Assault Weapons In Realityville

NY Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly is all in favor of an "assault weapon" ban even though they aren't the problem facing New York City:

While assault rifles serve no legitimate hunting purpose, and their ban would be a welcome advance after the Newtown slaughter, illegal handguns remain the weapon of choice for killers and other criminals in New York City.

Ninety percent, or 2,493, of the 2,779 illegal firearms seized from suspects in arrests in the city last year were handguns.

By contrast, a total of 77 assault weapons were seized in arrests in the city, less than 3 percent of the total.

In only three of nearly 1,400 shooting incidents last year were ballistics associated with assault weapons.

Kelly favors an expansion of background checks, although he misstates an old survey here:

It’s estimated that as much as 40 percent of guns are sold through the so-called gun-show loophole. A national requirement for universal background checks, regardless of how or where the gun is sold, would help with that problem.

Well, it's estimated that up to 40 percent of transfers, including gifts and inheritances as well as some gun show sales, aren't covered by the current background check law.

This related story includes an unexpected interlude with common sense:

“Kelly is obviously right” about the background checks, said Matt Bennett, a spokesman for the Third Way, a centrist advocacy group that includes the Americans for Gun Safety coalition.

“We support an assault-weapons ban. There is no reason anyone should have these military-style weapons,” he said. “On the other hand, if you had to make a priority list, that is low on priority list.

“On the top of our list is universal background checks.”

In journo-speak, a "centrist advocacy group" means left-wing, but not delusionally so. The Third Way seems to be the heirs to the DLC.

Comments

[narciso]

TM, I already told you, where that survey comes from, the elves shop at the Joyce Foundation, btw, it's just a coincidence that prior to this post, Kelly was a principal with IGI, the investigative firm, well tied to the Clinton's intimidation efforts.

[Rob Crawford]

"universal background checks" == registry.

registry ==> confiscation

[NK]

Is it just my impression, or has the Leftists' grotesque politization of the Sandy Hook school shootings, 'radicalized' field hockey stick owners such as TM and myself?

[Porchlight]

Run, do not walk, from anything billed as a Third Way.

[narciso]

Just another Clinton flack, as Wes Clark campaign staffer, they admit to those;

http://www.thirdway.org/staff/3

[narciso]

More of the same;

http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?p=2476

[Rob Crawford]

Run, do not walk, from anything billed as a Third Way.

Yes. The original "Third Way" was fascism.

[sbwaters]

NY Gun Law: I'm still trying to figure out what happens in NYS if I lend my son a rifle or shotgun.

[Porchlight]

Even if I supported "universal background checks" there is no evidence that it would have stopped the Sandy Hook shooter (whose name I refuse to type or say out loud). He stole guns from his mother.

[Captain Hate]

O/T Is anybody able to pick up Tammy Bruce's broadcasts? I can't pick it up either from a Talk Radio window on my browser or iTunes where I had some old mp3 links. When I try to run it through my browser I get an "undefined" reading and the existing mp3 links on iTunes don't get anything. And trying to download a new mp3 link just keeps "loading" forever before I cancel it.

Maybe she tightened things up to make it only for subscribers. Or maybe my pc/browser is screwed up.

[Rick Ballard]

SBW,

I thought you lost all firearms in a terrible canoe/kayak/fire? accident in the deepest water of the lake near you?

[rse]

NK-whatever the particulars of the family dynamics of the Sandy Hook murderer, enough people on the Left are quite aware that there is a high correlation between these tragedies and pushing sociocultural theory on the schools.

I know they were using Responsive classroom at SH. I thus suspect they had been using esr's middle and high school programs as well. Those were originally developed for urban high needs classrooms and are sel and behavioral in focus. It's my Locusts of the Mind story.

If you ever want I have a CT Next story from about 2 years ago on the determination of district supers to gain equity of outcomes across districts. That's all SEL.

SEL is so central to the plans of fundamental transformation that these schemers cannot let that part of story out. Because it really is being nationalized.

And the only thing now I can do to help is to keep telling this story. As I mentioned the Neuroscience community expected Aurora to cast a look at some of its practices but the media tried to make people think Holmes was a med student.

I hate understanding this stuff. And not talking about the connections increases the likelihood of more problems as this is nationalized.

I cannot tell you how graphic the Action research involving kids is. And I just took a break in disgust finishing the document I found yesterday as it described starting the research and manipulation literally in preschool.

[sbwaters]

terrible canoe/kayak/fire

Yeah. That's the ticket!

[narciso]

We're in the best of all possible hands;

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/ca-councilwoman-lot-of-people-that-have-been-shot-by-an-unloaded-gun/

[Captain Hate]

This is obviously more important than Menendez's taste in underaged hookers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/28/bqhatevwr-or-why-scott-brown-needs-to-address-his-tweets/

[narciso]

'Whatever dude,' is the proper response to the Globe, the Times,

[Thomas Collins]

"universal background checks"

I'll bet the background checks on individuals applying to own a firearm are more stringent than the ones applied by MSM to Dem POTUS candidates.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

I have a very hard time supporting anything Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin support (immigration bill)

Some days when I come to JOM I feel like I have entered Pluto.

Today is one of those days.

[AliceH]

May I suggest a style point? Quotations including the term "assault weapons" et al should always be transcribed as "Assault weapons [sic] ..." or "assault rifle [sic]", unless fully automatic weapons are being referenced.

[marlene]

I posted this on the other thread...boris,do you have a Maine connection?

[Neo]

Expect to hear more about this ...

The Bundesbank, the central bank of Germany is to store half of its gold reserves in its own vaults in Frankfurt.

It is planning a phased relocation of 300 tonnes of gold to Frankfurt from New York and 374 tonnes to Frankfurt from Paris by 2020.

In doing so, the Bundesbank will have 50% of its gold reserves in Frankfurt, 37% in New York and 13% in London.

The Bundesbank said that it is focusing on the two primary functions in relocating its gold reserve, to build trust and confidence domestically, and the ability to exchange gold for foreign currencies at gold trading centers abroad within a short space of time.

Germany is the second largest gold holding country with 3,391.3 tonnes, behind the US with 8,133.5 tonnes.

Germany’s central bank will repatriate part of its $200 billion gold reserves stored in vaults in the Federal Reserve in New York and the Banque de France in Paris.

Before German reunification in 1990, 98% of Germany’s gold was stored abroad. The Bundesbank then started to bring its gold home and in 2000 transferred 931 tonnes from the Bank of England to Germany. It will continue to hold about 13% of its gold reserves in London, even after 2020.

[NK]

Neo-- is this a sign of my old prediction that Frau Merkel leaves the EuroZone and establishes the NeuMark?

[Stephanie]

Got a breaking news email from CNN that the Boy Scouts are thinking about lifting the ban on gay members or gay scout leaders .

Smorgasbord!

[narciso]

They saw Die Hard 3, they aren't fools, meanwhile
someone tell these people, neither of these is in North Africa;

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/us-drone-base-africa-command/61497/

[Rick Ballard]

Porchlight,

Isn't Sandy Hook just wide screen Grillntatz? IOW - an opportunity for the commies to make an act of obeisance to the billionaires who fund the progressive nightmare? Cuomo's prog boot licking should be looked at in the same light as Obama's wholehearted support of black genocide. Obama never would have made it out of Chicago without making speeches in favor of butchering black babies.

I don't doubt Cuomo supports butchering babies just as much as he supports grabbing guns but the NYT's dragging in NYC's top union thug to bray his support suggests a surprisingly (to the NYT) significant level of resistance to progressive fascism. Cuomo might have been better off to open a chain of abortion centers.

[narciso]

It's much like tending Sky Dragon nets, Rick, because you never know when you'll catch one,

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--While assault rifles serve no legitimate hunting purpose...--

As stated previously the number of people using AR and AK style weapons for hunting is growing quickly. There's even a TV hunting show on one of the outdoor channels dedicated exclusively to hunting with them.
Not that hunting with "assault rifles" has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

[Mark Folkestad]

McCain says we can't continue to let eleven million stay in the shadows. Damned right. Shine the light on them, round them up and give them a comfortable bus ride home. To hell with amnesty. I also want the elimination of birthright citizenship, whether it involves Chinese coming to birthing hotels in California or gravid Mexicans waddling across the border and giving birth steps inside our borders. If we can't maintain our borders and determine laws on citizenship that WILL BE followed, then we may as well officially decide to dissolve our government and nation. Rant over. I still love Rubio, despite this.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--Well, it's estimated that up to 40 percent of transfers, including gifts and inheritances as well as some gun show sales, aren't covered by the current background check law.--

Actually it's estimated that all private transfers not subject to background checks were as high as 35+% but most of those surveys were before the Brady bill and so are utterly worthless.
I linked this before, but it bears repeating; John Lott who has proven consistently accurate over the years and who is an actual statistician provides the real numbers here.

[Neo]

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Monday welcomed an immigration deal reached by a bipartisan group of senators and gave credit to President Obama for pressing the issue.

I suppose the White House will also take credit for helping Senator Bob Menendez procure sex with underaged Dominican prostitutes.

[narciso]

So, they are talking about semi automatic weapon, or what exactly,

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--I suppose the White House will also take credit for helping Senator Bob Menendez procure sex with underaged Dominican prostitutes.--

They should. Menendez was leading from behind and providing stimulus at the same time. He's a Democratic hero.

[Captain Hate]

Everybody associated with this are mentally ill, especially the interviewee: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112190/obama-interview-2013-sit-down-president?utm_source=The+New+Republic&utm_campaign=048be141b2-TNR_Daily_012813&utm_medium=email#

[Captain Hate]

International youth outreach, Iggy.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Menendez seemingly does not believe in Keynsian stimulus however since he apparently engaged only female prostitutes.

[hit and run]

Menendez does it for to the children.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

The term "military-style," whatever it is supposed to mean, should not be applied to any semi-automatic rifle. (The M-1Garand and the M-1 carbine were the last semi-automatic rifles I know of in the U.S. military arsenal, and neither has been issued in the past fifty years.) And the term "assault rifle" should not be applied to any weapon that is not capable of fully automatic fire.

The word "sic" should definitely be used every time this misnomer is used.

[narciso]

As usual it turns out, there was underprediction,

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/28/all-your-automotive-stimulus-are-belong-to-china/

[Old Lurker]

Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, McCain and Graham.

What's not to like?

[Rick Ballard]

"What's not to like?"

Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, McCain and Graham.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Tut tut:

"Barbara Walters has the chicken pox. The television veteran has been hospitalized for more than a week after taking a fall. Doctors wouldn’t release her because she was running a temperature, and now they know why: The 83-year-old news veteran has a disease many people deal with when they are children."

[hit and run]

Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, McCain and Graham.

Legislative assault weapons of mass destruction

[squaredance]

Speaking of preppers, the Garand is quite popular amongst preppers and survivalists even today. It is still a great gun. Carry a side bag with ammo, put in some training and it is in someways and in some circumstances more effective than an AR-15: it shoots a .30-06. That is a considerable larger wallop than those of the vast majority of the AR-15 variants.

There are even lightweight replacements for the wood stock.

Technically, it is still an official military weapon as it is used by drill teams and honor guards.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Robert Stacy McCain at AmSpec wonders when the Republican panic will end.

[Thomas Collins]

The problem with "Third Way" is that those propunding it often give too much deference to one of the other two ways. For example, you are on the ground level of a 50 story building. A '60s Tim Leary type says you will expand your consciousness by going to the 50th floor and jumping while on an acid trip immediately after a session with a porn star. You think the Tim Leary wannabe is crazy. Bill Clinton shows up and suggests a Third Way: You jump from the 25th floor after chooming and a session with Monica. I know, sounds absurd, but often progs like Clinton, when propounding a Third Way, are really pushing society toward an irrational prog way.

[BB Key]

OT, Tiger up by 7 with 4 holes to play .

[Peter]

What a great metaphor, TC.

[Porchlight]

Exactly TC. It sounds vaguely reasonable until you realize it's just a slightly softer pull to the left.

[Porchlight]

Rick, do you think Cuomo cares about the outcome as long as the dollars keep coming in? I don't. He'll make his serious push once he gets elected. This is just a little tickler for the base.

[Porchlight]

Elected Prez that is. I'm assuming he's running.

[sbwaters]

I'm assuming he's running.

Since he was 12.

[Captain Hate]

Well stated TC; imo Slick was a much more dangerous President than the JEF because without his 8 years I don't think the Indonesian gets within sniffing distance of the White House.

[BB Key]

Tiger up 5 with 3 to play

[lyle]

Since he was 12.

Shouldn't he have hit his growth phase by now?

[Soylent Red]

Shouldn't he have hit his growth phase by now?

Certainly his testicles should have dropped by now. Must be something in the NYC water.

[Extraneus]

the number of people using AR and AK style weapons for hunting is growing quickly

That seems smart, since none of the Dems are against hunting rifles. On the contrary, they strongly favor the rich tapestry of rural hunting traditions, passed down by generations of rednecks and bitter clinging ignoramuses.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Thanks BB Key - I was looking for that.

[lyle]

I don't think the Indonesian gets within sniffing distance of the White House.

Interesting. Because I think JEF has been groomed for the WH for years, Slick nowithstanding. And by "groomed," I mean pulling strings, obfuscating his background, and leaning on any challengers. He was the perfect prog candidate. Black enough for the blacks and the perfect foil against all those white rethuglicans.

[Rick Ballard]

Porchlight,

He's running - this is just prog pietism. I'm not sure whether his next station of the Devil's Trident is genuflection to the SkyDragon or funding another abortion charnel house.

[lyle]

The 83-year-old news veteran has a disease many people deal with when they are children."

But great news, Bawbwa: Once O-care kicks in, you're gonna love all that treatment being denied to you and others in your demographic. Yay!

[narciso]

Yes, as you see, the THird Way guy apprenticed under Lord William of the Razorback, and also
the Gore,

[Janet]

at Weasel Zippers - McRINO On Senate Immigration Agreement: If We Pass This It Will Be A Testimonial To The Groundwork Laid By Ted Kennedy….

uber sickening.

[lyle]

The Groundwork Laid By Ted Kennedy….

Well, that's true. Ted DID cover a lot ground getting back to the compound as Mary Jo was gasping her last breath.

[Captain Hate]

I'm as big a Palin fan as exists but her campaigning 3 years ago for Juan McRINO's re-election was extremely ill advised and flew in the face of her usual instincts.

[Cecil Turner (on mini-pad)]

Kelly:

It’s estimated that as much as 40 percent of guns are sold through the so-called gun-show loophole.

Reality:

Interestingly, while people often speak of the “gun show loophole,” the data in this 1994 survey shows that only 3.9 percent of firearm purchases were made at gun shows.

So the actual gun show loophole--even using their own flawed study--provides for less than a tenth of the claimed figure. I see the "factchecker" finally got around to awarding Obama two pinocchios, but you'd have to wonder how many a GOP pol would get for consistently misstating the facts by an order of magnitude. In any event, the bottom line is that the lefty wet dream of shutting down gun shows would have effectively no impact on crime.

I have no real problem with a properly run background check system (that keeps a database of people unqualified to own guns, instantly checks purchases against such a db, and then promptly dumps the data). But the odds of the lefties agreeing to any such system (rather than a registration system as a prerequisite to confiscation) is nil.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--I have no real problem with a properly run background check system (that keeps a database of people unqualified to own guns, instantly checks purchases against such a db, and then promptly dumps the data).--

That's effectively how NICS currently operates, Cecil. The data dump was a non negotiable feature.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Andrea in a failed rescue attempt:

"How big of an Obama lapdog is Andrea Mitchell?  Even bigger than ardent Obama fan Chris Hughes. The Facebook co-founder, who bought the New Republic last year, recently scored an interview with President Obama that has been criticized for its generally soft questioning.  But during an appearance on Mitchell's MSNBC show today, even Hughes was more candid about the prez than Mitchell.

"When it came to the President's statement during the interview that at Camp David 'we do skeet shooting all the time,' Mitchell claimed 'he didn't say that he was skeet shooting, but he does say that it's one of the practices at Camp David by his guests.' Responding, Hughes effectively contradicted her: 'Frank Foer, the editor of New Republic, actually asked him point blank "have you ever fired a gun?" And in response he said "yeah, we go skeet shooting all the time up at Camp David." He and his guests.  Which is news to us and news to a lot of people.'  The transcript of the interview makes clear that, contrary to Mitchell's claim, Obama answered in the personal and affirmative."

[Pofarmer]

Funny thing is, and I know ya'll know this, is what they're calling "Assault Weapons" are really just semi-automatic rifles, and generally, not particularly powerful ones at that. Actually, they ARE used to hunt, and they ARE generally a hoot to shoot. If they ban AR's, are they going to ban the Browning BAR's which are available in much more powerful calibers generally than the AR-15?

[Cecil Turner (on mini-pad)]

That's effectively how NICS currently operates, Cecil. The data dump was a non negotiable feature.

Yep, and IMHO the biggest current problems are with the quality of the data (esp. the inclusion of people with mental issues) and responsiveness of the system. Unfortunately, the "problems" the lefties seem to want to fix is identifying who owns guns and how to make sure the system is applied to every purchase. Oh, and adding paperwork and expense is a bonus, of course. Their recent efforts in CA are a great blueprint on how not to run such a system.

[narciso]

He does have an immelman, for a learning curve, five years ago, he went all out for amnesty, and he went broke,

They really resent a commoner like Sarah making any money don't they, of course 'the Architect'
will always be welcome at News Corp

[Frau Regierungsmacht]

OT - WaPo cannot resist smacking Palin again in passing:

The Palin story is, in the end, one of tremendous talent misused. Like any number of playground greats who never make the NBA or, when they do, wind up disappointing, Palin had as much natural ability as anyone this side of Barack Obama or John Edwards, but was unable to translate that talent into results once the bright lights came on. That she never made good on her remarkable natural talents is a sign of how the political process can chew up and spit out those who aren’t ready for it.

...Or elevate those who are not even ready or qualified in character or experience.

[Extraneus]

Man arrested after posting Facebook photo of baby & gun

A BB gun.

"It's really been blown out of proportion," said Gaines' father, Wilson Dykes.

Dykes claims that it was the baby's maternal mother who saw the photo and called the police.

Is that a new turn of phrase?

[narciso]

Orwell is busy doing capoiera, 'winning the future'

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--Their recent efforts in CA are a great blueprint on how not to run such a system.--

I have actually quit selling to people in CA, it's so hard to keep track of the regs, unless they use their own dealer and let him deal with the FFL-to-private-citizen mess.

[Captain Hate]

That she never made good on her remarkable natural talents is a sign of how the political process can chew up and spit out those who aren’t ready for it part of a campaign committed to winning.

[Frau Regierungsmacht]

Neil Snyder's American Thinker article "The Second Amendment is Not about Hunting" is short and clear enough even for Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray to understand. (I don't know about the feller confused about Guam.)
LUN

[DrJ]

Off.

[Frau Regierungsmacht]

CH - too bad we were not allowed to see if "Got no stinkin' records" Barry could have survived the Palin treatment.

[Extraneus]

Drudge:

Public university plans event to help female students achieve orgasm...

The description of the event, which is hosted by the university’s Office of Diversity and Equity's Women's Center, does not say whether there is an age requirement.

What the hell is that?

Has anyone calculated just how much money goes to Offices of Diversity these days? Surely it's more than "we" spend on soft drinks or potato chips or other things the left likes to cite when telling us we're spending too much on whatever they don't approve of.

Average Chief Diversity Officer Salaries

[Captain Hate]

Frau, I don't think we'll ever be allowed to have nice things again.

[narciso]

So, how will that objective be evaluated, ahem,

[Danube of Thought iPad]

"If they ban AR's, are they going to ban the Browning BAR's which are available in much more powerful calibers generally than the AR-15?"

Yes. I think (but am not sure) that Feinstein would ban all semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines.

[narciso]

So why exactly are we surprised, as the Ewok seems to indicate;

Hughes was the coordinator of online organizing for Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign on My.BarackObama.com, the campaign's online social networking website.[6] He was the subject of an April 2009 cover story in Fast Company magazine under the headline, "The Kid Who Made Obama President; How Facebook Cofounder Chris Hughes Unleashed Barack's Base - and Changed Politics and Marketing Forever."

[Janet]

(I don't know about the feller confused about Guam.)

Hahahaahaa! Oh my goodness.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--Neil Snyder's American Thinker article "The Second Amendment is Not about Hunting" is short and clear enough even for Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray to understand.--

I question that.

[Rob Crawford]

That's effectively how NICS currently operates, Cecil. The data dump was a non negotiable feature.

With these caveats:

o The dealers are required to hold onto the paperwork you fill out before a NICS check is done for life, and to send all the paper work to the BATFE when they die or leave the business. Also, the BATFE can inspect the paperwork at any time, without a warrant.

o The system running the checks is supposed to not keep a record. Supposed to. AFAIK its source code is as closely guarded as the formula for Coca Cola.

[Cecil Turner (on mini-pad)]

. . . it's so hard to keep track of the regs . . .

It's hard to believe that is not the objective (along with the resultant paper trails and opportunities for specious prosecution).

So, how will that objective be evaluated, ahem,

Well, I think "return engagement" is the preferred metric. (Or at least it was for me, back in the day.)

[Porchlight]

Probably meant "maternal grandmother."

McCain is infuriating but I think Palin probably made the decision on 1) loyalty and 2) knowledge that having a McCain shiv permanently installed in her back (as opposed to just the ones installed by his 2008 campaign staff) would be much more detrimental to her doing the Lord's work in the future than her campaigning for him would be.

[Rob Crawford]

Yep, and IMHO the biggest current problems are with the quality of the data (esp. the inclusion of people with mental issues)

Thanks, largely, to the ACLU.

You know, the group that protects only an abbreviated set of the Bill of Rights. I know they don't like the 2nd or the 10th...

[Rob Crawford]

Public university plans event to help female students achieve orgasm...

Weird. When I was in college that was called "Friday night".

[narciso]

Yes, it's supposed to be like 'the Machine' in Person of Interest, but I don't think there is a finch involved.

The Washington Post seems to prefer candidates, who 'tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies,'
although I think that's a Journolista who wrote
that Op Ed.

[sailor]

I am very, very disappointed in Rubio. I am afraid he is pandering and just trying to get votes. Very sad as I liked him before this.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--The dealers are required to hold onto the paperwork you fill out before a NICS check is done for life, and to send all the paper work to the BATFE when they die or leave the business. Also, the BATFE can inspect the paperwork at any time, without a warrant.--

That's not quite accurate.
An FFL must retain 4473s for 20 years after which they can be destroyed.
He must keep his bound book forever and turn it over to the ATF when he quits or retires, however all that is required to be entered in the bound book is the name and address OR name and 4473 assigned number on the disposition side of the ledger.
I always use the 4473 number. In that case it's pretty tough to track down a gun bought more than 20 years ago or its owner.

[Extraneus]

I am very, very disappointed in Rubio.

I'll try to keep an open mind, but I'm amazed that he didn't take the golden once-in-a-lifetime opportunities offered by the Clinton and Kerry hearings. He must think he didn't need his name in the news this year.

[Rob Crawford]

Thanks for the correct, IR.

But being allowed to keep the 4473 number makes me think they're not deleting the approved requests...

[Beasts of England]

This crowd (and I'm certainly guilty) can take a rather innocuous thread and end up on Friday nights with Rob. Impressive.

p.s. Tont won #75 today. Also impressive.

[narciso]

A miscalculating somewhat like the Sunni tribesmen invited them into the fold

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/01/28/by-teaming-with-al-qaida-the-tuaregs-invited-the-french-invasion-of-northern-mali/

[centralcal]

Well, sailor, there is always Ted Cruz:

“Profoundly unfair,” was the description Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz offered for the pathway to citizenship a bipartisan “gang of eight” senators unveiled Monday in their immigration reform proposal.

Full story is at Daily Caller.

[sailor]

Well, cc, I was really amazed that he was up there with that awful Mendendez and McCain! It all seemed so pandering by Rubio and certainly disappointed me. I guess there are no people in politics who will remain true and untainted by power and ambition, etc. Ted Cruz is great, but he is not seasoned enough to go for the bid for president in 2016. Sad.

[centralcal]

Looks like Senators Mike Lee and Jeff Sessions are not on board with the Gang of 8, either per Breitbart.