 U.S. military personnel have secretly returned to Iraq via Kuwait and 17,000 more are on their way in response to the civil war in Syria that has spilled over into northern Iraq, according to a report published Monday by Iran's Press TV.

[Gus]

Neo, it's not true until Jimmy Carters says it's true.

[daddy]

Looks good at first glance Jim, but the problem generally with Virgin Planets is you usually wind up
having to choke one hell of a chicken:)

[narciso]

Despite the source, it seems mildly plausible,

[narciso]

The Press TV segment, so that's where the Futurama episode came from.

[Clarice]

Plot thickens on Obama's college career,http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/missing_piece_surfaces_in_the_obama_puzzle.html

[Gus]

POUL, Already been done.

Muhammad "GUS" Mustafa Aziz and the 72 VIRGIN PARADISE.....

Starring Efrem Zimbalist Jr., special guest appearance by Jack Lord.

[Clarice]

Not that I was looking, daddy, but that man on the Virgin Planet seems to have no way to get his pants off.

[daddy]

Don't know how I missed him DrJ.

From "Kim's Top 10 Boyfriends:

"3. Reggie Bush

Kim and Reggie dated for two years before they called it quits. The football stud and the reality doll were very seriously committed to each other. In fact, on multiple occasions, there were even talks of wedding bells. Kim said, “"I was telling him that last night, 'If we ever broke up ... the next guy is going to have a really hard time, because your body is so amazing!'" Sounds like true love to me, unfortunately, nothing lasts forever as they broke it off for good in 2009 and Kim was on to another stud soon after Reggie. I wonder how his body ranked in comparison?"

How did I miss that?

BTW, Does he play for the Houston Texas on defense? Tonight those guys are all invisible, so maybe that'd explain it.

[narciso]

An intriguing notion, but the folks behind 'the John Carter' film, couldn't figure out Dejah Thoris, so they are quite clueless,

[Gus]

I really need to find Soylent Green and rent it. For OLD TIMES sake.

[narciso]

Of course as a young lad, I was a fan of shows like Buck Rogers, I didn't get the 70s disco theme at the time, however in the LUN

[daddy]

Not that I was looking, daddy, but that man on the Virgin Planet seems to have no way to get his pants off.

Have you entered him in Iggy's poll, Clarice?

[Clarice]

Wish I knew how to, daddy. But with hose pants, he might be at a disadvantage.

[Clarice]

**those* Pants..

[cathyf]

There is an argument that legalizing polygamy benefits women. (Increased demand for them, especially by wealthy men.)

Viewing cultures where polygamy is legal sure doesn't look very good for women -- what it really looks like is a society which turns every wife into a whore, every husband into a john and every father-in-law into a pimp.

And it looks pretty terrible for children, too. In the case of Osama bin Laden's father, he had 3 long-term wives and then he divorced and married a new 4th wife every few years. When he divorced Osama's mother, she was sent away, and Osama was left in the "care" of one or the other of the permanent wives. Who never called him by his name, but simply a word that translates roughly as "whore's son".

In that case, it turned out not to be so good for anybody in civilization...

[Jim Miller]

Just a little more about Virgin Planet, because it does have an interesting premise.

A colony ship, with about 300 women on board crash lands on a planet much like earth. The lose much of their technology, but retain enough so that they can induce parthenogenesis and keep the population going. Each daughter they bear is, of course, a clone.

So when our hero arrives, centuries later, he finds a planet with hundreds of thousands of women -- in just 300 varieties. There are, for example, Whitleys, who are all hot-tempered blond loners, and identical twins, except for age differences.

[daddy]

hose pants

Do I detect a Freudian slip?

[daddy]

Jim,

So it's like So Cal?

[narciso]

This is made clear, in thecrime novels of Zoe Ferraris, set in UBL's hometown of Jiddah, despite the fact it is more freewheeling then the rest of Arabia, social relations are very twisted, in many of the ways, Cathy relates,

[Jim Miller]

daddy - Might be, though Anderson spent most of his life in Berkeley.

[Jim Miller]

Clarice will be happy to know that my copy (a double with "Star Ways") shows Davis Bertram wearing quite ordinary pants, and looking as if he belongs on the cover of a romance novel, except that his hair is too short.

[daddy]

Narciso,

Watched part of John Carter of Mars last night on one of our movie channels. Was flipping back and forth between it, Starship Troopers, and Sports Center.

Thought they did a good job with the Tharks and the Great White Apes and Woola. Missed some of the end so I didn't see if Dejah ever dropped an egg. She wasn't quite my idea and look of Dejah Thoris from the books, but she was good enough looking that after a bit I thought she did fine, as long as you gave up thinking you that you were watching the real Dejah Thoris from A Princess of Mars.

Jim, sounds like an interesting read. I'll keep it in the back of my mind for a bookstore browse.

[daddy]

In Jim's copy there is a zipper!

[narciso]

Well it's better than the Sci Fi channel take on it, which was of course, wasn't even set on Mars,
"I'll probably get around to renting it one of these days, Lynn Collins from the Wolverine revamp,

[narciso]

Yes, it's acceptible in retrospect,

http://thejohncarterfiles.com/2012/02/test-screening-reviewer-posts-i-saw-john-carter-at-a-neilsen-screening-and-i-loved-it/

[jimmyk]

Well, libs should love polygamy, since it redistributes wealth. Imagine Gates or Buffett with 20 wives, each a billionaire. Divide all that wealth among 100 kids. Of course libs win anyway, since without polygamy, it all ends up in some lefty foundation.

I'm off shortly to the Land Down Under. Anyone need vegemite? Daddy, will I pass you on the way?

[Gus]

Jimmy, if Gates and Buffet had 20 wives each.....SHOULDN'T THEY SHARE???

[daddy]

Hi JimmyK,

Didn't know you were doing a WalkAbout Mate! Our paths will miss. I'm doing an eastbound lap starting thursday night, but via Memphis, not the Jersey shore. Since Sandy we've been routed away from the chaos, as I think they believed the Summit NJ hotel was being used by FEMA types. Anyhow, please keep us posted with 'roo pix.

[daddy]

Just in from a late night outdoor dogwalk/chat with my Tax Attorney friend. He says that what is driving him crazy lately is the inability to get an EIN, a Taxpayer Identification Number, for some new business deal he is constructing.

He says that always before you could easily go on line and voila, you could get one swiftly with no problem. He says he has now tried 4 working days straight and no luck at all. He says that he has called various Tax Attorney friends around the country, (Mass, Colorado, etc) and they say they are having the same problem.

He can't tell if it is intentional, if the Federal Agency workers that supply these numbers are incompetent, or if they are simply swamped by so many people trying to get EIN's issued prior to 1 January and new Tax rules. Perhaps a bit of all 3. He says there is a lot of scrambling in related areas by clients and business associates hustling to beat the 1 Jan deadline.

[Manuel Transmission]

Clarice,

I just read that 3 % of all the Nobel prizes have been awarded to NY educated jews.

I remember Charles K. a few years ago mentioning that Jews were over represented in Nobel Prizes (the real ones, not those shitty Peace Prizes) by only a factor of 100!

And the ragheads .shit/infinity

[daddy]

It's winter time, so that must mean that since people get cold and use stoves to heat their houses Fairbanks is once again in non-compliance with the EPA's Air Pollution Standards.

Fairbanks is on double secret probation:

Three winters of Fairbanks noncompliance - an average of 14 days per year - got the attention of the EPA...(Fairbanks) hopes to complete an acceptable compliance plan within 18 months, before the EPA by law must withhold federal highway construction money. After two years, the EPA must impose its own compliance plan.

Proposed solutions have met resistance:

State Rep. Tammie Wilson, R-North Pole: "We're still waiting here for a model, a model that shows us that if we do A, B and C, we can then get into attainment," she said. "We have not seen anything from the borough, from the state or from the EPA showing us that that is even possible with the technology that is available to us."

Anybody out there got a solution, besides "withholding federal highway construction money" (That'll sure help), or freezing to death?

[daddy]

Regarding my 03:43 above, just like clockwork:

Heating oil thieves target empty homes around Fairbanks

Since Oct. 1, troopers have received 20 reports of heating oil thefts at homes and businesses around Fairbanks

Since they are stealing heating oil and not firewood, at least they are Eco-friendly burglars. The EPA probably has no problem with these crooks.

[daddy]

UKMail on line reports this morning that one of Charlie Sheen's ex-wives has just entered Rehab.

But only for the 19th time.

Cue The Rolling Stones.

[rse]

Gee, I just realized someone this morning wanted to translate a UNESCO post to Polish. Hope it is a freedom fighter and not a statist.

Daddy's reading looks like more fun than mine. I was going over what Von Mises and Isabel Paterson had to say about what is planned.

I do love her phrase about progress requiring the "free play of intelligence." Less of that out there than there used to be.

[narciso]

How about from the original Hungarian, rse ( a little joke) so the energy code, in the stimulus, that Sarah fought so hard to evade, exacts it's penalty,

[Janet]

Interesting Sultan Knish today.

"The progressives have few children of their own. Your children are their children. If they can corrupt your children, then they have a future."

and

"The progressive agenda is to destroy the family, to undermine it, ridicule it, economically disadvantage it and burden it until it falls apart and is replaced by the Big Brother of the State. The traditional agenda is to maintain the family and pass along traditional values across the generations. That is what this cultural war is really about; whether the family or the state will the defining unit of human experience."

[rse]

Narc-a neighbor who is originally from Yugoslavia brought fresh baked bread over this weekend as a thank you (hubby had fixed a computer problem). She has gone from being proud of the Ivy League for one kid and full ride to tech with a stipend for the other.

Now she is sad that they both see no harm in voting for bo. She was asking me what I had looked for in a college for Red. And I said most these days think their job is to change student's perceptual mindset. Hopefully permanently. Some are still about knowledge. At least in certain departments.

She is horrified about my descriptions of the mindsets being cultivated as I never lived with this. She did and recognizes the techniques precisely.

Building on Clarice's DC insights, I also told her it is hard to see the harm if you are a lawyer in DC.

She really is grieving for the US. And her family dynamics right now.

Off to the always interesting Principal's Coffee to take notes.

[narciso]

Well that 'intellectual bio' of Hayek by Caldwell, helped put the Austrian school in perspective, rse, he was rebelling against the heavy hand of dirigisme, directed by Schmoller and Wagner,

[Jim Eagle]

We had a real humdinger of a massive thunderstorm last night. Very warm during the day and almost broke our record for this time of the year. South of us in Edgewater was a tornado that touched down damaging 40 homes. Sort of unusual for December to have this kind of rain and lightning and tornadoes but we needed the rain.

Video from a guy driving his car right into it.

[Rob Crawford]

An intriguing notion, but the folks behind 'the John Carter' film, couldn't figure out Dejah Thoris, so they are quite clueless,

I realized what a lack-luster effort the "John Carter" movie was when I cheered the arrival of Julius Caesar and Marc Antony.

[fdcol63]

And just in time for this theme:

Archaeologists unearth 5,000-year-old 'third-gender' caveman

Caveman was buried like a woman, leading scientists to question his sexual orientation.

http://www.readability.com/read?url=http%3A//www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/mysterious-mass-whale-graveyard-unearthed-in-the-chilean-desert

[fdcol63]

Whoops ... wrong link above. This is it:

http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/archaeologists-unearth-5000-year-old-third-gender-caveman

[Janet]

Here's a wonderful little 5 minute video from Prager University. If Good and Evil Exist, God Exists

[sailor]

Well, I'm with Rob, NJ Jan and Dot--I'm through with all of this same sex marriage "stuff." I will say, though, I think the states should decide and not The Supreme Court.

[NJ Jan]

Agreed, Sailor.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--There is an argument that legalizing polygamy benefits women. (Increased demand for them, especially by wealthy men.)

Posted by: jimmyk | December 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM--

Guess that's why I have a hard time extending my libertarianism beyond purely economic areas.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Not that I was looking, daddy, but that man on the Virgin Planet seems to have no way to get his pants off.--

Hello?
One man on a world of beautiful women?
I'm pretty sure he's not going to have to get his pants off.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The John Carter flick was lost the moment they decided not to use Frank Frazetta's illustrations as the template.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

Lamar Odom is now tallying about 2.3 PPG for the Clips, and the end of his career appears nigh. Let's have an over-under on how many days of wedded bliss they share when he's no longer in The League.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Jeffry Lord at AmSpec with a good article on Barry's admission the Bush tax cuts worked and he uses Google's Bermuda tax haven as an illustration that even the most ardent Barry supporters will do whatever it takes to dodge those taxes they tell us they so desperately want levied on themselves.